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Spectropop - Digest Number 1323



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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Matt Monro/Johnny Harris
           From: Richard Havers 
      2. Re: Songwriter Credits & Dan Penn
           From: Richard Havers 
      3. Re: Feldman, Goldstein, Gottehrer - sixties discography
           From: Bob Celli 
      4. Re: Uni-chord songs
           From: TD 
      5. Re: Question for Al Kooper
           From: James Botticelli 
      6. Re: R.I.P. Ed Sciaky
           From: Al Kooper 
      7. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
           From: Martin Roberts 
      8. Re: Cilla's cool records
           From: Richard Hattersley 
      9. introduction
           From: Tina Vozick 
     10. Re: Dionne vs. Cilla / Lulu vs. Aretha
           From: Paul Bryant 
     11. Re: Beatles, Mike Mac photo exhibits at the Smithsonian
           From: Alan Haber 
     12. Re: Flying Machine
           From: Mark Frumento 
     13. From: Mark Hill / More On One Chord Songs
           From: Dr Mark 
     14. Re: Dionne vs. Cilla / Lulu vs. Aretha (round 2)
           From: Paul Bryant 
     15. Lovin' Feelin' on Philles
           From: Richard Hattersley 
     16. Re: A workable idea?
           From: Tom Taber 
     17. More on one-chord songs
           From: Phil Chapman 
     18. Re: Songwriter credits
           From: Al Kooper 
     19. Re: Rare mono albums from "The Great Mono Phase-Out of 1968!"
           From: John Sellards 
     20. Re: introduction
           From: P A F 
     21. Ridiculous comparisons?
           From: Phil Chapman 
     22. Re: Rare mono albums from "The Great Mono Phase-Out of 1968!"
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     23. Re: Hits You Missed
           From: Mike McKay 
     24. "Midnight Special"
           From: Al Kooper 
     25. "Girl"
           From: Andrew Hickey 


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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:02:47 +0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Matt Monro/Johnny Harris On 1 Feb 2004, at 04:50, Michael Edwards wrote: > That's a mouth-watering proposition! Great by Matt Monro, I wonder > how Mina's version sounds. Also released by Frank Sinatra on Reprise > in 1964, but Matt's version beats out Frank's. > > Another great Matt Monro record: "On Days Like These" from 1969 and > featured in the original film version of "The Italian Job". Matt > sings part of the lyric in Italian but I don't think it's an Italian > song. The credits would indicate that Don Black wrote the lyrics and > Quincy Jones the music. Mike, totally agree that Matt beat Frank hands down on 'Softly as I Leave You'; even most Sinatra addicts will concur on that. A song of Matt's that I have always loved is 'We're Gonna Change The World' credited to Mathews/Harris. I have always assumed it was the excellent Johnny Harris. Can anybody confirm that? On the subject of Johnny Harris does anyone know if the 'All To Bring You Morning' album has ever come out on CD? I have 'Movements' which got a release a year or so ago, but would like to get a hold of 'Morning'; having lost the LP in a custody battle many years ago. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:40:07 +0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Songwriter Credits & Dan Penn On 1 Feb 2004, at 11:08, Al Kooper wrote: > Dan Penn wrote the title and half the chorus with me on one > of my best new songs. We split it 59/50 cause I could not > have written the song without him even though I wrote all > the verses. It's a judgement call, plus I worship Dan Penn > and I'm not worthy..... There is a wonderful Dan Penn and Spooner Oldham album from 1999 called 'Moments From This Theatre'. Recorded live in Dublin, Belfast, London and South Petherton (the first mention ever on Spec'pop for this small Somerset village I'll wager). It has a trawl through some of their biggest hits. It includes, what is to my ears, a version of 'I'm Your Puppet' that gives James and Bobby a run for their money. Another highlight is the album closer, 'Ol' Folks'. The CD is out on Proper Records. Simplicity in performance belies both the complexity and the beauty of their writing. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:41:10 -0000 From: Bob Celli Subject: Re: Feldman, Goldstein, Gottehrer - sixties discography David L Gordon wrote: > This is an incomplete list of sixties records written and produced > by the team of Bob Feldman, Richard Gottehrer and Jerry Goldstein. Dave, You have me confused on this one from your list! BOBBY VEE (Liberty 55451) 06/62 Sharing You (Goffin,King) In My Baby's Eyes (FGG,Sanders) In My Baby's Eyes recorded by Bobby Vee was written by Goffin/King. Was there a similar title written by FGG? Bob Celli -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 11:04:33 -0500 From: TD Subject: Re: Uni-chord songs Jon Adelson: > Different strokes for different folks...