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Spectropop - Digest Number 801



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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: The Breakaways darling tune
           From: Andrea Ogarrio 
      2. Re: Chris Lucey AKA Chris Ducey AKA Bobby Jameson?
           From: Patrick Rands 
      3. Re: Top10 Seminal Rock N Roll Tunes
           From: Mike Edwards 
      4. Re:  WHAT IS ROCK AND ROLL?  You tell me.
           From: Phil Milstein 
      5. Re: Superman songs
           From: Phil Milstein 
      6. Re: Telephone Songs
           From: Dan Hughes 
      7. Cool site for BBC - Top of the Pops - Videoclips
           From: Steve Harvey 
      8. Re: Telephone Songs
           From: Eric Charge 
      9. Re: Desperately Seeking Superman
           From: Lindsay Martin 
     10. Normie Rowe, original versions & Artie Wayne!
           From: Lindsay Martin 
     11. Re: Gary & The Hornets
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
     12. Soul and inspiration - the Righteous Bros
           From: Richard Hattersley 
     13. Re: Doctor's Orders / Oz originals & covers
           From: Norman 
     14. Re: Donna Lynn & the Beatles......& the Stones!
           From: Andres Jurak 
     15. Re: Desperately Seeking Superman
           From: Frank Uhle 
     16. Re: Donna Lynn (another GREAT single)
           From: Kitty Hinkle 
     17. Re Widescreen LP
           From: Andrew Jones 
     18. Re: Tony Romeo
           From: Artie Wayne 
     19. Re: Telephone Songs
           From: Rex Strother 
     20. Re: Telephone Songs
           From: B. Vlaovic 
     21. Re: Telephone Songs
           From: Phil Milstein 
     22. Re: WHAT IS ROCK AND ROLL?  You tell me.
           From: Mary 
     23. Who are the people in the message board photo?
           From: Emily 
     24. Rock'n'Roll
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
     25. Re : What Is Rock & Roll
           From: Tony 


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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:12:22 -0000 From: Andrea Ogarrio Subject: Re: The Breakaways darling tune Me: > ....I am delurking to ask another question about that wonderful > unreleased Breakaways song in the film 'Darling'.... Phil C: > I dug out the video and edited the song around to remove dialogue. > Not totally sure how it stands up outside of the film, but I've > played this lo-fi offering to musica for examination. Find it here: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ How wonderful to hear the whole song without the dialog, especially since we have been unable to find reference to any kind of soundtrack for the film. Those fab ascending vocal chords at the end of the choruses just send me... Thanks much, Phil! Andrea O. http://www.rapiers.net "Champions of utterly cool, early '60s UK rock 'n' roll." -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:14:56 -0000 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Re: Chris Lucey AKA Chris Ducey AKA Bobby Jameson? Hi Steve, I knew there was some confusion between Chris Lucey and Chris Ducey and found out they were seperate people when I saw a picture of Chris Ducey on the internet. I didn't realize that there was indeed a connection beyond a misprint though. So does this mean there is an entirely different album as recorded by Chris Ducey with the same song titles as the Chris Lucey album?? Do these tapes still exist and is there any chance they will be issued? My understanding regarding the Mike Nesmith-produced Penny Arkade recordings is that some if not all of them ended up on the Satya Sai Maitreya Kali double cd Apache/Inca. Is Chris Ducey aware of this double cd? Speaking of the Chris and Craig Isha b/w I Need You, 45 on Capitol - are these songs available on cd? Does anyone have this 45? I'd love to hear it. :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:06:53 -0500 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Re: Top10 Seminal Rock N Roll Tunes Mike Rashkow writes: > what I am hoping for is that we will hear from all 800 members of the > group; and that the Spectopop Team of talented webmeisters will keep a > tally of the responses, which at a certain date will lead to an > announcement of the 10 most important seminal rock and roll records. The Admin Team at Spectropop are busy keeping up with what they have on their plates at the moment. So I suggest that members submit their lists without requiring that anyone tabulate them. It could be interesting. Any list that includes an item from Johnny Cymbal can't be all bad! Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:02:57 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: WHAT IS ROCK AND ROLL? You tell me. Mike Rashkow wrote: > But is "Rock and Roll" "Rock and Roll"? My vote is no. No such > thing. No more than all Classical is simply Classical as opposed > to Baroque, Chamber, Symphonic, Operatic, etc. Defining rocknroll is about as simple a task as defining humor, or art, or genius, or love. Each presents a most slippery slope, and as soon as you're done some joker is bound to come alone and poke a deflating hole in your creation. My solution is to use these words most guardedly, and reserve those usages for situations where the exact definition won't be as important as the general sense I'm trying to impart. Thus, while I appreciate Mike's challenge, I, for one, am not gonna go there. With all good humor, --Phil Milstein -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:04:57 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Superman songs Would "Up, Up And Away" by the 5th Dimension qualify? --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:43:56 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: Telephone Songs Okay, gang, thinking caps on--what telephone song spent 3 weeks at # 2 in Billboard's Hot 100, and 14 weeks at # 1 on Billboard's country chart? ---Dan (Hints tomorrow if nobody gets it right away) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:59:01 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Cool site for BBC - Top of the Pops - Videoclips Lots of musical clips from 64 on. Some strange stuff that hit over there, but not in the USA. Jimmy Gilstrap! live Van Morrison with Cliff Richards. Unfortunately only 30 seconds a pop: http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp2/videoclips/date/1968/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:24:26 -0000 From: Eric Charge Subject: Re: Telephone Songs The greatest telephone song of all time: BUSY LINE by the wonderful ROSE MURPHY -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:37:35 +1000 From: Lindsay Martin Subject: Re: Desperately Seeking Superman Alison McCallum - "Superman" (1972) This one was written & produced in Australia by pop geniuses and ex-Easybeats Harry Vanda & George Young. For the numerically minded: #10 Sydney, #16 Melbourne, #10 Adelaide. (Anyone out there have some Brisbane charts? I'd love to get hold of them!) Lindsay -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:07:56 +1000 From: Lindsay Martin Subject: Normie Rowe, original versions & Artie Wayne! Phil wrote: > Normie Rowe's "It's Not Easy"... > Does anyone know if Normie's is the original version...? Norman knows more about Normie Rowe than I do, and he may have further information, but my hunch is that Normie's version of Mann-Weil's "It's Not Easy" may well have been the original. It's always hazardous to make claims about original versions, but I can't find any earlier versions in a quick Internet search For example, Eric Burdon & the Animals had it on an album in '67, New York group The Will-O-Bees had a single on Date in '68 which barely charted, and the Sweet Inspirations had it on a '69 album. Although it was a hit in Australia by an Australian artist, "It's Not Easy" is a British production, recorded in London (echoes of "Friday On My Mind"!), and it's not implausible that the song was acquired from the publisher, rather than being a "cover". Still, I would welcome any corrections to this view. By the way, it wasn't unusual for Aussie pop records to have been the original versions of songs written by American songwriters. In this connection, I've lately discovered, to my amazement, that Artie Wayne had a hand in writing the following songs, all well-known in Australia, but three contrasting songs would be hard to find: Judy Stone - "4,003,221 Tears From Now" (Wayne - Raleigh) Ray Brown & the Whispers "Go To Him" (Wayne - Coleman) Marcia Hines - "From the Inside" (Wayne) "Go To Him" is a legendary B-side, a moody classic of 60s Oz beat group rock, but who'd have thought it was co-written by the same guy that co-wrote Judy Stone's perky country-tinged pop hit from '64? And who wrote Marcia's stirringly produced power ballad from '73 as well! The man's versatility is extraordinary. I mean, who'da thunk it? Oh, and thanks to Artie for graciously replying to my questions on this topic. He's a gentleman and a bloody good bloke! Omigoodness, I'm lapsing into quaint Australian patois. Must be that fine Victorian Sauvignon Blanc I've been using to celebrate the end of the working week. Have a good weekend when it gets to you, Lindsay, Friday night in Oz -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:58:09 -0000 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Re: Gary & The Hornets Larry asked about Gary & the Hornets. I seem to recall I have a couple of singles in the inner sanctum. If memory serves, they are "Summer's Over" (which can also be found on the 'Beach Street And Strip' CD) and another on a red label - could it have been "Kind Of Hush"? Did they cover that or am I way off beam? Larry, you should contact off list if you'd like me to search further... Kingsley Abbott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:40:42 +0000 From: Richard Hattersley Subject: Soul and inspiration - the Righteous Bros Who actually produced the Righteous Brothers' "Soul & Inspiration"? When I first heard it I thought, Wow great Spector production. However every copy I had said Prod by Bill Medley. And yet no other Bill Medley prod sounds like this. Although "See that girl" is quite strong as well. Then recently I picked up a greates hits album called 2 by 2 on MGM records. Looks like an early 70's disc. This says Prod by Phil Spector against "Soul and Inspiration". Anyone wise to the truth? Richard http://www.wiz.to/richardsnow -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 00:16:11 +1030 From: Norman Subject: Re: Doctor's Orders / Oz originals & covers re: Elisabeth's thread about "Doctor's Orders" I wanted to jump in straight away but found little time to do so. Being a Greenaway-Cook fan I bought the Sunny 45 as soon as I heard