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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Angels "A Halo To You" LP
From: Paul Urbahns
2. Re: Kenny Chandler
From: Gary Myers
3. Help needed with song title/lyrics
From: Mac Joseph
4. Re: Demensions' "Over The Rainbow"
From: Austin Roberts
5. Re: Deep Stardust
From: Austin Roberts
6. Re: Rick Lancelot
From: Charles Ulrich
7. Re: Paris Sisters' "Be My Boy"
From: Adam G.
8. Re: Collectors Choice Music
From: Larry Shell
9. Re: Jordan Bros
From: James Botticelli
10. Very rare Innocents on musica
From: Country Paul
11. More Pop Oldies Hidden In TV/Cartoon Themes
From: Mark Hill
12. Re: Buying reissue CDs
From: James Botticelli
13. Re: Platters
From: Austin Roberts
14. Re: Nashville Combos of the '50s-'70s
From: Karen Andrew
15. Re: Hippies?
From: Karen Andrew
16. Release dates
From: Bill
17. Re: Barbara Ruskin
From: markt439
18. Paul Evans
From: Wes Smith
19. Canadian CDs - Why are they off of vinyl?
From: markt439
20. Re: The Sands Of Time
From: Billy G. Spradlin
21. Re: Buying reissue CDs
From: Billy G. Spradlin
22. Re: Elvis's influences
From: Mike McKay
23. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
From: Martin Roberts
24. Tootie and the Bouquets at Musica (again!)
From: Joe Nelson
25. I'm ba-a-ack /on American Idol
From: Artie Wayne
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 13:00:43 EDT
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: The Angels "A Halo To You" LP
I was reading The Angels web site and they have a brief album
discography but no song contents. What was on their second Smash
album "A Halo To You"? Also some said their album "The Angels Sing
12 of Their Greatest Hits" on ASCOT was the same album as on
Caprice. Anyone have the Halo album and can confirm its contents?
Thanks
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 10:27:20 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Kenny Chandler
Dave O'Gara:
> Does anyone have any info on Kenny Chandler?
I did a story on him for Discoveries Mag in '97, and I just spoke
to him a few weeks ago. He had been in and out of performing music,
had done some acting (which he was pursuing in '97, but I don't
think much has happened for him in that regard since then). Nice
guy, enjoyable to speak with, always seems to be working on
something new and "on the verge" of something. A fun thing that came
up during our 1997 interview was that he had come into the club I
was playing in Fargo, ND in '62 while he was touring there. There
was only one club in town with live music and it was only about two
blocks from the auditorium, so a bunch of them came over after the
show. Carlo of the Belmonts came up and sang with us.
gem
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 10:25:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mac Joseph
Subject: Help needed with song title/lyrics
I have a musical question. I posed this question a few months ago,
but got no response, so I am trying this again. I am looking for
the title of a song from a garage band from the sixties. The only
lyrics that I remember are "when I was with you girl, I made the
grade," "but since you've gone, I've had it made". Can anybody help
me on this? Thanks much in advance.
Mac Joseph
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 13:27:27 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Demensions' "Over The Rainbow"
Paul Levinson:
> But I'm 99% sure that Irving Spice did the arrangement -- another
> kindly old guy with great ears. He was a violin player.
Possibly the musical arrangement, but my friend says he knows for
sure the 'kid' did the vocal arrangement. Anyway, an incredible record!
Best, Austin Roberts
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 13:32:23 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Deep Stardust
> I give my vote, also for "Stardust" and "Deep Purple," as done by
> Billy Ward's Dominoes, as two of the great lost classics of all time.
And of course the Marcells' BLUE MOON!
Austin R.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:13:39 -0700
From: Charles Ulrich
Subject: Re: Rick Lancelot
Sean:
> I saw a few of Rick Lancelot's singles on the web but it says that
> they are promotional copies so they were probably never released.
> And he recorded under 20th Century, some of his songs were
> "Heartbreak Train" "That's My Bag" and "For You". I also have seen
> him on Shindig! and Shivaree.