(btw, did Sly > originate this phrase?) The folk rhyme "Different strokes for different folks" was made popular by Muhammed Ali. As with "Float like a butterfly/Sting like a bee", Ali's source was his trainer, Bundini Brown. -- TD Bell -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 11:10:36 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Question for Al Kooper Dan Hughes wrote: > Al, for the sake of antirevisionism (love that term), could > you please discuss the parting of the ways between you and BS&T? > > (For what it's worth, I was DEEPLY disappointed in the album > released after you left. I bought it before I knew you were > not involved). Yeah, I went to see BS&T in Boston at the Psychedelic Supermarket and recall thinking that David Clayton Thomas was not the type of singer I'd expected. It was just as the second LP came out and I'd not yet heard it. That being said, Ursula 1000, a 60s pop influenced electronica artist, has compiled a CD-R of nearly 30 versions of "Spinning Wheel", unfortunately forever the BS&T signature song... James Botticelli -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 11:55:17 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: R.I.P. Ed Sciaky > Just heard that Ed Sciaky, Philly dj, died today of a heart > attack. He is probably best known for promoting then unknowns > like Yes, Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Steve Forbert. A great passionate music lover. Always helped me out in Philly, a great interview. He actually showed up at my gig at The Point outside Philly last month. He could barely walk and had a health entourage of three including his faithful wife. I felt bad that he had to go to so much trouble to get to the gig, but he was happy to be there. I hugged Mr & Mrs when they left, never even considering that would be the last I would see of Ed on this earth. As I now turn 60, the losses of my friends are on the upswing. Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:06:03 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update Record of the Week on the home page is the groovy Dorothy Berry with "The Girl Who Stopped The Duke Of Earl". http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm Next week the mighty Al Cooper (or so it says here) co-composed "Night Time Girl", recorded for disc by famed quintet, The Modern Folk battle with The New Society's, "Buttermilk". The last entry on Al Hazan and Jack Nitzsche's Record Of The Week is their first recording together, 'Al Anthony' sings "The Force Of Love". I've loved presenting this page, some great stories, wonderful pictures and every song reviewed can be listened to. http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/ahjnrotw.htm The Jack Nitzsche interview continues on the radio page. http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm This week the discussion involves Jacks musical influences at home and begins his reminisces of his time at work and play with Phil Spector. As a bonus, a picture to complement the piece, Jack playing the piano on TV from 1954. The interview is quite outstanding and one I hope you are enjoying. Thanks to Barney for his enthusiastic words, "Quite nice". In Hardback, http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/inhardback.htm has a few reviews and buying information on Harvey Kubernik's latest book, "This Is Rebel Music - The Harvey Kubernik Inner Views". If anyone wishes to write a review for the site it would be appreciated, as would one on Andrew Loog Oldham's "2 Stoned". Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:30:27 +0000 From: Richard Hattersley Subject: Re: Cilla's cool records I love "I've been Wrong Before" by Cilla Black I don't think it was a huge hit but its a great record. I like the comparison of Cilla's voice to a car with 2 gears :-) She does seem to sound a lot better on CD I have to say. On the original vinyl pressings the the sound just distorts when she hits full belt. Richard http://www.wiz.to/richardsnow -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:17:44 -0500 From: Tina Vozick Subject: introduction As means of introduction I should say I'm Paul Levinson's wife, here thanks to Mike Rashkow. In addition to Paul's stint as a songwriter-singer-record producer, which I witnessed from the Fall of 1967 onward (including my cameo performance on Paul's LP "Twice Upon a Rhyme", recorded from 1969-1971). We both are lifelong fans of 60s music, which we've managed to impart to our 2 kids - and we've been known to do a mean 4-part harmony out on