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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: The Candymen
From: Al Kooper
2. Re: Peppermint Rainbow/Higher Elevation/Danny Holien
From: Art Longmire
3. Re: Bob Gallo
From: Al Kooper
4. Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
From: Mike Rashkow
5. Re: The Candymen / Roy Orbison
From: Gary Myers
6. Re:nothern soul - here we go again...
From: Howard
7. Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
From: Austin Roberts
8. Re: Northern Soul
From: Sebastian Fonzeus
9. Re: The Neighborhood
From: Gary Myers
10. Re: The New Rascals, Turtles, Grass Roots
From: Kurt Benbenek
11. Re: Appaloosa
From: Michael Coxe
12. Re: Northern Soul
From: M. G. Still
13. Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
From: Mikey
14. Re: The Candymen
From: Al Kooper
15. Anne Murray's early albums
From: Richard Gagnon
16. Re: need song ID from French Scopitone
From: D. C.
17. Re: The Epic Splendor
From: Joe Nelson
18. Re: The Candymen
From: Al Kooper
19. Re: Virginia Vee / 60s French Pop
From: Michel Gignac
20. Re: Northern Soul
From: Joe Nelson
21. Re: The Candymen / Roy Orbison
From: Tom Taber
22. Re: recordin' in America
From: Phil X Milstein
23. The Who
From: Lex Cody
24. Re: Bert Berns' British Productions
From: Neils Chr Junker-Poulsen
25. Re: Don(ald) Thomas
From: Phil X Milstein
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:04:31 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: The Candymen
Phil Milstein:
> Wasn't The Candymen the name of Roy Orbison's backing group?
> If so, was it a different Candymen than the one that turned
> into ARS? Also, why am I confusing The Candymen with the group
> that became The Allman Brothers? Maybe they had a candy-related
> name, too, such as Allman Joy or something like that.
Candymen began by backing Orbison, Then recorded by themselves
and evolved into ARS. Hourglass (wouldn't eat one of those, Phil)
became Allmans from Florida to LA. Only common ground was red clay
of Georgia later on.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:15:13 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Re: Peppermint Rainbow/Higher Elevation/Danny Holien
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> Clark B, I too loved "Roberta" when it was out (along with its
> B-side, "Bust Song.") And I checked Osborne about the Peppermint
> Rainbow -- they did indeed make only one LP. And do you have The
> Higher Elevation's other single, "Here Comes Sunshine"? Could it
> possibly be as supergroovy as "Summer Skies"? And could you play
> that or "Georgia Pines" by The Candymen..........
Clark Besch
> Colorado's Higher Elevation song "Here Comes Sunshine" is not
> nearly as good as "Summer Skies", but I'll see if I can dig it
> out. When I think of Colorado artists, Danny Holien's minor hit,
> "Colorado", comes to mind. I really loved the song when it was
> out and it is one of the few Hot 100 hits still not on CD.
> Anyone else love this song?
Hey, Clark!
I too really like "Colorado" by Danny Holien...I bought it when
it came out back in 1972. I think it was on the Tumbleweed label
...my copy is long gone, unfortunately, and I don't remember much
about how it sounded, other than that it was sort of folky-very
melancholy and introspective. It got pretty good airplay here in
Sacramento California back at that time. You're right, it's quite
a cool song.
Art Longmire
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:09:00 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Bob Gallo
> He did own the TalentMasters studio in the sixties with his
> partner Bob Harvey (a manager). The address was at 126 West
> 42nd St. A lot of great records have been recorded in this
> studio. The Who and a lot of r'n'b stuff. Gallo and Harvey
> did sell the studio to Atlantic Records in 1966 or at the
> beginning of 1967 ... and I'd sure like to know more about
> any recollections about this studio.
I played on Rael from The Who Sell Out.
It was cut at Talent Masters
Al Kooper
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:48:54 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
RE: Various Don Thomas posts:
Don, as I remember him was a very nice guy. Talented and laid back.
He is from Sarasota, FL and is the brother of Jean Thomas (Fox) of
"the girls" and much more.
He produced some early stuff with Bill Szymzyck, before Bill went west.
