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Volume #0038 02/05/98
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super fi sound - in stereo
Subject: Grass Roots Question
Sent: 2/4/98 2:48 PM
Received: 2/5/98 1:04 AM
From: Richard Globman, rglobXXX@XXXXXXeocomm.net
Jack asked:
> I keep pondering the two-disc Rhino best-of, and the
> single-disc MCA best-of. Is there any reason to go with
> one over the other? Does the MCA disc have everything
> one would need, or maybe they are re-recordings or
> something weird like that?
Don't know about the Rhino set, but I have the MCA disk. Three pages of
liner notes (you'll need about 47 magnifying glasses to read it, however).
Track lineup is:
1. Let's Live For Today
2. Where Wer You When I Needed You
3. Things I Should Have Said
4. Midnight Confessions
5. The River Is Wide
6. Bella Linda
7. Lovin' Things
8. Wait A Million Years
9. Baby Hold On
10. Heaven Knows
11. Come On and Say It
12. Temptation Eyes
13. Two Divided by Love
14. Glory Bound
15. The Runway
16. Sooner or Later
Off the top of my pointy little head, I can't think of anything major
that is missing.
DICKYG
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Subject: Re: Grass Roots
Sent: 2/4/98 8:53 AM
Received: 2/5/98 1:04 AM
From: David Bash, BashXXX@XXXXXXm
<< From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
I keep pondering the two-disc Rhino best-of, and the single-disc MCA
best-of. Is there any reason to go with one over the other? Does the
MCA disc have everything one would need, or maybe they are re-recordings
or something weird like that? >>
Hi Jack,
Definitely go with the Rhino Collection, for two reasons: 1. The Grass
Roots had much more to offer than what is on the MCA disc, certainly 36
tracks worth and 2. The sound quality on the Rhino set is infinitely
better, and the book that comes with it is interesting and informative.
--
Spectropop Rules!!!!!
Take Care,
David
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Subject: Re: The Grass Roots
Sent: 2/4/98 2:30 PM
Received: 2/5/98 1:04 AM
From: Javed Jafri, javedjaXXX@XXXXXX.ca
Jack,
The one re-recording you have to be aware of is the one done for the
first Grass Roots single "Where Were You When I Needed You". The original
song was done by P.F. Sloan and fellow studio hands. The original concept
of the band was very much a Sloan studio project. Once the song became a
hit a real group was put together with Robb Grill and co. This new
fabricated group became a force to be reckoned with and recorded and
released some fine material but they recorded their own vocals over the
original track of WWYWINY for an early Greatest Hits comp. I still prefer
the cool original.
I have a greatest hits by the group on which recordings originally made
by the second and Sloan-less incarnation of the band are re-recorded. I
don't recall the label off hand but I was disappointed when I first heard
it.
A bit of interesting trivia concerning the name Grass Roots. This was the
original name of the group Love (of Forever Changes fame) but they had to
drop the name when the Slaon recording started to take off.
Javed
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Subject: Grassroots/Neo Girl Group Sounds
Sent: 2/4/98 8:54 AM
Received: 2/5/98 1:04 AM
From: David Marsteller, davebXXX@XXXXXXlin.org
I can't speak on the relative merits of the two sets (I'll keep my vinyl
for now), but the MCA recordings ought to be the originals.
>
> Have there been that many girl-group-sounding recordings
> that have managed to break onto the charts in the past
> 15 or 20 years? There must be others, but at this
> moment all I can think of is Tracey Ullman's "They Don't
> Know," The Pointer Sisters' "He's So Shy" (a particularly
> faithful recreation of that old genre that we love so
> well here on Spectropop), and perhaps Madonna's "True
> Blue."
Hmm, I thought Melissa Manchester's "You Should Hear How He Talks About
You" was pretty close. Mari Wilson's "Just What I Always Wanted" reminds
me of Dusty Springfield, unfortunately that wasn't a U.S. hit (as far as
I know). Was Ronnie Spector's "Say Goodbye To Hollywood" mentioned
recently on this list? I'm sure there are more songs out there, but they
probably didn't make the charts.
