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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Goffin/King or Goffin/Keller?
From: Frank Young
2. Re: John Carter - Producer & Songwriter
From: Frank Young
3. Goffin/King's "On This Side Of Goodbye"
From: Steve Harvey
4. Re: Tandyn Almer and "Shadows & Reflections"
From: Rat Pfink
5. Eddie Hodges; Everly Bros.
From: Country Paul
6. Re: Carole King "Just Once In My Life" demo
From: Steve Harvey
7. Carters
From: Joe Nelson
8. "Oh No, Not My Baby"
From: Dave
9. Carole King demos, Everlys
From: Karen
10. "Oh No, Not My Baby" - Carole King demo around?
From: Charles
11. Re: Tandyn Almer and "Shadows & Reflections"
From: John Berg
12. "Oh Me, Oh My"
From: Gary Myers
13. Travis & Bob, "Baby Stay Close To Me," at musica
From: Country Paul
14. Ernie Maresca / John Carter
From: Kingsley Abbott
15. Cynthia Weil Sings!
From: Tina Vozick
16. Angel & the Reruns
From: Bill George
17. Re: New Lime
From: Phil X Milstein
18. Evergreen Blues "Midnight Confessions"
From: Art Longmire
19. Re: Carole King "Just Once In My Life" demo
From: Richard Hattersley
20. Ritchie Valens in stereo
From: Paul Urbahns
21. S'pop home page photo
From: Karen
22. Re: John Carter - Producer & Songwriter
From: Rob Stride
23. Everlys; Mike Clifford; Front Porch; more King demos
From: Country Paul
24. Goffin/Keller's "He's Got My Sympathy"
From: Alan Warner
25. In bed with Dore Alpert, Tony Rossini, Freddie Scott and Doris Day
From: Mick Patrick
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:46:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Young
Subject: Goffin/King or Goffin/Keller?
Don:
> I've never been able to figure out if the Everly's "He's Got My
> Sympathy" was Goffin/King or Goffin/Keller. I think it's the latter.
Don, it's definitely Goffin/Keller. Their collaborations are
significantly different from Goffin/King. It's mostly in the melodies
and phrasing. King's waaaaaaaay more subtle a composer. IMHO,
everything Keller wrote tended to sound overly bouncy, cutesy and
rather like a TV show theme ("I Dream Of Jeannie," anyone?).
The quintessential Goffin/Keller song, IMHO again, is "How Can I Meet
Her," which bravely anticipates the Beatles sound with its aggressive
chord changes (and, in the Everlys version, the harmonica is also
eerily Lennon-prescient).
The melody is "sold" in a very forced, rigid, ram-it-down-yer-throat
way. Carole King's melodies, even something as aggressive as "The
Loco-motion," always invite the listener without coercion. They seem
so relaxed in comparison. They have nothing to prove; they just are,
and are more beguiling minus the hard-sell.
Happy Pride Day to all our gay and lesbian Spectropoppers (myself
among them)!
Frank
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:27:51 -0000
From: Frank Young
Subject: Re: John Carter - Producer & Songwriter
I am a HUGE fan of Carter-Lewis' songwriting efforts from the '60s.
They are an overlooked but essential part of the Spectropop galaxy.
They wrote so many good songs.
An essential CD to get is the out of print Westside release "As You
Like It Vol. 1," a fabulous collection of 26 songwriting demos
featuring the voices of Carter and Ken Lewis harmonizing as only they
can. Some of my most favorite recordings are on this CD, including
their original demo of "Is It True?" which Mickie Most dinked with
for the Brenda Lee version... the moves-me-to-tears-everytime "Thank
You For Loving Me," "Everybody Tries," "Waiting Here For Someone..."
These are actually better performances than most of their Ivy League
material. I've found this with a lot of demo material...the
songwriters are singing their hearts out. They have something to
prove, a need to win, to be heard and rewarded for their efforts.
Speaking of the Ivy League, there is a great, deleted 2-CD set of
their complete recordings, including a lot of unissued stuff, on
Sequel Records, called "Major League." Another good C-L disc is "The
Carter-Lewis Story," also on Sequel, also OOP, but containing all of
their early studio recordings and some later gems.
Their works really deserve better treatment. I dare say they would
easily rate a box set all their own.
Carter-Lewisifically yours, Frank
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:48:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Goffin/King's "On This Side Of Goodbye"
Don wrote:
> I thought I read somewhere that the Everlys recorded (Goffin/
> King's) "On This Side Of Goodbye".
That was the Righteous Brothers. Eric Burdon did a better version,
however. Great tune!
