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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Bert Berns' British productions
From: Niels Chr Junker-Poulsen
2. Re: The Candymen
From: Shawn
3. Re: The Candymen
From: Eddy
4. Re: The New Rascals
From: Leslie Fradkin
5. Re: U.S.A Records (Chicago)
From: Billy G. Spradlin
6. Claude Francois "Bench No. 3 On Waterloo Station"
From: Tom K.
7. Re: 15 Fab Hicks
From: Clark Besch
8. Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
From: Leslie Fradkin
9. Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
From: Austin Roberts
10. Re: "Like A Rolling Stone"
From: Clark Besch
11. Re: The Candymen
From: Austin Roberts
12. Re: Peppermint Rainbow/Higher Elevation/Danny Holien
From: Clark Besch
13. Anne Murray & The Small Circle Of Friends
From: Brent Cash
14. Re: Re: U.S.A Records (Chicago)
From: Gary Myers
15. Re: Claude Francois "Bench No. 3 On Waterloo Station"
From: Paul Richards
16. Northern Soul
From: Dave O'Gara
17. Re: The Candymen / Roy Orbison
From: Joe Nelson
18. The Allman Joys
From: Bob Rashkow
19. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop
From: Martin Roberts
20. Gary Criss / Epic Splendor
From: Martin Roberts
21. Re: The Epic Splendor
From: Clark Besch
22. The Neighborhood
From: Martin Roberts
23. Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
From: Leslie Fradkin
24. Re: Bert Berns' British productions
From: Mick Patrick
25. Ellie Greenwich
From: Martin Roberts
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:53:00 +0200
From: Niels Chr Junker-Poulsen
Subject: Bert Berns' British productions
Mick Patrick wrote May 12 2003 about a new release including Bert Berns'
British productions. Whatever happened to that? Has it been released or
will it be? And has anyone got the track listing?
Niels
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:37:21 -0000
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: The Candymen
Atkins, Goldsboro & others first made a 45 as "The Webs" - 02 instrumental sides which features Goldsboro doing his cricket
imitation.
Orbison picked up the group while performing in Dothan, Alabama
which is where Adkins (group founder) was from and renamed them The
Candymen after his current hit "Candy Man".
Paul Garrison, Billy Sandford, Billy Gilmore, Bob Dees & John R.
Atkins was lineup on "Pretty Woman" and "The Orbison
Way" LP - you can see this group on the Ed Sullivan footage. If you
get the tape of the Orbison Holland tour, Robert Nix is already on
drums. Goldsboro was gone before any recordings took place. Rodney
Justo of Tampa was brought in to replace Goldsboro (formerly of
Rodney & The Mystics). Sandford & Dees left, Dean Daughtry took
Dees' place on keys & this is the LP lineup of The Candymen.
They did 2 excellent LPs on ABC & 1 non-LP 45, then in 1969 Gilmore
& Daughtry went with Dennis Yost & Classics IV (Gilmore stayed on
until 1975). Adkins put out one 45 as The Candymen "Happy Tonight"
but it was him & local session players, I don't believe any of the
other previous members are on it.
Adkins & Justo then formed Beaverteeth & did 2 LPs, and 1 45
"Georgia Pines" (tough to find), then they broke up. Justo did
quite a bit of backup vocal session work including a good stint with
BJ Thomas. Nix did a few Lynyrd Skynrd LPs THEN...Daughtry, Nix &
Justo went to ARS for their 1st Decca LP. Nix & Justo were gone soon
after...Daughtry is still with ARS today. (confused yet?)
John Rainey Adkins concentrated on songwriting and had just had some
success when a heart attack took him. Gilmore collected civil war
guns, and enjoyed toying with them. A Tomahawk had gone off in his
home once before, but a second time got him in the head and he was
gone in 1978.
So yes, The Candymen Orbison band & "Georgia Pines" group are one
and the same. The "Twist" LP on eBay is NOT this group though. I
suggest checking out The Candymen's 1st ABC LP, tracks such as
"Movies In My Mind" and "Lonely Eyes" kick butt.
If you can decifer the above, you'll see that The Candymen are
responsible for the early "Atlanta Sound" (Lowery Studios)...evident
on Classics IV, ARS & Beaverteeth LPs.
I've spoken with all surviving members of The Candymen, they shared
the stage & partied with Mama Cass, and a infamous gig with Pink
Floyd at the Cheetah. Some interesting & wild stories!
