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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: "Just That Kind Of Guy" in musica
From: thirteen_eagle
2. Re: Goldmine
From: Al Kooper
3. Re: "San Francisco"
From: Steve Harvey
4. Re: Gene Toone
From: Steve Bonilla
5. Marcie Blane in Goldmine
From: Mick Patrick
6. Re: The Hobbits
From: Jeff Lemlich
7. Re: Marcie Blane in Goldmine
From: Dennis Diken
8. Re: Rev-Ola sound
From: John Berg
9. Re: Rev-Ola Sound
From: superoldies
10. Comments on musica
From: Country Paul
11. In The Cold Light Of Day
From: Austin Roberts
12. Re: Just Four Men
From: Gary Mollica
13. Brian Wilson on Larry King tonight ... for real
From: Phil X Milstein
14. Re: In The Cold Light Of Day
From: S.J. Dibai
15. Re: not the Four Just Men!
From: S.J. Dibai
16. Louiefest 8/28/04
From: Leslie Fradkin
17. Re: Comments on musica
From: Tom K.
18. Elmer Bernstein / Hobbits
From: Bob Rashkow
19. WOW! Brian Wilson on Larry King
From: Rob
20. Re: Re:Rev-Ola Sound
From: Rob
21. Re: Scott McKenzie
From: Rob
22. Re: Rev-Ola Sound
From: Joe Nelson
23. Re: The Sandpipers
From: Phil X Milstein
24. Re: The Hobbits
From: Orion
25. Re: Brian Wilson on Larry King tonight ... for real
From: Clark Besch
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:21:03 -0000
From: thirteen_eagle
Subject: Re: "Just That Kind Of Guy" in musica
David A. Young wrote:
> I'd like to join Julio in expressing my appreciation to Clark for
> sharing the P.F. Sloan gem currently in rotation in the listening
> lounge.
I second that - it ranks right up there with Bruce & Terry's "Here
Comes Summer" and Jackie DeShannon's "Blue Ribbons" demos. Of course
it took Cher to actually release "You Better Sit Down Kids"...
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:54:10 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Goldmine
Ed Salamon on Goldmine magazine:
> I've seen this many times: the attempt to be bigger and younger
> with the resultant loss of the core audience and subsequent
> implosion.
Somehow, Rolling Stone survives...
But we all moved to MOJO.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:21:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: "San Francisco"
Mark Hill wrote:
> Has the "original" version of "San Francisco" with The Mamas & The
> Papas ever been released? Does it still exist? That would be a good
> extra track for the upcoming 4-CD box set.
Sure would! If the vocals by the M and Ps haven't been totally wiped
out I'm sure it will be on the box. Did John have that foresight, ah
there's the rub!
Austin Roberts wrote:
> Also, Like An Old Time Movie!
Yeah, another cool one. I still have the video for it from Musikbeat
or some such German show which I taped off of Nightflight back in the
80s.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:14:12 -0700
From: Steve Bonilla
Subject: Re: Gene Toone
Phil M. asked:
> What is the identity of Gene Toone, who (with "The Blazers")
> recorded "You're My Baby" / "Jose" for Phil Spector's brief-lived
> Annette label in 1964.
Gene is from New York. He gave up the first part of his music career
to raise his children as a single parent. Said to have infuenced many
singers such as Wilson Pickett and Millie Jackson. Went into Gospel
music and made some self-released records. Has a tremendous falsetto.
Gene's son, Earl Toon, was in Kool & the Gang.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:24:24 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Marcie Blane in Goldmine
Over the years I seem to have accumulated a pile of Discoveries
and Goldmine magazines that is taller than I am. That's quite a
few. A shrimp I ain't.
Of course, they're filed in a rather random fashion. Truth be
told, they whiff a bit too. I just went through the whole lot
only to discover that I don't have the one I was searching for.
I urgently need to read the Marcie Blane interview featured in
the December 30, 1988 issue of Goldmine. Can anyone please assist
with a xerox copy, or something?
Who knows, maybe there are other Marcie Blane magazine articles
out there too? Anyone?
All together now . . . "You're not a kid anymore".
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:13:03 -0400
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: The Hobbits
Phil M.:
> Anyone know anything of a group called The Hobbits? They seem to have
> had a pair of 45s ("Daffodil Days" / "Sunny Girl" and "Pretty Young
> Thing" / "Strawberry >Children") for Decca c.1967 or '68, but that is
> all I've been able to turn up on them. Have these records been comped
> at all?
