__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0304 August 12, 1999 __________________________________________________________ Tomorrow's Sound-TodaySubject: Jerry Riopelle/Clydie King Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am From: WILLIAM STOS, xxxxxet.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com > [Phil] heard a record I > made with Larry Levine at Gold Star with Clydie King > singing a song of mine called The Thrill is Gone. It was a > blatant imitation of Phil's sound but a pretty good one. Jerry! I had no idea you produced Clydie King's the Thrill is Gone! Now you hold two spots in my top ten favourites of all time! Check out the very bottom of my guestbook page at my website: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Frontrow/2301/ and you'll see I list Clydie King's The Thrill Is Gone as my favourite Girl Group Song of all time! Clydie's voice is the closest thing to perfection I've heard. Tell me, did you have any involvement in other similar sounding Clydie numbers like "Missing My Baby" and "If You Were A Man"? She did some more soul inspired stuff that sounds good, but these recordings and Bonnie and the Treasures' records blow me away more than most Spector records. A Phil rip-off or not, I think you topped him on a couple of these!!! Can you tell me if Clydie King was also known as Clyde Kirk who was occasionally recording with the Crystals? Also, where can I find more of your work? Home of The Brave, The Thrill Is Gone, Close Your Eyes! If these are any representation, then I simply must hear more! Will --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Jerry R. & Home of the Brave Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am From: Mark Landwehr, mxxxxxbbs.com To: Spectropop List, Spectxxxxxities.com Jerry Riopelle wrote: > There never was a Ronettes version as far as I know. He > would have mentioned that. When it became a hit he acted > as if HE made the record in a Gavin interview and he > surely would have mentioned a Ronettes arrangement at that > point. I was amazed at how he was acting and I've been told > there are some compilations out there without my credits. > He wasn't even there when I cut it but he did give me the > song and I did steal his sound as best I could. > Knowing of Phil's knack for "embellishment" I am not surprised at all, Jerry...And, he did give himself producer credit on the Phil Spector International UK single of "Home of the Brave." Thanks for your input. Mark Phil Spector Label Galxxxxxp://www.toltbbs.com/~msland/Spector --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: The "E" is Gone Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am From: Keiko Kondo, keiko_xxxxxail.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Dear Mr. Riopelle, As soon as I read your posting I went to home and listened to "The Thrill Is Gone" several times. It's great and Nick De Caro arrangement is fine. I love the percussion and especially the do-do-do background chorus. That is Hal Blaine on drums right? btw, I was looking at the 45 label and noticed your name has no e at the end (Riopell). Was that mistake or did you spell that way on purpose? I'm so glad you joined the list. KK --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Don't know yet Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am From: Carol Kaye, caroxxxxxhlink.net To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Hi Steve, not sure if I played on that Ringo tune or not, have that question going out to Russ Wapensky who will check his data base contract lists. How are you? And Jerry, wasn't that cute, side by side! Everyone-- whatever Jerry says, that's for REAL, he's had the greatest integrity of anyone I know in the music biz. Jerry, I sure am sorry you didn't get your credits, you should have, you were an excellent producer, just the best to work for and such talent and expertise! Remember when we were talking about diet stuff at Gold Star? Well, I took a detour (lived in Colo. for awhile after stopping studio work to play some jazz), had some health problems, but since all fixed up (surgery) and back here in LA playing for 2 yrs. now, mostly jazz, not much studio work as you know, and see some of the ol' gang. So good to see you on this list, you too Bob Alcivar! Best, Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ Steve, will let you know soon. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Spectropop V#303 Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am From: Jamie LePage, le_pagxxxxxities.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Ish 303 was a fascinating read. Big, big thanks to everyone and especially Jerry, Bob and Carol. Specifically with reference to Jerry's post, he wrote: >[Phil] said here...here's a hit song. He gave me Home >of the Brave...I wrote the arrangement myself... >very slowly...on paper.... > >There never was a Ronettes version as far as I know. He >would have mentioned that. Not only that but I would imagine if Phil did have a Ronettes version in the can when he "gave" you the song, he would have just played that version for you. Which leads me to an additional question. What demo did Phil give you of the song? Was it a Mann/Weil Screen Gems demo? ...and Bob, I suppose you know that many here and elsewhere judge Birthday as Association's very best album; this opinion shared by many Curt Boettcher enthusiasts as well. Thanks so much for the insight. Jamie -- le_pagxxxxxities.com http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/5030 --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: For Jerry Riopelle: "Things Are Changing" Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am From: Brad Elliott, suxxxxxonline.net To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Welcome, Jerry! I was hoping you might be able to shed a little light on the "Things Are Changing" singles that were done as promotions for Equal Opportunity Employment in 1965. There are three known versions of the single. All feature the same backing track, but different lead vocals. One is by The Blossoms, one is by The Supremes, and the other is by Jay and The Americans. There is rumored to be a fourth version by Julio Angel and Lucecita, but I've never heard of a copy being found. Reportedly, the backing track was produced by Phil Spector for a proposed Ronettes version of Brian Wilson's "Don't Hurt My Little Sister." Brian himself is supposed to have sat in on piano, subbing for a drunk Leon Russell (according to Jack Nitzsche). I have seen you credited as the producer of The Blossoms' vocals for the song. Is that true? Did you have anything to do with the other variant vocals? Or with the original Ronettes recording? Any light you can shed on these recordings would be greatly appreciated! Brad Elliott --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Bobby Rydell's Swinging School at Wendy's Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am From: Paul Urbahns, Pauluxxxxxcom To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com > But the real knockout was hearing > Bobby Rydell's "Swinging School"! I can't help but wonder > if this is a sign that the Cameo/Parkway vaults are > finally opening- I can't imagine a music service playing > one of those semi-boot Park CDs... Dave The problem is not that the songs are available through commerical services, the problem is because they are not for sale to the public. Radio stations and music services use different disks than what we can buy in the stores. Wendys probably uses a satellite music service and that service has the song on their master computer. I am glad they played it, in fact the local Burger King in Radcliff, Ky plays some fairly rare (but good oldies) you never hear on the radio because most programmers are too young to remember the music. A song that didn't chart high but was popular with the public was Sail On Sailor by the Beach Boys and I hear it at Burger King. A local AM station runs the Jones Satellite Oldies network which has an excellent show in the evening called Dave's Diner (www.davesdiner.com) and I have heard them play (on a regular basis) Neil Diamond's great song "You Got To Me" which is not a staple of oldies stations. Finally, if you are old enough to remember the music, you will realize oldies stations (as a whole) do not reflect very accurately the music of the 50s 60s and 70s they claim. They play mostly group based records, BS&T, Beatles (even songs that were never hits by them), Beach Boys, etc. They normally ignore most male vocalists, (like Rydell), most female vocalists (like Brenda Lee, Connie Francis, and many others), anything country flavored (Johnny Cash, and some of the country-pop arttists of the late 60s). I know this got a little off subject but, in closing, I have noticed oldies stations play "Let's Twist Again" by Chubby Checker more than the original "Twist". It may have been used in a movie soundtrack, just like "Limbo Rock" was in digital mono on the soundtrack CD for Moonlighting. Paul Urbahns pauluxxxxxcom --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: BOUNCE spectxxxxxities.com: Non-member submi Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com ========= Start of forwarded message ========= Subject: phil spector in esquire From: Editorial Department, staxxxxxhlink.net hi, this is larry wilson, editor of the pasadena star-news writing, hoping for some help in writing a column about some fun, odd comments on phil spector (i am a fan, though had never been to this website) made in this month's esquire 'what i've learned' feature. spector mentions his former house in Pasadena, calling it the Tarantula Arms, and then notes: 'If I owned both hell and Pasadena, I'd sell Pasadena and live in hell.' the piece notes that spector now lives in orange county instead. i'm just curious -- though I recall vague rumors about his living in pasadena, when was it? why was it? not exactly a music industry favorite, though, well, beck lived here until recently, some other folks do for obscure reasons. I believe spector lived in a big place in the san rafael hills, though have no source for that. if you all knew anything about this, i'd like to know. no desire to invade his famous privacy -- his privacy is fine by me. genius has its rewards. I would just like to tell my readers about his comments ... many thanks for your help. I am also writeable at wilsoxxxxx or callable at 626 578 6300 ext. #4478. larry wilson ========== End of forwarded message ========== [Ed. note: Mr. Wilson has been added to the subscriber list. Subscribers are encouraged to cross-post to Spectropop any direct replies to his query.] --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Manson and the Beach Boys Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am From: Brad Elliott, suxxxxxonline.net To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Frank Youngwerth wrote: >A friend of mine told me of visiting Rodney on the ROQ's >home recently, and being shown an unpublished (?) photo of >Rodney, Manson, and Brian Wilson. Doesn't really mean >anything, but I was still a little surprised to hear of it, >having assumed only Dennis hung out with him. Carol Kaye, isn't it you who tells the story of meeting Manson in the hallway at Capitol Records (I think) in the company of Brian and Terry Melcher? Steve Marinucci wrote: >I wonder if the legit (well, I've seen 'em at Tower) >Charles Manson releases that are floating around have any >Beach Boys involvement... My understanding is that they do not. One of them, however, features Manson's version of his own "Cease to Exist," which Dennis and the Beach Boys reworked and recorded as "Never Learn Not to Love." Surf's up? Brad --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: sorry....more on manson and beach boys.....and modern girl grou Received: 08/11/99 5:28 am From: Rough Trade Shop, xxxxxhtrade.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com sorry...just thought i'd mention...I seem to remember that manson wrote a song called 'cease to exist' which beach boys actually covered and used as a b side to one of their singles, but I think they changed the title to 'cease to resist' to make it a little more palatable. i have heard some manson recordings and they're very very average. not even entertainingly bad if you know what I mean. so I really really wouldn't bother... it's a shame he duped so many people but then I guess that's what cult leaders do. does anyone here like modern girl groups? rosita, anjelica, period pains, lolita storm etc.. does anyone know what 'doris' is doing now???? I got an album from the early 70s with some great tracks on ..... (did you give the world some love today is my favourite). is she still doing stuff now??? xxxxxxx delia xxxxxxxxx www.roughtrade.com if you want to get weekly email lists of new releases let me know. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]--------------------
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