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:50:15 -0400
From: Rat Pfink
Subject: Re: Tandyn Almer and "Shadows & Reflections"
Simen wrote:
> The Action of England released the single "Shadows & Reflections"
> in '67. This is written by Larry Marks and Tandyn Almer. This was
> also recorded by another artist but who??? I've heard this once,
> and it's great, but for some silly I reason forgot to write it
> down. Can anyone help?
Eddie Hodges.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:33:17 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Eddie Hodges; Everly Bros.
Martin Roberts
> A two part Eddie Hodges ROTW kicks off (naturally) with Part 2,
> "The Old Rag Man": http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
Very Four-Seasonsish from this team. Interesting; thank you, Martin.
Again, does anyone know of the S&G/Everly Brothers tour is coming to or
near NYC? And when? And also if the Everlys (Everlies?) are coming to
the northeast?
Paul Tumey on the Everlys:
> ...there are some stunning B-sides, flop singles and album-only
> tracks that reveal their development as songwriters and
> performers....Their first two WB LPs, "It's Everly Time" and
> "A Date With..." are perfect records in the early Everlys style.
Agreed - "Sleepless Nights" (to my ears the authoritative version -
sorry, fellow Gram Parsons fans) and "Empty Boxes" are two essentials by
them. I second your enthusiasm for the first two WB LPs. And I'm grateful
for "I Can't Say Goodbye To You" on musica.
Country Paul
(back to being chronically behind)
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:37:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Carole King "Just Once In My Life" demo
Mike Carter wrote:
> Mick P. has posted "Just Once In My Life" with
> Carole doing her best imitation of Gerry Goffin.
> I love Carole King's music, I really do, but this
> song is a place for me where Carole King shows her
> stuff as a contract songwriter.
This tune is probably my favorite Spector production.
I'm surprised how little the Righteous Brothers gets
played compared to "Ebb Tide", "Lovin' Feelin'" and
"Soul & Inspiration".
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:20:48 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Carters
Rob Stride:
> I would like to start a new thread regarding one of my Heroes. Mr
> John Carter...Vocalist, Writer And Producer. A man Responsible for
> Responsible for The IVY LEGUE, The FLOWERPOTMEN, FIRT CLASS and
> many other absolutley brilliant bands. In my mind John is England's
> Brian Wilson! WHY... Because he looked for a different appraoch,
> When the Country went "Mersey Mad" or because when i hear one of
> John's vocal arrangements, I say "that's a Carter There Mate"
> Underratted, UnderValued, and Under-This next-Line. John Carter is
> one of ENGLAND'S most brilliant assets, but we don't know it yet!
Just a chance to clear this up - it was a different John Carter who
co-wrote "Inscense and Peppermints", was it not?
Joe Nelson
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:03:57 -0400
From: Dave
Subject: "Oh No, Not My Baby"
The much discussed musical trinity:
> A Brand New Me by Dusty Springfield
> Oh Me, Oh My by Lulu
> California Nights by Lesley Gore
Funny that so many of us have responded to these three songs. I'd just
make one revision. I've always connected "A Brand New Me" and "Oh Me,
Oh My" and in fact have a Dave-made compilation where these two songs
are next to each other. But I'd swap the wonderful "California Nights"
for another song, Maxine Brown's "Oh No, Not My Baby." Along with
Dusty's and Lulu's songs, Brown's was a hit but not nearly as big as it
should have been. All three songs could be considered soul songs but
have a tinge of girl group sound.
I think you could make an pretty cool anthology of songs with "Oh" in
the title. (PLEASE, no lists!)
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:35:23 -0000
From: Karen
Subject: Carole King demos, Everlys
I have the Brilltone CD of Carole King's early songs, and the demos
posted here are much superior, especially Just Once In My Lfe. Keep
them coming. Also, the Everly versions of G-K songs. More, please!
Karen
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:37:53 -0000
From: Charles
Subject: "Oh No, Not My Baby" - Carole King demo around?
With the recent postings of Carole King demos from her Aldon/Screen
Gems days, how about one for "Oh No, Not My Baby"? Like Dave, I've
always loved the Maxine Brown hit version (supposedly that's Carole
on the piano, and that intro with piano & guitar is one of the best
ever!), and I wonder how Carole first recorded the demo vocals.
So, is anyone out there able to send a copy of the demo (if it
exists) to musica? Pretty please........
Charles
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:53:38 EDT
From: John Berg
Subject: Re: Tandyn Almer and "Shadows & Reflections"
Shadows & Reflections was also released on 45 in the US by The Lownly
Crowde, and I have a demo (unissued to my knowledge) by a UK group
whose version is similar to that by The Action but has phasing on the
chorus -- very cool!