The lead Hobbitt was Jimmy Curtiss, the guy who cut the cult classic 45
"Psychedelic Situation" on Laurie 3383. Curtiss, who goes back to a
doo wop group called The Enjays, also recorded under aliases such as The
Sweet Bippies (on A&M) and Changing Colours. Hobbits appearances on
comps can be found here:
http://www.soybomb.com/garage-comps/classic/index.php?bandid=1844
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:50:34 -0400
From: Dennis Diken
Subject: Re: Marcie Blane in Goldmine
Mick Patrick:
> Over the years I seem to have accumulated a pile of Discoveries
> and Goldmine magazines that is taller than I am. That's quite a
> few. A shrimp I ain't. Of course, they're filed in a rather random
> fashion. Truth be told, they whiff a bit too. I just went through
> the whole lot only to discover that I don't have the one I was
> searching for. I urgently need to read the Marcie Blane interview
> featured in the December 30, 1988 issue of Goldmine. Can anyone
> please assist with a xerox copy, or something? Who knows, maybe
> there are other Marcie Blane magazine articles out there too?
> Anyone? All together now . . . "You're not a kid anymore".
I too would love to read the Marcie Blane piece. Not urgently, but
indeed I would dig it!
Dennis Diken
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:44:00 EDT
From: John Berg
Subject: Re: Rev-Ola sound
I cannot say for sure what original audio sources Rev-Ola uses for its
releases, but I know from my involvement on several projects (Them and
others still underway) that they try to locate actual masters to work
from. But as you may know, master tapes sometimes have "gone missing"
or deteriorated to the point of being unusable. In that case, one would
normally work from a mint condition vinyl copy. The Sunshine Company CD
sounds like an aberration, but does make one wonder what happened in that
case.
John Berg
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:25:56 -0000
From: superoldies
Subject: Re: Rev-Ola Sound
For small labels like this I usually ask about each purchase ahead
of time as it seems to be varying these days. If it's of poor
quality I return it - word eventually gets back to the producer that
this is not what buyers want.
I got "Blades Of Grass" on Rev-Ola & it is off master tapes, so I
guess it varies release to release.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:05:41 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Comments on musica
Still far behind, but I've been listening to musica a bit....
The Roemans' "When The Sun Shines In The Mornin'" is really nice! It
could be up there with "Your Friend" in my book - maybe beyond. Did
they ever get an album out? (Or has that been covered in some of the
posts I haven't yet read?)
The Ravin' Image's "Echoes" has some great vocal work - but by 1969,
they knew how to mike and mix drums better. In fact, the whole record
has a sort of dry sound instrumentally that works against the vocals.
Too bad - that could have made a big difference in its hit status, IMO.
P. F. Sloan, "Just That Kind of Guy," - a really nice song; too bad it
never came out.
Happy weekend! Thanks for the new tunes!
Country Paul
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:04:35 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: In The Cold Light Of Day
Pres:
> All the talk of Gene Pitney reminded me of a Pitney 45 that my mom had
> when I was a wee one: "In The Cold Light Of Day". Odd that she would
> have it, since she was a true top 40 gal and it was not a hit...
The Cold Light Of Day was a pretty big hit for Pitney in much of the
southeast.