Is the Rick Lancelot that you're asking about the same person as the
Ricky Lancelotti that I asked about a few weeks ago? Check out the
photos at http://www.united-mutations.com/l/ricky_lancelotti.htm
and http://w1.858.telia.com/~u85821131/misc/illegal.html
If it's the same guy, I can tell you that he recorded lead vocals on
four Frank Zappa/Mothers songs in 1973. "Zomby Woof" and "Fifty-Fifty"
are on Over-nite Sensation, "For The Young Sophisticate" is on Läther,
and "Wonderful Wino" is on The Lost Episodes. He was born in New Jersey,
circa 1947. He died on April 7, 1980.
The first link above has additional information, though I can't vouch
for its accuracy.
Armed with this new name, I did some more web searching. I found
mention of the following singles by Rick Lancelot:
Ain't That Soul/Sick Chick (Peppermint Stick Records PS 2000, 1964)
Hoo Doo Man (RCA-Victor, 1965)
Heartbreak Train (RCA 8564)
The Rebel Yell/You Took The Words (Right Out Of My Mouth) (Turban T-2)
For You/That's My Bag (20th Century 549)
I also found a reference to Rick Lancelot & the 7 Knights, so you may
want to pursue that.
--Charles
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 22:21:14 -0000
From: Adam G.
Subject: Re: Paris Sisters' "Be My Boy"
>From Mike McKay;
> I just want to say how much I love this song. Don't know why, but
> it really gets to me. And for some reason, I can hear in my mind's
> ear a remake (obviously with a sex change) by The Beach Boys, with
> some trademark close harmonies on the title phrase. I think it'd be
> a killer. I've had it in mind to try this myself via multi-tracking,
> and I just may someday.
Mike, the Lettermen beat you to the punch back on their album "A
Lettermen Kind Of Love". They did the song exactly as you describe.
Matter of fact, they did it as a 4-part harmony; Gary Pike, who later
joined the guys full time, added his voice to those of Jim, Tony and
Bob. Really nice version. He did the same for another track on that
album, "Dearly Beloved".
Adam G
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:32:07 -0400
From: Larry Shell
Subject: Re: Collectors Choice Music
I don't buy much from CCM, most of their prices are usually higher than
elsewhere and their website always loads slow even with my cable
connection. I just got an email from them the other day announcing a
sale on many of the releases on their own CCM label including The
Association, Dean Martin and many others. Looks like I'll be giving them
a order for a few of these titles. You can check the sale out at:
http://www.ccmusic.com/index.cfm?referral=51104html&goto=room&identifier=103
This has been a public service announcement! ;-)
Larry Shell
Lurker in residence
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:10:42 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Jordan Bros
Dave O'Gara wrote:
> The song Heart that sounds familiar to you charted in 1963 by Kenny
> Chandler, on Laurie Records I believe.
It was Laurie Records....I used to play its flipside called "Wait For
Me" as a signoff song on my obscure oldies show back in the 80's.
JB
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 00:58:16 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Very rare Innocents on musica
With a little help from my friend, I've played The Innocents' "Tick Tock" to
musica.
Paraphrasing and quoting from Rob Finnis' liner notes to the 1992 Ace CD
"The Innocents: The Complete Indigo Recordings":
"Honest I Do," their first hit ("#28 in the autumn of 1960") was produced by
Gary Paxton and Kim Fowley, who sold the master to Indigo. Finnis: "At this
point Paxton and Fowley were eased out of the picture and Jim Lee, Indigo's
23-year-old producer-cum-factotum, took charge of the group's records. (Not
to be thwarted, Fowley and Paxton took two tracks left over from the 'Honest
I Do' session - 'Tick Tock' and 'The Rut' - to another local label,
TransWorld. We were unable to locate them for inclusion in this CD.)"
>From Jim West, lead voice of the Innocents, to me, April 7, 2003:
"Tick Tock" was put out on TransWorld - produced by Gary Paxton, Kim Fowley
and Bobby Rey. They also produced 'Honest I Do' and the flipside 'My Baby
Hully Gullys.' When we signed with Indigo Records and 'Honest I Do' started
charting, they released 'Tick Tock.' We never did other recordings on
TransWorld."
