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Spectropop - Digest Number 802

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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)


There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Shirley Ellis
           From: S'pop Team 
      2. Re: Telephone Songs
           From: Ken Silverwood 
      3. Re: Telephone Songs
           From: Phil Milstein 
      4. Re: Telephone Songs
           From: Dan Hughes 
      5. Re: Soul and Insipidation
           From: Stuart Miller 
      6. Re: Dave Dee etc.
           From: Stuart Miller 
      7. Re: Oz originals & covers
           From: Lindsay 
      8. Re: Superman songs
           From: Gregg Luvoxx 
      9. Re: Brian Wilson Productions / American Spring
           From: Watson Macblue 
     10. Re: WHAT IS ROCK AND ROLL?  You tell me.
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     11. Re Dave Dee D, B, M & T / Gary & the Hornets
           From: Lapka Larry 
     12. Re: Telephone Songs
           From: John Clemente 
     13. Faux Shangri-las
           From: John Frank 
     14. Rock n Roll according to Wittgenstein!
           From: Stratton Bearhart 
     15. Re: Chris Lucey AKA Chris Ducey AKA Bobby Jameson?
           From: Claus 
     16. Re: Telephone Songs
           From: Frank 
     17. Re: Ten Seminal Rock'n'Roll Songs
           From: Mike Rashkow 

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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:29:03 -0000 From: S'pop Team Subject: Shirley Ellis Three - six - nine, The goose drank wine, A Shirley Ellis CD review is now online! Clap, here: The line broke, The monkey got choked, And they all went to heaven in a little row-boat! Enjoy! The S'pop Team Spectropop: Spectacular! Retro! Pop! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:32:13 -0800 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Re: Telephone Songs What about "Operator" by either Mary Wells or Brenda Holloway, "Sylvia's Mother" by Dr.Hook or "Hello This Is Joannie" by Paul Evans. Ken On The West Coast -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:35:55 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Telephone Songs Rex Strother wrote: > For songs based on a telephone call, include "Your Most Valuable > Possession" by Ben Folds Five on their album "The Unauthorized > Biography of Reinhold Messner". It's a funny, melancholy sweet > instrumental featuring an answering machine message from Ben Fold's > dad rambling on (probably drunk) about something he saw on the news... Along those lines there is "Providence," on Sonic Youth's Daydream Nation album. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:33:35 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: Telephone Songs My poser: > Okay, gang, thinking caps on--what telephone song spent > 3 weeks at #2 in Billboard's Hot 100, and 14 weeks at #1 > on Billboard's country chart? Phil M: > Hello Darlin', by Jim Reeves I believes. Phil, you got the artist right, but the title is "He'll Have to Go." ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:07:25 -0000 From: Stuart Miller Subject: Re: Soul and Insipidation Richard, I have 3 copies of "Soul" on various Righteous Bros records and they all say produced by Bill Medley. It was their first single on Verve, I presume without Spector so it could have been that Medley fancied getting as close to what they had left as possible. And he couldn't have been more successful, although these days I do tend to cringe when Bobby does the monologue in the middle. But great, great talent, both of them, either individually or together. Check out the web site: Stuart -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:17:40 -0000 From: Stuart Miller Subject: Re: Dave Dee etc. When I went through my "revisionist" period of the 60s some many years ago, I reappraised a number of groups whom at the time I found boring or uninteresting, and indeed Dave Dee was one of them. From a distance of a few decades further on, they were much better than my immature and rather focussed musical tastes from back then allowed them to be. But I did indeed take to DBMT at the time and although Dave Coyle mentioned "Mr. President" which was a fine record, my favourite from back then was "Tonight Today" which I thought was outstanding, and indeed I was listening to it again only a couple of days ago. I thought after Dave Dee left and they were freed from the more restrictive path of their then producers and became more creative, that they turned