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  • Date: 07/10/98

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      Volume #0115                              July 10, 1998  
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    An endeavor to epitomize great stars in the recording field
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Subject:     Re: Caravelles
    Sent:        07/09/98 11:49 am
    Received:    07/10/98 12:14 am
    From:        WILLIAM STOS, wsXXXX@XXXt.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    >I've got The Caravelles "You don't have to be a baby to cry" 
    >CD on Marginal.
    
    How many songs does it have?  Is most of the material any good?
    
    >Does anyone know more info about The Caravelles.
    
    They were named after the famous French airliner. They got there 
    start singing at an office party in London. Lois later went on to 
    become Lois Lane and released a few singles. Andrea has kept the 
    Caravelles going with a series of replacements.
    
    Will
    
    
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    Subject:     Phil Spector and his Latin Influence
    Sent:        07/09/98 3:31 am
    Received:    07/09/98 7:40 am
    From:        R Teyes, RTeXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    Phil Spector and his Latin Influence
    
    I want to know if anyone has a copy of 2 songs Phil recorded with 
    Tony Orlando in NYC at Mirasound in the 60's and one by a latina 
    female vocalist, Carmin. I was present during one of the Orlando
    sessions at 57th Street and not present when he did Carmin. I think
    Phil did this as a "favor" to bongo great Candido who apparently 
    introduced them (Carmin). The song Carmin did was in English with
    a similarity to the Ronettes' "I Wonder". Incidentally, Carmin was 
    a classmate of the Crystal's Lala Brooks and also lived in 
    Brooklyn. I heard the song at Sterling when Phil was mixing and I 
    asked his then wife Annette who the female singer was...even then 
    I was used to Phil turning off the lights when the mood hit him as
    his former wife opened her eyes when he did this and she moved 
    towards the control booth. Does anybody out there remember these 
    sessions and were you present also? Does anyone remeber the 
    overweight but talented guitarist from the Bronx whom Phil revered
    and Phil would ask him, give me an A augmented, Ron and they would 
    play this chord over and over while everyone became impatient..and
    does anyone recall when Veronica Bennett almost passed out when 
    Phil asked her to hold the note to I think a part of "Everything 
    Under The Sun"?
    
    Thanks! Robert the Ronettes Hound (Next week more on the trial)
    
    
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    Subject:     Baby Talk
    Sent:        07/09/98 4:33 am
    Received:    07/09/98 7:40 am
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXXX@XXXcom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    
    >Love that record, and did you know that Robin Ward does the 
    >baby talk, and they sped her voice up to make her sound younger? 
    >OK, that's a pretty dumb joke; Doc, please forgive! Seriously, it 
    >is fairly obvious how the record was constructed, and it's very 
    >cleverly made. Anyone have any anecdotes about this recording?
    
    HAHAHAHAHA!!! : )
    
    Actually, the babies' names were Mike and Lulu!
    
    I have the pre-Boogie original, called "Baby Talk."  It has the 
    same baby noises, the same melody, but it is an earlier recording,
    totally instrumental, and has additional baby noises!
    
    No relation to the J&D record, btw.
    
    Doc
    
    
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    Subject:     Dino
    Sent:        07/09/98 3:25 am
    Received:    07/09/98 7:40 am
    From:        Marc Miller, marXXXX@XXXcom
    To:          spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    CC:          XXXX@XXXtrax.com, CLimXXXX@XXXom
    
    Marc W. and Chuck were wondering about the lack of Dean Martin's
    Reprise stuff.  Here's the deal:
    
    Many, if not all, of the early artists on Reprise had a deal 
    whereby their masters would revert to them (Frank, Dean, Sammy, 
    Kinks, etc.) and that's what's happened here. I've been told, 
    however, that the family has authorized some Reprise releases for 
    later this year. In the meantime,  there are 2 Bear Family boxes 
    of Capitol stuff to sustain us. BTW, my younger son (born May 14 
    of this year) is named Dino, after the man himself.
    
    Marc
    
    
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    Subject:     Dean's hits collections
    Sent:        07/09/98 7:29 am
    Received:    07/09/98 7:40 am
    From:        Ron Bierma, ELRONXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    
    In a message dated 7/8/98 6:15:22 PM, you wrote:
    
    <<Why one of his only two U.S. #1 singles would be left off the
    >various best-ofs and collections is beyond me. Anyone have a
    >lead(s)?>>
    
    Capitol recently released a Dean Martin's greatest hits CD that 
    combines the hits of Capitol & Reprise (#94961) that includes ELS.
    16 tracks for around $16.
    
