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Spectropop V#0304

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 08/12/99

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       Volume #0304                         August 12, 1999   
                      Tomorrow's Sound-Today                  
    Subject:     Jerry Riopelle/Clydie King
    Received:    08/12/99 6:15 am
    From:        WILLIAM STOS,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    > [Phil] heard a record I 
    > made with Larry Levine at Gold Star with Clydie King 
    > singing a song of mine called The Thrill is Gone. It was a
    > blatant imitation of Phil's sound but a pretty good one. 
    Jerry! I had no idea you produced Clydie King's the Thrill
    is Gone! Now you hold two spots in my top ten favourites of
    all time! Check out the very bottom of my guestbook page 
    at my website:
    and you'll see I list Clydie King's The Thrill Is Gone as my 
    favourite Girl Group Song of all time! Clydie's voice is 
    the closest thing to perfection I've heard. Tell me, did 
    you have any involvement in other similar sounding Clydie
    numbers like "Missing My Baby" and "If You Were A Man"? She 
    did some more soul inspired stuff that sounds good, but these 
    recordings and Bonnie and the Treasures' records blow me 
    away more than most Spector records. A Phil rip-off or not, 
    I think you topped him on a couple of these!!! Can you 
    tell me if Clydie King was also known as Clyde Kirk who 
    was occasionally recording with the Crystals? Also, where 
    can I find more of your work? Home of The Brave, The 
    Thrill Is Gone, Close Your Eyes! If these are any 
    representation, then I simply must hear more!
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    Subject:     Jerry R. & Home of the Brave
    Received:    08/12/99 6:15 am
    From:        Mark Landwehr,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Jerry Riopelle wrote:
    > There never was a Ronettes version as far as I know. He
    > would have mentioned that. When it became a hit he acted
    > as if HE made the record in a Gavin interview and he
    > surely would have mentioned a Ronettes arrangement at that
    > point. I was amazed at how he was acting and I've been told
    > there are some compilations out there without my credits.
    > He wasn't even there when I cut it but he did give me the
    > song and I did steal his sound as best I could.
    Knowing of Phil's knack for "embellishment" I am not 
    surprised at all, Jerry...And, he did give himself 
    producer credit on the Phil Spector International UK 
    single of "Home of the Brave." Thanks for your input.
    Phil Spector Label Galxxxxxp://
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    Subject:     The "E" is Gone
    Received:    08/12/99 6:15 am
    From:        Keiko Kondo,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Dear Mr. Riopelle,
    As soon as I read your posting I went to home and listened
    to "The Thrill Is Gone" several times. It's great and Nick 
    De Caro arrangement is fine. I love the percussion and 
    especially the do-do-do background chorus. That is Hal 
    Blaine on drums right?
    btw, I was looking at the 45 label and noticed your name 
    has no e at the end (Riopell). Was that mistake or did you
    spell that way on purpose?
    I'm so glad you joined the list. 
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    Subject:     Don't know yet
    Received:    08/12/99 6:15 am
    From:        Carol Kaye,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hi Steve, not sure if I played on that Ringo tune or not, 
    have that question going out to Russ Wapensky who will 
    check his data base contract lists. How are you?
    And Jerry, wasn't that cute, side by side! Everyone-- 
    whatever Jerry says, that's for REAL, he's had the 
    greatest integrity of anyone I know in the music biz. 
    Jerry, I sure am sorry you didn't get your credits, you 
    should have, you were an excellent producer, just the best
    to work for and such talent and expertise! Remember when we
    were talking about diet stuff at Gold Star?
    Well, I took a detour (lived in Colo. for awhile after 
    stopping studio work to play some jazz), had some health 
    problems, but since all fixed up (surgery) and back here 
    in LA playing for 2 yrs. now, mostly jazz, not much studio
    work as you know, and see some of the ol' gang. So good to 
    see you on this list, you too Bob Alcivar! 
