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  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 07/09/98

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          Volume #0114                    July 9, 1998      
     Unbreakable Long Playing Monophonic Microgroove Record
    Subject:     Re: Everybody Loves Dean Martin
    Sent:        07/08/98 10:39 am
    Received:    07/09/98 1:01 am
    From:        Marc Wielage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Chuck Limmer <CLimXXXX@XXXom> commented on the Spectropop list:
    >What I long for is a copy of Dean's biggest hit of the '60s on CD.
    >Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but the Martin comps I've seen
    >recently seem to have everything *but* "Everybody Loves Somebody."
    >Why one of his only two U.S. #1 singles would be left off the
    >various best-ofs and collections is beyond me. Anyone have a
    The disc you're looking for is
    on Charly CDGR-106
    It's a British pressing, but is relatively easy to find from any 
    decent mail-order dealer. This is the best-sounding collection of 
    all the major Reprise hits, including "Everybody Loves Somebody," 
    "I Will," "Houston," and all those.
    I'm completely baffled as to why Warner/Reprise in the states 
    doesn't sell a similar collection over here.
    -= Marc Wielage      |   "The computerized authority     =-
    -= MusicTrax, Ltd.   |       on rock, pop, & soul."      =-
    -= Chatsworth, CA    |         =-
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    Subject:     The Caravelles
    Sent:        07/08/98 6:06 pm
    Received:    07/09/98 1:01 am
    From:        Keiko Kondo,
    To:          Spectropop List, wrote:
    >>Winter's Here
    >This song is amazing. I swear I have heard a different version, 
    >but I can't find it by another artist anywhere. This is driving 
    >me nuts. Anyone know if this was covered by another artist?
    Hi Jamie
    I've got The Caravelles "You don't have to be a baby to cry" CD on
    Marginal. On that CD is a song "You are here" which is the same as 
    WINTER'S HERE. Maybe you heard that version. They covered Patience
    & Prudence songs too. Their voices are wonderful. I love their 
    whispered harmonious sound. So I read the not-so-genius liner note, 
    and I knew that The Caravelles were Two English girls nineteen 
    year old Lois & seventeen year old Andrea and more. But I don't 
    know who produced them, who played on their records, etc. Does 
    anyone know more info about The Caravelles.
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    Subject:     Re: Oldies Radio
    Sent:        07/08/98 3:43 am
    Received:    07/08/98 8:08 am
    From:        WILLIAM STOS,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    What I don't understand is why don't some of the stations 
    occasionally throw in a song that wasn't a hit. I once requested 
    "Twistin' Postman" by the Marvelettes. The guy said, "I think you 
    mean Please Mr. Postman."  I told him no, I was looking for the 
    second single the girls had recorded. He didn't know what I was 
    talking about. "What, you mean they recorded more than just 
    Postman, Beechwood 4-5789, Playboy, and Don't Mess With Bill."  
    Aren't people getting a little tired of hearing these songs. 
    They're great and all, but why not see if listeners would like 
    some diversity. Most people don't consciously listen to the music 
    anyway. It's just background noise in some shops. I say let's get 
    the Orchids' Oo-Chang-A-Lang on there. The Crystals Da Doo Ron Ron
    might have a run for its money.
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    Subject:     Oldies Radio
    Sent:        07/08/98 12:25 pm
    Received:    07/09/98 1:01 am
    From:        Javed Jafri,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I have been listening to some of the oldies stations on the net 
    and there are still a few independent minded station in major 
    markets. Two of the best are WGRR in Cincinnati and WMJI in 
    Cleveland. These stations play the usual staples but also throw in
    the odd regional hit and songs that made the lower rungs of the 
    national charts. For example, I have heard "Open Up Your Door" by 
    Richard & The Young Lions on WGRR. This song only made it to the 
    90's on Billboard in 1966. The only problem with this station is 
    that their RealAudio netcast is very unreliable. WMJI broadcasts 
    via a software called Audioactive which I think has better 
    fidelity than RA. It sounds good and the song selection is 
    relatively eclectic covering the period from the 50's to the mid 
    As mentioned on a previous post is probably the best bet
    to hear mostly obscure oldies and their sound quality is also very 
    good. There are no DJ's though and I miss that, although they have
    a continuous on-line playlist.
    Regarding 1050 CHUM in Toronto. Yes their selection of Canadian 
    hits by Bobby Curtola, The Five Man Electrical Band and The Guess 
    Who can get tiresome for us Canadians. The other music they play 
    is about the same as most American stations, meaning mostly top 
    ten hits. They used to have a great morning show for about 8 years
    with really fun and challenging music trivia contests and a witty 
    host. They canned the whole morning team, however, for lack of 
    ratings. Proving once again that creativity and good ratings do 
    not go hand in hand.
    The Canadian content regulations do make for some interesting 
    listening. Even songs written by Canadians qualify and are used to
    fill the quota. The version of "Woodstock" by Matthew's Southern 
    Comfort gets a lot of airplay here simply because it was written 
    by Joni Mitchell. MSC's version of "Tell Me Why" is also played 
    because it was written by Neil Young. Another example of this is 
    the song "So Long Marianne" by Brian Hyland which I do not believe
    made the American charts at all but it still gets played here 
    because it was written by Leonard Cohen.