Cape Cod Bay on some 50s stuff as well. Nice to be here among fellow travelers and a treat to be corresponding with some very familiar names. Tina Vozick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 12:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Re: Dionne vs. Cilla / Lulu vs. Aretha Steveo wrote: > I don't think so on the Dionne/Cilla issue. > On the second issue, Lulu is a great singer, but > the styles between her and Aretha are very different. Steveo, I hope you realised I was not being altogether serious.... pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:01:25 -0500 From: Alan Haber Subject: Re: Beatles, Mike Mac photo exhibits at the Smithsonian Richard Havers wrote: > Last year I was asked to go and look at a collection of Beatles > photographs held by the University of Dundee. They have around 500, > taken during the making of 'A Hard Day's Night'. Here is a link that > gets you some way towards seeing what they have. > http://www.dundee.ac.uk/pressoffice/contact/2002/November/beatlesphotos.html Thanks for the link, Richard. I'd forgotten about these. I'd love to see the whole lot. That these pix, and those on display at the Smithsonian, are just now becoming available, begs the question: What other treasures are out there? It's a Fab, Fab world, Alan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 20:45:38 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Flying Machine Mark wrote: > Don't know if anyone noticed (or cares) but I stumbled > upon the fact that Castle has re-issued the double CD of > Flying Machine/Pinkerton's Assorted Colors CD Any idea why Castle has reissued a reissue that was still in print? This seems to be a trend with reissue houses these days. I like this CD but the Pinkertons' material is a little bit of a mixed bag. My favorite song by them is Murray/Callendar's "Mum & Dad". One of many "they say we're too young to be in love" type songs. Only "Mum & Dad" got banned because it implied a just tad more. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:22:50 -0500 From: Dr Mark Subject: From: Mark Hill / More On One Chord Songs Continuing the disussion of one chord songs: I have a 20 year old "Fake Book" that a number of guitar playing friends have tried to pry away from me. I can't play, but like to find similar songs grouped together this way. It lists all manner of songs that you can play with one, two, three chords and more variations to: devices, big endings, modulations, etc. Always on the search for similar songs, I like the way you can go down the list, play each song in your head and immediately note the similarities. It's amazing how many songs are really the "same song" with only minor changes. The book says: One might assume there is little to discuss about a song that only has one chord.... [They] must be recognized as existing, even if it is unexpected. It is important to be aware that there *are* songs like that..... [In reference to noting other chords]: If one were to study carefully the recordings of songs comprised of one chord, no doubt one would hear hints of other chords. But coloring or embellishing a one-chord song with the strategic addition of other chords does not mean there is a "progression". Here are some One Chord Songs listed: American Woman- THE GUESS WHO Black Dog, Heartbreaker, Whole Lotta Love- LED ZEPPELIN- Car Wash- ROSE ROYCE Chain Of Fools- ARETHA Dance To The Music, Everyday People, I Want To Take You Higher, Thank You For Letting ME Be Myself- SLY & THE FAMILY STONE Disco Lady- JOHNNY TAYLOR [has bridge] Do It Again- STEELY [basic structure] Fly Robin Fly- SILVER CONVENTION Goin To A GO GO- SMOKEY ROBINSON AND THE MIRACLES Hot Pants- James Brown It's Your Thing- ISLEY BROS Jim Dandy- LAVERNE BAKER Land Of A Thousand Dances- CANNIBAL & THE HEADHUNTERS Low Rider- WAR Papa Was A Rolling Stone- TEMPTATIONS Soulfinger- BAR-KAYS Superstition- STEVIE WONDER Peter Gunn- HENRY MANCINI We Will Rock You- QUEEN Will It Go Round In Circles?- BILLY PRESTON You Should Be Dancin- THE BEE GEES (A few I noted myself as one chord) Bad Blood- NEIL SEDAKA Marie's The Name (keeps coming back to same chord), Viva Las Vegas- ELVIS Faith- GEORGE MICHAEL "Dr. Mark" Hill * The Doctor Of Pop Culture /*/ drmark7@juno.