Here's a great page about Rodney & what he's up to today:
http://www.teddwebb.com/showcase/where_are_they_now/rodney_justo.html
I have started a photo/info page of The Candymen in fact and will
post the url address here when I get it done if anyone is still
interested!
Shawn
www.superoldies.com
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:15:44 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: The Candymen
According to http://www.geocities.com/orbisonarchive/musicianslive.html
(and as reported previously) these are the people who were at one point
or another in the Candy Men backing Orbison: Dewey Martin - drums,
Robert Nix - drums, Bobby Goldsboro - guitar, Barry Booth - piano, band
director, Paul Garrison - drums, Billy Sandford - lead guitar, Billy
Gilmore - bass and John R. Atkins - guitar.
However, according to http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/ the Atlanta
Rhythm Section was the "brainchild of songwriter-producer Buddy Buie-a
former member of Roy Orbison's Candymen and the pop band Classics IV".
Yet no mention of Buie in above listing. Or did he assume another name
here?
Then, according to http://tinyurl.com/4ujrx Rodney Justo says "When
Bobby (Goldsboro) scored a hit of his own called 'See the Funny Little
Clown', Roy asked if I would take his place. The thought of making less
money than I was already making appealed to me immediately, so off I
went to see the world." Again, no mention of Justo in above listing, yet
he apparently went on the road as a Candy Man. Then the site says: "The
Candymen managed to sneak in a top 40 hit with a song called 'Georgia
Pines' which naturally meant Roy wasn't long for this world and needed
to start looking for another back-up band.".
http://www.alamhof.org/buiebud.htm goes back to the origins of the
band: "Buddy Buie's career started in his hometown of Dothan with boyhood
friend Bobby Goldsboro who had formed a band known as the Webs. The band
learned that Roy Orbison would be coming to Dothan, they learned his songs
so well that Roy asked them to become his touring band. Thus, the Candymen
were born and Buie became Orbison's tour manager as well. Buie had been
writing songs for the Webs and this continued with the Candymen and Roy
Orbison."
Are these people just assuming that the Candy Men and the Candymen are the
same band? If they are indeed the same band, how come one of the leading
Orbison sites on the Net is apparently not aware of these people as members
of the Candy Men, in spite of the fact that their names are all over the
Web? Questions, questions, questions, floating in the mind of the concerned
young citizen of today...
Eddy
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:46:50 -0600
From: Leslie Fradkin
Subject: Re: The New Rascals
David Coyle wrote:
> I'm going to see the Turtles, the Grass Roots and the "New Rascals"
> at the Ohio State Fair this week... Has anyone seen the New Rascals?
> What do they do for a lead singer, considering the two best known
> voices of the Rascals are not there?
Last time I was living in NYC, I worked with Jeff Blankensop who had
been doing Felix's bit for Gene & Dino. If it's him still in the fold,
he's a great organist and singer, right in that same pocket. So you
won't be disapointed.
Regards,
Les Fradkin
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:46:19 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: U.S.A Records (Chicago)
Thanks - my 45 has pen scribbles on it, making it hard to see who
wrote it. I found it stuck between two albums in a rack of LP's.
How it wound up in Wichita is anyones guess.
It's a fine piece of Chicago pop - very much inspired by Major
Lance's "Monkey Time" and Curtis Mayfield's productions at the time.
I can understand why the Northern Soul croud liked it. I will upload
it when theres room on musica.
Billy
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:59:12 -0000
From: Tom K.
Subject: Claude Francois "Bench No. 3 On Waterloo Station"
Hi there. I've been getting a lot recently into the music of the
legendary french singer Claude Francois (pronounced "clod fronswah"),
national hero and sort-of their Elvis (down to the untimely late-70s
death). One of the most interesting things i've discovered though is
that several times in the 60s and 70s he attempted to break the UK
and US markets with a series of English-language records. He kind of
succeeded in 1976 with the so-sugary-it-made-your-teeth-drop-out
Tears On The Telephone but unfortunately he was killed soon after
while working on the BBC TV series that should have meant his
international breakthrough.
Anyway, I recently discovered a song he recorded and released in
England in 1966 on the Fontana label titled Bench No. 3 at Waterloo
Station. A brilliant mid-tempo northern soul-meets-lounge sound with
a touch of the Kinks, which I guess sold next to nothing.
Nevertheless, it's a great song with a real narrative, and it was
apparently also recorded by The Artwoods, but i can't find hide nor
hair of it... Does anyone know where I can find this version and/or
a better quality mp3 of the song than at http://clocloweb.free.fr/ ?
