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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Mark Wirtz questions
From: Phil Chapman
2. RE: I Can Hear Music
From: Phil Chapman
3. RE: labels
From: Ken Silverwood
4. Re: favourite labels
From: Peter Lerner
5. Re: The Four Cal-quettes
From: Ian Slater
6. Amazon.com/co.uk
From: Ian May
7. Joey Brooks
From: Phil Chapman
8. Re: Castle Pulse CD Box Set
From: mick patrick
9. Four Cal-Quettes Redux
From: Jimmy Crescitelli
10. Canterbury
From: Stewart Mason
11. Re: I Can Hear Music
From: Gary Spector
12. RE: Four Cal-Quettes
From: Ken Silverwood
13. Sue Glover
From: Phil Chapman
14. Bernadette Peters
From: Peter Lerner
15. Battle Of San Onofre
From: Don Charles
16. PEANUT VENDOR
From: mick patrick
17. Re: I Can Hear Music
From: james botticelli
18. Marketts - A Touch Of Velvet - A Sting Of Brass
From: Mike Edwards
19. Golden Wonder Boy
From: Ian Chapman
20. Parade
From: Bill Reed
21. Re: PEANUT VENDOR
From: Mark Wirtz
22. Martin's acetates
From: Ian Chapman
23. Re: Shy Boy Compression
From: Mark Wirtz
24. Re: I Can Hear Music
From: Nick Archer
25. Good ol' Canterbury
From: Bob Rashkow
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:59:29 +0100
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: Mark Wirtz questions
Mark Wirtz:
> Ray Singer was a relative of Ember Boss Jeff Kruger. I produced
> four tracks with Ray for Jeff, all American songs....
I only know "I'm The Richest Man Alive"/"Pretty Little Ramblin' Rose"
What were the other two? A database search shows that Mel Carter
recorded a song called "Richest Man Alive", is this the same tune?
> Lansdowne Studios. I never recorded there again afterwards, or
> any other studio that used Scully multi track tape machines,
> because I hated the in-built auto compressors.
Didn't Joe Meek start out here? I remember the Scully, large and
hot enough to make a cooked breakfast. Never knew it had in-built
compressors. However, Mark, if I am playing examples of extreme
compression as used in the sixties, one of the examples I use is
Kippington Lodge's "Shy Boy" - you virtually turned that inside out,
or did that happen on the cut? At least it sounded the same on the
radio as it did on the 45:-)
Phil
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:34:24 +0100
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: RE: I Can Hear Music
Mark Wirtz:
> Oh boy, Margo would be soooo hurt if she read this. No, with
> all due respect to good old Chas, he could never pull off a vocal
> with that much soul. It was Margo on lead and the Breakaways on
> background. And I never recorded more than one version of this.
Full testament to Margo & the girls' versatility, and the power of
production suggestion: it appears to be modeled on the Beach Boys'
version - even in the same key! It makes that vocal even more
incredible as far as I am concerned.
I am interested that this track is generally assumed to be a
Beach Boys' song. Nearly all Spectropoppers know this is a
Ronettes (Spector/Greenwich/Barry) original (we do, don't we??).
But, presumably because the Philles released version was produced
by Jeff Barry, it has not been included on any of the Spector/Ronettes
compilations, which is a real pity, as it is one of their best.
There's no doubt that Jeff & Ellie understood Ronnie's vocal style.
Has anyone ever heard the rumoured unreleased Spector produced
version? (Thanks for the reminder, Mick).
DJ Jimmy B:
> There is an "I Can Hear Music" soundalike on The Parade's (only?)
> LP
Thanks, I have a fetish for covers, soundalikes and non-English
language versions. Now where can it be found?
Phil
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:56:12 +0100
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: RE: labels
Being English we didn't have a great selection of labels to
drool over. My favourites were London American (silver&black )
plus great sleeve, Top Rank (well at least it was different )
Sue, Red Bird, Pye Int., actually the sleeves were more colourful.
Anyone for HMV harlequin?
Ken on the West Coast
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:52:41 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: favourite labels
No question. UK Liberty label with blue sleeve.
Peter
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:21:05 +0100
From: Ian Slater
Subject: Re: The Four Cal-quettes
Re: the recent discussions on this group, yes, I think their
records are rather wimpish , and, er..., yes I've got them all
too.... I seem to recall reading somewhere that they were a
quartet (not too hard that bit) of Californian blondes. Easy to
believe but I'm not sure where I read it - I'm sure we'd all
like to know more. How about "Pixie sound" rather than "wimpish"
or "twee" for 'that' kind of girl group record? More positive
ring to it... I like them too. Thanks to David Young for the name.
