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There are 17 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Mark Wirtz & Jan Panter
From: Mark Frumento
2. Calling Curly Clayton / Space Walk
From: Mark Frumento
3. Re: The Complete Cathy Carroll
From: Stefan Wriedt
4. Re: New Bettye LaVette CD
From: Norm D Plume
5. Re: Freddy Cannon on the Swan label
From: Matt Spero
6. Re: Vinnie Bell
From: James Holvay
7. Re: Shirley Ellis & the Sweet Inspirations
From: Will Stos
8. Re: Vinnie Bell
From: John DeAngelis
9. Re: The Mojo Men
From: Gary Myers
10. Re: meet the Beadles
From: Gary Myers
11. Re: Fowley
From: Robert Pingel
12. Re: Calling Curly Clayton / Space Walk
From: Richard Havers
13. Re: early Stones
From: Phil X Milstein
14. Re: Fowley
From: Karl Ikola
15. Canada goose
From: Guy Lawrence
16. Re: Frankie Avalon's "Don´t Make Fun Of Me"
From: Fred Clemens
17. Re: The Mojo Men
From: James Botticelli
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:51:00 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Mark Wirtz & Jan Panter
Scott Swanson wrote:
> Mark, I had been under the impression that you produced "Scratch
> My Back", but I don't recall where I got that info!
I swore to the same thing. The A-side is not anything like Mark's
production work at the time but the B-side, "Put Yourself in My
Place," has a Mark Wirtz melody right in the arrangement. But then
again the line between arranger and producer must get blurred from
time to time depending on the partnership.
Does anyone know the whereabouts of Jan these days?
Mark F.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:39:11 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Calling Curly Clayton / Space Walk
I'm hoping that Curly Clayton is out there somewhere. The reason
I ask is that perhaps he (or someone else) has a copy of Tornados/
Tornadoes sound-a-like called "Space Walk." It was originally
recorded by a band called The Vikings who later became The Quiet
Five. Apparently - or so the story goes - Curly attempted to
release the track as "The New Tornados" but was stopped by Joe
Meek. Eventually the track came out (on Columbia I think) under
the name of Gemini around 1965/66, obviously as a reference to the
US space program. A few spots on the web indicate that the track
was making the rounds as a Tornados rarity.
Anyway, I hoping someone has the single and can help with a copy
of the label and a CD transfer. If Curly is out there anywhere I'd
love more on the story so that a pending reissue of The Quiet
Five's singles can clarify the story of the record.
Mark F.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:26:50 -0000
From: Stefan Wriedt
Subject: Re: The Complete Cathy Carroll
David A. Young on Cathy Carroll:
> and assume that "He's Famous" and "Cry" are each other's flips
> on another disc. Details on that one, please, and what are the
> two singles still unaccounted for?
Dear David, please find below the CD tracks with label details.
The two tracks you needed details on are from Triodex 104, and
two Triodex versions are missing on this CD - IF they are diff.
to the Cheer release. I haven't found any other 45s listed, so
the FIFTEEN 45 rpm releases as mentioned might be an error.
Steve
1. Poor Little Puppet (Warner Brothers 5284)
2. He's Famous (Triodex 104)
3. Jimmy Love (Triodex 110)
4. Cry (Triodex 104)
5. Deep in a Young Boy's Heart (Cheer 1004 version)
6. Every Leaf That Falls (Cheer 1004 version)
7. I'll Light a Candle (Triodex 113)
8. I'll Be Hurt (Cheer 1005)
9. There Must Be a Way (Cheer 1005)
10. Here's to Our Love (Musicor 1056)
11. Johnny Come Lately (Musicor 1056)
12. Where the Roses Are Growing (Rotate 852)
13. Look in the Heavens - It's a Falling Star (Dot 16908)
14. I Wish You Were a Girl (Dot 16908)
15. (I Know) That's How It'll Be (Philips 40134)
16. I Don't Wanna Give You Up (Philips 40134)
17. My Heart Already Knows (Warner Brothers 5263)
18. The Young Ones (Warner Brothers 5263)
19. Love and Learn (Warner Brothers 5284)
20. But You Lied (Warner Brothers 5322)
21. The Other Woman (Warner Brothers 5322)
22. If You Don't Know What You're Talking About (Warner Brothers 5354)
23. I'm Available (Warner Brothers 5354)
24. Goodnight Johnny (Rotate 852)
missing:
Deep in a Young Boy's Heart (Triodex 110 version)
Every Leaf That Falls (Triodex 113 version)
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:43:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Norm D Plume
Subject: Re: New Bettye LaVette CD
James Cassidy on Bettye LaVette:
> If you appreciate gritty soul singing and aren't familiar with
> her work, do yourself a favor and get ..."I've Got My Own Hell
> to Raise."