When I left NYC last, I had heard that Don was a "staff writer" for
Muzak, which during that period was producing and using their own
stuff to skip any royalties -- for all I know they still do.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:04:01 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: The Candymen / Roy Orbison
Joe Nelson
> "Oh! Pretty Woman" ... The song's biggest "hook" was obviously
> all those guitars banging out that eight-note E7 riff in unison
> - e,e,g#,b,d,f#,e,d. Listening to the record closely, it sounds
> like the bass player tried to muscle up the song by changing the
> last three notes. At the F# he drops an octave, back to the fourth
> string instead of the second where the rest of the group was. This
> puts the D note below the range of his axe, so he substitutes a G#.
> Am I the only one who hears this?
Ah, you got me curious, Joe, but unfortunately I can't hear the bass
clearly enough on the cassette copy I have. I'm interested to see
what anyone else comes up with.
Of course, the other thing about that line is that it's so prominent
that most people think the song is in E when it's really in A. (My
chord book would come in handy for those people. .
gem
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 02:49:31 -0400
From: Howard
Subject: Re:nothern soul - here we go again...
Dave O'Gara wrote:
> From time to time, I see these references to Northern Soul.
> Forgive my ignorance for this question, but I was wondering if
> Northern Soul is simply R&B recorded above the Mason/Dixon line.
Dave..
Northern soul does not relate to any specific northern area of the
USA. It was a term coined by an English music writer to define the
soul music being played at the time in clubs in the north of England.
Generally this music has been assumed to consist of 100mph, 04 -beats-
to-the-bar soul music.
Nowadays it is more difficult to 'pigeon hole' exactly what makes
a soul record a northern soul record, except to say that any record
that has been accepted by the followers of rare soul scene can be a
'northern soul' record.
So nowadays there are uptempo, midempo and beat ballads all classed
as northern soul. The only constant in the equation is that no matter
what tempo the record is, it will still have a beat to dance to!
I hope this goes some way to explaining the esoteric world of the
northern soul scene?!
Howard (editor - Soul Up North - fanzine)
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 00:56:56 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
Les Fradkin:
> But Don Thomas is the fuzz guitarist on "A Little Bit Me, A Little
> Bit You". This is well documented in Rhino re-issues and this was
> a NYC session. In fact, this session (which also yielded "She")
> was one of the reasons Mike Nesmith lost his temper at Don Kirshner
> and screamed for Monkee independence.
Les, I appreciate the info. I believe that Bobby Hart or Tommy
Boyce, who were both great friends of mine,told me that they cut
their records on the Monkees in LA. Can you find out which of the
Monkee cuts were in NYC and which were cut in LA?
Austin R.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 07:22:52 +0200
From: Sebastian Fonzeus
Subject: Re: Northern Soul
> From time to time, I see these references to Northern Soul.
> Forgive my ignorance for this question, but I was wondering
> if Northern Soul is simply R&B recorded above the Mason/Dixon
> line.....
The "northern" part refers to the kind of soul that was popular
in the clubs up in northern England during the late 60s and
throughout the 70s. Stomping, uptempo stuff. Indeed much of this
stuff came from places like New York, Detroit, Chicago etc. But
there is a lot of records termed as "northern soul" that were
recorded in the southern states. So the term has got nothing to
do with where it was recorded, but where it was danced to. As the
northern scene has been going for 35 years or so, it is quite a
complex thing to explain exactly what "northern soul" is.
Check these sites out for more info:
http://www.users.totalise.co.uk/~djandyp/nsoul/northern_soul_links.htm
http://www.nightowlclub.com/whatis/petes.htm
There are thousands of northern soul sites out there, so keep looking. :)
Take care!
Sebastian
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:58:09 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: The Neighborhood
Martin Roberts:
> James Holvay mentioned The Neighborhood and their hit cover
> of "Big Yellow Taxi". Are they the same group who recorded
> the great Four Seasons sounding 45 "Why Can't You See" for
> Bullet Records?
According to a Neighborhood member whom I spoke to about 2 yrs
ago, the releases on Bullet and Acta are an unrelated group.
gem
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 17:03:51 -0000
From: Kurt Benbenek
Subject: Re: The New Rascals, Turtles, Grass Roots
David Coyle:
> I'm going to see the Turtles, the Grass Roots and the
> "New Rascals" at the Ohio State Fair this week.....
> Has anyone seen the New Rascals? What do they do for
> a lead singer, considering the two best known voices
> of the Rascals are not there?
I saw and heard The New Rascals when they played Costa Mesa,
Ca's 'Fashion Center' two weeks ago.
Felix Caveliere and his band were excellent. All of the Rascals
hits (and many, many covers) were done superbly and with much
enthusiasm.