Austin Roberts
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:27:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary Mollica
Subject: Re: Just Four Men
The Four Just Men stuff was out legit on The Wimple Winch Story 1963-
1968 on BamCaruso. I have a bootleg with the complete recordings
called Wimple Winch-The Psychedelic Years 1966-1968 (which actually
also includes '64-65 sides)- here's the tracklist:
Marmalade Hair FROM UNRELEASED LP
Typical British Workmanship B-SIDE 3rd (of 3) 45s - '66
UNRELEASED WIMPLE WINCH LP '68
Coloured Glass
Lollipop Mindy
Three Little Teddy Bears
You're A Big Girl Now
Bluebell Wood
Those Who Wait
The Last Hooray
WIMPLE WINCH SINGLES - ALL '66
What's Been Done A-SIDE 1ST 45
Save My Soul A-SIDE 2ND 45
Everybody's Worried About Tomorrow B-SIDE 2ND 45
I Really Love You B-SIDE 1ST 45
Rumble On Mersey Square South A-SIDE 3RD 45
Atmospheres WITHDRAWN B-SIDE 3RD 45
FOUR JUST MEN/JUST FOUR MEN 45 '64
Things Will Never Be The Same
That's My Baby
2nd JUST FOUR MEN 45 '65
There's Not One Thing
Don't Come Any Closer
UNRELEASED JUST FOUR MEN '65
Half Past Five
Tomorrow
Woman Needs A Man
Just Can't Make Up My Mind
Thinking About Your Love
Shelter Of Your Love
FROM UNRELEASED JUST FOUR MEN LP
Sorry Girl
I Still Care
Ad-Ventures
Aggravation
Colours
ALl the best
Gary Mollica
Pasadena CA
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:30:33 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Brian Wilson on Larry King tonight ... for real
Brian Wilson, with his wife Melinda, is scheduled to appear on Larry
King's talk show tonight, this time (hopefully) for real. It's on CNN at
9p eastern, and repeats three hours later. Since ads have begun
appearing here for his U.S. Smile tour, and with yesterday's
announcement of the upcoming Showtime documentary on the
mythical album, I assume all things Smile will be the promotional
focus of the interview.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:14:16 -0000
From: S.J. Dibai
Subject: Re: In The Cold Light Of Day
Austin Roberts:
> The Cold Light Of Day was a pretty big hit for Gene Pitney in
> much of the southeast.
And I'm damn sure I've heard it on "Bob Pantano's Saturday Night
Dance Party" here in Philadelphia!
Also, it was a top 40 hit in the UK. Oddly constructed song if you
ask me, and kind of a tentative vocal performance from Gene. Good
arrangement, though, by Artie Butler if I remember correctly.
Pres, there are other Gene Pitney CDs that have that track as well:
Varese Sarabande's "More Greatest Hits" and Sequel's two-fer "Young
and Warm and Wonderful/Just One Smile" definitely have it, and I
would bet that Sequel's "Looking Through Gene Pitney: The Ultimate
Collection" has it also, but I don't have that one so I can't say for
sure. (How many times did I use the verb "to have" in that paragraph?
And they let me graduate from college!)
S.J. Dibai
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:07:00 -0000
From: S.J. Dibai
Subject: Re: not the Four Just Men!
Frank Young:
> ... before metamorphosing into Wimple Winch, for three viciously
> rare UK-only Fontana 45s.
At least the rockin' "Save My Soul" is available on Rhino's "Nuggets
II" box set, which is not viciously rare.... I think some of their
stuff might have been anthologized on those oddball freakbeat comps,
but I don't know which ones for sure.
S.J. Dibai
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:23:51 -0600
From: Leslie Fradkin
Subject: Louiefest 8/28/04
Dear Group,
For all those who live in the Seattle thru Portland area: As many of
you no doubt know, I portrayed George Harrison in the Original Cast
of the Hit Broadway Show: "Beatlemania." I thought you'd like to know
that I'll be performing as "George Harrison" at Louiefest in Tacoma
at the Tacoma dome on Saturday August 28, 2004. I'm starring in a show
there with other tribute acts.
In addition, on Sunday August 29th, 1000 guitars will be going into the
Guiness Book of World Records for playing under the baton of Paul
Revere. We'll ALL be playing "Louie Louie" in UNISON. Yes, it is a
STRANGE world....
I'll also be selling my NEW George tribute CD "Here Comes The Sun" at
the show which will be released nationally very soon.
The CD song lineup includes:
Here Comes The Sun
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Awaiting On You All
You
Isn't It A Pity?
Bangla Desh
My Sweet Lord
It features a guest appearance by Richie Furay (Poco and Buffalo
Springfield) and Lon Van Eaton (former Apple Recording Artist who
George produced. Lon sang the backgrounds on "Photograph" BTW).
I thought I'd pass it along.
Regards,
Les Fradkin
http://www.lesfradkin.com
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:09:54 -0000
From: Tom K.
Subject: Re: Comments on musica
Country Paul wrote:
> P. F. Sloan, "Just That Kind of Guy," - a really nice song; too
> bad it never came out.
I love it too. I played it to one of my friends recently and he
was almost in tears...
Tom K
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:41:22 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Elmer Bernstein / Hobbits
Elmer Bernstein's Marvelous Movie Music is (hopefully) timeless.
RIP--a great composer from the Golden Age of Hollywood.