Later
Dave
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Subject: Beat at Abbey Road
Sent: 2/3/98 5:44 PM
Received: 2/4/98 8:08 AM
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
Does anyone have any thoughts on this new compilation I've seen, called
The Beat at Abbey Road?
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: Neo-Girl Group Sounds
Sent: 2/4/98 2:48 PM
Received: 2/5/98 1:04 AM
From: Richard Globman, rglobXXX@XXXXXXeocomm.net
Jack Madani SED:
> Have there been that many girl-group-sounding recordings
> that have managed to break onto the charts in the past 15
> or 20 years? There must be others, but at this moment
> all I can think of is Tracey Ullman's "They Don't Know,"
> The Pointer Sisters' "He's So Shy" (a particularly
> faithful recreation of that old genre that we love so
> well here on Spectropop), and perhaps Madonna's "True
> Blue."
Oh man....how could you forget the absolutely wonderful "This Is It" by
Natalie Cole? I mean, can't you just hear Martha & The Vandellas all
over that?
DICKYG (Nat would have been so proud of her!)
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Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0037
Sent: 2/4/98 11:48 AM
Received: 2/5/98 1:04 AM
From: Ken Williamson, KentXXX@XXXXXXm
In a message dated 3/2/98 3:01:47 pm, you wrote:
>and with the recent promo 4 disc box that's been
>circulating around, Bacharach has become a mainstay recently at
> the homestead.
Any idea where one might be able to pick this up? I've been looking for
this for at least the last three years. Thanks.
--KFW
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Subject: Re: Bacharach
Sent: 2/4/98 1:07 PM
Received: 2/5/98 1:04 AM
From: Paul MacArthur, rtf_XXX@XXXXXXdu
Re: Bacharach
>>...Varese has a Bacharach songbook due out Feb 24th.
>>Does anyone have a track list.
McCoy Tyner did a very good tribute to Bacharach that came out this
summer.
It's called WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS NOW...THE MUSIC OF BURT BACHARACH.
Lots of strings on it, but the arrangements by John Clayton are pretty
good and Tyner is of course a great soloist.
- Paul
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Subject: Girls! Girls! Girls!
Sent: 2/4/98 8:26 AM
Received: 2/5/98 1:04 AM
From: le_page_XXX@XXXXXXies.com
Jack Madani wrote:
>Have there been that many girl-group-sounding recordings
>that have managed to break onto the charts in the past 15 or 20 >years?
No, there haven't, and it's interesting that the genre seems to be locked
into the early sixties, up to around when JFK was offed. After the GG
sound faded, there were few GG sounding discs. Even when there is a
reference, it is usually parody, as in "Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" by
Julie somebody (I forget, but I can still name all three of the
Ronettes!) Sure there is the occasional cover, like Mariah Carey's
Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) or Celine Dion's River Deep, but these
*sound* little like GG records. If you think about it, more male artists
make GG-sounding records than do female artists.
It may be the lyrics. Lesley Gore sang "Maybe I know that he's been
,cheating maybe I know that he's been untrue, but what can I do" while
Brian sang "It'd be another story if she looked at the guys." The typical
GG record was about giving one's "heart" away and the fear of being
rejected. Of course there is the occasional exception like Glenda
Collins' "It's Hard To Believe It" (a bizarre lyric but arguably Joe
Meek's finest record ever).
One cover that comes to mind is Dolly Parton et al doing Mr. Sandman.
Even that was a novelty, though, and besides, Chordettes were really
pre-GG; more like a female barbershop vocal group. Great stuff, though.
Archie Bleyer was a visionary.
>Heaven knows I love Spector, but there's plenty to recommend
>that other school of production, that "east coast sound," I guess
>you'd call it.
Yes, there are plenty of East Coast records worth recommending.
New York records tend to be disciplined and feature a small ensemble with
an emphasis on jazzy R&B-ish shuffle. West Coast records are typically
wild, big and reverby, many with a strong eight beat rock feel. I think a
big reason for the difference in sound is the difference in the nature of
the entertainment businesses on each coast; East being Broadway, West
being film and TV. Now where do the Brit GG records by Tony Hatch, Ivor
Raymonde etc. fit in to this theory?
East Coast/West Coast...Don't forget the Motor City!
LePageWeb
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