Felix took on most of the lead vocal chores, except for "How
Can I Be Sure" which was sung by the bass player.
Felix is a great showman, still full of energy this late in the
game. He got most of the jaded Costa Mesa crowd up and dancing.
Quite a feat in itself.
Kurt Benbenek
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:37:48 -0700
From: Michael Coxe
Subject: Re: Appaloosa
Al Q:
> re: Appaloosa LP: What about the other half?
Honest Al Kooper wrote:
> Almost timeless. To quote myself, in the song "Sad Sad Sunshine":
> "Oh I do not ever claim to seek perfection ..."
Some of their songs had a baroque tinge, not unlike the Left Banke.
- michael
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 00:00:56 -0000
From: M. G. Still
Subject: Re: Northern Soul
Dave O'Gara:
> I was wondering if Northern Soul is simply R&B recorded
> above the Mason/Dixon line. Or does this term refer
> specifically to a certain area like Chicago, in the same way
> that Muscle Shoals or Stax represent a more Southern Soul sound?---
I'd always assumed the "northern" was a reference to the northern
U.S., but a British record collector told me that it refers to the
northern U.K., where there developed a whole Northern Soul club scene
which appreciated a different kind of R&B/soul than was appreciated
in the southern U.K.
But - what is considered Northern Soul doesn't seem to include Muscle
Shoals or Stax or Malaco or deep soul, or most Southern U.S. soul.
Correct me if I'm wrong....
I've read that this difference was just something that developed
from regional differences in taste, but the collector told me that
what came to be called "Northern Soul" was from a huge batch of
obscure R&B/Soul records that a British collector & club owner
scored on a U.S. trip, and then played in his club. It does seem
to be true that "Northern Soul" focusses on soul music from the more
obscure labels, though I'm pretty sure Okeh Records is considered
Northern Soul.
And other than Okeh records compilations, I've been disappointed
with any so-called Northern Soul compilations I've listened to.
Possibly these comps are not the "original" club songs, but a softer
sound that became "Northern Soul" by the early 70s or later.
I'd love to find a list of some of what that club owner brought over.
M. G. Still
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 21:14:46 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
Actually, a bunch of Monkees sessions were held at RCA in New York,
at 26th Street and Lex. I've seen the session notes.
Previously:
> I just can't seem to find any info on Don(ald) Thomas. He was
> a guitar player and is to be heard on sessions in New York in
> the mid-sixties. But also with The Monkees, I believe.
Austin Roberts:
> I'm a believer that most, if not all of the Monkees sessions
> were cut in LA.
Leslie Fradkin:
> But Don Thomas is the fuzz guitarist on "A Little Bit Me, A Little
> Bit You". This is well documented in Rhino re-issues and this was
> a NYC session. In fact, this session (which also yielded "She")
> was one of the reasons Mike Nesmith lost his temper at Don Kirshner
> and screamed for Monkee independence.
Little point of interest.....in 1979, the building that housed
the RCA studios was by then used by Baruch college. I was working
there in Sept '79, and using photos of an Elvis session in the
studios in '56, I was able to pinpoint exactly where the studio
was, and then where (in relation to the door) Elvis stood while
he was recording his vocal. And of course, I stood in the same
location and closed my eyes and imagined what it was like.....
25 years before at that very spot.
Mikey
PS....Sad ending...Baruch college tore the building down in 2000.
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:20:41 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: The Candymen
Shawn:
> Nix did a few Lynyrd Skynrd LPs THEN...Daughtry, Nix & Justo
> went to ARS for their 1st Decca LP. Nix & Justo were gone soon
> after...Daughtry is still with ARS today. (confused yet?)
Actually Nix only played on Tuesdays Gone from the 1st Skynyrd
album and that time period was consistent with the recording of
the Back Against The Wall ARS album. The base of operations was
Buddy Buie's Studio One studios in Doraville, GA.
Al Kooper
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:15:27 -0400
From: Richard Gagnon
Subject: Anne Murray's early albums
Brent wrote:
> If this hasn't been discussed before, let me say that the
> "Talk It Over In The Morning" LP by Anne Murray (1971) is a
> very good record all the way through. 10 songs - all good,
> and one which I bought the record for because of the writing
> credits.... "Talk It Over In The Morning" (the title track
> has caused my head to spin like Linda Blair) could be the
> missing track on The Match's "A New Light" LP. Yes, it's
> Earth's genius, Roger Nichols (P. Williams co- on this one).