Just been playing them - I like "Starbright". A previous owner
has scribbled in big letters on the sleeve. I thought it said
"No. 1". Alas, on closer inspection, it says "No!".....
Ian Slater
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:22:07 +0100
From: Ian May
Subject: Amazon.com/co.uk
Mike Edwards:
> I would recommend anyone in the US ordering from
> http://www.amazon.co.uk. There's a great selection of CDs over
> there and the transaction is as easy as it is when buying from
> http://www.amazon.com
Actually I'm the opposite! I more often use amazon.com as they
are often considerably cheaper. I certainly use them for DVDs as
the choice is much larger. The only downside is the wait.
Ian May
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:59:53 +0100
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Joey Brooks
> I've found out recently that Joe Brooks, who penned "You Light
> Up My Life", a classic 70s smash, may also be responsible for the
> brilliant and stirring (IMHO) "My Ship Is Coming In".
Is this the same Joey Brooks (And The Baroque Folk) that co-wrote
& recorded "Nobody Waved Goodbye", a haunting folk-rock ballad from
1966?
Phil
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:28:51 +0100 (BST)
From: mick patrick
Subject: Re: Castle Pulse CD Box Set
Original message from: Mike Edwards;
> (the Avons') wonderful version of Ronnie & the Daytona's "Be
> Good To Your Baby", can be found on the brand new 3CD box set
> "Chapel Of Love - And Other Great Girl Group Gems" (Castle/Pulse
> PBXCD 353). This set looks to be terrific value (even if it does
> mean that "Leader Of The Pack" will now appear in our CD
> collections for the 6th time!). What's the quality like? Are they
> all original recordings?
Dear Spectropop,
'Tis I, Boris, Mick's lackey. The old streak of p%$s is now
refusing to come out of the toilet. He's just dictated the
following message with strict instructions that I email it
immediately:
"For all I care, "Leader Of The Pack" might be available on
one hundred and six other CDs but the box set referred to by
Mr Edwards sees the first ever UK release of the stereo version
of this track. As for the other 59 tracks, YES, they are all
'the original recordings by the original artists', just like it
says on the front of the box. And now make me some toast".
Oh, I don't think he meant me to type that last bit.
Even I know, and I am nought but a humble Russian manservant,
that Mr Patrick would rather eat dirt than allow a "re-recording"
anywhere near a CD which carries his name in the miniscule print.
What's that burning? Gotta run.
Yours faithfully,
Boris
(Valet to Mr Michael Patrick)
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:19:43 EDT
From: Jimmy Crescitelli
Subject: Four Cal-Quettes Redux
Hi! Thanks for the neat-o info on the Four Cal-Quettes, guys!
(We may some day come across something along these lines though:
'the group began with four, but Kathy was dropped because she
was too f(l)at for the group.") But yes... with lines like
"It's sad but true that our love is gone/But still the memories
shall linger on", I can't help but shed a misty tear or two.
I also did a limited search... here's what I found:
Meet Me At Disneyland
Airdate: June 9, 1962
Episode name: "Main Street U.S.A."
Cast: Walt Disney, Johnny Jacobs, Fred MacMurray, June Haver,
The Firehouse Five, Ward Kimball, The Disneyland Band, Jimmy McHugh,
Betty Taylor, Gene Jackson, Edward Graves,
The Dapper Dans: Ron Browne (baritone), Doug Earl (lead),
Jim Schamp (tenor), Gene Morford (bass),
The Four Cal-Quettes: (Mary Ann Lucas, Muffy Cohen, Judy Hersh,
Carol McConkey).
Ad from TV Guide, June 9, 1962, page A-16.
This was a "limited" series broadcast live directly from Disneyland each
week. It was designed to boost attendance during the summer weeknights.
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:36:32 -0400
From: Stewart Mason
Subject: Canterbury
Bob Rashkow writes:
>Re: Labels!! Ditto what Luis Suarez said (who recorded on Pink
>Elephant, Luis??!!) & will gladly add that I have a special fondness
>for the DIAMOND and FERNWOOD labels, TEAM (an offshoot of SUPER K)
>the GONE label and for all you psychedelia/garage psyke buffs out
>there: good old CANTERBURY!!!! To name only a smattering.
Who was on Canterbury besides the Yellow Balloon, not that that isn't
inducement enough?
Sad related news: Ruth Handler, the mother of Canterbury Records head Ken
Handler (and creator of the Barbie doll), died Saturday.
