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Spectropop - Digest Number 451
- From: Spectropop Group
- Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002
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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. More on Peanut
From: Kingsley Abbott
2. Re: The Battle of San Onofre
From: Guy Lawrence
3. AVONS CALLING
From: mick patrick
4. Re: First Cut..
From: Jeffrey Glenn
5. Re: I Can Hear Music etc etc
From: james botticelli
6. Gene Pitney needs more time in kareoke bars..
From: Ken Levine
7. Mickettes Redux
From: Jimmy Crescitelli
8. Re: Obscure Gurls
From: Ian May
9. Re: WIRTZ, BRIT GIRLS & RESEARCH
From: Mark Wirtz
10. Dottie Holmberg
From: Steve F
11. Re: favourite labels
From: Luis Suarez
12. Re: Judy Stone, Kenny Karen, Second City Sound
From: simon white
13. RE: AVONS CALLING
From: Ian May
14. Four Cal-Quettes
From: Martin Roberts
15. Labels, Love Affairs...
From: Bob Rashkow
16. Question for Mark Wirtz
From: Ronnie Allen
17. Castle Pulse CD Box Set - "Chapel Of Love - And Other Great Girl Group Gems"
From: Mike Edwards
18. Re: Fave record labels
From: Billy G Spradlin
19. Re: THE FOUR CAL-QUETTES
From: mick patrick
20. Sue & Sunny
From: Martin Roberts
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:41:14 +0100
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: More on Peanut
Mark W. mentioned about Peanut's version of "I'm Waiting
For The Day" being on the Castle comp called "Guess
I'm Dumb" which I was lucky enough to be involved with.
Her version was also released in Japan recently on EM
Records in a lovingly re-created 7" vinyl EP format, along
with "Someone's Gonna Be Sorry", "I Didn't love Him
Anyway" and "Come Tomorrow". Along with this release, EM
have also put out two other 60s styled EP-looking single
releases of "Here Today"/"But Cry" from The Robb Storme
Group and Antony Thompson's excellent cover of
"Caroline No"/"Come Unto Me" adding up to a mini
Pet Sounds series. Anthony is Tony Rivers' son. Brian
Wilson is reported to really like Anthony's "Caroline
No" and even travelled last year to an LA club to see
Ant and Tony perform.
Katie (Peanut) Kissoon also popped up as backing
singer on a locally pressed CD that is available from
the (excellent) local baker in our next village here in
Norfolk. Strange but true :-)
Kingsley Abbott
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:38:35 +0100
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Re: The Battle of San Onofre
Don Charles:
> Does anyone have any information about this narrative song?
> I know that Annette Funicello recorded "The Battle Of San Onofre"
> for her BEACH PARTY album in 1964, but there is no record of its
> authors in either the BMI or ASCAP databases. Who wrote it, and
> was it ever cut by anyone else?
My Annette "Beach Party" reissue on Rhino (RNDF204) lists the
authors as (G.Hemrick/J.Styner).
Storming version of "California Sun" on there too!
Regards,
Guy.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:21:51 +0100 (BST)
From: mick patrick
Subject: AVONS CALLING
Original message from Paul Urbahns:
> There was a singing group of black girls in Nashville called
> The Avons. Is there an expert out there on them? They may have
> recorded with Peggy Gaines.
Hi,
Well, Paul, an expert on THE AVONS I don't claim to be, but I can
tell you that in 1968 they and Peggy Gaines each recorded for the
Ref-O-Ree label of Nashville. Both acts also knocked out "cheap
cover versions" for the local budget logo Hit. I believe the Avons
used the monicker JENNY & THE JEWELS at that time. We have amongst
our members experts on Hit who may educate us further.
The Kent CD "Music City Soul" (CDKEND 157) contains the Avons'
Ref-O-Ree track "Tell Me Baby (Who Would I Be)", not to mention
two great cuts by Peggy Gaines.
And you can get "Since I Met You Baby", recorded by the Avons for
Excello in 1968, and the previously-unissued "I Would If I Could"
on the CD "Uptown, Down South" (Kent CDKEND 121).
Volume 1 of the "Where The Girls Are" series (Ace CDCHD 648)
contains a stereo version of the Avons' debut 45 "Push A Little
Harder", released on RCA's subsidiary Groove in 1963. That single
came with a nice picture sleeve, illustrated in colour in the CD
booklet. In the UK, the girls were billed by RCA as the Novas to
avoid confusion with the British Avons.