out some excellent music which inevitably went largely unappreciated. Stuart -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:13:15 -0000 From: Lindsay Subject: Re: Oz originals & covers Norman: At least in the case of the three Artie Wayne songs I mentioned in my last post, Festival records in Sydney seems to be the common element. Judy Stone, Ray Brown & Marcia Hines all recorded for Festival or affiliates (Festival, Leedon and Mushroom respectively). My guess is that there was some kind of connection between Festival & an American publisher. (Not being an industry insider, guessing is all I can do.) Lindsay -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:58:34 -0800 From: Gregg Luvoxx Subject: Re: Superman songs "O Superman" by Laurie Anderson "Superman" by Robyn Hitchcock ('Superman, Superman, crunchy little Superman') Gregg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:45:33 -0800 (PST) From: Watson Macblue Subject: Re: Brian Wilson Productions / American Spring Stratton Bearhart writes: > The one shining difference for me is Brian's involvement in > 'American Spring', and I wonder how much of Brian's quality input > to that particular production project was due to its nature as a > family affair, with wife Marilyn as vocalist. If engineer Steve Desper is to be believed (and I suspect he is), the awful truth is that Brian's contribution to this album was - Steve's word - tiny. Steve said that the strongest memory he had of the sessions (other than Brian's infrequent and unproductive visits to the studio) was amazement at David Sandler's skill in imitating Brian's production style. The album was made when Brian was in his first really bad coke-and-heroin phase, from which some of us would argue he has never really recovered; his main function for the Spring album was simply brand recognition by the customers. Marilyn Wilson herself has grudgingly admitted as much. (There was also the problem, at the time, of Brian's growing obsession with her sister - hence "My Diane" on the MIU album. As always with the Beach Boys, "family" is a multi-edged weapon.) Anyone who doubts Sandler's ability at forging the Brian sound should listen to Snowflakes, which has never been touted as a Brian production, but is as Brian-ish as all Hell. It can be done; elsewhere, we've been reading how Bill Medley managed to produce an astonishingly convincing knock-off of Spectorsound for "Soul and Inspiration". Watson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:58:45 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: WHAT IS ROCK AND ROLL? You tell me. Phil Milstein on the words Rock and Roll: > My solution is to use these words most guardedly, and reserve those > usages for situations where the exact definition won't be as important > as the general sense I'm trying to impart. Thus, while I appreciate > Mike's challenge, I, for one, am not gonna go there. Excellent decision and a great answer--but how about the 10 building blocks?? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:59:00 -0800 (PST) From: Lapka Larry Subject: Re Dave Dee D, B, M & T / Gary & the Hornets Dear David Coyle and Bob Rashkow; As far as Gary and the Hornets, the only thing I have from them is the Smash single "Hi Hi Hazel", which barely made the Top 100. They released several singles around this period, and like The Robbs, I wonder if anybody will every get them all together and release a compilation. DDDBMT I stumbled upon once again. I have two of their albums, the U.S. release "Time to Take Off" and a European LP called "Listen," which has many of their hits on it. After looking for an MP3 for "Bend It," I came upon about 20 other songs of theirs--all of their British A sides, a few Bs, and even a Dave Dee solo Xmas song. The more I listen to them, the more I like them. They were doing something completely different with many of their songs--I hear some early World-type tunes, such as "Zabadak," and yes, I do hear some Monkees-like bubblegum, like "Hideaway." There's lots of junk, too, but their music is quite endearing. On the Robbs again, thanks for all the interest. I'll get all the MP3 disks out over the next two weeks or so. Larry Lapka -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 01:17:35 -0500 From: John Clemente Subject: Re: Telephone Songs Hello All, I'd like to add my telephone songs to the apparently growing list: Please Ring My Phone - Starlettes - Checker 895, 1958 Hold Me, Touch Me - Carolyn Bernier - Private Stock, 1978 Last Night Changed It All - Esther Williams - Friends & Co. 