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Volume #0172 October 23, 1998
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Dedicated to the World's Greatest General Amusement
Subject: april young
Sent: 10/22/98 10:44 am
Received: 10/23/98 12:06 am
From: john rausch, XX.net
To: Spectropop List, spectr XXities.com
jimmy wrote:
>For all you newbies: for a great taste of the Girl-Group genre,
>have a listen to April Young's "To Be Loved By You." It will make
>you SMILE, especially when she growls "I'm a lucky girl" and
>squeals "ooooooh" just before a refrain... ooo-wee indeed!
...what a great song, also I like her other one "gonna make him my
baby", which is also included in the "touch the wall of sound" cd
set.
...and to david marsteller:
the wall of sound set that you mentioned being on clearance is a
reissued 2 disc set,the original release was on 3 discs from japan.
That is the set i have but i`m not sure if the newer set was
condensed track wise to fit on 2 discs, the original 3 disc set
has a total of 60 cuts. great collection by the way :-) most of
the songs were transferred directly from the records to cd, there
are some stereo but mostly mono . "cause i love him" by alder ray
is in stereo and sounds great, but thanks to a tape from mark
landwehr, i got to hear the mono mix which has more umph....maybe
more "compression?"
jonr
Presenting the Fabulous
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Subject: Re: Help me Baldy
Sent: 10/22/98 8:12 am
Received: 10/23/98 12:06 am
From: Marc Wielage, XXctrax.com
To: Spectropop List, spectr XXities.com
Ron Bierma <LRO XXcom> asked on the Spectropop List:
><< some kind of analogue harmoniser designed in the 60s (which is
>effectively what the system you describe is; a piece of equipment
>which changes the pitch of music, but not its duration - or vice
>versa).>>
>
>was this the trick(?) used in the Beach Boys "She's Going Bald" in
>the Sha-na na na part where the voices get higher, but the beat
>stays the same? I always assumed the boys timed it in such a way
>to speed up the tape, but slow down their tempo as they sang.
>anyone know? RB
>----------------snip----------------<
As far as I know, there was no such thing as an "analog harmonizer."
The first harmonizer I know of was Eventide's original box from
about 1970 or thereabouts, which is right around the time the first
digital delays came out. In 1967, the year "She's Going Bald" came
out on SMILEY SMILE, no such devices existed; I'm fairly certain
they just did it the hard way, varispeeding a tape machine and
just changing their own voices as required to match the tape. With
practice, you can do it, but it's not easy.
Now, there were analog delays, pitch-shifters, and other devices,
but they were all tape-based and very crude (like the "ADT"
double-tracking tape machine built by EMI engineers in the mid-
1960s to placate John Lennon).
Also, as a side-note to Doc Rock elsewhere, as far as I know, the
only time-compression devices available in the 1960s were
variable-speed turntables and tape machines. I don't know of any
that "sampled" pieces of signals and could pitch-shift a song
without also changing the playing time, and in fact, I strongly
doubt it was possible. The Top 40 station in Tampa where I grew up
sped-up many of the songs they played in the early 1970s, but they
just did it with vari-speed QRK turntables. It was only much later
that the ability to time-compress without a change in pitch (with
digital Eventide and Lexicon processors) was possible; the
opposite was also done a lot in the late 1970s/early 1980s, used
by groups like ELO and artists like Michael Jackson.
--MFW
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Subject: She's Going Bald
Sent: 10/23/98 3:15 am
Received: 10/23/98 12:06 am
From: Jamie LePage, le_page XXities.com
To: Spectropop List, spectr XXities.com
Ron wrote:
>>a piece of equipment which changes the pitch of music, but not
>>its duration - or vice versa).
>>
>was this...used in..."She's Going Bald"? I always assumed the
>boys timed it in such a way to speed up the tape...
Hi Ron,
I am unaware of any equipment in the 60's that could compress or
stretch time, but I can offer an opinion on the Smiley Smile
question.
I don't think they sped up the vocal tape, I think it was the
other way around. As the vocals were being recorded, the engineer
slowed down the multi-track tape little by little with a
variable speed oscillator. The vocalists were hearing the rhythm
track slowing down little by little, so they were able to keep
their singing in time with the retarding rhythm. When the multi
was played back at normal speed, the rhythm sounded relatively
consistent and the singing in time, but the voices got progressively
higher.
...either that or the effect was achieved through the ingestion of
mind altering pharmaceuticals that made _everybody_ progressively
higher.
Probably both. ;-)
--
Jamie "Teleprompting on PSML, Brian Lite on Spectropop!" LePage
le_page XXities.com
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Subject: simon & garfunkel, etc.
Sent: 10/22/98 1:23 pm
Received: 10/23/98 12:06 am
From: Frank Youngwerth, F XXcom
To: Spectropop List, spectr XXities.com
<<the story i'd read (as related by hal blaine) was that they
recorded the snare for "the boxer" in the rather echo-y hallway. >>
...and (if I remember right) at one point an elevator opens and an
unsuspecting janitor, attending to his late-night cleaning rounds,
looks out and gives Hal a "What the hell's going on here?" look.
Also, I think part of the opening percussion on the Beach Boys'
"Caroline No" is Blaine hitting the bottom of a large plastic jar
directly over a toilet bowl.
btw, count me another big fan of Danny Hutton's "Roses and
Rainbows;" as for April Young, I love her "Gonna Make Him My Baby"
--as long as I'm rambling here, thanks Barbara Alston for relating
your memories; I'm in awe of the people who made these wonderful
records.
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Subject: Babs Alston, the Writer
Sent: 10/22/98 7:43 am
Received: 10/23/98 12:06 am
From: Tom Simon, ts XXcom
To: Spectropop List, spectr XXities.com
Babs,
You mentioned something about you and Fatima writing a book
together about your experiences with the Crystals. I have read
what you are putting up on this list and it seems to me that in
addition to being the terrific singer that you are, you also have
some writing ability.
If you ever do get such a book written and published, I bet it
will be a very good one. I hope that you would tell everything
just as it happened (and I am sure that that is how you would do
it). I would be one of the first in line to get your book and read
it.
Tom Simon
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Subject: Twist Uptown
Sent: 10/22/98 11:22 am
Received: 10/23/98 12:06 am
From: john rausch, XX.net
To: Spectropop List, spectr XXities.com
>How about that pink ABKCO sleeve design there? What's
>THAT about?!?
>
>...and to think, they could have used the photo from the
>Twist Uptown LP. It's probably the greatest GG album jacket
>ever.
hi jamie,
I agree about the artwork on the Crystals ABKCO CD; the Twist
Uptown cover really is a classic. Anyone interested in seeing this
classic lp cover can check it out at:
http://members.tripod.com/~rauschj/twist_uptown.JPG
I have been reworking my Phil Spector site and one of the first
things I have started is on the new Crystals page and will be using
the cover artwork from the lp.
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