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Volume #0168 October 17, 1998
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File under: Female Vocal
Subject: Babs!
Sent: 10/16/98 7:10 am
Received: 10/17/98 3:39 am
From: Tom Simon, tsiXXXX@XXXom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
> ADMIN NOTE: Spectropop is delighted to announce that Ms. Barbara
> Alston of the Crystals has subscribed.
Hi Babs! Nice to have you with us!
Tom Simon
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Subject: Welcome, Barbara Alston
Sent: 10/16/98 4:59 am
Received: 10/16/98 7:50 am
From: David Feldman, feldXXXX@XXXderables.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
> Spectropop is delighted to announce that Ms. Barbara
> Alston of the Crystals has subscribed. I'm sure you will join
> in welcoming her to the list.
I'm so delighted that you are joining us. I love this group -- we
seem to be able to talk about the Crystals, Lesley Gore, Dionne
Warwick, or the Critters -- without anyone putting down the
interest.
And of course, I love the Crystals, too. As much as many of us are
fond of the work of Phil Spector, I think you'll find that we
appreciate the (pardon the expression) supreme talents of the
individual singers -- sometimes these contributions tend to get lost
in the mix in critics' writings.
Dave Feldman
Candy of the Week: Atomic Fireballs
CD of the Week: The Nuggets Set
Missing in Action: David's shirts in the Real World
Best Time Killer of the 90's: Filling out the UPDATED gender survey at
"http://www.imponderables.com"
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Subject: early Dawn???
Sent: 10/16/98 12:48 am
Received: 10/17/98 3:39 am
From: Mark Landwehr, mslXXXX@XXXbs.com
To: Spectropop List, SpectroXXXX@XXXties.com
I have a record (Golden World 38) with the song "How's Your New Love
Treating You?" by The Debonaires...I was told many years ago by the
guy I bought it from that it was "an early Dawn recording" (before
Tony Orlando came along) - I can't verify this. The song is mid-
tempo & pretty ordinary.
Anyone have an answer to this??
Mark
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Subject: Re: compression
Sent: 10/16/98 2:50 am
Received: 10/16/98 3:39 am
From: harvey john williams, harvey.williXXXX@XXXxcite.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
Fascinating Stories re. compression, Doc. I've often heard rumours
of some kind of analogue harmoniser designed in the 60s (which is
effectively what the system you describe is; a piece of equipment
which changes the pitch of music, but not its duration - or vice
versa). However, its working method seems a bit hit-&-miss; surely
if a 'gap' is removed from a piece of music, it would simply sound
like a bad edit?! You'd lose the beat! This principle does work
more convincingly with speech, which naturally contains lots of
gaps (and no beat!), but popmusic is pretty nonstop, particularly
on 1960s 45s, so I'm not sure how effective it would be.
By the way, digital data compression is not used on CDs at all (or
DATs), to my knowledge; the A/D conversion is completely linear.
However, it is used on Minidiscs (and DCCs) basically -very!-
because more bits need to be crammed onto the medium, so the 'less
important data' is lost.
The scientifically-proveable reason CDs sound worse than records
is .... ah, but that's a whole different argument.
Enough already! Back to popmusic!
Regards, Harvey Williams
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Subject: "What Am I Gonna Do with You"
Sent: 10/16/98 1:57 pm
Received: 10/17/98 3:39 am
From: Frank Youngwerth, FMXXXX@XXXom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
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The version on the mono LP of *My Town, My Guy, and Me* is great.
Lesley's lead vocal is double-tracked (unlike on Golden Hits,
where it isn't), and the backing track has some kick to it. My
favorite part is the confusion during the line "Guess I'm just a
girl you stay with..." because when I first played in on the LP,
the blurriness from the double-tracking makes Lesley *sound* like
she's singing "Guess I'm just a girl you slept with / To see what
you can get away with" which I thought was amazing until I
realized I was hearing it wrong!
Which reminds me, does anybody know "The Way of Love" by female
British singer Kathy Kirby? If you follow the lyrics, they seem to
imply a bisexual setup, kinda unusual for a 1966 pop song (unless
you count something like David Crosby's "Triad"). Or maybe I'm
hearing these lyrics wrong too...
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Subject: correction
Sent: 10/16/98 9:37 pm
Received: 10/17/98 3:39 am
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
>Now, we still haven't considered anthologies for the Shirelles,
>the Cookies,...
Sorry, when I said "Shirelles," I meant to say "Shangri-Las."
jack
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: GIRLS AND GIRL GROUPS
Sent: 10/16/98 4:02 am
Received: 10/16/98 7:50 am
From: Doc Rock, docroXXXX@XXXcom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
I've very much enjoyed the girl group discussions on this list and
have acquired a few CDs with gg songs, specially one that Claudia
recommended. My question to the list: would you post a list of
possibly 6 or more CDs that are readily available
Most of my GG stuff is on vinyl, but here is a list of what I have
on CD so far! I'll star the ones I highly recommend.