J Berg
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:42:50 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: "Oh Me, Oh My"
Dave mentioned:
> The much discussed musical trinity:
> A Brand New Me by Dusty Springfield
> Oh Me, Oh My by Lulu
> California Nights by Lesley Gore
I love the Lulu record, and I think the song was actually first cut
by the great Walter Jackson, titled "Fool For You", or something like
that.
gem
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:34:17 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Travis & Bob, "Baby Stay Close To Me," at musica
The discussion of the Everly Brothers brings to mind another great
country-pop harmony duo of the era, Travis & Bob. Their big hit, from
1958-59, was "Tell Him No," on Sandy Records (dist. by Dot), which I
believe hit the Top 20 nationally; in my opnion, it's a remarkable
slice of rockabilly, as is the follow-up, "Lover's Rendezvous" (Sandy,
1959). "Tell Him No" was later covered by Dean & Marc, subsequently of
The Newbeats.
Travis & Bob had a total of 7 singles, most rockabilly; but this last
one, on Mercury from 1960, is a real cool pop gem, obviously showing
an Everly influence. It seems a shame that a duo with as big a hit as
they had should virtually disappear from public memory; there's
virtually no information on the net about these guys, but I briefly
spoke to Travis a few months ago, and learned he's now 64 years old
and driving a school bus in Alabama. I could try for more info if
anyone knows a website that would be interested in an interview; no
guarantees, though. Meanwhile, enjoy!
Country Paul
(earning my handle)
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:09:40 +0100
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: Ernie Maresca / John Carter
I too had the good fortune to interview Ernie Maresca about 3 years
ago. He was very good to chat to, had a record collectors memory
and interest, and I think we could have gone on all night! The
results, somewhat truncated for space reasons, are in Record
Collector No 258 with an interview I did with Dion about the same
time. A good issue this one for S'Poppers as it also contained ten
pages about Helen Shapiro and other Brit femme singers of the time.
I'd also like to join the appreciation of John Carter, whose many,
many records I have loved since the sixties. Incredibly talented
already, but recently still taking guitar lessons! He is without
doubt one of the very nicest men you could hope to meet in the
business. He recently took the time to come to talk to my group of
students at UEA for two hours. Everyone reading this should own
several of his CDs!!
Kingsley Abbott
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:21:11 -0400
From: Tina Vozick
Subject: Cynthia Weil Sings!
Phil Milstein wrote:
> Mike's post somehow leads me to realize that I am familiar with
> the recording careers of four members of Aldon's three great
> husband-wife teams, and thus to wonder if Gerry Goffin and/or
> Cynthia Weil ever vented their voices in recording studios, even
> if only on demos.
Mick Patrick:
> Gerry Goffin made a lot of records, about which I could never get
> too interested. Cynthia Weil released just the one (thank goodness).
> Details are:
> Miss Prim and the Classroom Kids "The Toddle" (Amy 872, 1962).
> Written by Barry Mann, Cynthia Weil and Mike Anthony.
> Arranged by Stanley Applebaum.
> Produced by Barry Mann for Nevins-Kirshner.
> As a special treat, or punishment, depending on your inclination,
> I've posted the offending platter to musica. You, of all people,
> might dig it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Ah, but Cynthia does sing back-up in their 2-person off-Broadway show
"They Wrote That?" on a few numbers, but come to think of it, you
couldn't really hear her too well with other three back-up singers.
(The back-up trio was fabulous, by the way.)
Tina Vozick
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:20:18 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Angel & the Reruns
Can anybody help me locate an obscure early-80s girl group song
called "Buffy Come Back" by Angel and the Reruns? I've been
looking for it for twenty years and no luck. Thanks!
Bill
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:14:55 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: New Lime
Andy wrote:
> Don't know much about New Lime but I do have 2 (Columbia) listings
> for them:
> (1) She Kissed Me (With Her Eyes) b/w That Girl [67] (4-44017)
> (2) Donna (R. Valens) b/w The Gumdrop Trilogy [68] (4-44597)
Yowza. Anybody able to play "The Gumdrop Trilogy" to our beloved musica?
--Phil M.
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:20:38 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Evergreen Blues "Midnight Confessions"
Andy wrote:
> I was just given a "test" copy of Midnight Confessions by the
> Evergreen Blues Band .... the Grass Roots covered it and had their
> biggest hit with it, talk about a note-4-note copy !!!!!!