One can view the covers, full tracklists and original essays about
each of the aabove-mentioned CDs by going to www.acerecords.co.uk
Furthermore, what I suspect many Spectropoppers might regard as the
Avons' best ever recording, a wonderful version of Ronnie & the
Daytona's "Be Good To Your Baby", can be found on the brand new
3CD box set "Chapel Of Love - And Other Great Girl Group Gems"
(Castle/Pulse PBXCD 353). Sixty, count 'em, sixty tracks for about
nine quid. Let's see, per track that's about, oh work it out for
yourselves...
MICK PATRICK
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 09:42:16 -0700
From: Jeffrey Glenn
Subject: Re: First Cut..
> "Jeff Glenn has yet another version of
> "First Cut" on his list that I'd love to hear sometime."
Up now on musica:
Danish Lost & Found - The First Cut If The Deepest (Stevens)
Laurie 3492 (1969). A Triola Record [Denmark] Recording
A nice straight ahead pop/rock version of the Cat Stevens song
by a Danish band. Enjoy!
Jeff
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:03:37 -0400
From: james botticelli
Subject: Re: I Can Hear Music etc etc
Mark Wirtz wrote:
> Phil Chapman writes:
>> ...is there more than one version of "I Can Hear Music"?.
>> ...Ian Chapman says it sounds like a female vocal, but I
>> favour it's a male vocal (Chas Mills?) a la Beach Boys.
>
> Oh boy, Margo would be soooo hurt if she read this. No, with
> all due respect to good old Chas, he could never pull off a vocal
> with that much soul. It was Margo on lead and the Breakaways on
> background. And I never recorded more than one version of this.
There is an "I Can Hear Music" soundalike on The Parade's (only?)
LP but of course I can't remember what its called.
Someone here pro'lly do though!
--
Jimmy Botticelli
Taking The E-Z...Way Out!
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:48:42 -0700
From: Ken Levine
Subject: Gene Pitney needs more time in kareoke bars..
Wonderful moment at the end of the BBC's morning TV show:
"And now we close today's program with Gene Pitney singing his
latest release...."
Cut to a dapper & distinguished, white-haired Gene Pitney on
the front steps of some building. The song's intro begins as
Gene patiently waits. And he continues waiting while the
recorded voice of Gene Pitney begins to sing. Ultimately his
lips begin moving just before the conclusion of the first verse.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:45:04 EDT
From: Jimmy Crescitelli
Subject: Mickettes Redux
Will Stos (hey there Will!) raised an interesting point... that
Mick Patrick and Company have ultra knowledge of obscure girl
groups. This has been a fact for many years: at least 30 in my
case... and you guys have unraveled SO many GG mysteries.
So here's one to try:
The Four Cal-Quettes - "I'll Never Come Back". I am making a tape
for a collector, and including this cut... it's heartbreaking,
heartrending, and completely angst-ridden.
Any info on this group?
Best,
Jimmy
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:02:45 +0100
From: Ian May
Subject: Re: Obscure Gurls
Norman recalls:
> ....I can tell you I remember seeing the Undertakers on
> 'Thank Your Lucky Stars' way back in 1964 but can't remember
> the name of the group I saw on 'Top of The Pops' last night!
I don't even watch TOTP these days. There doesn't seem to be
much music on it anymore.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:42:41 EDT
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: WIRTZ, BRIT GIRLS & RESEARCH
Mick Patrick writes:
> I found some interesting bits in the accompanying discography.
> For example, maybe Mark would like to tell us a little about
> producing tall, weird KIM FOWLEY...or the German language
> recordings of rockabilly goddess WANDA JACKSON...or PEANUT'S
> unissued single "Rumours".
Regarding Kim Fowley, without doubt the most impacting influence
in my life and forever my hero (we were like a neo Don Quichote
pair, LOL) , read my book "Sisyphus Rocks." It is a virtual
tribute to Kim, and (arguably) the only likely publication ever
that authentically depicts Kim's reckless, Faustian journey,
incongruous to, and in tragic conflict with, his deep humanity.
Re Wanda Jackson - Mark Frumento has a copy of the material -
ask him to post it.
Peanut's Rumors was originally released as B-side of one of her
EMI singles, and just re-released in Japan as part of an EP vinyl
release on EM/Harmonies Records. The release was prompted by RPM
Records, so Mark Stratford (who now owns my Colinio Productions
Catalogue that includes the Peanut recordings) should be able to
get a copy to you by request.