I fear that all the vinyl copies that are out there are in the hands
of French collectors that wouldn't part with them for love nor
money... Oh well. Just out of interest, the above-mentioned song was
apparently written by someone called Filter de Luxe - that has to be
a pseudonym right? Anyone know for who? Thanks.
Tom K
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:22:42 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: 15 Fab Hicks
S.J. Dibai wrote:
> The Repertoire CD has the first, and somewhat sloppy, take of it.
> There is a 'proper' take, but it was issued only on the extremely
> rare '5 + 10 = 15 Fabulous Hits' LP in 1965.
Steve Harvey:
> I remember that LP only because the back cover had shots of Chad
> and Jeremy except for one of Peter and Gordon some joker snuck in.
> Kinda like the Fender Hamburgalar on the Fotofinish basses.
That "5+10=15" Lp was on some Fido label (or something like that).
What was wild about that, is that you get "If I Loved You" with
either Chad or Jeremy cussing at the end. Took me by surprise!
Clark
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:50:15 -0600
From: Leslie Fradkin
Subject: Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
Niels Chr Junker-Poulsen wrote:
> I just can't seem to find any info on Don(ald) Thomas. He was a guitar
> player and is to be heard on sessions in New York in the mid-sixties.
> But also with The Monkees, I believe. Anybody got any info on Mr.
> Thomas? Sessions he did participate in. Where did he come from? His
> whereabouts since then? etc.
I'm old friends with Don Thomas. He now runs Creative Services Music
Company, which specializes in Jingle production. He played lead guitar
on my 1970 MGM/Sunflower single "Song Of A Thousand Voices" (SUN-101)
which I had out under the name "Fearless Fradkin." A great guy and a
very good guitarist.
Regards,
Les Fradkin
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:23:55 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
Previously;
> I just can't seem to find any info on Don(ald) Thomas. He was a guitar
> player and is to be heard on sessions in New York in the mid-sixties.
> But also with The Monkees, I believe.
I'm a believer that most, if not all of the Monkees sessions were cut
in LA.
Austin R.
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:25:16 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: "Like A Rolling Stone"
Norm D wrote:
> There's been a short series on BBC Radio 4 called "Soul Music". It
> looks at the cultural / social / personal significance of songs
> that have become part of a wider public consciousness. Today's half-
> hour episode featured "Like A Rolling Stone". There was quite a bit
> of studio chit-chat and early run-throughs of the song (I've never
> heard any of that before), and contributions from, amongst others,
> Al Kooper, who told how this recording session led to his new career
> as an organ player. A great half-hour programme at 1.30 in the
> afternoon! The programme is archived at:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/soulmusic.shtml
Norm, I found this to be quite a cool piece. At least the first 15
minutes and Al Kooper's comments. The beginning of the earliest
incarnation of "Like a Rolling Stone" as displayed in this show
certainly does ask, "How did they make ANYTHING listenable out of
this?" Thanks for supplying it.
Clark
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:36:50 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: The Candymen
Al Kooper:
> They evolved into the Atlanta Rhythym Section - same drummer,
> bassist and keyboardist. Rodney Justo lasted one album in that
> configuration.
Thanks Al. Also, I heard that you played on Sweet Home Alabam,
is this true?
Best, Austin Roberts
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:29:33 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Peppermint Rainbow/Higher Elevation/Danny Holien
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> Clark B, I too loved "Roberta" when it was out (along with its
> B-side, "Bust Song.") And I checked Osborne about the Peppermint
> Rainbow -- they did indeed make only one LP. And do you have The
> Higher Elevation's other single, "Here Comes Sunshine"? Could it
> possibly be as supergroovy as "Summer Skies"? And could you play
> that or "Georgia Pines" by The Candymen (I've never heard it! I've
> got the Candy Power album, which is pretty cool but I've never
> heard the one song they made the Top 10 in Atlanta with!) to musica?
Bobster, looks like others have taken care of your requests.
Colorado's Higher Elevation song "Here Comes Sunshine" is not nearly
as good as "Summer Skies", but I'll see if I can dig it out. I could
likely post the later Peppermint Rainbow songs to musica if wished.
When I think of Colorado artists, Danny Holien's minor hit, "Colorado",
comes to mind. I really loved the song when it was out and it is one
of the few Hot 100 hits still not on CD. Anyone else love this song?