S
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:55:46 -0600
From: Gary Spector
Subject: Re: I Can Hear Music
Phil Chapman:
> Nearly all Spectropoppers know this is a
> Ronettes (Spector/Greenwich/Barry) original
Hello,
Actually there are a few versions of "I can Hear Music"
If I am not mistaken, Ms Brocolli (Not sure of first name or
spelling of last) sang on a Beach Boy CD.
As for another version and the only one I really like was the
one I think had either the Crystals or the Ronettes.
I found a studio recording in of all places, a hallway closet.
I put it on my turntable and it became my all time favorite.
I had asked my father if he ever released it and he just told me
that he sold it to the Beach Boys.
The Beach Boys did do a very good job with the song when they had
Ms Brocolli sing it.
From the Keyboard of:
Gary Spector
Not just another P.S. Fan
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:13:46 +0100
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: RE: Four Cal-Quettes
I wonder if "I'll Never Come Back (Silly Boy)" was an answer
record to The Lettermen's "Come Back Silly Girl" from the same
year, same label??
West Coast Ken
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:44:37 +0100
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Sue Glover
Ian Chapman:
> And would I be correct in thinking another Spectropopper once
> recorded Sue - I wonder what the chances are of persuading him
> to share any recollections he may have. THIS MEANS YOU PHIL!
Well, as I'm being pressed.....
Yes, Sue, the quieter of the two, was the demo singer on a chirpy
little pop tune I co-wrote in the early 70s. She kinda liked the
song, so we finished it with her singing lead, and it sneaked out
on DJM. Did OK in Germany (if the statements were anything to go by).
In 1976, I recorded an album with her, "Solo" (the Sandy Denny title
song), produced by her husband John Glover (manager of Free, Back
Street Crawler) - although I've only just noticed it doesn't have
my name anywhere! There's a Joe Brown (he was fun) tune on the album,
and two songs co-written by Sue Glover & Sunny Leslie. Backing vocals
by The Chanter Sisters - don't they have a Spectropop-type single
lurking in the vaults somewhere?
Sue later worked in A&R at Island Records for a short while.
Phil
PS Ian, do you have the 1970 Sue & Sunny album (of the same name)?
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:42:40 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Bernadette Peters
Just in passing, Mick Patrick let the name of Bernadette Peters
drop a couple of weeks or so ago, and suggested that someone
might like to pick her up and run with her.
Where do you start? Maybe with her early girly 45s on ABC Paramount
way back in the 60s, notably "We'll Start The party Again" (10669)
written and produced by Art Resnick and Kenny Young (Kenny's been
to Spectropop-land before), and then the folk-rockier "And the Trouble
With Me Is You" (10726) arranged by Al Gorgoni, long time cohort of
Chip Taylor and the wonderful Evie Sands.
Then a stint on Columbia still with Resnick resonance and John Simon
production.
Then, for those of us not in the USA, I guess very little until her
two brilliant MCA albums of 1980/81; first the eponymous
Bernadette Peters, with a sexy Vargas painting of the lady on the front
cover, and some wonderful songs within - show tunes and much good taste
60s stuff, notably "Gee Whiz" (Carla Thomas' song) and "Chico's Girl",
a Mann-Weil epic.
This was eclipsed, if possible, by next year's follow-up' Now Playing',
with an equally sexy Vargas sleeve and some brilliant songs. "Dedicated
To The One I Love" (Ellie Greenwich on back-up vocals), Elvis'
Leiber-Stoller masterpiece "Don't" (best ever version in my book),
"Tears On My Pillow" (nearly as good as Carol and the Memories) and a
spine-tingling reading of Jackie DeShannon's "Carrying A Torch", with
the sublime Toni Wine singing back-ups.
During this period, you out there in the States know of course that
BP was starring in movies and musicals, and my great tape-swapping
friend J D Doyle sent me a marvellous C90 of her soundtracks from
'Song and Dance', 'Dames At Sea', Mack and Mabel and others.
I'd like to know more about Bernadette. Is she still recording?
What have I missed?
Peter
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:45:41 +0000
From: Don Charles
Subject: Battle Of San Onofre
Rhino's credits for this song are suspect. I've checked the
ASCAP database, and the title is not listed as being a
Jerry Styner composition. Annette's original Buena Vista release
credits the song to "Crawford" and "Zino."
Could this be (ex-Mouseketeer)Johnny Crawford?
Don Charles
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:53:23 +0100 (BST)
From: mick patrick
Subject: PEANUT VENDOR
Hi,
Ahh, PEANUT, one of my favourite Brit Girls. Did y'all might
know that a lot of her recordings are available on legit CDs?