"The Rut" is, IMO, an okay instrumental; but "Tick Tock" is a monumental
rock ballad, possibly my favorite track by one of my favorite vocal groups.
To my knowledge, it has never been on CD - but it's playing right now on
musica. Hope you enjoy it!
By the way, there's more, including the group's new CD (!), at
http://www.theinnocentsmusic.com
Country Paul
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:14:40 -0400
From: Mark Hill
Subject: More Pop Oldies Hidden In TV/Cartoon Themes
We had some posts about pop oldies being "hidden" in some TV/cartoon
themes.
David Coyle writes:
> "Should I" by the Stringalongs. // The beginning of the melody sounded
> awfully familiar! It's the "Itchy And Scratchy Show" theme from "The
> Simpsons"! ("They fight, they fight, they fight and fight and fight...")
Is it possible? I'd say the practice was... possible, inevitable and
ubiquitous. For instance, there is a new cartoon show on the SPIKE
Network called, "This Just In." If a friend hadn't just given me a home
made disc of impossible to find oldies, I'd have never recognized that
the theme's riff was (I surmise) cribbed from DICKIE LEE's- "(She's)
Walkin' Away."
I've got another one:
Just heard this on the same set of CR-R oldies a friend made for me that
had the DICKIE LEE- She's Running Away.
TITUS TURNER- Sound-Off (01-61) #77
It had that "I've heard it before/but I probably HAVEN'T heard it before"
sound. I'm pretty sure, "Sound Off" isn't played too frequently on oldies
radio.
Well... go and take a listen.
The opening DRUM BEATS were "borrowed" and used in the theme (also
opening drum beats) for the TV cartoon, "George Of The Jungle." I mean,
it's like one beat off.
And the whole song was borrowed off by The Sherman Brothers and used
as the blueprint for "Colonel Hathi's March" in the 1967 Disney cartoon
THE JUNGLE BOOK. It has the whole "HUP, 02 , 03 , 04 ..." thing in it. Too
close for coincidence.
Listen and see. You can probably play 'em in your head and line up the
similarities.
JUNGLE BOOK was the first "all-modern" Disney film, using name actors as
voices and modern pop culture references. Like the BEATLE-esque vultures
that were even voiced by (Chad and Jeremy- I think.) So the cribbing
doesn't surprise me.
Wow, I love this stuff.
As for the GEORGE OF THE JUNGLE theme- This guy dabled in music and
recorded at least one LP:
SHELDON ALLMAN- In 1967, during one productive afternoon at Jay Ward
Productions, he co-wrote the theme songs to George of the Jungle, Tom
Slick and Superchicken. Earlier, in 1963 he had written the theme music
for Let's Make A Deal, and prior to that was the singing voice for Mr.
Ed.
Hear the whole LP here (may be changed since I saved the link):
http://www.danacountryman.com/sheldon/allman/Album.html
I wonder if there's any chance that Sheldon was the WRITER of "Sound
Off"?
> Any chance that Sheldon was the WRITER of "Sound Off"?
I'm answering my own question. It seems that "Sound Off" is a REMAKE!!!
A #3 hit for VAUGHN MONROE in 1951!!!! So, maybe the Sherman Brothers
copied from this original version???? I've gotta find the original now...
You learn something new every day!
"Dr. Mark" Hill
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:13:34 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Buying reissue CDs
superoldies wrote:
> The SLOWEST service I've found of all of the mail-order/reissue
> companies is Collectables. Unless you get their $7.50 1st class
> service expect the CDs to take their 14 days.
Collector's Choice is even slower, trust me.
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 13:37:35 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Platters
Previously:
> When it came to perfection, The Skyliners were pretty amazing. But
> don't forget the world champion Platters with the unearthly lead
> vocals of Tony Williams. Masterpieces. Every one of those singles
> and the albums were amazing as well...
I agree; Tony Williams, in my opinion had the greatest voice of
anyone ever in pop/rock and roll history.
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 19:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Andrew
Subject: Re: Nashville Combos of the '50s-'70s
Nick Archer:
> There's a great web site that I stumbled upon - Nashville Combos
> of the 50s-70s, at http://nashlinks.com/sixties.htm Chip Curley,
> a combo member, put up the site. Many pictures, and don't miss the
> bands' business cards at the bottom. I especially like "The
> Ministers Of Sound- Specialists In The Field Of Music".
