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Volume #0352 December 2, 1999
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Visual Sound Stereo
Subject: Delrons / Victorians / Celia Paul
Received: 12/02/99 1:23 am
From: Jimmy Cresitelli, Jimxxxxxcom
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Thanks to all who wrote mentioning the fabulous Delrons! I
am in the process of making copies of some of the ephemera
I have regarding the group, for anyone who is interested:
the yearbook photos, a fanzine article I did years ago but
never submitted, etc. Fun stuff. Write and let me know.
Have since discovered in my archives yearbook pictures of
other Delrons: Nanette Licari, Regina Gallagher, Ann
Fitzgerald... they were all senior graduates at St.
Brendan's High School back in 1964.
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Any information on the Victorians, who recorded for (I
believe) RCA Victor back in (probably) late 1963-early
1964? They have some GREAT cuts, all fabulous Spector
sound-alikes (very much like Bob B. Soxx and the Blue
Jeans in style). "Oh What A Night For Love" shimmers and
rumbles and cascades... "You're Invited to A Party" is
very much like a late Crystals cut, and "What Makes Little
Girls Cry" makes one wonder if the Victorians actually ARE
Bobby Sheen and the Blossoms... any clues? Pictures?
History?
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Back a few posts I talked about having some very
Spectorian cuts by a Japanese girl singer. I believe she
recorded in 1964-65, maybe later... I found some clues in
my archives, that the 4 songs I have were recorded by a
girl named Celia Paul "for the Ohtaki LP." I also recall
hearing (years ago) that her husband actually produced her
... Mr. Ohtaki, perhaps? Two of the songs she does in
English are "Cha Cha Cha Charming" and "Tonight You Belong
To Me." The two in Japanese that I have, though, are
fabulous... I wish I could tell you the names. One employs
a Spectorian thunder-and-rainstorm beginning... the other
has a spoken break, and Celia (I assume) is saying
something in Japanese, obviously heartbroken, because her
voice gets caught on tears on th elast few words... even
though it's in japanese, it rips your heart out! They're
really, really good... beautifully and professionally
produced. Any info, anyone? Hope you all had a great
Thanksgiving, and continue merrily enjoying the Holidays.
Happy Hannukak December 4th. : )
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Subject: Flames
Received: 11/29/99 1:22 pm
From: Ian Chippett, IChixxxxxcom
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Billy G. Spradlin wrote:
> I recall a funny story in some rock history book by
> Frankie Valli (...or it could have been Bob Gaudio) when
> the group was recording "Big Girls Don't Cry" at Stea
> Phillips, the building next door to the studio was on fire
> and Firemen or the Police were trying to get the group and
> studio musicians to stop recording the song and leave. Bob
> Crewe believed this song was a such a smash (or didn't want
> to book more studio time!) they kept right on recording the
> song while fire trucks were battling the blaze and smoke
> was starting to come through the studio's ventilation
> system. I have listened to "Big Girls" many times on CD
> and never was able to hear any sirens or extra noises so I
> guess the studio had excellent soundproofing. Needless to
> say they cut a very "hot" record!
I wonder what Brian Wilson would have done... 8-)
Ian Chippett
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Subject: Mixing labels
Received: 11/29/99 1:21 pm
From: Ian Chapman, iaxxxxx.net
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Will wrote...
> would all labels ever
> allow their cuts to be put on one master collection? Is
> there any hositility between labels? For example, is UA
> wanted to put their Crystals tracks on a comp with some
> Spector tracks, Phil and company would never let it happen.
> Is this the exception or the rule? Ian, you've done
> comps, what is it like?
Depends who owns the rights to the tracks, Will. Sometimes
it's a company, sometimes they belong to an individual,
such as a producer. And just because a track once appeared
on a particular label doesn't necessarily mean it is still
associated with that label. In the UK, "mixing" of tracks
on comps does happen sometimes if the reissue company is
prepared to pay to license tracks that it doesn't hold the
rights to. They occasionally do this if they want to do a
complete anthology of an artist, and the cost of licensing
isn't too high. But mostly, I've found the reissue
companies to be reluctant to do this - it's obviously more
economical for them (especially the smaller ones) just to
stick with the catalogues that they have the rights to.