I also have a (stock) copy of "Midnight Confessions" by the Evergreen
Blues (the record, on Mercury, doesn't have "Band" in the group
name). You are right, the two versions are very similar, with the
Evergreen's sounding a bit more raw and unpolished.
Art Longmire
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:35:28 +0000
From: Richard Hattersley
Subject: Re: Carole King "Just Once In My Life" demo
Thanks Mick for posting the Carole King Demo of this song, it's great.
My favourite Righteous Bros track, great to hear it in its infancy.
What do folks reckon to the Beach Boys version by the way? I myself
am not keen.
Richard
www.wiz.to/richardsnow
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:29:11 EDT
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Ritchie Valens in stereo
Several years ago, Music Club issued a CD of the Very Best Of Ritchie
Valens that has most of his hits and many sound like they were
recorded in stereo. Of course whe know that is not true but quite a
bit of tape editing went into his project and the overall result is
an excellent sounding CD based on the material they had to work with.
The copy I purchased was used (off the Internet) since it is out of
print, did not have a booklet. Does anyone know the history of this
release? The LaBamba sounds like the sync version issued by ERIC a
few years ago on a single. You can see a fan review on the Cd at this
site: http://www.pmoorcroft.freeserve.co.uk/ritchie2.htm
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:26:54 -0000
From: Karen
Subject: S'pop home page photo
I'm new....who is in the S'pop home page photo? I recognise Ronnie
Spector, and Stevie Wonder. Who else is there? Where was this
amazing shot taken?
Karen
Admin Note:
View the picure here: http://www.spectropop.com/go2/members.html
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 03:04:21 +0100
From: Rob Stride
Subject: Re: John Carter - Producer & Songwriter
Frank Young:
> I am a HUGE fan of Carter-Lewis' songwriting efforts from the '60s.
> They are an overlooked but essential part of the Spectropop galaxy.
> They wrote so many good songs. An essential CD to get is the out of
> print Westside release "As You Like It Vol. 1," a fabulous
> collection of 26 songwriting demos featuring the voices of Carter
> and Ken Lewis harmonizing as only they can. Some of my most favorite
> recordings are on this CD, including their original demo of "Is It
> True?" which Mickie Most dinked with for the Brenda Lee version...
> the moves-me-to-tears-everytime "Thank You For Loving Me," "Everybody
> Tries," "Waiting Here For Someone..." These are actually better
> performances than most of their Ivy League material. I've found this
> with a lot of demo material...the songwriters are singing their
> hearts out. They have something to prove, a need to win, to be heard
> and rewarded for their efforts.....
Thanks for all the info. I have a lot of the early stuff but i haven't
really given it a chance yet. You are right about demos though. I find
that with our own demos what makes them so much better than the
"Master" is you are creating, this is the moment, when it happens for
the first time and evrey litte piece of it, wether accidental, planned
or spontaniously (is that how you spell it?) created. It is when IT
happens. So thats what i think you may be getting from these demos.
Regards
Rob
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:33:21 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Everlys; Mike Clifford; Front Porch; more King demos
Alan Warner cites "How Can I Meet Her" by The Everly Brothers (Warner
Bros: 1962). Wasn't this Goffin-Keller track also a hit single? Great
record! ("I hate that little so-and-so, but there's one thing I gotta
know: Where's she live, what's her number, and how can I meet her?")
Yes!
Mick Patrick, riffing re: Mike Clifford:
> Cathy? She's just another girl! Me? One boy too late. What to
> do with Laurie? That's what they said. Gee I don't remember. It
> had better be tonight. Don't make her cry.
One of my faves by him is "One By One The Roses Died," which was an
Italian hit too, Ithink. Anyone know orknow of the original? Is it as
good as Clifford's? And is his stuff reissued on CD at all? (Talk about
an all-but-forgotten hitmaker....)
Dave O'Gara, thank you for your kind comments on The Front Porch
(posted June 26th). Credit must go mostly to the two members of the
group, the incredibly prolific and literate Marc Scott and Charlie
Purpura, who were true unprompted fountains of information. I just
smoothed out some transitions, bugged them for some pictures, and sat
there fascinated by who they know/knew, what they did and when, and
the righteous and creative kind of people they are. Happily, I
collected all three of their 45s when new and remembered to put dates
on the sleeves knowing that someday I'd find them in my files and
sound brilliant by recalling them! Seriously, special extra credit
goes to the Admin Team at S'pop for the beautiful layout job, and
properly crediting and setting up the photographs. The piece is a
community effort, but every interviewer dreams of a Marc Scott who
answers the right questions before they even get properly asked!