Thanks for the info. I esp. love the first photo. Typical equipment
setup for the sixties. Why did they have a bunch of fake (?) plants
in the background?
Karen
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 20:04:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Andrew
Subject: Re: Hippies?
Alan "Albabe" Gordon wrote:
> "Where do all the "Hippies" meet?"
> If any of you "Hippies" wanna meet for a drink someplace in the
> original city of Hippy Hipness and reminisce about those great
> "Age of Aquarius" concerts in the Golden Gate Park band shell,
> please get back to me.
Yep, I think you're right - the hippie center is San Francisco. Alas,
I was too late when I went to Haight Ashbury district in 1971 where
I expected to see hippies. I didn't see any-I was extremely
disappointed. I think they had disappeared by then or maybe they were
all "asleep"? I think I did see some in Golden Gate Park. But, I just
loved visiting SF and I did feel the spirit of the hippies, etc. SF
is a unique place-my favorite city!
Karen (Help I'm struck in Cincinnati) Andrew
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 01:19:45 -0000
From: Bill
Subject: Release dates
Hello Members,
Below is a list of Artists and labels I need release dates for. Anyone
with info on any of these please contact me or post. They are all
45rpm and all diff. kinds of music.
Thank You
Bill the vinylspinner
LABEL ARTIST TITLE
Power c-13a-Jennie Feathers-All Alone am I
Power c-13b-Pat Vale-Warmed Over Kisses
Hi-Way 212-Gospel Hi-Lites-Oh Hush
Hi-Way 209-Hi-Lites-God is Blessing
Dano lb001-Danny Michaels-Howard are you Still Alive
Rustic r100-Tom Cunningham-I Don't Remember
Golden Ring gr3035-Rene Waters-Pass a Bale on Down
Elmtree 84/85-Bobby Lee and the Travelers-Smoke Filled Bar
Cypher c103-Some Other Animal-All Alone on the Highway
Parrish pr103-The Klansmen-Why Did You Leave Me
Stumbling s251-Jimmy Lester-Peddeling Her Pretty Body
Brooms 4-Johnny Reitz and Orch.-Rain
Gateway 166 (EP)-Roy-Cliffs-Christmas Songs
Klub cr3116-Louis & Audrey Stamey-Spanish Guitar Strip
Woodall 1000-Norman Summers-Take Me With You
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 04:50:14 -0000
From: markt439
Subject: Re: Barbara Ruskin
Previously:
> ...found illustrating S'pop's latest feature article "Barbara Ruskin:
> An Illustrated UK Discography". Among her collection of photographs
> were some terrific shots taken in 1965 by legendary snapper Dezo
> Hoffman.
> View discography here:
> http://www.spectropop.com/BarbaraRuskin/index.htm
> and one of the Hoffman prints here:
> http://www.spectropop.com
Mick Patrick:
> As you'll see if you visit her page, Barbara released 16 singles
> during her career. I think I'm right in saying she wrote all but
> three of the 32 songs herself...
So, when can we look for a nice 32 track Barbara Ruskin CD?
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 01:35:22 -0000
From: Wes Smith
Subject: Paul Evans
I can't believe that my favorite Paul Evans song never hit the
Billboard charts for even one lousy week! That would be "HUSHABYE,
LITTLE GUITAR", which certainly got it's share of play on radio
station surveys in my area. Anyone fortunate enough to hear this
in STEREO would be in for a treat. GREAT RECORD!
Wes Smith
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 05:02:37 -0000
From: markt439
Subject: Canadian CDs - Why are they off of vinyl?
I have the following CDs from Canada, which all came from vinyl:
Made in Canada - 04 Volume set issued in early 90s
2 Terry Black LPs - both off vinyl, neither with singles added
Guess Who - Their 3 pre-RCA LPs
The Staccatos - EMI Northern Heritage Series
Are all of the master tapes gone or are the companies putting these
things out too lazy to track down the tapes? Anyone know?