    It also appears on a 2 CD set from Portugal called All the Hits 
    1948-1969, that should be fairly easy to find. It retails for 
    around $19-20 for the 2 CD set, & looks pretty good. (& being from
    Portugal, we all know it's legit!) and has 40 tracks. Ron
    
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    Subject:     Dean Martin
    Sent:        07/09/98 2:41 pm
    Received:    07/10/98 12:14 am
    From:        Scott Bauman, ScottBauXXXX@XXX.msn.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    Marc Wielage, XXXX@XXXtrax.com wrote:
    
    >The disc you're looking for is
    >
    >THE BEST OF DEAN MARTIN 1962-1968
    >on Charly CDGR-106
    >
    >It's a British pressing, but is relatively easy to find from any
    >decent mail-order dealer. This is the best-sounding collection of
    >all the major Reprise hits, including "Everybody Loves Somebody,"
    >"I Will," "Houston," and all those.
    >
    >I'm completely baffled as to why Warner/Reprise in the states
    >doesn't sell a similar collection over here.
    
    
    My understanding is that the rights to Dean Martin's Reprise 
    recordings reverted back to Martin (i.e., Reprise does not have 
    rights to them anymore). The Martin family initially licensed the 
    recordings to "Silver Eagle Records", but apparently were not happy
    with the results and became hesitant to grant additional licenses. 
    Now, they've apparently changed their minds somewhat and a 
    couple of new collections are being released that will contain 
    some of the Reprise hits.
    
    As far as the Dean Martin release on Charly is concerned, I don't 
    know the specifics of that particular release, but I can tell you 
    that when I represented major record companies in litigation 
    against companies that sold "oldies" without rights to the masters, 
    Charly was one of the companies I sued. In fact, I'm proud to 
    say that I obtained a judgment in federal court of over $6 million
    against Charly for their exploitation of the Chess Catalog.
    
    -- Scott
    
    
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    Subject:     Dino
    Sent:        07/09/98 12:53 pm
    Received:    07/10/98 12:14 am
    From:        Richard Globman, rglobXXXX@XXXneocomm.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    Chuck SED, referring to "Everybody Loves Somebody":
    
    >>What I long for is a copy of Dean's biggest hit of the '60s on CD.
    
    You mean it's not on the Capitol Collector's CD? I don't own it 
    and haven't seen a track list, but BMG has it in their catalogue.
    
    Next thing you know, you won't be able to find my favorite Dino 
    song, "Ain't That A Kick In The Head." (from the Oceans Eleven rat
    pack movie).
    
    DICKYG
    
    
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    Subject:     More Oldies
    Sent:        07/09/98 5:32 am
    Received:    07/09/98 7:40 am
    From:        David Feldman, feldXXXX@XXXderables.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    Will said in part:
    
    >What I don't understand is why don't some of the stations 
    >occasionally throw in a song that wasn't a hit. I once requested 
    >"Twistin' Postman" by the Marvelettes. The guy said, "I think you 
    >mean Please Mr. Postman."  I told him no, I was looking for the 
    >second single the girls had recorded. He didn't know what I was 
    >talking about. "What, you mean they recorded more than just 
    >Postman, Beechwood 4-5789, Playboy, and Don't Mess With Bill."  
    > 
    Sometimes I'm more irritated at myself than the radio stations, 
    because I forget songs that I love, even songs that I OWN that I 
    love. I bought the Marvelettes Deluxe double set and it was a 
    revelation hearing songs that I should have been on my turntable 
    much more often in the past 30 years. I had totally forgotten how 
    wonderful "Forever" and "When You're Young & in Love" (just two 
    examples) were.
    
    This set makes a good case for the Marvelettes being Motown's best
    girl group. Martha & the Vandellas are usually the favorites of 
    Motown fanatics, but I'd put them well below the Marvelettes and 
    Supremes. Their highs are stupendous, but there isn't the breadth 
    of singles. The Marvelettes, with two great lead singers, were the
    most versatile of the three groups, and shined whether singing R&B 
    (Please Mr. Postman) or gimmicky pop (I'm a sucker for "My Baby 
    Must be a Magician" and "Destination Anywhere"). I don't find 
    myself listening to the M&V set 10% as often as the Marvelettes.
    Dave Feldman
    
    CD of the Month: It's a tie!
       Belle & Sebastian: "If You're Feeling Sinister"
       Billy Bragg & Wilco: "Mermaid Ave."
    Word of the Week:  "blasphemous"
    Lyric of the Week: Woody Guthrie:
       "I said little girl, it's plain to see,
        there ain't nobody who can sing like me.
        She said it's hard for me to see,
        how one little boy got so ugly."
    Best Time Killer of the 90's:  Filling out the UPDATED gender survey at
      "http://www.imponderables.com"
    
    
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    Subject:     More Oldies
    Sent:        07/09/98 6:40 am
    Received:    07/09/98 7:40 am
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXXX@XXXcom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    An oldies analogy for stations than play the same songs over and 
    over.
    