> This record may be old news to you guys and girls, but to me
> it might be the Canadian "Italian Graffiti".
Nichols/Williams contributions aside (TIOITM is indeed a gem!),
her earlier albums are even better. Most, if not all by now, of
Anne Murray's albums are available in lovely twofer format, at
least in Canada. Personally, I can't get past the first 3 twofers
before giving up. For my money, her first album, "This way is my
way" is by far her best. It was never released in the States under
that name. Rather, a compilation of it and the followup, "Honey,
Wheat and Laughter" was issued to capitalize on the belated Stateside
success of "Snowbird", from TWIMW. Its highlights: all the Gene
MacLellan compositions, especially Snowbird and the moving "Hard As
I Try", a wonderful version of Eric Anderson's "Thirsty Boots" and,
IMHO, the finest version of the Left Banke's "She may call you up
tonight", here simply titled "He may call". Soon after her debut,
she settled into her trademark vocal ticks, the double-tracked leads
and sheer heavy formula. But her debut is vital, rich, well-arranged,
diverse and dynamic.
I found samples you can listen to at http://tinyurl.com/54em3
Richard
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:47:32 -0000
From: D. C.
Subject: Re: need song ID from French Scopitone
thirteen_eagle wrote:
> In the late seventies I saw sketch on Saturday Night Live called
> "Bad Cinema" in which they showed what I believe to be a Scopitone
> in French with a catchy song possibly titled "Allez, Gigi" - Male
> vocal, film showed several guys dancing around some girl riding
> in a horse-drawn carriage. Title? Artist? Year? Help?
Yes, this was a real Scopitone, and the guy was actually
singing "Allez, Zizi." I don't recall a horse-drawn carriage,
but I do recall seeing some chick twisting furiously in it.
The song is called "Zizi la Twisteuse." Depending on which
website you believe, the performer is either Jack Glenn or
Glenn Jack et Les Glenners, and the clip dates from 1963.
Signed D.C.
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:30:29 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: The Epic Splendor
Me:
> Since we're on the subject and there's space, I've posted the
> B side of "It Could Be Wonderful" to Musica, "She's High On
> Life". One wonders why Capitol is sitting on these tapes -
> there is interest in the tracks.
Clark Besch:
> Joe, It would be cool to hear the Epic Splendor in stereo if
> tapes exist. "A Little Rain Must Fall" certainly made Boss
> Radio KHJ's top 30 and that was no small fete in 1967! The one
> I love is "It Could be Wonderful". Our local Dodge City, Ks.
> station, KEDD, played it when it was out in summer of 67. It
> sounded like a Buckinghams record, which sold me. Had no idea
> the Smoke did it. Some of the Smoke's songs are really great
> pop, not just psychedelic like the great "My Friend Jack".
> "Waterfall" by the Smoke is just beautiful.
>From what John Boylan told me, all tapes associated with the
group (four track masters and his mono and stereo remixes)
were filed at Capitol. He wasn't sure if the stereo tapes were
still there or if it'd be necessary to remix them, but there's
no reason the group's material can't be reissued from the masters.
So - how do we make this happen?
The Smoke's version of "It Could Be Wonderful" was apparently
a sizeable UK hit (a banjo played that solo, IIRC). I'm pretty
sure the Epic Splendor version didn't chart, but both records
got extensive cutout distribution (where it didn't count) into
the early 70's and are fairly common today.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:29:37 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: The Candymen
Me:
> They evolved into the Atlanta Rhythym Section - same drummer,
> bassist and keyboardist. Rodney Justo lasted one album in that
> configuration.
Austin:
> Thanks Al. Also, I heard that you played on Sweet Home Alabam,
> is this true?
I played acoustic guitar, produced it, and right after Van Zant
sings "Well I heard Mr. Young sing about her....." you can
subliminally hear with headphones on, me imitating Neil Young
singing Southern Man.... (only for people with BIG EARS)
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 04:48:22 -0000
From: Michel Gignac
Subject: Re: Virginia Vee / 60s French Pop
Tom K asked about Virginia Vee's "Boum Boum Boum" by J.C. Olivier
and R. Valade:
> Just wondered does anyone know anything else about this
> artist or record?
All I can add is that Olivier & Valade also wrote the song "Ne
cherche pas à plaire" for France Gall & Mireille D'Arc, around 1967.
Tom also asked:
> does anyone know of any books or substantial magazine articles
> written about the French ye-ye and pop scene of the 1960s?