Very best,
Mark (Wirtz)
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 02:47:45 -0000
From: Steve F
Subject: Dottie Holmberg
All you Curt Boettcher fans/completists (that includes me)
might be interested in the following news:
According to Dottie Holmberg, formerly of The Goldebriars, in
late May/Early June 2002 Sundazed Music will be releasing a solo
album of (pop) love songs Dottie Holmberg of the Goldebriars recorded
from 1966 to 1970....All the songs/recordings on this album (except
one - "Sea of Tears") have never been released.
There will be 17 songs on the CD (will also be available on a vinyl
album) of which Dottie wrote 11 songs & co-wrote an additional
2 songs on the album.
Check out Dottie's website:
http://www.kidbiz.com/profile-dottie/profile.htm
Steve F
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:20:21 -0700
From: Luis Suarez
Subject: Re: favourite labels
Labels that I love:
Bang
Bell
Buddah
Deram
Fontana
GM
Magnet
Metromedia
MGM
Page One
Penny Farthing
Pink Elephant
President
RAK
RCA UK
Super K
UA
UK
White Whale
Luis Suarez
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:34:39 +0100
From: simon white
Subject: Re: Judy Stone, Kenny Karen, Second City Sound
Thanks for all the feed back on my original posting both on
and off list.
Ian Chapman wrote -
> And as for the Second City Sound ......... Their cover of
> "River Deep, Mountain High"
> (with perceived lyrics rather than the actual ones!) is just odd,
> with Jennie having attacks of Dorothy Squires-itis throughout.
Now this I need to hear !
But has no one got anything on Dian Hart "All The Time" on the
Kerr label? Ernie Freeman arranged and written by Mason Williams.
It's a nice pop/soul dance rekkid with [gulp] northern soul overtones.
Of course it is the 'b' side:-)
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:57:28 +0100
From: Ian May
Subject: RE: AVONS CALLING
Mick writes:
> Furthermore, what I suspect many Spectropoppers might regard
> as the Avons' best ever recording, a wonderful version of
> Ronnie & the Daytona's "Be Good To Your Baby", can be found
> on the brand new 3CD box set "Chapel Of Love - And Other
> Great Girl Group Gems" (Castle/Pulse PBXCD 353).
I've just ordered this from http://www.amazon.co.uk. It was
£6.99 plus p+p giving a total of £8.45 delivered to the door.
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:15:11 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Four Cal-Quettes
Jimmy Crescitelli asked about:-
>The Four Cal-Quettes - "I'll Never Come Back". I am making a tape
>for a collector, and including this cut... it's heartbreaking,
>heartrending, and completely angst-ridden.
>Any info on this group?
Before Mick replies with the girls names, shoe and bra size....
The 4 Cal-Quettes, "heartbreaking, heartrending, and completely
angst-ridden." Gosh! I'd always judged them as rather wimpy!
Must admit "I'll Never Come Back (Silly Boy)" Wr. Barry Mann,
Arr. Barbara Haskell & Prod. Nick Venet (Capitol 4725)'62 is a
bit super! There first record (that I know about) was released as
'The Four Coquettes "Sparkle And Shine" Capitol 4534 '61 (quite
sparkling). Followed by "Star Bright" Capitol 4574 (quite bright),
"I'm Gonna Love Him Anyway" Capitol 4657 (quite lovely? Not really,
weakest so far). Then after "I'll Never..." they decamped to
Liberty 55549 '63 for "Movie Magazines". This might have charted
in the late 50's but very twee for '63.
This (final?) release reunited them in the label credits with
Larson & Bruce Belland (Lar-Bell Music Corp./Pan-Or Productions)
who I assume were there management team.
Wimpy & twee, well yes but I have got a soft spot for them and yes,
I guess "I'll Never...." is "heartbreaking, heartrending, and
completely angst-ridden."!
Martin
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:46:18 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Labels, Love Affairs...
Re: Mark Wirtz
So, you worked with the incredible Kim Fowley!!! I'm even more
aware of just how extensive your career has been. BTW, I LOVE
"My White Bicycle" which leads me to......
Re: The Love Affair
Norman, I too am a BIG BIG fan - if the 45 I own of "Bringin'
On Back The Good Times" is any indication of the rest of their
work, nothing short of SPECTACULAR so I have a lot of listening
to look forward to) Makes me wish I'd grown up in England's
"green and pleasant land" especially with records like Procol's
"Homburg & Rupert's People's "Reflections......"! ! !:-)
Re: "Peanut"
I heard that Mac & Katie Kissoon's original version of "Love Will
Keep Us Together" is infinitely more creative than the Captain &
Tennille's big hit.