I thought not. Here's a partial list, in no particular order:
I DIDN'T LOVE HIM ANYWAY (a Columbia 45 in 1967) is
contained on the CD AM I DREAMING (RPM 137).
HOME OF THE BRAVE (a Pye 45 in 1965) is contained on
the CD HERE COME THE GIRLS, vol 8 (Sequel NEMCD 845).
I'M WAITING FOR THE DAY (a Columbia 45 in 1966) is
contained on the double CD THE FANTASTIC STORY
OF MARK WIRTZ AND THE TEENAGE OPERA (RPM 503).
I WANNA HEAR IT AGAIN (a Pye 45 in 1965) is
contained on the double CD GIRLS DON'T COME
(Sequel NEECD 327).
COME TOMORROW (a Columbia 45 in 1967) is contained on
the CD BACKCOMB 'N' BEAT (RPM 233).
I'M NOT SAD (a Pye 45 in 1965) is contained on the CD
FROM CALYPSO TO DISCO - THE ROOTS OF BLACK BRITAIN
(Sequel NEMCD 974)
And my absolute favourite track by the girl who eventually
became more famous under her real name KATY KISSOON, the
delightfully jangly THANK GOODNESS FOR THE RAIN (a Pye 45
in 1965) is contained on the CD YOU CAN BE WRONG ABOUT
BOYS (Sequel NEXCD 238).
WARNING! THESE PRODUCTS CONTAIN PEANUT :-)
MICK PATRICK
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:09:59 -0400
From: james botticelli
Subject: Re: I Can Hear Music
Phil Chapman wrote:
> DJ Jimmy B:
>> There is an "I Can Hear Music" soundalike on The Parade's (only?)
>> LP
>
> Thanks, I have a fetish for covers, soundalikes and non-English
> language versions. Now where can it be found?
http://www.othermusic.com
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:25:59 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Marketts - A Touch Of Velvet - A Sting Of Brass
I just played this 45 to musica.
(the A side was the Theme from "The Avengers"). I'd be interested
in knowing what Mark Wirtz thinks of this version. They certainly
weren't shy in using the brass section.
Saw a Paul Anka song in musica. Thanks to whoever uploaded that
one. Very nice quality - is a CD version available?
Thanks again, Mike Edwards
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:24:34 +0100
From: Ian Chapman
Subject: Golden Wonder Boy
Martin wrote of his acetates:
> "Golden Wonder Boy" by two unidentified males.
> I can't remember if the best ears in the business (not overly large,
> but very perceptive) have identified the singers, more likely to be
> the writers. But it is a good tune, and, with the right producer,
> could have been great. Both acetates (no artist credited on either)
> will be played to musica.
Thanks Martin. Yes we did identify the singer - cast your mind back,
I know it's a long time ago...:-) You're right about it being the
writers - it's a Cook/Greenaway tune and that's Roger Cook singing out
in front. I later got confirmation of this when I was in touch with the
Cook/Greenaway fan club - they had never heard of this song before and
asked Roger Greenaway about it, and he remembered it.
Some UK Spectropoppers might recall that in the 60s, Golden Wonder Crisps
(that's chips to our US readers!) briefly featured on their TV ads a young
super-hero-type kid called Golden Wonder Boy. The song was made for the ad
campaign, but I don't know if it was ever used. It's actually intended for
a girl to sing, and that's how Roger sings the lyrics. I agree - it's a
good song, a kinda beaty girl-group blend and I've often wondered whether
a more produced female version was ever cut - maybe as a freebie giveaway
in return for ten empty cheese & onion packets?
Ian
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:27:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Reed
Subject: Parade
James Botticelli:
> There is an "I Can Hear Music" soundalike on The
> Parade's (only?) LP
A&M SP 4127 . As I noted in my Nick DeCaro (who arr.
most of the album for Jerry Riopelle) discography that
appeared in the April 2001 issue of the Japanese
publication "Record Collectors'": "This 1967 album,
though given a catalogue number, was never isssued
until 1997 in Japan as A&M POCM 2014."
As for which track is the ICHM soundalike, though I
have over 200 albums that DeCaro arranged, produced,
or appeared on, this is not one of them. But it is a
serious gap.
Until very recently my DeCaro collection was even
bereft of those those two neo-Spectorian classics,
Home of the Brave and All Strung Out.
BTW part two of my continuing series of overviews of
DeCaro's career will appear this summer in Japan,
along with an updated discography, which now hovers at
slightly over the 300 mark.