I think she does a remake of "He Made A Woman Out Of Me" on this
album. I recall, in this song, the man who made a woman out of
Betty is named Joe Henry. And the producer of this album is also
named....Joe Henry.
Interesting coincidence, or postmodern conceit. Discuss.
Norm D.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:42:36 EDT
From: Matt Spero
Subject: Re: Freddy Cannon on the Swan label
is it true that one of Freddy's albums was in STEREO and are there
any of his hits on it?
Matt Spero
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:43:27 -0700
From: James Holvay
Subject: Re: Vinnie Bell
Dana Countryman wrote:
> Hey, I'm a good friend of Vinnie (Bell)'s and had the pleasure
> to record with him at Bennett Sound in Englewood, NJ...Check
> out his web site at: http://www.vinniebell.com
John DeAngelis
> With all due respect to the great Vinnie Bell, I am skeptical
> of the claim on his website that he played guitar on Donovan's
> "Sunshine Superman" and the Lovin Spoonful's "Do You Believe In
> Magic", "Daydream", "You Didn't Have To Be So Nice" and "Summer
> In The City". Vinnie deserves tons of credit for all the songs
> he did play on, but I'll bet money that that's Zal Yanovsky and
> John Sebastian playing the guitar parts on the the Lovin'
> Spoonful hits.
Hey John & Ed: I have to agree with you on the Spoonful and
Donovan guitar parts. I think we have to separate Vinnie's
performance from, was he the guy playing the signature guitar
licks or "chick", rhythm guitar part. The tracks I find in
question are: "The Candy Man", which I know was cut at MGM
Recording Studios on Fairfax Avenue in LA, during Mike Curbs
run. Could be Vinnie had moved out here at that time. Secondly,
"Hanky Panky" and "Hang On Sloopy" sound extremely self-
contained garage bandish to me. If Vinnie's on those tunes,
they must've buried his part. Also, I noticed he's listed on
most of the Freddy Cannon Philly stuff. I was told that Roy
Buchanan & Kenny Paulson, played on a lot of "Boom Boom's"
tracks. Koop could probably better comment on those NY dates,
where they probably had 3 and 4 guitar players on a session.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:48:37 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Re: Shirley Ellis & the Sweet Inspirations
Mick Patrick wrote:
> The forerunners of the Sweet Inspirations do indeed sing backups
> on the following Shirley Ellis tracks ... all recorded in 1964,
> some three years before the girls had the name Sweet Inspirations
> bestowed upon them by Jerry Wexler. They had no real name at the
> time, and were known in the business as "The Group" ... Would I
> be correct in assuming that the CD you have is "The Complete
> Congress Recordings"?
Yes! It's a great compilation. She has a stunning voice and as good
as her novelties are, some of the more serious songs are really
quite fantastic. Anyone who could hold her own with "The Group"
deserved to be a much bigger star. Speaking of which, do you have
any idea of their line-up at the time. I thought I recognized Cissy
Houston. And now to check out that website you recomended.
Will : )
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 03:22:07 -0000
From: John DeAngelis
Subject: Re: Vinnie Bell
Eddy wrote:
> Donovan's Sunshine Superman is a track claimed by Big Jim
> Sullivan.
Exactly my point. And the track was recorded in England. There
are other songs on Vinnie's site list that I'm perplexed about.
For example, I don't believe he played on Wilson Pickett's "Funky
Broadway" or "My Guy" by Mary Wells, either! Or "This Diamond
Ring" by Gary Lewis & the Playboys, or Barry McGuire's "Eve Of
Destruction" or the Turtles "Happy Together"...
Still scratchin' my head...