it. I grew to like the b-side just as well (Only When You're Feeling Lonely). It went to #2 on the local charts in 1974. I heard Carol Douglas's version a little while later on a specialist program (in retrospect I imagine that it was not a commercial radio station). I only heard it once and it blew me away. I was lucky enough to pick up the Carol Douglas Album a little while later (I suspect it may be the one that the radio station had been using). I was not a great fan of disco music (or what was pushed on us by the radio stations at the time) but was absolutely amazed that I played more than one track on the album. My two other favourites being "A Hurricane is Coming Tonite" and "Will We Make it Together". The info re: The Carol Douglas Album 1975 RCA BKL1- 0931 (Australian release). Phil Chapman: > Normie Rowe's "It's Not Easy"... > Does anyone know if Normie's is the original version of this Brill > Building song? I would like to find out how, why, when and where some of the Australian singers accessed the catalogues. I have often read that much of what was recorded here was picked up, and even parrotted, from the originals. A case which comes to mind is the local version of Raincoat in the River by Dig Richards and the R Jays. I have never heard the Sammy Turner original, so I am only surmising, but listening to Dig Richards' version there are too many throw away vocal inflections most unusual for an Australian singer at the time, either he mimicked the original or he listened to a few American singers of the time (ie, Brook Benton, Ben E King, Gene McDaniels). Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:55:45 -0000 From: Andres Jurak Subject: Re: Donna Lynn & the Beatles......& the Stones! Hi Spectropop people! We all know about two great Donna Lynn's Beatles related songs. But she was also somehow related to... the Rolling Stones! Check the Photos section http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/lst All the best Andres -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:45:13 -0500 (EST) From: Frank Uhle Subject: Re: Desperately Seeking Superman A new lister here - first post. A Superman song with girl group elements that I quite like is "Superman" by Joyce Davis (at first I thought it was Joyce Harris, recently being discussed here, but checked and found out my memory was wrong.) It is a United Artists 45 from '62. Frank Uhle -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:49:37 -0000 From: Kitty Hinkle Subject: Re: Donna Lynn (another GREAT single) Previously: > ...(Donna Lynn) also had a single released: A-Side. I Had A Dream I > Was A Beatle, B-Side. My Boyfriend Got A Beatle Haircut... I have the Donna Lynn song on an album called "Beatlesongs" on Rhino from 82 that may be relatively easy to find. It also features the fab "We love you Beatles" by the Carefrees and a load of other magic - plus some true crap. As a side note, someone probably mentioned it in a post and I missed it, but a great use of a phone call in a song is Captain Beefheart's "The Blimp" - all the vocals are recorded over the phone. My apologies if this was already posted! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:46:40 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Jones Subject: Re Widescreen LP Richard Havers: Whaddya know - someone else besides me remembers the "Widescreen" album! "Soap Opera" was my favorite track on it. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:24:27 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Tony Romeo Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't have any stories about Tony..... we didn't hang out or anything. He was one of the most natural writers I ever worked with when he brought me a song it was always complete. It was either you liked or you didn't. With his classical background it was no surprise to me that it reflected in so many of the hits he wrote for the Partridge Family. regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:26:11 -0700 From: Rex Strother Subject: Re: Telephone Songs For songs based on a telephone call, include "Your Most Valuable Possession" by Ben Folds Five on their album "The Unauthorized Biography of Reinhold Messner". It's a funny, melancholy sweet instrumental featuring an answering machine message from Ben Fold's dad rambling on (probably drunk) about something he saw on the news... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:15:41 -0500 From: B. Vlaovic Subject: Re: Telephone Songs For Canadians there was the Stampeders cover of 'Hit the Road Jack' which featured a phone conversation between the singer and Wolfman Jack. And although I don't recall if it actually had a telephone conversation Sugarloaf's 'Dont Call Us, We'll Call You' did have the touch tone dial up sounds (rumoured to be the same you'd get if you phoned CBS records, hence the title of the song)......and what about Lene Lovich's vocal impersonation of a touch tone phone in 'Lucky Number' or Chrissie Hynde's (Pretenders) heavy breathing phone call in, erm, 'Phone Call'. I guess I'm outta the Spectropop time range here. N -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:25:12 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Telephone Songs > Okay, gang, thinking caps on--what telephone song spent 3 weeks at # 2 in > Billboard's Hot 100, and 14 weeks at # 1 on Billboard's country chart? Hello Darlin', by Jim Reeves I believes. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:33:38 -0000 From: Mary Subject: Re: WHAT IS ROCK AND ROLL? You tell me. What is rock and roll? Well, one thing that ISN'T rock and roll is hard rock. I don't like it when hard rock "singers" and heavy metal performers are called "rock and rollers". To me, rock and roll would be the kind of singing done by the Beatles, esp. on their early songs, Chuck Berry doing most of his material, Buddy Holly, Dion and the Belmonts, Bill Haley and the Comets, and Jerry Lee Lewis (his big hits...he also sang country), among many others. Brenda Lee sang some rock and roll (such as "Is It True?" and "Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree") but many of her songs were country songs. Connie Francis certainly had many rock and roll type songs as well as pop songs. I would call "Lipstick On Your Collar" a rock and roll song, for example, but would call "My Happiness" a pop song of the ballad type. Mary S. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:37:35 -0000 From: Emily Subject: Who are the people in the message board photo? Yes, I'm ignorant. Cynthia Weil?... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:00:14 -0000 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Rock'n'Roll I have a wonderful picture of Rashkovsky sitting stirring his cauldron, cackling wildly as he mutters 'This will wind 'em all up!' - indeed the question is a wonderful one to pose at this juncture of the list, and one that we will probably all have our own answers to. For mine, I'll trust my original images that I developed when I first began collecting way back in the (just) post-Rashkovskic era of the early sixties. I always pictured Rock 'n' Roll as wild with particular feels of rhythm - certainly Haley, Domino, Richard, Hawkins, Lewis, Vincent et al were all there, with Chuck Berry as the central defining figure. My criteria developed to be summed up simply as the sort of people who you wouldn't trust your girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband/daughter/son with (delete as applicable dependant on age/sex/orientation etc!!). Vocal groups, in the main, or what we now call Doo Wop, were somehow a bit different. My first tentative 45rpm purchases buying good black pop or so I thought. Subsequent knowledge tells me that there were certainly many great group records that I would call R'n'R. Elsewhere there was R&B that begat certain Soul, much of which became black pop (most Motown). Others of Mike's suggestions - Beach Boys, Lymon, Orbison, Cymbal, Twitty, Holly, Drifters etc were always pop - good, crafted pop, but pop certainly. (Maybe it is 'pop' that we need to define alongside R&R???) All of these seemed to be much safer figures (tho probably not in reality) than the greasy rascals that purveyed debauchery and God knows what! I've always felt happy using such, albeit highly subjective, definitions that fit my music world view....thus Johnnie Allen's version of 'Promised land' is still fine Rock'n' Roll, whilst safer white acts don't do it for me. R'N'R needs an edge of sweat, a leer, and a strong element of parental disapproval. I'd be happy with any definition that saw R'n'R as growing out of R'n'B with elements of the above. (Thinks: Though R'n'B is also a term that has been twisted to something way away from its original meaning...but that's another story) The net result of these musings is that probably R'n'R probably doesn't fit Spectropop, though our sides do seem to be infinitely elastic. Another totally different definition would be music that makes you able to get up and dance and make a total prat of yourself - as two certain Spectropoppers who shall remain nameless found out only last night!!!!! Kingsley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:15:43 -0000 From: Tony Subject: Re : What Is Rock & Roll Rock & Roll began in the early fifties and lasted through to the mid 60s and is a subset of Pop music. Pop, the short form of Popular, is the umbrella that covers all music that is in vogue at 'any' point in time. At the same time, we do not have a 'single' subset only, there can be umpteen ... Elvis - Rock & Roll Beach Boys - Surf Music Fats Domino - R & B Frankie Lymon - Doo Wop etc etc etc Rock & Roll drew the most attention in the early days because it was so different from what had gone before, (plus we all loved to play it loud - LOUD! Still love to play it loud as a matter of fact ) Yet there were literally hordes of great records released, hits or misses, that cannot be considered R & R even when performed by a 'R&R' artist .. ie. Conway Twitty - It's Only Make Believe. > So, group---what does it mean? How do we parse it, what do > we call it? Certainly Reggae is Reggae, and Rap (gag) is Rap, > and Blues (thank God) is blues. I say we simply call it those much abused, and oft times hated, words .. Pop Music, for that is what it is. My List of Seminal Influences 1 Carl Perkins - Blue Suede Shoes 2 Jackie Wilson - That's Why 3 Guy Mitchell - Rock A Billy 4 Rosemary Clooney - C'Mon A My House 5 Percy Faith - Summer Place 6 Ritchie Valens - La Bamba 7 Duane Eddy - Rebel Rouser 8 All Philles Records up to, but excluding, River Deep, Mountain High 9 Alan Jones - Donkey Serenade 10 Glenn Miller - Moonlight Serenade Tony -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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