    Best, Carol Kaye     
    Steve, will let you know soon.
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    Subject:     Re: Spectropop V#303
    Received:    08/12/99 6:15 am
    From:        Jamie LePage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Ish 303 was a fascinating read. Big, big thanks to 
    everyone and especially Jerry, Bob and Carol. 
    Specifically with reference to Jerry's post, he wrote:
    >[Phil] said's a hit song. He gave me Home 
    >of the Brave...I wrote the arrangement myself...
    >very slowly...on paper....
    >There never was a Ronettes version as far as I know. He 
    >would have mentioned that. 
    Not only that but I would imagine if Phil did have a 
    Ronettes version in the can when he "gave" you the song, 
    he would have just played that version for you. Which 
    leads me to an additional question. What demo did Phil 
    give you of the song? Was it a Mann/Weil Screen Gems demo?
    ...and Bob, I suppose you know that many here and elsewhere 
    judge Birthday as Association's very best album; this opinion 
    shared by many Curt Boettcher enthusiasts as well. Thanks 
    so much for the insight.
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    Subject:     For Jerry Riopelle: "Things Are Changing"
    Received:    08/12/99 6:15 am
    From:        Brad Elliott,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Welcome, Jerry!
    I was hoping you might be able to shed a little light on 
    the "Things Are Changing" singles that were done as 
    promotions for Equal Opportunity Employment in 1965. There
    are three known versions of the single. All feature the 
    same backing track, but different lead vocals. One is by 
    The Blossoms, one is by The Supremes, and the other is by 
    Jay and The Americans. There is rumored to be a fourth 
    version by Julio Angel and Lucecita, but I've never heard 
    of a copy being found.
    Reportedly, the backing track was produced by Phil Spector
    for a proposed Ronettes version of Brian Wilson's "Don't 
    Hurt My Little Sister." Brian himself is supposed to have 
    sat in on piano, subbing for a drunk Leon Russell 
    (according to Jack Nitzsche). I have seen you credited as 
    the producer of The Blossoms' vocals for the song. Is that
    true? Did you have anything to do with the other variant 
    vocals? Or with the original Ronettes recording?
    Any light you can shed on these recordings would be 
    greatly appreciated! 
    Brad Elliott
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    Subject:     Bobby Rydell's Swinging School at Wendy's
    Received:    08/12/99 6:15 am
    From:        Paul Urbahns, Pauluxxxxxcom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    > But the real knockout was hearing
    > Bobby Rydell's "Swinging School"! I can't help but wonder 
    > if this is a sign that the Cameo/Parkway vaults are 
    > finally opening- I can't imagine a music service playing 
    > one of those semi-boot Park CDs... Dave 
    The problem is not that the songs are available through 
    commerical services, the problem is because they are not 
    for sale to the public. Radio stations and music services 
    use different disks than what we can buy in the stores. 
    Wendys probably uses a satellite music service and that 
    service has the song on their master computer. I am glad 
    they played it, in fact the local Burger King in Radcliff,
    Ky plays some fairly rare (but good oldies) you never hear
    on the radio because most programmers are too young to 
    remember the music. A song that didn't chart high but was 
    popular with the public was Sail On Sailor by the Beach 
    Boys and I hear it at Burger King. A local AM station runs
    the Jones Satellite Oldies network which has an excellent 
    show in the evening called Dave's Diner 
    ( and I have heard them play (on a 
    regular basis) Neil Diamond's great song "You Got To Me" 
    which is not a staple of oldies stations. Finally, if you 
    are old enough to remember the music, you will realize 
    oldies stations (as a whole) do not reflect very 
    accurately the music of the 50s 60s and 70s they claim. 