I hope to post at least one of their demos soon, as well as the final
single, "Wonderful Summer." If anyone missed anything, contact me off-
list to be properly filled in.
I can relate to your opinion of and envy your interview with Ernie
Maresca. He is truly an unsung hero of the 1960s New York music scene.
The Laurie Records write-up is great; thanks, Mick and Martin.
Jim Shannon mentions "The Crying Game" in his list of movie faves;
unlike the others on the list, though,the movie came long after the hit
version of the song. Also, there was a beautiful 1990 version out of
the UK by Dave Stewart and Barbara Gaskin on Ryko in the US and Broken
Records (I think) in the UK.
I'm loving all these Carole King demos, by the way, especially since my
favorite performances of hers are the Dimension hits ("Bad Boy" and
"...September).
Bob Celli:
> I've posted Carole King's demo for "Don't Ever Take Her For Granted"
> to musica.
Mick Patrick:
> Playing now @ musica is the original unreleased demo version of
> [Ernie Maresca's] "Hold Back The Light Of Dawn" by Bernadette Carroll.
Please leave these up for a while - Yahoogroups is being stingy with the
listening - stopped me on the first try of the evening! (And of course,
I *must* hear "Miss Prim"!)
Country Paul
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:59:09 -0700
From: Alan Warner
Subject: Goffin/Keller's "He's Got My Sympathy"
Don says:
> I've never been able to figure out if the Everly's "He's Got My
> Sympathy" was Goffin/King or Goffin/Keller.
I believe that this is definitely a Goffin/Keller composition;
it was also recorded by Gene McDaniels on his "Tower Of Strength"
album on Liberty in '62.
Re: Boomerang, I think you're talking about two different songs.
Carole King wrote a song called BOOMERANG but so did Jack Keller
in collaboration with another writer from the early Nevins-Kirshner
days, Larry Kolber, who co-authored I LOVE HOW YOU LOVE ME with
Barry Mann.
Rock on!
Alan Warner
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:47:34 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: In bed with Dore Alpert, Tony Rossini, Freddie Scott and Doris Day
Country Paul:
> I've just played "Dina" by Dore Alpert (A&M 714, 1963) to
> musica. If pressed to name one, I'd call this my favorite 45.
> I personally feel this haunting performance shows the most
> genuine depth of emotion Herb Alpert ever recorded of all his
> songs that I've heard; plus the composition and arrangement
> are to my ear brilliant and truly progressive popular music.
> I don't know if this exists in stereo, so here it is in
> magnificent mono. I hope I haven't oversold it to you, and
> hope that you like it at least half as much as I do.
Blimey, O'Riley! It makes Shelley Fabares sound like Lydia Lunch!
Consider me haunted and entranced.
Peter Lerner:
> Julio asked about Tony Rossini. Up until recently Tony had
> his own website under the name of Rossini Entertainment. It
> seems to have disappeared now, but it told of his later
> career, which included a spell with Toni and Terri & The
> Pirates in the mid-60s, recording, for the Monument label,
> such gems as a cover of the Beatles' "For No One" (Monument
> 979). The interesting part for me was that Terri was an early
> incarnation of the songwriter Donna Weiss, who wrote songs in
> the '70s with Jackie DeShannon, including "Bette Davis Eyes".
Read more about Toni & Terri in Ron Hall's "Playing For A Piece
Of The Door: A History Of Garage & Frat Bands In Memphis, 1960-
1975" (Shangri-La Projects, 2001). You might find more info at
the publisher's website: http://www.shangri.com This excellent
book is where I learned all about the Goodees, of "Condition Red"
fame.
Paul Underwood:
> I learn that Freddie Scott did the original demo of "Love
> Her." Now that song was two years old by the time the Walker
> Brothers did it and the idea of Freddie Scott doing a demo for
> the Everly Brothers (who recorded it in 1963) is a bit strange.
Not at all. Freddie Scott was in-house demo singer at Aldon/
Screen Gems, who published the compositions of Mann & Weil,
Goffin & King, etc. The Everlys waxed numerous of their songs,
as did he.
Talking of "Love Her", I'd like to speak up for the female
version, "Love Him" by Doris Day - it's absolutely deeeee-lish!
Doris' album of that title is one of her best. Better yet, buy
the CD two-fer and discover a hitherto unreleased precursor of
the Shangri-Las' "Past, Present And Future". You think I jest,
I can tell.
Country Paul:
> I can hear Freddie Scott doing it in my head; could his
> version please be played to musica?
Paul Underwood:
> It would be nice if we could hear this demo on Musica.
I agree. Does anyone have it?
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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