    Americans listening to 1050 CHUM will probably be fascinated by 
    selections played by the likes of The Ugly Ducklings, The Mandala,
    The Stitch In Tyme, Fludd and Thundermug, to name a few. These were
    acts that had top ten hits here in Canada but fizzled in the States.
    Currently the best show on 1050 CHUM is "Sunday Morning Oldies" 
    (9 am to 12) featuring a DJ that dates back to the 60's with the 
    station. This program features lesser known material.
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    Subject:     Re: Oldies radio
    Sent:        07/08/98 10:52 am
    Received:    07/09/98 1:01 am
    From:        Marc Wielage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Alan Haber <> commented on the Spectropop List,
    >Same goes for The Temps. "Ask The Lonely" and "Keeper of The
    >Castle." The former reached #24 on Billboard; the latter hit
    >number 10, but probably didn't get played very often because it
    >peaked at #10 in November of 1972, the year after it first charted.
    Alan, I agree with all of your message about the nature of 
    selecting "safe oldies" for oldies radio stations except this one.
    First, as far as I know, the Tops left Motown in mid-1972 and 
    their KEEPER OF THE CASTLE album on Dunhill came out about four 
    months later, and the single did not come out a year earlier in 
    1971 (when they were still with Motown). To my knowledge, the 
    single debuted in November of 1972, both on the R&B and Pop charts, 
    and then peaked in mid-January of 1973. If you have a date 
    before November of 1972 when the song may have charted lower, I'd 
    like to know what it is.
    Secondly, I think the real problem is a subtle kind of racism that
    affects the oldies playlists. Most oldies playlists cut off around 
    1973 (with very few exceptions), and because "Keeper of the Castle" 
    is kind of on the cusp, I think the programming staffs opt to go
    with the Tops' more-memorable 1960s hits -- despite the fact that 
    "Keeper" is their fifth-biggest Pop hit overall.
    "Keeper" is a regular fixture on the _soul_ oldies stations, which
    are beginning to pop up in many urban areas around the country. LA 
    finally got a full-time 1960s-1970s soul oldies station about six 
    months ago, and it's a pleasure hearing at least a few songs not 
    already played to death by the "regular" oldies stations.
    I share your enthusiasm for the future of "narrowcasted" oldies 
    stations actually intended for oldies fans. But even then, a 4000-
    song playlist doesn't even begin to scratch the surface -- given 
    that there were over 5200 songs that made the Top 40 Pop charts 
    just between 1955 and 1973. When you stir in the years before that, 
    plus significant R&B hits and album tracks, let alone bona fide 
    obscurities and B-sides, the number goes up astronomically.
    -= Marc Wielage      |   "The computerized authority     =-
    -= MusicTrax, Ltd.   |       on rock, pop, & soul."      =-
    -= Chatsworth, CA    |         =-
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    Subject:     Oldies radio
    Sent:        07/08/98 7:06 pm
    Received:    07/09/98 1:01 am
    From:        Paul Urbahns, PaulurbXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    In a message dated 98-07-07 14:06:43 EDT, you write:
    << Never heard of this Carl Perkins fellow. Or this Gene Vincent 
    fellow. Heard someone called Buddy Holly once, but never again. 
    I'm truly disgusted by oldies radio. RB >>
    Some artists get no play at all, look at old surveys from the 
    beatle era and you will see, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Brenda 
    Lee, Connie Francis, Herb Alpert & Tijuana Brass well the list 
    could go on. Hardly ever are they on oldies radio.
    Another thing that gripes me is they play so many songs by other 
    artists. I wish someone would try something different, for example
    the average record had a chart life of three months. So if a song 
    (example: Moonshadow by Cat Stevens was popular in May 1971) was 
    popular in May, why not just play it during the April, May, June
    months and no during the rest of the year. It would allow the 
    listeners a break from the constant repetition and allow them a 
    chance to add a good song like Migel Rios, A Song Of Joy which 
    never gets played. An oldies station will play an oldie almost 
    every day for two or three years. The songs did not get that much 
    play when they were hits!
    Paul URbahns
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    Subject:     Re: lost oldies [theirs and mine]
    Sent:        07/08/98 3:27 am
    Received:    07/08/98 8:08 am
    From:        Jeffrey Thames, KingoGrXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    In a message dated 98-07-07 14:06:43 EDT, ron wrote:
    << I enjoy it when they have an "Oldies you don't hear on the 
     radio anymore" weekend. Occasionally some of those will stick 
     around a few weeks. >>
    our oldies conglomerate in Houston (klde 94.5) had a "lost oldies"
    weekend to celebrate the 4th...whatta joke...everything they 
    claimed to be a "lost oldie" was just something they didn't play 
    every 3 hours...although my wife heard the walker brothers' "make 
    it easy on yourself"  last Friday...I'll give 'em that...
    jack blanchard and misty morgan's "tennessee birdwalk" was 
    mentioned recently...does anyone know where i could find the 
    *original* version on disc? and could somebody tell me the name and
    catalog # for the time-life disc with rolf harris' "tie me kangaroo
    down, sport" and the serendipity singers' "beans in my ears"?? 
    gaping holes in my library that must be filled...
    p.s.:  lost oldies from every decade have a home on houston 
    radio...come see!