Doc
GIRLS AND GIRL GROUPS
Best of the Angels *
The Complete Cookies *
All the Hits by Jo Ann Campbell
Vikki Carr
The Chenille Sisters haute Chenille
The Chenille Sisters True to Life
Claudine Clark "Party Lights"
"Tell Him" the Exciters
The Fleetwoods Mr. Blue
Wanda Jackson "Let's Have A Party"
Wanda Jackson Vintage Collections
Barbara Lewis "Hello Stranger" *
LLLL Little Eva *
Lesley Gore the Mercury Anthology *
Little Peggy March "Boy Crazy"
Little Peggy March "I Will Follow Him"
The Very Best of Little Peggy March *
The Poni Tails "Born Too Late
The Pixies Three Now and Then
Reparata and the Del Rons "Whenever a Teenager Cries
Diane Renay Navy Blue *
Linda Scott Linda *
The Best of the Shangri-Las *
Dee Dee Sharp All the Golden Hits
Joanie Somers
Dodie Stevens Ultimate Collection
The Best of Gale Storm
Diana Ross and the Supremes 20 Greatest Hits
Sue Thompson Greatest Hits (Collectibles) *
Sue Thompson Greatest Hits (Curb)
Sue Thompson Meet Sue Thompson
The Best of Timi Yuro
VA GIRLS
All Them girls At the Hop
Back to the Girl Zone
The Best of Red Bird *
Carroll Meet the Girls *
Darian's Dolls *
Dream Boy Vol 3 *
Girls in the Garage
Growin' Up Too Fast ****!
The Girl Group Sound the Darlings of the 1960's Vol 1-5 *, 09 ,
Girls Girls Girls Volume 1-5, 07 , 09 , 10, 11 (Marginal Records)
Golden Girl Groups
My Boyfriend's Back, the Story of the Girl Groups
Playin' Hard to Get
Rockin' Boppin' Girls
Rockin' Boppin' Ladies
Surf Bunnies and Hot Rod Honeys
You Can Be Wrong About Boys
Where the Girls Are
Here Come the Girls Vol. 8
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Subject: starter set
Sent: 10/16/98 7:11 am
Received: 10/17/98 3:39 am
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
>would you post a list of
>possibly 6 or more CDs that are readily available ( and ones to
>look-out for) that would get me started on a representative
>collection of girl groups?
Greg, it's a reasonable question, and in fact I wonder if we on
the list might want to use the opportunity to put together a sort
of primer, a list of albums for various categories of spectacular
retro pop, that would get added to the Spectropop web site.
My Music Hound Essential Album Guide To Rock offers the following
list, which is as good a place as any to start the discussion:
"A Dozen Great Girl Group Albums"
1.Growin' Up Too Fast: The Girl Group Anthology
Various Artists (Mercury/Chronicles)
2.The Best Of The Girl Groups, Vol.1 and 2
Various Artists (Rhino)
3.Atlantic Sisters Of Soul
Various Artists (Rhino/Atlantic & Atco Remasters)
4.Anthology
The Supremes (Motown)
5.Best Of The Ronettes
(Abcko)
6.Best Of The Crystals
(Abcko)
7.Anthology (1959-1967)
The Shirelles (Rhino)
8.Milestones
Martha & the Vandellas (Motown)
9.Deliver: The Singles (1961-1971)
The Marvelettes (Motown)
[and then 10-12 are Banarama, Salt-N-Pepa, and TLC, which of
course are way outside our field of concentration)
Personally, I think there's no doubt that "Growin' Up Too Fast"
must be on any short list of indispensable girlgroup albums. I
also have Vol.1 of the Rhino Best Of The Girl Groups and think
that it, too, deserves consideration for inclusion on a must-have
list (I never bothered to pick up Vol2, though, because I found
that I had all the songs on various other discs).
It seems to me that if you get the Phil Spector Box Set you
wouldn't have to get #5 or #6 from the list.
I like Motown, but it doesn't get me under the skin the way that
some other music does, so I don't have enough experience with the
Marvelettes or Martha & the Vandellas beyond their very biggest
hits to be able to say one way or another whether #8 and #9 above
merit inclusion on the list. However, I find that my cd collection
*does* include a single disc greatest hits of Diana Ross & The
Supremes ("Compact Command Performances: 20 Greatest Hits"). That
does me pretty well.
I don't know what's on the Atlantic Sisters of Soul compilation.
Now, we still haven't considered anthologies for the Shirelles,
the Cookies, the Angels, the Chiffons, the Honeys, Reparata & The
Delrons, Lesley Gore, Connie Francis, Brenda Lee, Dionne Warwick,
Dusty Springfield, Sandie Shaw, Petula Clark....or the Tammys.
(DOES such an anthology exist for the Tammys?)
As for other various artists sets, there the Touch The Wall Of
Sound three-disc set (sooper highly recommended), the three volume
Dream Boy anthology on M&M (I only have #2 and #3, and can't seem
to locate #1 anywhere so if somebody knows....), and the massive
Here Come The Girls series, at last count up to volume 9. I don't
have #2 or 5 of that series; of the ones I do have, I like #1, 04 ,
and 6 best. Those volumes I recommend all concentrate on British
recording artists.
I have on vinyl a strong comp called "Where The Girls Are," which
is where I first got to hear the Cake's "Baby That's Me" (which is
also on Touch The Wall Of Sound). I understand that the cd version
has an expanded lineup; I imagine that would be a strong contender
for gotta-get status.
Ackshully, this really could be fun for us to come up with a
"list-approved" set of recommendations.
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXXX@XXX12.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: Three Dog Night
Sent: 10/17/98 2:29 am
Received: 10/17/98 3:39 am
From: Rich Briere, rfbriXXXX@XXXra.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXXX@XXXties.com
Greetings All,
I'm giving up my six month "lurker" status to ask the following
question: Does anyone know what became of the members of Three Dog
Night's "band"? I'd really like to know about Joe Schermie, the
bass player. I was listening to some pre-Jeremia music recently
and these guys really cooked. Anyone have any knowledge of their
whereabouts?
Bass-ically Yours,
Rich Briere
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