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  • Date: 07/12/98

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       Volume #0117                                July 14, 1998   
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    Subject:     Re: Can't Forget the Velvelettes
    Sent:        07/12/98 1:20 pm
    Received:    07/12/98 11:22 pm
    From:        David Feldman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >We can't forget about the Velvelettes either. I rank the Motown 
    >girl groups that I know of from best to worse as the Marvelettes, 
    >the Velvelettes, Martha and the Vandellas, and then the Supremes. 
    >Not that the Supremes were bad or anything, but if you go track by
    >track with the 3 big Motown girl groups on any one of their 
    >compilations, the Marvelettes will always come out on tops with 
    >quality, not necessarily commercialism.
    I only have the Velvelettes' singles. What else is out there that 
    you would recommend?
    There are two main reasons I'd place the Supremes over M&V. One is
    their higher quantity of great songs (sure it isn't M&V's fault 
    that they weren't given first dibs on Holland, Dozier, Holland's 
    "A" material). The second, and this was quite a surprise to me, is 
    how much better the Supremes were live. They were absolutely 
    terrific live, whereas M&V couldn't reproduce their sound live.
    Without a doubt, though, IMO, the best Motown group live were the 
    4 Tops. The Tempts were better showmen, but the Tops, somehow, 
    were able to do recreations of their most complex harmony 
    arrangements, notably "Bernadette" and "Reach Out I'll Be There."
    And of course, when you have Levi Stubbs singing "Ask the Lonely" 
    or "Baby I Need Your Loving," you are close to heaven. Some of 
    the other great Motown singers, such as Marvin Gaye and Smokey 
    Robinson, were clearly masters of the studio and not in their 
    element live (although I've heard great recordings of Gaye live, I
    never saw him measure up to the genius of his recordings when I saw
    him live).
    I'm glad to see another Marvelettes fanatic here. I can't
    overemphasize how much pleasure they've given me in the last few 
    Dave Feldman
    CD of the Month: It's a tie!
       Belle & Sebastian: "If You're Feeling Sinister"
       Billy Bragg & Wilco: "Mermaid Ave."
    Word of the Week:  "blasphemous"
    Lyric of the Week: Woody Guthrie:
       "I said little girl, it's plain to see,
        there ain't nobody who can sing like me.
        She said it's hard for me to see,
        how one little boy got so ugly."
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    Subject:     Re: the songs of...brian hyland??
    Sent:        07/12/98 5:10 pm
    Received:    07/12/98 11:22 pm
    From:        Marc Wielage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    CC:          Jeffrey Thames, KingoGrXXXX@XXXom
    Jeffrey Thames  asked on the Spectropop List
    >oh, i have *got* to hear this ["So Long Marianne"]!
    >is there a comprehensive hyland collection out there that
    >would have it, in addition to all the familiar hits?
    The only one I'm aware of is BRIAN HYLAND'S GREATEST HITS on MCA
    MCAD-11034, which has the following tracks:
    "Get the Message" (2:43 mono - sl. hiss)
    "Ginny Come Lately" (2:50 stereo - G sl. hiss)
    "Gypsy Woman" (2:34 mono)
    "Holiday for Clowns" (2:33 mono - sl. hiss)
    "I'm Afraid to Go Home" (2:41 mono - sl. hiss)
    "If Mary's There" (2:39 stereo - sl. hiss)
    "Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka-Dot Bikini" (2:22 stereo - 
     VG 2-tk stereo)
    "The Joker Went Wild" (2:42 stereo - G sl. hiss)
    "Let Me Belong to You" (3:03 stereo - G sl. hiss)
    "Run, Run, Look and See" (2:37 stereo - sl. hiss)
    "Sealed with a Kiss" (2:38 mono)
    "Stay and Love Me All Summer" (2:38 stereo - sl. hiss)
    "3000 Miles" (2:40 stereo - hissy / nar. sep.)
    "Tragedy" (2:53 stereo)
    "Warmed Over Kisses (Left Over Love)" (2:18 stereo - sl. hiss)
    No "So Long Marianne" (which made it to #120 on the BUBBLING UNDER 
    charts in 1971), as far as I know, but it's a decent collection.