Bill Reed
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:03:42 EDT
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: PEANUT VENDOR
Mick, since you are such an expert on Peanut, you might be able
to solve this mystery: There was one more single I produced
with Peanut after "I Didn't Love Him Anyway." For some reason,
I cannot remember the title, except that the A-side song was
written by Peanut's then manager Valerie Avon (formerly of
The Avons [UK]) and had the word "home" or "house" in it, and
that the recording had an all-star stellar cast of background
singers, and that I overall-compressed the dickens out of the
track on mastering (something I typically NEVER did, except on
this recording as well as Kippington Lodge's "Shy Boy" - on the
original single disc mastering only - to make the whole thing
pump and pound). I cannot find the single in my collection, and
I never hear it mentioned. Any clues?
Mark
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:59:49 +0100
From: Ian Chapman
Subject: Martin's acetates
Martin,
I've just been listening to some of your other unissued acetates,
following the "Golden Wonder Boy" thread. I know it's a good few
years since I heard them but I'm more than a little surprised to
find a few discoveries amongst them that we missed first time
around! Although unidentified on the labels, some of those voices
are so distinctive:-
First, there's Peanut/Katie Kissoon. We did agree when we first
played them that three of the titles were sung by her, "You've Got
Me Cryin' Again", "When The Swing Swings" and "I'm Coming Alive".
I now see there's two more: "Two, Four, Six, Eight" and "Tell
The World".
I also reckon you've got two there by Jackie Lee: "My Kind Of
Wonderful Guy" and "Find A Way Back" both big ballads like those
she did in the mid/late 60s.
There seems to be one by Lesley Duncan, "I've Gotta Make A Call",
quite folky and brooding and unusually long at over 4 minutes.
Sounds like something she might have written herself.
And finally, a big surprise - you've got an unissued Samantha Jones
acetate! It's called "In Time" - a Latin-flavoured tune and maybe
not one of her most memorable, but still - it's her!! What a shame
this wasn't discovered before the recent 2 CD set of Sam's stuff
came out.
You're a very lucky boy!!
Ian
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:30:13 EDT
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: Shy Boy Compression
Phil Chapman:
> [re: Lansdowne Studios] Didn't Joe Meek start out here?
I thought he produced everything in his home bedroom...?
> ...if I am playing examples of extreme compression as used in
> the sixties, one of the examples I use is Kippington Lodge's
> "Shy Boy" - you virtually turned that inside out, or did that
> happen on the cut?
On the cut - intentionally. I actually disliked overall limiting
compressing thoroughly (a common practice in those days on mixes
and especially on mastering, partly as a "cheat" to make mixdown
engineering easier, and partly to get more "volume" on the disc,
even if it was at the expense of instruments presence and definition).
But in the case of "Shy Boy," I WANTED it to pump and pound,
letting the bass signal "fight it out" with the higher frequencies
(bass won, LOL) and therefore generate a certain extra excitement.
Unfortunately, that "sound" appears only on re-releases mastered from
the original 45; all re-masters taken from the original mastertape are
not "hyper compressed" and merely have some inaudible peak limiting.
Thus, those re-releases sound flat in comparison to the original disc.
Mark
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:45:52 -0500
From: Nick Archer
Subject: Re: I Can Hear Music
Gary Spector:
> If I am not mistaken, Ms Brocolli (Not sure of first name or
> spelling of last) sang on a Beach Boys CD.
That was Christian singer Kathy Trocolli, on the made-in-Nashville
"Stars And Stripes Forever" album, just before Carl's death.
I can play it to musica if needed. She's from New York city and
has a great voice. Timothy Schmidt does a good version of
"Caroline No" on the same CD.
Nick Archer
Nashville TN
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 02:57:07 -0000
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Good ol' Canterbury
Stewart Mason wondered about the Canterbury label. To the best
of my knowledge, 'Yellow Balloon' was, sadly, Canterbury's most
successful act. The other two bands I own 45s for on it are
The Sound Machine (Gotta Ease My Mind/Spanish Flash) & (one of?)
the bands called Group Therapy (Magic in the Air/Bad News,
latter of which Jeff Glenn knows is a wonderful tune!!) From what
I've read there were quite a few more in the sunshine/garage pop
vein around '67-'68, but apparently only Zekley and friends made
any headway. (Many of the other Canterbury singles are strongly
desired by yours truly!!!)
Speaking of labels let me add PAULA and SSS INT'L (which has been
mentioned receently) as exemplary Southern "white-bread" pop labels,
setting the standard as Stax/Volt did for many of the Memphis &
Atlanta R&B groups. Love a whole lot of stuff on those, not the
least of whom, John Fred et al, the non-hits as well as
"Judy in Disguise".
Bobster
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