    They play mostly group based records, BS&T, Beatles (even 
    songs that were never hits by them), Beach Boys, etc. They
    normally ignore most male vocalists, (like Rydell), most 
    female vocalists (like Brenda Lee, Connie Francis, and 
    many others), anything country flavored (Johnny Cash, and 
    some of the country-pop arttists of the late 60s). I know 
    this got a little off subject but, in closing, I have 
    noticed oldies stations play "Let's Twist Again" by Chubby
    Checker more than the original "Twist". It may have been 
    used in a movie soundtrack, just like "Limbo Rock" was in 
    digital mono on the soundtrack CD for Moonlighting.
    Paul Urbahns
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    Subject:     BOUNCE Non-member submi
    Received:    08/12/99 6:15 am
    To:          Spectropop List,
    ========= Start of forwarded message =========
    Subject:     phil spector in esquire
    From:        Editorial Department,
    hi, this is larry wilson, editor of the pasadena star-news
    writing, hoping for some help in writing a column about 
    some fun, odd comments on phil spector (i am a fan, though
    had never been to this website) made in this month's 
    esquire 'what i've learned' feature. spector mentions his 
    former house in Pasadena, calling it the Tarantula Arms, 
    and then notes: 'If I owned both hell and Pasadena, I'd 
    sell Pasadena and live in hell.' the piece notes that 
    spector now lives in orange county instead. i'm just 
    curious -- though I recall vague rumors about his living 
    in pasadena, when was it? why was it? not exactly a music 
    industry favorite, though, well, beck lived here until 
    recently, some other folks do for obscure reasons. I 
    believe spector lived in a big place in the san rafael 
    hills, though have no source for that. if you all knew 
    anything about this, i'd like to know. no desire to invade
    his famous privacy -- his privacy is fine by me. genius has
    its rewards. I would just like to tell my readers about his
    comments ... many thanks for your help. I am also writeable
    at wilsoxxxxx or callable at 626 578 6300 ext. #4478. 
    larry wilson
    ========== End of forwarded message ==========
    [Ed. note: Mr. Wilson has been added to the subscriber list. 
    Subscribers are encouraged to cross-post to Spectropop 
    any direct replies to his query.]
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    Subject:     Re: Manson and the Beach Boys
    Received:    08/12/99 6:15 am
    From:        Brad Elliott,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Frank Youngwerth wrote:
    >A friend of mine told me of visiting Rodney on the ROQ's
    >home recently, and being shown an unpublished (?) photo of
    >Rodney, Manson, and Brian Wilson. Doesn't really mean
    >anything, but I was still a little surprised to hear of it,
    >having assumed only Dennis hung out with him.
    Carol Kaye, isn't it you who tells the story of meeting 
    Manson in the hallway at Capitol Records (I think) in the 
    company of Brian and Terry Melcher?
    Steve Marinucci wrote:
    >I wonder if the legit (well, I've seen 'em at Tower)
    >Charles Manson releases that are floating around have any
    >Beach Boys involvement...
    My understanding is that they do not. One of them, however, 
    features Manson's version of his own "Cease to Exist," 
    which Dennis and the Beach Boys reworked and recorded as 
    "Never Learn Not to Love." 
    Surf's up?
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    Subject:     sorry....more on manson and beach boys.....and modern girl 
    Received:    08/11/99 5:28 am
    From:        Rough Trade Shop,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    sorry...just thought i'd mention...I seem to remember that
    manson wrote a song called 'cease to exist' which beach 
    boys actually covered and used as a b side to one of their
    singles, but I think they changed the title to 'cease to 
    resist' to make it a little more palatable.
    i have heard some manson recordings and they're very very 
    average. not even entertainingly bad if you know what I 
    mean. so I really really wouldn't bother...
    it's a shame he duped so many people but then I guess that's
    what cult leaders do.
    does anyone here like modern girl groups? rosita, anjelica,
    period pains, lolita storm etc..
    does anyone know what 'doris' is doing now???? I got an 
    album from the early 70s with some great tracks on .....
    (did you give the world some love today is my favourite).
    is she still doing stuff now???
         xxxxxxx delia xxxxxxxxx
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