John DeAngelis
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:50:35 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: The Mojo Men
Me, earlier:
> Our lead guitarist also did a record with them as the Mojo Men.
> By that time, our band had returned to Milwaukee and changed
> our name to the Mojo Men.
Bob Radil:
> Is this the same act that did "Sit Down, I Think I Love You"
> in 1967?
No. In fact, we had to change our name because of them (although
we may have had it first, and an earlier release of their's
gained airplay in Milwaukee on our reputation).
gem
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:47:42 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: meet the Beadles
Phil Milstein:
> Gary, are you trying to tell us that the Canadian Beadles
> weren't Canadian at all?!
No, I'm not. They *were* Canadian - from Sarnia, Ont., but
they were working in Upper MI when I met them, and then they
relocated to SoCal. But, it was still the label's idea to
give them that name.
gem
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:38:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Pingel
Subject: Re: Fowley
Karl Ikola wrote:
> Mark, I know you've posted here frequently in the past, but I
> wasn't on the list then. I'm a very big Fowley fan, and love the
> "Something New And Different" b/w "Lights" 45 (released in '67
> in the UK on Parlophone, and on Loma in the US).
By chance I was browsing through some of my albums last night and
pulled out Kim Fowley's "Good Clean Fun". Had a vague
recollection of purchasing it back in the late 60's, and hating
practically every second of every so-called song. Thought that
maybe the passage of time might do something to change my mind.
Got my hopes up when I noted that Warren Zevon was responsible for
a couple of the songs.
Through sheer will I re-listened. Nothing changed. It remains
simply abominable; possibly the worst album ever issued by a
major label. It constitutes the nadir of my album collection
which is rife with bottom of the barrel misuses of precious vinyl.
The only thing that could ever prompt me to ever purchase another
Kim Fowley album would be the business end of a sawed-off shotgun.
Karl, as a very big Fowley fan, what did you think of "Good Clean
Fun"? Maybe I'm missing something.
Rob Pingel
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:24:23 +0100
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: Calling Curly Clayton / Space Walk
Mark Frumento wrote:
> I'm hoping that Curly Clayton is out there somewhere. The reason
> I ask is that perhaps he (or someone else) has a copy of Tornados/
> Tornadoes sound-a-like called "Space Walk." It was originally
> recorded by a band called The Vikings who later became The Quiet
> Five. Apparently - or so the story goes - Curly attempted to
> release the track as "The New Tornados" but was stopped by Joe
> Meek. Eventually the track came out (on Columbia I think) under
> the name of Gemini around 1965/66...
Mark,
Curly was out there a couple of years ago, he was 85 years old. His
real name is Harvey Ormerod and he and I had a good little exchange
of emails about the Stones making some demos in his North London
studio in 1962. Harvey also told me some cracking stuff about the
Caravelles which I'll dig out at some point and post. I will forward
your email onto the last address I had for him and see what turns up.
This is a little story featuring Harvey from the early days of TV
advertising in Britain. A new era for British television was ushered
in on September 22 1955 when viewers in London were offered an
alternative to the BBC. Associated Rediffusion and the Associated
Broadcasting Company were commercial stations and carried
advertising. Now we take for granted the fact that almost every
advert has a music track that helps sell the product. Back in the
summer of 1955 British advertising agencies were just coming to terms
with the concept. The first agency to specially record a piece of
music for an ad was J. Walter Thompson on Monday August 1 1955 when
George Browne and his Calypso-Mambo Band recorded a one-minute song
for use on a pilot commercial. Besides George, who played the guitar
and sang, there was Curly Clayton who also played guitar and Pat
Ryan on bongos.
Seven years later, on October 27 – two weeks after the Beatles Love
Me Do entered the charts; the fledgling Rolling Stones recorded
three songs at Curly Clayton’s studio near Arsenal’s football ground.
The songs were made into a demo disc that was sent to EMI and Decca
who, along with everyone else, rejected the band for a recording
contract. In less than a year the Stones had signed for Decca Records
and in early 1964 they recorded a song, in the style of Jimmy Reed,
to be used on an TV advert for Rice Krispies, it too was made by J.