130, 1980 Ring A Ting A Ling - Crystals - Michelle 4113, 1967 (I heard this years ago, and vaguely recall phone ringing at the start of the song. I could be wrong.) There has to be more somewhere. Regards, John Clemente -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:58:54 -0800 From: John Frank Subject: Faux Shangri-las Greetings to Spectropop! I was off-line for about a year and return to find the nice little mailing list has become a cultural phenomenon! In a place where terms like "Lesley Duncan," "Mina", "Ginny Arnell," "Nino Tempo", and "Tracey Dey" are casually bandied about, I know I'm home! Nice to be back. In my not-so-humble opinion, of all the inhabitants of Girl Group Planet, The Shangri-las reign. Spector and Motown both spawned a lot of "copycat" singles -- releases that took the sound as a jumping-off point and tried to make a reasonable fascimile, resulting in a lot of great music (and a lot of crap). The Shangri-las, too, spawned copycat records that tried to capture the melodrama and sometimes the attitude of the Shangs. I'm listing some I've identified, and would welcome more! I'd like to track them down and make a compilation. I'm particularly interested in original songs ('60s vintage only, please), but am also accumulating a listing of covers, parodies and answer songs. Here's what I've got so far, except the ones I've forgotten to list. Help, please? Originals: Nightmare - Whyte Boots Condition Red - Goodees What A Lonely Way To Start The Summertime - The Bittersweets Sally Bad - The Utopias The Boy Who Took My Heart (Took My Mind) - Marie Applebee Terry - Twinkle The Hero - Bernadette Carroll Covers/Remakes: Remember (Walking In The Sand) - Skeeter Davis The Dum Dum Ditty - The Goodies Rebel Without A Cause - The Bunnies ("The Dum Dum Ditty") Sophisticated Boom Boom - The Goodies So Soft, So Warm - The Nu-Luvs ("Dressed In Black") Dressed In Black - The Pussycats Parodies: Leader Of The Laundromat - The Detergents Answer Songs: ??? By the way, I've found myself with an extra copy of "Where The Girls Are", volume 4. Anyone want it? The first person who e-mails me off-list gets it. John Frank (who is still amazed that Ann Sidney's "The Boy In The Woolly Sweater" made it to at least #8 in Las Cruces, New Mexico. Despite the bad review in "That Will Never Happen Again", I love it!) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:14:35 -0000 From: Stratton Bearhart Subject: Rock n Roll according to Wittgenstein! I agree with Mike, the search for a clear definition may elude us... For a cerebral attempt at answering this question some Spectropoppers may find Wittgenstein's resemblance theory in art helpful... Bascially he asserts that there cannot be a closed concept of what constitutes 'art' because of 'its' diversities. Instead he suggests we apply an open concept of art where we recognise overlapping resemblances between various mediums, not unlike seeing the genetic connections in the faces of family members. This is explored in depth here:- I think it's interesting to apply this to theories about what makes Rock n' Roll a term for many categories of music even if only to make things more flexible, so not to be too hard on ourselves!. Stratton Bearhart -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:35:18 -0000 From: Claus Subject: Re: Chris Lucey AKA Chris Ducey AKA Bobby Jameson? Thanx for posting this interesting subject... few years ago I did the former review of the Chris Lucey album on Borderline in "Fuzz acid and flowers". Ever since I've wondered who did the backing on the album. I haven't read the notes on the Rev-Ola reissue and therefore don't know if they mentioned the line-up? Best, Claus -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 08:46:58 +0100 From: Frank Subject: Re: Telephone Songs Can't remember every songs cited but these two should be first on any list : Chuck Berry : Memphis Tennessee Johnny Otis : Telephone Baby Sorry if they've already been listed. Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:11:10 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Ten Seminal Rock'n'Roll Songs I didn't copy over Kingsley's response, but it was beautiful and enlightening. And not less were Milstein's and Tony's--so great to have it all said so well. BUT, c'mon Kingsley and Phil, no cop outs--give us the list...I am amazed and excited by Tony's inclusion of Glenn Miller, Rosemary Clooney, and other unique choices. Terrific! Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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