Re: Labels!! Ditto what Luis Suarez said (who recorded on Pink
Elephant, Luis??!!) & will gladly add that I have a special fondness
for the DIAMOND and FERNWOOD labels, TEAM (an offshoot of SUPER K)
the GONE label and for all you psychedelia/garage psyke buffs out
there: good old CANTERBURY!!!! To name only a smattering.
Bobster.
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:22:23 EDT
From: Ronnie Allen
Subject: Question for Mark Wirtz
Mark,
Could you tell me a little bit about Keith West, who recorded
"Excerpt From 'A Teenage Opera'" ("Grocer Jack"). I always
thought that recording was an excellent one and deserved to have
success in the U.S. as well.
Ronnie Allen
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:54:29 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Castle Pulse CD Box Set - "Chapel Of Love - And Other Great Girl Group Gems"
Ian May writes:
> a wonderful version of
> Ronnie & the Daytona's "Be Good To Your Baby", can be found
> on the brand new 3CD box set "Chapel Of Love - And Other
> Great Girl Group Gems" (Castle/Pulse PBXCD 353)
Ian,
This set looks to be terrific value (even if it does mean that
"Leader Of The Pack" will now appear in our CD collections for
the 6th time!). What's the quality like? Are they all original
recordings?
I would recommend anyone in the US ordering from
http://www.amazon.co.uk. There's a great selection of CDs over
there and the transaction is as easy as it is when buying from
http://www.amazon.com
Mike Edwards
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:14:17 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: Fave record labels
Stewart Mason writes:
> Anyone but me remember Harlow Wilcox's "Groovy Grubworm,"
> which was on seemingly *every* Plantation Records compilation?
Plus Rod Hart's "CB Savage", a novelity hit in 1976. I remember
all those trucker albums and 8-tracks that were in every TG&Y
and Wal-Mart cutout bin!
Frank Youngwerth:
> Who else has a favorite label, and which is it?
Besides Phillies and all the Motown labels, one of my favorites is
Swan - the home of "She Loves You/Sie Liebt Dich" and The
McKinleys "Someone Cares For Me" in the USA. It seems every Swan 45
I have discovered over the years is good-to-excellent (except for
Billy & Lillie!). The Sapphires, Marcie Jo, Freddie Cannon, Link
Wray, Three Degrees, The Rockin' Rebels and DONT DROP OUT. Sounds to
me the label concentrated on Pop and R&B singles and whoever picked
singles between 62-66 did a good job.
Billy
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:49:15 +0100 (BST)
From: mick patrick
Subject: Re: THE FOUR CAL-QUETTES
Dear Spectropop,
Mr. Michael Patrick would like to thank Mr. James Crescitelli
for aiming at him a question about the Four Cal-Quettes. He also
wishes to deliver his sincerest gratitude to Mr. Martin Roberts for
answering that enquiry on his behalf. He was going to reply
personally but has since deleted his epic response and has retired
to his bedchamber with "the vapours".
Oh, hang on, he's barking something at me right now....He says,
"Ask that flower-monger why he has all the Four Cal-Quettes' records
if he hates them so much". Oh dear, now he's slammed the door. Oh no,
he's playing his Ruby & the Romantics LP so loud that it's made his
pile of Lou Christie 45s fall into the kitty litter tray. And it was
going to be such a lovely day. Oh well, back to ironing his lovely
trousers. My, aren't they long!
Yours faithfully,
Boris
(Valet to Mr. Michael Patrick)
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:24:51 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Sue & Sunny
Ian Chapman:
> I wonder what the chances are of persuading a certain Spectropopper
> to post his 60s acetate of Sunny singing an unissued track called
> "He's Not There" to musica. THIS MEANS YOU MARTIN!
We will all be in for a treat when Ian rewrites his Vernon Girls
piece from 'That Will Never Happen Again'. So how could I refuse
his request to play Sunny to musica? From the same box of 60's
acetates, which were bought for a fiver (a bag of 'taters and a
tray of eggs), came "Golden Wonder Boy" by two unidentified males.
I can't remember if the best ears in the business (not overly large,
but very perceptive) have identified the singers, more likely to be
the writers. But it is a good tune, and, with the right producer,
could have been great. Both acetates (no artist credited on either)
will be played to musica.
Martin
PS Paul, thanks for giving the source of the Scott Engel (Walker)
track. I prefer the thought of you climbing over the wall, avoiding
the snarling dogs and escaping with piles of unreleased acetates,
but the truth will out!
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