Clark
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 18:25:46 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: Anne Murray & The Small Circle Of Friends
Hi all,
Billy hit paydirt at the thrift store recently with the Eighth Day
promo for cheap (nice price for a record full of Dante and Artie
Butler), and I am quite happy with my $1.00 find yesterday...
If this hasn't been discussed before, let me say that the "Talk It
Over In The Morning" LP by Anne Murray (1971) is a very good record
all the way through. 10 songs - all good, and one which I bought the
record for because of the writing credits...
"Talk It Over In The Morning" (the title track has caused my head to
spin like Linda Blair) could be the missing track on The Match's "A
New Light" LP. Yes, it's Earth's genius, Roger Nichols (P. Williams
co- on this one).
This record may be old news to you guys and girls, but to me it might
be the Canadian "Italian Graffiti".
Billy, hopefully you and all Texan S'poppers survived the floods
unharmed.
Best to all,
Brent Cash
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:46:25 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Re: U.S.A Records (Chicago)
Billy G. Spradlin:
> Didn't Jim Holvay write the Buckinghams' hits "Kind of A Drag"
> and "Don't You Care?"
Yes, that and more.
Re: Mike Tomasetti:
As Jim has already mentioned, Tomasetti went on to sing with the
Neighborhood, which had the hit on "Big Yellow Taxi".
He also had the following:
Mike Tomasetti (Constellation 126)
She's The One/Marlene
Mike & Michael (Constellation 156)
My Neighborhood/Where Have You Been (prod: Jim Holvay)
Tomasetti & Cavallo (label?)
Candy And Me/ ?
gem
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:39:43 EDT
From: Paul Richards
Subject: Re: Claude Francois "Bench No. 3 On Waterloo Station"
Thanks Tom for the Claude link, nice track. I've got a greatest
hits package of his, my favourites being the camp disco tracks
'Alexandrie, Alexandra', 'Magnolias for ever' & 'Je Vais a Rio'.
I must get round to buying a DVD collection of his stuff.
Paul
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:26:54 -0000
From: Dave O'Gara
Subject: Northern Soul
G. Spradlin wrote:
> It's a fine piece of Chicago pop - very much inspired by Major
> Lance's "Monkey Time" and Curtis Mayfield's productions at the
> time. I can understand why the Northern Soul croud liked it.
>From time to time, I see these references to Northern Soul. Forgive
my ignorance for this question, but I was wondering if Northern Soul
is simply R&B recorded above the Mason/Dixon line. Or does this term
refer specifically to a certain area like Chicago, in the same way
that Muscle Shoals or Stax represent a more Southern Soul sound?
I'm sure your answers will help me more fully enjoy the postings
here on S-pop. Thanks,
Dave 0'
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:05:51 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: The Candymen / Roy Orbison
Phil X Milstein:
> Wasn't The Candymen the name of Roy Orbison's backing group?
> If so, was it a different Candymen than the one that turned
> into Atlanta Rhythm Section? Also, why am I confusing The
> Candymen with the group that became The Allman Brothers? Maybe
> they had a candy-related name, too, such as Allman Joy or
> something like that.
Eddy:
> Totally different band backing Orbison! Here's a list of the people
> that at one point or another were members of Orbison's Candy Men:
> Dewey Martin - drums, Robert Nix - drums, Bobby Goldsboro - guitar,
> Barry Booth - piano, band director, Paul Garrison - drums, Billy
> Sandford - lead guitar, Billy Gilmore - bass and John R. Atkins -
> guitar.... Although as far as I can see it is not the same band,
> apparently two members actually toured with Orbison as well. So this
> may need a little more investigation.
The Candymen are credited on the "Oh! Pretty Woman" single, although
I'm not sure they actually played on it. Either way, maybe someone can
answer a question about that recording:
The song's biggest "hook" was obviously all those guitars banging out
that eight-note E7 riff in unison - e,e,g#,b,d,f#,e,d. Listening to
the recoird closely, it sounds like the bass player tried to muscle up
the song by changing the last three notes. At the F# he drops an
octave, back to the fourth string instead of the second where the rest
of the group was. This puts the D note below the range of his axe, so
he substitutes a G#. Am I the only one who hears this? I'm not sure
anyone who ever toured with Orbison ever played this.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:08:37 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: The Allman Joys
The Allman Joys was but one of the many evolutions of the Allman
Brothers before they achieved their fame. Wouldn't I kill for
the Hour Glass collection!