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    Subject:     Solid Gold
    Sent:        07/12/98 8:54 am
    Received:    07/12/98 11:22 pm
    From:        CLAUDIA CUNNINGHAM,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I wonder if anyone remembers the Castells? They were hot in the 
    late 50's with two songs:
    "Sacred" and "So This is Love".
    They kind of sounded like the Lettermen.
    Also, from my old record collection I found a couple others: "
    Loving You Has Made Me Bananas" by Guy Marx, and "Selfish One" by 
    Jackie Ross AND..."I Wonder What She's Doing Tonight" by Barry and
    the Tamerlanes (sounds very Brill Building to me!) AND..."Mixed Up 
    Shook Up Girl" by Brenda and the Tabulations. Great stuff!
    Every time I dig into my vast collection I just get madder and 
    madder that I can't turn on an oldies station and get this stuff. 
    I'd probably stand on my head and spit nickels if I ever turned on
    an oldie station and heard, "It's Good News Week" by Hedgehoppers 
    Anonymous or "Where Does Love GO?" by movie actor Charles Boyer 
    from 1965....these things are like manna from heaven. I also came 
    across Noel Harrison's version of "A Young Girl" later recorded by
    Cher, not to be confused with "Young Girl" by the Union Gap.
    Does anyone remember Billy Stewart's soul hits like "Sitting in 
    the Park" or "Summertime"?
    Trying to reason with the station managers is like corresponding 
    with an empty coal mine or an aching void, as we have said before.
    So I will just content myself with listening to my records and 
    longing for the good old days...when men were men, and wimmen were
    two bucks!.....Claudia
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    Subject:     oldies solution?
    Sent:        07/12/98 10:46 pm
    Received:    07/14/98 12:44 am
    From:        Mark Landwehr,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Jamie LePage wrote:
    >dumb oldies radio is better than none,
    >and if corporate radio improves numbers with dumb playlists, the
    >oldies market grows and the collectors market is better served with
    >releases such as Stax, Spector, Pet Sounds, Who and Motown boxes.
    I agree completely with that...But, although the oldies listener 
    would get a "sampling" of the oldies available, that's all it 
    would get. One wonders how many people would be converted into the
    collecting market - Maybe they would just because they're tired of 
    hearing the same thing over & over...I, for one, would like to 
    hear more of the music that would make me say "Oh, wow, I haven't 
    heard that song in years." That's the kind of reaction I was 
    always going for back in the "good ol' days."
    The best, I think, anyone can hope for nowadays is that an oldies 
    station will play the usual "safe" stuff PLUS those songs that 
    were regional hits. I used to play "Wait a Minute" by Tim Tam and 
    the Turn-Ons...It never cracked the Top 75, but where I worked it 
    was a smash hit regionally - Ya gotta keep those songs in your 
    rotation - If a listener can hear even one "Oh, wow" song an hour,
    you've got 'em hooked, and oldies radio will be that much better 
    for it.
    Let's hope the brain-dead management personnel of these stations 
    someday get the message...
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    Subject:     Chess questions
    Sent:        07/13/98 7:16 am
    Received:    07/13/98 8:08 am
    From:        Ron Bierma, ELRONXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    In a message dated 7/9/98 11:41:55 AM, you wrote:
    I was under the impression that the former owners of the Chess 
    catalogue, the Robinsons of Sugarhill fame, had licensed the 
    catalogue to death in the 70's, including to Charly. If this is 
    true, what were the terms (length of license) of the deal and 
    just because MCA bought Chess (or finagled-depending who you want 
    to believe) doesn't mean that the previous licensing agreements 
    are void, does it? Just curious...
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    Subject:     The Knickerbockers
    Sent:        07/13/98 11:51 am
    Received:    07/14/98 12:44 am
    From:        Matthew Kaplan, TweeXXXX@XXXom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Claudia wrote: 
    > Does anyone remember Johnny Charles' old East 
    > Coast band, the Knickerbockers?
    To that David Feldman wrote: 
    > Who could forget them? although I know they are from
    > New Jersey, I think of them as a West Coast band.
    The Knickerbockers were from Bergenfield, New Jersey...let us just
    say one of two good things to come out of BerField, the other being
    the famed jazz label Prestige Records. The band was named after 
    Knickerbocker Road which was a street just one block away from 
    where I grew up in Tenafly, New Jersey.
    Matthew Kaplan
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