Ian
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Subject: Re: Four Seasons
Received: 11/29/99 1:21 pm
From: WASE RADIO,xxxxxt.org
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Hi Billy:
The only thing I have on the Four Seasons is the 3 cd set,
originally released in 1987. This covers their entire
career as well as the Frankie Valli solo stuff. Years ago
I use to have the "Edizione D'Oro" two album set. A couple
of interesting curios. It had the rare stereo version of "
Rag Doll", a rare stereo version of "Let's Hang On" (minus
the slow verse at the beginning. But the big minus is "Will
You Still Love Me Tomorrow?" which sounds like someone
stuffed towels in my speakers. In other words it sounded
horrible-absolutely no highs. I used to have the two album
set on Private Stock called "The Four Seasons Story". The
stereo versions of the early hits such as "Sherry" and "
Big Girls Don't Cry" sounds tighter-with the rhythm
section in the center with the lead vocal, and the
background vocals on the right. Both those sets miss the
Frankie Valli solo hits.
Michael G. Marvin
WASE radio
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Subject: Phil Spector
Received: 11/29/99 1:22 pm
From: Spxxxxxm.com
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>Lucky you. Do you recall what sessions those were? Did Phil
>personally take you down to Gold Star so that you could
>watch him work?
Yes. He brought my brothers and I down when he was
recording the Ramones "End of the Century" album. My
brothers slept on a couch in the front while I was wide
awake and very interested in watching him work during the
very late hours. We even went out for pizza with Joey
Ramone after one session. I think he was the only one
being recorded that day.
>"Father"? "The other twin?" Are you Gary???? :)
Yes.
>Very interesting post, SPECTRE! I can corroborate your
>comment about his being generous to close friends. Rodney
>Bingenheimer once told me how helpful Phil had been to him
>when Rodney needed some medical work done, and I believe
>Phil helped Humble Harv out of some trouble too. I quite
>liked the Ribowsky book, but when reading these rock
>history books, one has to remember that not everything
>can be taken as undisputed fact.
I assume Rodney is from "Rodney on the Roq" in Los Angeles.
If so, I met him a couple of times. He always reminded
me of a rooster with his hair done the way he did. Nice
guy. I was not aware of the help that was given to him. I
have heard that Phil was helping Lenny Bruce out quit a
bit. Most of what he does that I am aware of is his
anonymous donations to charities. He has even helped me
with the rent a couple of times when I really needed it.
>Rumor has it that Phil is back in the studio working
>with a teenage diva for Ahmet Ertegun. Know anything about
>this?
Sorry. I do not know. I was informed that he is going back
into the studio but with whom, I do not know. The last
person that I was aware of him working with was Celine
Dion through SONY. Sorry to say but SONY did not like the
time schedule he was keeping and ended the sessions.
G. Spector
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Subject: Real studio musicians
Received: 11/29/99 1:22 pm
From: Carol Kaye, caroxxxxxhlink.net
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>He's some kind of genius. Once he showed me the guitar part he
>wanted--it was so simple I was insulted. It sounded
>horrible! I stopped between takes and said 'Van Dyke!
>What *is* this shit??!!' He said 'trust me.'
Tobias, this kind of language totally gives this fellow
away as a fraud. NO real studio musicians ever talk this
way! That's low-class, totally UN-PROFESSIONAL! I'd be
suspicious of anything someone like that said.
I had heard from Hal Blaine about how Phil ran into some
New York studio musicians who evidently didn't appreciate
how Phil conducted his dates, and were pretty disdainful
of Phil, his youth, his ideas etc. but nothing like this.
This guy is a fraud, I'd be careful of him or anything he
said.
I liked working for Van Dyke, tho't he was a nice chap.
This guitar-player fellow who told you that is NOT a
competent musician, and certainly NO professional studio
musician. You have to chuckle over his apparent arrogance,
that's really a stupid trait.
And yes, I saw a little cocaine use by a few of the studio
musicians in the studios in the 70s (one reason why I was
more than happy to work the more staid movie and TV film
calls), but it still was not out in the open that much....
except with one producer who I'll not name here. He even
talks about it on the radio....much like boozers used to
brag about "tying one one" etc.
A few of my bunch of 350 or so studio musicians even got
into it, but not very much....from what I can tell....the
bulk of our studio musician bunch did not and wouldn't.
Best, Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/
PS. Thanks John and William, for your nice words.
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Subject: She`s Still Our Baby
Received: 12/02/99 1:23 am
From: john rausch,xxxxx.net
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The new 12/17 issue of Goldmine is out with a cover story
on Ronnie Spector. Great front cover shot and very nice article.
John Rausch
Presenting The Fabulous Ronettes featuring Ronnie Spector at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2469/
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Subject: The Liquid Room 11/27/99
Received: 12/02/99 1:23 am
From: Ponak, David, david.xxxxxcom
To: Spectropop, spectxxxxxities.com
The Liquid Room airs every Saturday Morning (Friday night)
from 3-6 on 90.7 FM KPFK. (98.7 in Santa Barbara County).
Also check out my show The Nice Age at http://
www.spikeradio.com Monday and Wednesday evenings from
8-10, PST.