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/popmusicpopculture -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:14:27 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Re: Dionne vs. Cilla / Lulu vs. Aretha (round 2) paferra wrote: > Paul - yes, Lulu really does have a great voice :) > and a wonderful sound - still does, too! But if > anything(again, my opinion), I believe that Aretha > Franklin especially in her heyday - always had much > more lung power and flexibility in her voice than > Lulu ever It's okay, I do not really believe Lulu was better than Aretha Franklin. Having just stated that Cilla Black did a better version of Alfie I was looking for an even more ridiculous comparison. Spent five minutes thinking of a lightweight 60s UK girl pop singer so that no one would think I was being serious. I nearly said "Sandie Shaw". So. Let me rephrase. "Next week I'll demonstrate why it's now become obvious in retrospect that The Caravelles were vastly superior to Martha and the Vandellas." pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:37:24 +0000 From: Richard Hattersley Subject: Lovin' Feelin' on Philles Has any one noticed that "...Lovin' Feelin'" on the US Philles pressing is pressed slightly off centre? What I mean is the stylus moves in and out causing a fluctuation in pitch. At least that is how it is on my pressing, and even if I adjust it my self to make it sit in the middle it still sounds off. Another offender is "How Does It Feel" on the b side "Walking In The Rain" Richard http://www.wiz.to/richardsnow -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 09:39:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: A workable idea? Country Paul wrote: > ...what would it take to start up a record company > and get the work of some of our established but > overlooked artists out there? ... Well, you see the > dream. Is it a possible one? In my last 15 years I have produced a set of baseball cards, risking my life savings of $15,000, and broke even (after being threatened with a lawsuit by Major League Baseball); self-published a book of Civil War letters (last May) and about covered my costs already; and hope to this year release 1000 copies of a CD of live music from 1979 by America's greatest and maybe most beloved unknown band, and have just sold a piece of artwork which can cover the costs. What I'm saying is, if you do things right and keep your expenses down by doing most everything yourself, you can do most anything! The pleasure comes more from the doing than any monetary success (or lack of same). Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:10:59 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: More on one-chord songs Dr Mark: > Thank You For Letting ME Be Myself- SLY & THE FAMILY STONE On the label, well at least on my copy, the title is "Thank You (Falettin Me Be Mice Elf Agin)" Anne O'Rak -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 00:48:47 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Songwriter credits Me: > A song is distilled down to a chord pattern with > melody and lyrics riding above it. Glenn: > What about intros, turnarounds, and other instrumental portions that > are as much (and as crucial) a part of the creation of the song as > are the melody and lyrics?............. > I don't know about you, but if they *couldn't* be sued for stealing > my intro, I'd be P.O.'d. So the deal is, the parts you're refering to above are arrangement embellishments. When they are absolutely incredible and are composed by the actual songwritrs they should be part of the copyright. The only one that comes to mind is the intro that is in the song Whiter Shade of Pale 3x. That needed copyrighting. Fortunatly is was "written" by the composers (or lifted from public domain classical music). If an arranger had come up with it, he would NOT have been a songwriter. It's so weird, I know. Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:43:24 -0000 From: John Sellards Subject: Re: Rare mono albums from "The Great Mono Phase-Out of 1968!" > And speaking of Beatles, somebody told me that the mono > version of Magical Mystery Tour (Capitol MAL-2835) is no > different than the common stereo version. > Can anyone else expand on this? I have it, and I'm pretty sure there are some slight mix differences on side 1, and side 2 is all the mono single mixes. John Sellards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: P A F Subject: Re: introduction Tina Vozick wrote: > As means of introduction I should say I'm Paul Levinson's wife, Hello Tina and Spectropop members :) My apologies, everyone - leave it to me to jump in with both feet and not bother to introduce myself...! My name is P.A. Ferra - no one in particular musically, but I too am another lifelong fan of the music I grew up on, which is what brings me here. I joined about a month or so ago, and pop in every so often to see what's happening. Great to be here, and to meet all of you, too... Take care, PAF : ) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:30:51 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Ridiculous comparisons? Paul Bryant: > It's okay, I do not really believe Lulu was better > than Aretha Franklin. Having just stated that Cilla > Black did a better version of Alfie I was looking for > an even more ridiculous