Bobster
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:10:16 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop
Don Drysdale is making his Spectropop debut as the vocalist on
"One Love", Jack Nitzsche's Record Of The Week, currently playing
on the Home Page:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
My review guesses that despite Jack's typical high standards he
was 'paying the rent' with this release. However a pal's opinion
is much more sympathetic to the recording:
"....Don comes across as sincere. And Jack's arrangement is straight
from his Paris Sisters' days, the acoustic intro and the string lines
are appropriately sensitive, without overshadowing the vocal and are
of a higher quality than just 'rattled off'."
Judge for yourself. At the same time checkout Celebrities On Record:
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/recordreviews.htm#celebs
It's a new feature on Jack's recordings with celebs, inspired by
an amusing email from Denny Bruce. Artists covered are Don
Drysdale, Roosevelt Grier, Soupy Sales and Gail Martin.
Martin
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:56:58 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Gary Criss / Epic Splendor
Thanks to Joe Nelson for playing Gary Criss's "Little Joe" to musica.
Excellent "Brill Building" style recording. Nice one Al. Did you
originally have this pitched towards Motown's Contours? I'm severely
lacking in the Criss record dept. A few pals have suggested this is a
situation that should be rectified.
Regarding Epic Splendor, my picture sleeved promo :-) only lists the
A-Side "It Could Be So Wonderful" as arranged Trade Martin. "She's
High..." credits the arranger as John Boylan, who along with James
Foley produced both sides.
Martin
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:37:08 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: The Epic Splendor
Bob Rashkow:
> Hot Biscuit Disc Company brought us The Epic Splendor, which
> I haven't heard since December 1967...
Joe Nelson wrote:
> Since we're on the subject and there's space, I've posted the
> B side of "It Could Be Wonderful" to Musica, "She's High On
> Life". One wonders why Capitol is sitting on these tapes -
> there is interest in the tracks.
Joe, It would be cool to hear the Epic Splendor in stereo if
tapes exist. "A Little Rain Must Fall" certainly made Boss
Radio KHJ's top 30 and that was no small fete in 1967! The one
I love is "It Could be Wonderful". Our local Dodge City, Ks.
station, KEDD, played it when it was out in summer of 67. It
sounded like a Buckinghams record, which sold me. Had no idea
the Smoke did it. Some of the Smoke's songs are really great
pop, not just psychedelic like the great "My Friend Jack".
"Waterfall" by the Smoke is just beautiful.
Clark
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:11:07 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: The Neighborhood
James Holvay mentioned The Neighborhood and their hit cover of "Big
Yellow Taxi". Are they the same group who recorded the great Four
Seasons sounding 45 "Why Can't You See" for Bullet Records? Writer
and producer Al Tigro with A&R by Virtue/Stiles.
Martin
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:52:42 -0600
From: Leslie Fradkin
Subject: Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
Previously;
> I just can't seem to find any info on Don(ald) Thomas. He was
> a guitar player and is to be heard on sessions in New York in
> the mid-sixties. But also with The Monkees, I believe.
Austin Roberts:
> I'm a believer that most, if not all of the Monkees sessions
> were cut in LA.
But Don Thomas is the fuzz guitarist on "A Little Bit Me, A Little
Bit You". This is well documented in Rhino re-issues and this was
a NYC session. In fact, this session (which also yielded "She")
was one of the reasons Mike Nesmith lost his temper at Don Kirshner
and screamed for Monkee independence.
Les
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:14:10 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Bert Berns' British productions
Niels Chr Junker-Poulsen wrote:
> Mick Patrick wrote May 12 2003 about a new release including
> Bert Berns' British productions. Whatever happened to that?
> Has it been released or will it be? And has anyone got the
> track listing?
Ah, someone's been scouring the S'pop Archives. Good on yer,
Niels.
It transpires that CD was a pipedream. Shame.
Bert Berns produced enough tracks in the UK to fill an entire
CD. Here's a list of the artists concerned: Gerry Levene,
Johnny B. Great, the Orchids, the Redcaps, Brenda & Johnny,
Elaine & Derek, Lulu, Moses K. & the Prophets and . . . Them.
With no love lost between that grouch Van Morrison and the
late Bert Berns, the former Them frontman's vital co-operation
in such a project is unlikely, to say the least.
The tracklist exists only in my mind.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:11:10 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Ellie Greenwich
There's been lots to impress on Spectropop recently but, while
I'm in a flurry of writing, I must give a big thank you for the
Ellie Greenwich re-print:
http://www.spectropop.com/EllieGreenwich/index.htm
Martin
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