Walter Thompson. In August 1995 Microsoft used the Rolling Stones
Start Me Up to launch Windows ’95. They paid an undisclosed sum to
use this track, but you better believe it was a great deal more than
the £400 that Kellogg’s paid thirty-one years earlier. Curly, who is
now living in Portugal, tells me he was paid £3 for that first
session.
Richard
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:15:24 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: early Stones
Richard Havers wrote:
> Curly was out there a couple of years ago, he was 85 years old. His
> real name is Harvey Ormerod and he and I had a good little exchange
> of emails about the Stones making some demos in his North London
> studio in 1962.
Terrific stuff, Richard -- thanks for the detailed information! Do
you know if either of those early Stones recordings -- the demo they
did with Curly Clayton, and/or the Rice Krispies ad -- are extant in
any form?
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:48:38 -0700
From: Karl Ikola
Subject: Re: Fowley
Robert Pingel wrote:
> Karl, as a very big Fowley fan, what did you think of (Kim
> Fowley's) "Good Clean Fun"? Maybe I'm missing something.
Hi Rob: it's one of his worst albums of the period, but it has
it's sense of humor in broad daylight - always worth a smile if
not necessarily a ray of sunshine on your wallet if you paid
good money for it, though. Some highlights: "Lights (The Blind
And Lame Can See"", some early Warren Zevon songs, Rodney
Bingenheimer appeals as "an innocent boy", and weird backwards
piano track called 'Electricity"; on the first track on side one,
Kim talks about his guitar that is "Candy Apple Wed". The final
cut on the album, "The Great Telephone Robbery", is a classic of
off the cuff prank phone calls on vinyl - live phone calls
pressed on a major label album in 1970 - there is the part
where Kim says he belongs to a fraternity called the "Alpha Beta
Markets" - ha! ha! "Mocha Almond Fudge", "Hey, you're good"...
Kim might say: "So, you agree that I succeeded in hitting the
gutter as tomorrow's new bullseye - making unlistenable trash
for no one to listen to - and just think - I got paid for it!"
KI
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:02:21 +0100
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Canada goose
Phil wrote:
> Gary, are you trying to tell us that the Canadian Beadles weren't
> Canadian at all?! I can understand adding a British identifier to
> one's name under the mid-'60s circumstances, but Canadian? No
> offense to those from the 51st state, of course.
Try telling that to the Canadian Rogues (out of Florida), the Five
Canadians (Texas) and the Canadian Legends (somewhere, USA). Seems
that just being seen as foreign was often enough in those Beatle-
crazy days - which also explains why Feldman, Goldstein and
Gottehrer were Australian for a couple of years!
Guy
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:04:13 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: Frankie Avalon's "Don´t Make Fun Of Me"
Julio Niño wrote:
> The reason was a little beautiful song by Frankie Avalon that
> I've never heard before. It was titled, I think , "Don´t Make
> Fun Of Me" or something similar ... Could anybody please tell
> me something about this tune (who composed it, year of the
> recording, if there are any other versions of it, If is it out
> in CD ,...).
You have the title correct. "Don't Make Fun Of Me" dates from 1964,
flipped with "Again". It was his first release (of 4, into 1965)
on United Artists Records (#728) following his departure from
Chancellor, where he began his vocal career back in 1957.
Prior to that, he'd been hyped as "eleven-year-old Frankie Avalon",
a child prodigy trumpeter discovered by Ray Anthony. Two single
releases and one EP (Very Young Man With A Horn) on the "X" label
were the result of his talent in early 1954. Depending on who you
believe, he was really(?) as old as 14 when he recorded those
trumpet tunes. His first (self titled) Chancellor LP, released in
early 1958, states that he was 18 by then. He just celebrated a
Birthday this past Sunday (Sept. 18), ...which one is up to you to
figure out.
Fred Clemens
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:00:02 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: The Mojo Men
Bob Radil:
> Is this the same act that did "Sit Down, I Think I Love You"
> in 1967?
Gary Myers:
> No. In fact, we had to change our name because of them (although
> we may have had it first, and an earlier release of their's
> gained airplay in Milwaukee on our reputation).
So were the Sit Down Mojo Men the same Mojo Men that recorded
Dance With Me for Autumn Records?
JB
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