comparison. Have you heard Aretha Franklin's rendition of "Nessun Dorma"? Not a patch on Pavarotti's "Think" :-) PC -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:35:22 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Rare mono albums from "The Great Mono Phase-Out of 1968!" > And speaking of Beatles, somebody told me that the mono > version of Magical Mystery Tour (Capitol MAL-2835) is no > different than the common stereo version. > Can anyone else expand on this? I'm not surprised if it isnt much different since the UK issue was a mono EP and the original Capitol album had several songs in fake stereo. I was very happy to get songs like "Penny Lane" in true stereo when the CD came out in 1987. I saw several early Bee Gees mono promo copies (Bee Gee's 1st, Horizontal) at a used record store in Irving years ago. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:14:33 EST From: Mike McKay Subject: Re: Hits You Missed Dan Hughes wrote: > When I was in high school (early '60's), the local Kresge > store had a rack of 45 rpm records called HITS YOU MISSED, > and they were sold five records to a pack for 88 cents. > Because they were packed in plastic you could see only the > top and the bottom record--the three in the middle were unknown. > Usually the top and bottom records were well-known artists > but not-known songs (the top record usually had a picture sleeve), > and the three middle records were filler. Of course one man's > filler is another man's gold.... I do remember those packs well, and probably bought a few myself. However, I had another route that led to the same phenomenon. My uncle worked on the TV side of the local NBC affiliate, but their radio station was also in the same building. My introduction to rock 'n' roll came when he used to bring home promo singles the radio guys had discarded. Most were unknowns, but occasionally something that hit big was included (I remember getting "Little Town Flirt," for example, and also "Uh Oh" Parts 1 and 2 by The Nutty Squirrels!). I used to play those things to death, and I probably still have them all somewhere (God knows where, though!). There are two that stand out in my memory, and I wonder if anyone else recognizes and knows the artists: "Shimmy, Shimmy, Shimmy, Sherry" -- ?? This was a good jumpin' Contours-styled tune (but it was NOT "Shake Sherry"!). "Paper Roses" -- ?? This was NOT the Anita Bryant song, but a different one altogether. A sharp-voiced female singer, and the song was up-tempo rather than a ballad. Some of the lyrics I recall: Paper roses are making me blue Paper roses remind me of you Beautiful flowers that have no heart Just like you they (something something) since we're apart Ring any bells with anyone? Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 12:17:36 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: "Midnight Special" Me: > All my life I have wanted to know who played that GREAT lead guitar > on Midnight Special. And was it Gary Chester playing drums??? Paul Evans: > Al, First of all, it's terrific to hear from you and yes, I agree, > that was a great lead guitar on "Midnight Special". :-) > > However, the best I can do is tell you that it was played by EITHER > Everett Barksdale or Charley Macey - both outstanding sidemen and > staples of the New York recording scene in the 50s and 60s.(My best > guess is that it was Everett.) I believe (there's that uncertainty > again) that the drummer was Buddy Saltzman.He and Gary were THE New > York City drummers at the time, but I didn't really start to use > Gary's talents until I moved into producing jingles here in the > Apple. Thanks for askin' Now that you mention it, I can hear the drums being Buddy Salzman and the guitar being Everett. Correct me if I'm wrong - Everett was a black man and Charlie Macey was a white man. What a rare moment for Everett- the ad lib free tempo of the intro. It caused him to play with a fire that was usually doused by arrangement reading. You were a lucky man, Paul - Everett on fire AND 7 little girls in the back seat!!! Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:41:18 +0100 From: Andrew Hickey Subject: "Girl" > Reminds me of the myth that the Paul and George are singing > "tit tit tit" behind John's vocal on "Girl". It's "dit", not > "tit", but the t's run together and create the illusion. Actually I read an interview with McCartney a few years back in which he said that they *were* singing 'tit', but had told George Martin they were singing 'dit' so he wouldn't make them redo it. Although given McCartney's love for playing up to Beatles mythology, this shouldn't be taken as gospel, it certainly sounds like 'tit' to me... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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