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    Subject:     Radio, Radio
    Sent:        07/08/98 4:06 am
    Received:    07/09/98 1:01 am
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Mark Landwehr had some interesting comments, I'd like to throw in 
    a few additional ideas.
    >I was chewed out for playing "Baby Sittin' Boogie" by our consultant. 
    OK, you're eternally redeemed. :-)
    Love that record, and did you know that Robin Ward does the 
    baby talk, and they sped her voice up to make her sound younger? 
    OK, that's a pretty dumb joke; Doc, please forgive! Seriously, it 
    is fairly obvious how the record was constructed, and it's very 
    cleverly made. Anyone have any anecdotes about this recording?
    >In the mid-70s, I was a deejay at an oldies station in Atlanta, GA
    >(now that's when oldies were oldies - today, Peter Frampton is an 
    >"oldie")...Our program director was a record collector, and we used
    >15,000 of his platters as our playlist!!! We played virtually 
    >everything from 1954 to 1968, and we were all quite knowledgeable
    See, that's exactly the area you have an edge on. If one has that 
    edge, one has to slice to advantage. It is because people like you
    and your program director get airbrushed out of the corporate 
    picture that many oldies get cut in favor of listener-tested 
    pre-fabro Burger King programming. To me it's a matter of trying 
    to remain true to your ideals and convictions while flipping 
    patties under Corporate Policy. 
    >But, the station didn't make $$$, was sold, and that was
    >that...Eventually, owners became increasingly paranoid and greedy,
    >playlists tightened, on-air patter became more restricted, and the 
    >TRUE oldies station eventually faded away to what you are 
    >complaining about today. It will never return, because everyone 
    >wants to play it "safe" now...The name of the game today is MONEY,
    >like it or not.
    I completely empathize with you, and as you hint at, it's
    the commercialization of American Graffiti that makes Happy 
    Birthday Sweet Sixteen a so-called "evergreen," while other more 
    fundamental records are ignored. At the end of the day, though, 
    it's a double edged sword. Ironically, the cultural acknowledgment, 
    commercial exploitation and dumbing down of Golden era popular music 
    give credibility to our rather more esoteric interest in same. Some 
    cats even make a living at it.
    Anyway, this is an interesting thread.
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    Subject:     Goldie Moldy Oldies
    Sent:        07/08/98 8:50 am
    Received:    07/09/98 1:01 am
    From:        CLAUDIA CUNNINGHAM,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Thanks for so much feedback from my comments on today's "oldie" 
    stations. So, what are we to do? Storm the Bastille? Have public 
    lynching of all station managers and d.j.s? A nice tar and 
    feathering would be nice, or perhaps get 'em all fitted with 
    cement sneakers and take 'em for a nice boat ride!
    Gone are the days of Casey Kasem and Murray the K and all those 
    greats. Instead we are inflicted with the presence of a gen-u-ine 
    grad-u-ate of the local "broadcasting" school, where anyone, 
    including an orangutan, can get a diploma for $5.50. In their 
    squeaky voices they chirp for the1,568,000,088th time, "And now, 
    here are the Mamas and the Papas singing "California Dreamin'". 
    Lock and load!!
    Today's music (as today's culture) is based on greed and greed 
    alone. In the 50's and 60's it was so different. People played 
    music for the love of it ... good music spanned all generations 
    and the Top 40 had room for all: Dean Martin to Moms Mabley - from
    Walter Brennen singing "Old Rivers" to Chubby Checker singing "The 
    Madison". I guess the answer is tape your records and throw the 
    radio out the window! There is a place in Albany, New York called 
    Blue Note Record Shop on Central Avenue which still sells those 
    great 45's from yesteryear. I don't know what I would do without it. 
    And they will mail you records to anywhere in the world! Thank 
    heavens for it. This is no plug, but if anyone is interested, this
    is one of the last places that sell new "old" 45s. What a 
    collection the guy has!
    You can't fight City Hall and the pimply faced geeks which run the
    radio stations. They just don't get it. There was a time I never 
    trusted anyone over 30 and now I won't speak to anyone under 40. 
    Especially station managers! Go figure!
    The culture is so different now, it is mind bending. When someone 
    asks me what it was like to be a kid of the 50's and a teen of the
    60's I just tell 'em that "the world threw a 20 year party which 
    was the best ever given and will never be given again...and you 
    weren't invited!"
    So, fellow music lovers of the 50's and 60's, get out your old 
    Brenda Lee records and dust off your Buddy Holly's, too. Grab your
    dancing shoes and let's go! And for crying out loud, turn off that
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