Phil M, JFTR The Hobbits did 2 LPs for Decca, Down To Middle Earth and
Men And Doors (both in 1968 I think), and there was talk on the group a
year or so back that they had a 3rd LP that is either extremely rare or
only available on demo tapes. Both LPs are great sunshine pop, the
second somewhat more philosophical in its lyrics than the first but no
less exciting. Jimmy Curtiss penned for and produced lots of great
groups in the late 60s including the supergreat Bag, who also benefited
from the pen of Marcia Hillman.
Bobster
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 02:25:31 -0000
From: Rob
Subject: WOW! Brian Wilson on Larry King
That was a pretty amazing hour, and I'm not even a huge fan, but I
literally had goosebumps by the end. He's just so real and painfully
honest, it's refreshing. Wonder if he's always that way? Makes you
wish you had a tenth of his inspiration and talent. And SMILE is
finally finished and being released. Hope it won't be too tinkered
with in a modern way and will still sound "of the time" it's from.
Rob
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 02:36:42 -0000
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Re:Rev-Ola Sound
I have the Mark Eric cd on Rev-Ola, "A Midsummer's Daydream", and
besides being a thoroughly enjoyable LP with bonus tracks, the
sound is extremely good.
Rob
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 02:59:33 -0000
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Scott McKenzie
Yes, "NO, NO, NO, NO, NO" is on Stained Glass Reflections, a 2001
Scott comp CD from Raven Records. This comp contains his entire
1970 LP, Stained Glass Morning, which is a true GEM! Scott was so
much more than just "San Francisco". One line from "Like An Old Time
Movie" is stuck in my head permanently....I'm gonna let you go every
time I see you...........His "There Stands The Glass" isn't on CD.
Anyone have a copy of that for Musica? Great song.
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:38:39 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Rev-Ola Sound
I know that when I spoke with Steve Stanley about Rev-Ola's Forum CD
he said that it was all from the original tapes, in fact it's all the
tapes they could find (does this mean the mono LP master is extinct?).
He didn't say if they found any discs or acetates of additional material,
but if they did they weren't used.
The first thing I noticed was that the mono tracks were in a strange
reverb-based fake stereo. When I OOPSed the Mira version of "The River
Is Wide" to figure out how they did this, there was distinct vinyl
crackling left over where it was in one stereo channel or another (but
not both) at the time the dub was made. I'm assuming the dub was from
a mono disc rather than the stereo LP (the LP was rechanneled on that
track, but it was common highs-on-one-channel-lows-on-the-other
variation we've all come to hate.) Your guess is as good as mine.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:33:20 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: The Sandpipers
S'pop Projects wrote:
> All Over But The Crying: The Sandpipers Story
> by Jeff Lemlich
> http://www.spectropop.com/Sandpipers/index.htm
What a great story. Superb research, excellent writing, terrific illos,
appealing layout ... and their story carries so much of its own built-in
drama. Those ladies sound like they had a really great attitude, and
their music speaks for itself -- when it can be found, that is.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:35:23 -0500
From: Orion
Subject: Re: The Hobbits
The Hobbits also put out two LPs. I have both of them converted from
LP to CD-R. They are really pretty good listening, but I am sure they
don't fall into Spectropop. That said, send me your snail mail addy
if you would like to hear a couple of their songs.
Orion
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:24:02 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Brian Wilson on Larry King tonight ... for real
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> Brian Wilson, with his wife Melinda, is scheduled to appear on Larry
> King's talk show tonight, this time (hopefully) for real. It's on
> CNN at 9p eastern, and repeats three hours later. Since ads have
> begun appearing here for his U.S. Smile tour, and with yesterday's
> announcement of the upcoming Showtime documentary on the mythical
> album, I assume all things Smile will be the promotional focus of the
> interview.
I watched this show and I liked Brian ok. His wife butted in sometimes
when it was unnecessary, but occasionally added a little. She gave it
to Landy, which is mostly old news that didn't need 15 minutes of talk
during this show. What was really bad was Larry. "you were a......
Beach Boy? Explain what that is?" That's not what he said, but close.
"That must have been a thrill to work with Paul McCartney!" That he
DID say. Maybe it was a thrill for Paul? He seemed to have no clue as
to what the Beach Boys were about at all. Does anyone clue him in on
his guests he doesn't know of? "did you ever meet the Rat Pack?" No
he didn't say this, but I thought he would. "You say you hear voices
'I'm Gonna Kill You'? Does this have something to do with your song
'Dead Man's Curve'?" Naw he didn't say this, but he almost did. Brian
had nothing to do with it, but between Larry and Brian's wife, I am
depressed......Clark
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