    Our public radio station plays classical music all day and night. 
    I listen sometimes. But not all the time.
    
    On Mondays, the music is all request. Beethoven's 5th, William 
    Tell, Finlandia, Dance Macabre, The Blue Tango, Moonlight Sonata, 
    Sorcerers Apprentice, Bolero, Rhapsody in Blue -- it is great. I 
    tune in EVERY Monday as much as I can.
    
    Although high-brows may like ALL the music on this station, the 
    familiar request material of Mondays draws many more people. You 
    tune in, you hear a familiar fave, and you stay. On non-Mondays, 
    you tune in, hear opera or some obscure string quartet, and tune 
    back out.
    
    There is a lesson there for oldie fans.
    
    An oldies station that plays everything loses listeners in droves.
    Only hard-core fans stay tuned. It has been proven over and over. 
    But an oldies station that sticks to the familiar songs gets more 
    and more listeners.
    
    Sorry, but it's a fact of life!
    
    Doc (a weekend oldies DJ for 20 years)
    
    
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    Subject:     oldies radio (reprise)
    Sent:        07/09/98 12:20 pm
    Received:    07/10/98 12:14 am
    From:        Mark Landwehr, mslXXXX@XXXbs.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    >It is because people like you
    >and your program director get airbrushed out of the corporate
    >picture that many oldies get cut in favor of listener-tested
    >pre-fabro Burger King programming. To me it's a matter of trying
    >to remain true to your ideals and convictions while flipping
    >patties under Corporate Policy.
    >
    In today's radio world, there is no place for the true oldies 
    officianado of the 50s and 60s...not unless you can blindly play 
    the same pap over & over and still sound enthusiastic on-air. In 
    other words, be a hypocrite. Try to sneak in "La-Do Da-Da" or "How
    Do You Catch a Girl" (among others) and you're histoire. You're a 
    corporate employee, play the role. As Phil Spector's little 
    top-hatted character said,
    
    Conform to norm society
    Won't stand for impropriety
    In the extreme of which you dream
    You must always join the team.
    
    >Today's music (as today's culture) is based on greed and greed
    >alone.
    >
    Bingo!!! Claudia, you have nailed it! And there isn't a damn thing
    we can do about it. Play your oldies at home, record them, buy a Mr. 
    Microphone and play deejay...But don't expect anything like that
    to happen on the airwaves. Avoid commercial radio..it's all a scam 
    and a sham. I know...I went thru the changes & it forced me out of
    a profession that I loved and was very comfortable with for over 18
    years.
    
    >At the end of the day, though,
    >it's a double edged sword. Ironically, the cultural acknowledgment,
    >commercial exploitation and dumbing down of Golden era popular music
    >give credibility to our rather more esoteric interest in same. Some
    >cats even make a living at it.
    >
    Oh, great. So we can puff our chests out and strut around thinking
    that we know more about this stuff than the average human being...
    Fine, but with all due respect, that still won't change oldies 
    radio. We are a non-entity in their eyes...Puff your chest out 
    over THAT, my friend!!! If your idea of fun is trying to explain 
    to a "pimple voice" who Norma Tanega is, then you might as well 
    talk to a pile of bricks, cuz it won't change what he/she HAS to 
    do (ie. follow the playlist and earn a paycheck). The days of 
    "creative" programming are over, people...Remember it, but let it 
    rest in peace.
    
    Mark Landwehr
    
    
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    Subject:     Buddy Randell and the Knickerbockers
    Sent:        07/09/98 6:54 am
    Received:    07/09/98 7:40 am
    From:        CLAUDIA CUNNINGHAM, TPXXXX@XXX.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
    
    Does anyone remember Johnny Charles' old East Coast band, the 
    Knickerbockers? They were a great band in the mid 60s with their 
    hits, "Lies" and "All I Need is You". Another East Coast band was 
    the Myddle Class with their hit, "Don't Let Me Sleep Too Long"....
    Has anyone heard about any members of these two really stellar 
    groups?
    
    
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