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 06:09:31 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: The Sands Of Time
Previously:
> Plucked from the S'pop Public Bulletin Board:
>
> Does anyone have info on Tony Hatch-produced group the Sands Of
> Time and their 1967 song "Where Did We Go Wrong" on Pye Records?
> I think this was only released in England, and they are not the
> North American group of the same name.
A great song and a terrific production - It's on the "Call Me: The
Songs of Tony Hatch" collection from Castle Music. I played it 7
times in a row before I yanked my headphones off!
Billy
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 06:02:35 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: Buying reissue CDs
I have had fast and freindly (over the phone) service with Collectors
Choice, and I'm grateful for their reissues of many fine albums,
including reissuing the Assoication catalog in the USA, and The dB's
and Three O' Clock (excellent 80's bands).
My only gripe is thier CD pricing is sometimes 1-5 dollars higher
than other online stores. I suggest pricing around other online
stores before buying from them. Amazon.com carries many Collectors
Choices reissues so check there first.
Billy
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 01:18:28 EDT
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Elvis's influences
Joe Nelson wrote:
> Elvis Presley tended to copy his demos exactly, yet could reinterpret
> with the best of them.
Well, Elvis soaked up musical influences like a sponge from all
quarters.
There's a great moment in the course of the "Million Dollar Quartet"
sessions at Sun when Elvis is telling Carl Perkins and Jerry Lee Lewis
about seeing a Billy Ward and the Dominoes show during his disastrous
stint in Las Vegas. The Dominoes performed a version of "Don't Be
Cruel," and Elvis relates with great delight how their singer (who
would have been Jackie Wilson at that point) over-enunciated the line
"at least please...tel-e-phone."
It obviously really tickled him, since he goes on about it at great
length. And sure enough, in subsequent live performances of "Don't Be
Cruel," you hear Elvis enunciating that line exactly the same way!
Mike
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:43:30 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
I guess there are folk who are knowlegdeable enough to name
the producer, writer, label boss, in fact all round clever dick,
who released a 45 in the late 50s using the alias Mark Robinson.
But did you know he had a second try using this name in 1962 with
a record arranged by Jack Nitzsche? Intrigued? Then shuffle over
to http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm and give it
a listen.
Martin
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 12:39:43 -0000
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Tootie and the Bouquets at Musica (again!)
A few months back, someone posted "The Conquereor" to Musica. It
served on this end as a reminder that I'd picked up the record at an
antique store a couple of years back although I'd never listened to
it.
I saw some space open up, so as a thank you I'm posting the B
side, "You Done Me Wrong", for those here who (like me) cling to
every note of the spectacular retro pop that this group is about.
Enjoy!
Joe Nelson
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 07:55:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: I'm ba-a-ack /on American Idol
First........ I want to thank everyone who's contacted me offline
to inquire about my health. I'm getting better everyday....no
painkillers...no other medication for 7 months now!! unfortunately
my carpel tunnel syndrom makes it difficult to type e-mails.
As someone who loved music in the 60's......who for 30 years, wrote,
produced, published and promoted what some of us call "Real Songs",
I'm excited that in midst of a rather dismal and depressing musical
landscape, an island of hope has emerged....American Idol. Although
some dismiss it as just a talent show it has inspired the passion of
a nation.....a nation at war. A nation that has historically relied
on music to express far deeper emotions than mere words could ever
say.
We all can thank two Englishmen, who created American Idol, Simon
Fuller and Simon Cowell for reviving interest in "The Singer" and
"The Song" [what a concept]. They've discovered half-a-dozen artists
who are having hits ....with another half-a-dozen waiting in the
wings.
I hope you all will consider watching American Idol Tuesday night on
FOX. It's down to the 3 final contestants....each of whom could be
stars. Clive Davis, CEO of the the label that releases Idol artists,
will give each singer a song he thinks will be a hit for them to
perform...combined with songs, regular judges, Randy Jackson, Paula
Abdul, Simon Cowell and the contestants select for themselves. This
should make for a great show....and incredible showcase for the kind
of songs we love and miss.
I couldn't have picked a better time to come back into the music
buisness as a publisher and songwriting consultant. I'm so excited,
I'm even writing a new song with Toni Wine!!
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/
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