I can add the books:
'L'Age d'or du Yé-yé', by J. Barsamian & F. Jouffa;
'Le Dictionnaire de la chanson française' by Patrick Sevran.
There are many more.
Michel.
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:37:31 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Northern Soul
Amen on the overuse of the term Northern Soul. The Detroit Soul's
"All Of My Life" was comped on a Great Lost Soul Of Detroit album,
in spite of the fact the group was neither soul nor from Detroit.
(They were from Hartford, CT. I believe one of Bob Radil's cousins
was in the group.)
Joe Nelson
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:45:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: The Candymen / Roy Orbison
Previously:
> "Oh! Pretty Woman" ... The song's biggest "hook"
> was obviously all those guitars banging out that
> eight-note E7 riff in unison - e,e,g#,b,d,f#,e,d.
Maybe some others will find this amusing, as I do.
Since reading the above, I have tried to "think" how
those guitars sound - and everytime I do, what I come
up with is the guitars from Simon and Garfunkel's
"Hazy Shade of Winter"! Are they quite similar, or
just in my addled mind?
Tom Taber
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:02:37 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: recordin' in America
Al Kooper wrote:
> I played on Rael from The Who Sell Out.
> It was cut at Talent Masters
I never knew The Who recorded in the U.S. I know that the Stones did,
extensively and from early on, and this new (to me) information on The
Who leads me to wonder if The Beatles ever did as well.
Curiously,
--Phil M.
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:30:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lex Cody
Subject: The Who
Normally I wish I was in NY or London when I read of gigs that
seem to rock, or gret reunions that were one offs...but this
week has been incredible.
The Who just toured here, and I have to say, they played 2 hours
of some incredible rock n roll. For a 59 yr old , Pete has the
fitness of a middleweight boxer, jumping a windmilling for over
2 hours... Rogers voice was fantastic , his range was great.
Zakk Starkey on drums was great too. The band were tight, and
also stripped of all the usual trappings, percussion and back-up
singers etc.... Keyboards, 02 guitars, bass drums and vocal.
Incredible, and well worth the ticket cost.
Also, this Thursday Stevie Wright is launching a new Bio. Stevie
has been involved with this project and it's fully approved! One
came out a few years ago which I believe he wasnt too happy with.
He will be performing 4 songs I believe at the book launch here
in Melbourne.
lex
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:21:14 +0200
From: Neils Chr Junker-Poulsen
Subject: Re: Bert Berns' British Productions
Me:
> Mick Patrick wrote May 12 2003 about a new release including
> Bert Berns' British productions. Whatever happened to that?
> Has it been released or will it be? And has anyone got the
> track listing?
Mick Patrick:
> Bert Berns produced enough tracks in the UK to fill an entire
> CD. Here's a list of the artists concerned: Gerry Levene,
> Johnny B. Great, the Orchids, the Redcaps, Brenda & Johnny,
> Elaine & Derek, Lulu, Moses K. & the Prophets and . . . Them.
> With no love lost between that grouch Van Morrison and the
> late Bert Berns, the former Them frontman's vital co-operation
> in such a project is unlikely, to say the least. The tracklist
> exists only in my mind.
Sure great to be part of this magnificent list. What a wonderful mix
of great original writers and collectors aside - and yes, I've been
searching the archives. Spent a whole day doing so, and enjoyed
myself all the way.
It really was a shame about that CD of Bert Berns' British singles.
We could without the Them tracks. Everybody knows them anyway, and I
got the Lulu ones, and Moses K as well. I know about Redcaps and The
Orchids, and I know about tracks with P J Proby, The Movement and Dave
Berry as well ... but please, please, PLEASE tell me more about Johnny
B Great and Brenda & Johnny, Elaine & Derek. And when were they done?
Also, The Orchids themselves tell, that their session with Bert Berns
took place in 1963, which seems highly unlikely to me. I think, the
first time he went to England was that October in 1964.
Niels.
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:03:32 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Don(ald) Thomas
Mike Rashkow wrote:
> (Don Thomas) produced some early stuff with Bill Szymzyck, before
> Bill went west.
Perhaps Szymzyck* took Thomas's Monkees tracks with him when he went.
(Just kidding. I too was surprised to read Les F.'s post about NYC
Monkees' sessions, but am not doubting his info.)
Dig,
--Phil M.
*Remember that Superman comic where by pronouncing this name backwards
Superman was zapped into the 4th dimension?
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