The Liquid Room 11/27/99:
1.The Comittee-California My Way
Happy Together: The Best Of White Whale Records (Varese Sarabande)
2.Arling & Cameron-Shiva's Daughter
Music For Imaginary Films (Emperor Norton)
3.Esquivel-Cumana
See It In Sound (7n/BMG)
4.Faye Wong-Love For Strangers Only
Love For Strangers Only (EMI Hong Kong)
5.Space Ponch-Batanga Cha Cha Cha
The World Shopping With Space Ponch (Transonic/Flavour-Japan)
This is my new favorite. Wonderful retro moogy pop music!
6.Martin Denny-Tokyo Melody
Exotica 90 (Inside Out-Japan)
7.Apollo Four Forty-The Perfect Crime
Gettin' High On Your Own Supply (Sony-UK)
8.Frank Sinatra-Night And Day (funky blacksploitation version)
A Swingin' Night At The Sabre Room (w/Dino too) (MAC)
9.Handsome Boy Modeling School-Metaphysical (Feat. Miho Hatori of Cibo
Matto
& Mike D. of the Beastie Boys)
So...How's Your Girl (Tommy Boy)
10.Piero Umiliani-Fotomodelle
Svezia Inferno E Paradiso (Right Tempo-Italy)
11.The Fur Ones-French Bread
Odd Numbers (Bobsled)
12.Reparta & The Delrons-Weather Forcast
Whenever A Teenager Cries
13.Nancy Sinatra-You Only Live Twice (Single Version)
You Go-Go Girl (Varese Sarabande)
14.Momus-Walter Carlos
The Little Red Songbook (Le Grand Magistery)
15.Wendy Carlos-Handel: Water Music
Switched On Boxed Set (East Side Digital)
16.The Happenings-Randy
The Best Of... (BT Puppy/Sequel-UK)
17.The Gentle People-Underwater
Simply Faboo (Rephlex)
18.Michel Polnareff-Music De Rabelais
Les Premiere Annes (3 disc box set) (Universal-France)
19.The Mailibooz-Crest, Then Fallen
Living Water (The Surfer's Mass) (The Pier Group)
20.Bruce & Terry-Come Love
The Best Of... (Sundazed)
21.Saint Etienne-La Poupee Quit Fait Non
A Tribute To Polnareff (XIII Bis)
22.Merle Haggard-If We Make It Through December
Anthology (Razor & Tie)
23.High Llamas-Amin
Snowbug (V2)
24.Rupert Holmes-The People That You Never Get To Love
Partners In Crime (MCA)
25.Mercury Rev-Endlessly
Deserter's Songs (V2)
26.The Divine Comedy-The Certainty Of Chance
A Secret History (Setanta)
27.Jack Jones-What Are You Doing For The Rest Of Your Life?
Jack Jones Sings Michel Legrand (RCA/Laserlight)
28.Prince-I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore
Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic (NPG/Arista)
29.The Shirelles-It's Love That Really Counts (In The Long Run)
25 All Time Greatest Hits (Varese Sarabande)
30.The Ronettes-I Can Hear Music
Phil Spector Wall Of Sound Vol. 4 (PS International)
31.The Peppermint Trolley Co.-Trust
The Peppermint Trolley Co. (ACTA)
32.Chad & Jeremy-The Ark
The Ark (Columbia)
33.Le Tone-Joli Dragon
Le Petit Nabab (Creation-UK)
34.Ananda Shankar-Metamorphis
Ananda Shankar (Reprise)
35.Walker Brothers-Deadlier Than The Male
The Mad Mad World Of Soundtracks (Motor-Germany)
36.Scott Walker-Only Myself To Blame
The World Is Not Enough (Soundtrack) (Radioactive)
37.Fun Lovin' Criminals-Up On The Hill
100% Columbian (Virgin)
38.Bossa Rio-Up Up And Way
Bossa Rio (A&M)
39.Beck-Get Real Paid
Midnight Vultures (DGC)
40.Sonny Bono-Cheryl's Goin' Home
Inner Views (Rhino Handmade)
41.Sissy Bar-Sour
Songs For Peeps (Mootron)
42.Honey Ltd.-I've Got Your Man
Honey Ltd. (LHI)
43.Kahimi Karie-Kahimi Karie Et Moi
K.K.K.K. (Le Grand Magistery)
44.Chisato Moritaka-Miracle Light
single (One Up-Japan)
45.Space Ponch-Tati Suite
The World Shopping With Space Ponch (Transonic/Flavour-Japan)
46.The Hang Ups-Parkway
Second Story (Restless)
47.Paul Williams-Morning I'll Be Movin' On
Someday Man (Reprise)
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