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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: JDS x 2
From: Phil X Milstein
2. Re: Which "I've Been Hurt" came first?
From: Ray
3. Re: Bazooka - Look at You Now
From: Peter McCray
4. I Can't Let Go of Evie Sands
From: Pres
5. When You Walk In The Room
From: Pres
6. Re: The Tams
From: Jeffrey Mlinscek
7. Aquatones
From: Austin Roberts
8. Re: Carmen McRae Sings Brian Wilson
From: Eddy
9. Re: That Alan and Babs
From: (That) Alan Gordon
10. Re: Ginny Arnell
From: BB
11. Needles and pins / Andrew Loog Oldham
From: Peter Lerner
12. Re: One if by lava lamp, two if by reverb.
From: Phil X Milstein
13. Re: Badfinger's "The name of the game"
From: Gary Myers
14. You Only Love Once
From: Phil X Milstein
15. Re: Kirsty MaColl Sings Brian Wilson
From: Angela Greene
16. Re: Kirsty MaColl sings Brian Wilson
From: Jens Koch
17. Soul 24-7 - The Metropolitan Soul Show
From: Simon White
18. Re: Beach Boys´ songs versions.
From: Julio Niño
19. Re: whence "Raiders"?
From: Clark Besch
20. Re: early '60s teen 45s - writers & producers
From: Gary Myers
21. Re: Kirsty MaColl sings Brian Wilson
From: Steve Harvey
22. Re: Kirsty MacColl sings Brian Wilson
From: JK
23. Re: Badfinger, Stan Polley, and Badmurray
From: Al Kooper
24. Soul 24-7 -- what happened?!
From: Doug
25. Miss Judy Geeson, Tony Camillo
From: Bob Rashkow
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:20:13 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: JDS x 2
Ken Silverwood wrote:
> My copy of Jackie DeShannon's "When You Walk In The Room" (Liberty
> 55645) is noted as the "b" side on the label, with "Till You Say You'll
> Be Mine" as the "a". Was that correct?
No matter how Liberty may have presented it, that's a double A-side in
my book!
--Phil M.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:13:33 +0100
From: Ray
Subject: Re: Which "I've Been Hurt" came first?
Ken:
> ... "I've Been Hurt" came first? ... As far as I can tell The Tams' v
> ersion came out in 1964 with no release in the UK.
The Tams had a separate and successful tour of the British charts.
"Be Young, Be Foolish, Be Happy" made it to the UK Top 40 (#32) in 1970.
The next year they had the #1 song in the UK, with a reissue of Ray
Whitley's "Hey Girl Don't Bother Me." The song hit #1 on September 18,
1971 taking over from Diana Ross' hit "I'm Still Waiting," and remained
there for three weeks until Rod Stewart's mega-hit "Maggie May" bumped
it from the top.
The Tams' next major UK chart success was a Top 5 smash in 1987 called
"There Ain't Nothing Like Shaggin." This song, featured the vocals of
Joe Pope, and was released (as were all of the songs in England) by ABC/
Dunhill Records.
The final Tams hit in the UK was "My Baby Sure Can Shag."
Unfortunately for The Tams, all of the songs released in England were
under their original contract with Bill Lowrey; this meant that The Tams
never received one penny of royalties for the millions of records they
sold in the UK (and Europe).
ray
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 20:42:34 +1000
From: Peter McCray
Subject: Re: Bazooka - Look at You Now
Clark:
> the Bazooka Company had a 45 on Fontana that reappeared in 1970 on
> Paramount as an >American Breed single. Indeed, both are the same
> recording and are by the actual American Breed
Austin:
> Boo On You was a song I wrote while working with Johnny Cymbal and
> George Tobin in New York in 1968. I wrote it one day,we went into
> Allegro Studio that night and cut it, and then sold it to Bang Records
> the next day.
Clark, Austin - thanks for the great information. Just shows what a great
business the music business can be, and sometimes just how much timing and
fortune (or misfortune!) play a role in determing what's a hit and what's
not!
Thanks again guys.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 09:08:42 -0400
From: Pres
Subject: I Can't Let Go of Evie Sands
While I'm blathering on about what versions of the song came first,
I'll post another question.
I've never come across a 45 of Evie Sands' "I Can't Let Go" so, I
don't know how it sounds. I do know that there seems to be two
versions of this track.
The Rhino Best of The Girl Groups contains a version with a much
smoother vocal performance. All other compilations that I have
with this song - Charley's "The Red Bird Story", Castle's "Girl
Group Gems", and Collectables' "The Jelly Beans and Friends" have
a rougher vocal.
Anyone know the story on what's the chicken and what's the egg?
pres
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 09:00:04 -0400
From: Pres
Subject: When You Walk In The Room
Ken Silverwood:
> My copy of Jackie DeShannon's "When You Walk In The Room" (Liberty
> 55645) is noted as the "b" side on the label, with "Till You Say
> You'll Be Mine" as the "a". Was that correct?
The discography included on "What the World Needs Now is Jackie
DeShannon: The Definitive Collection" shows this to be correct.
However, the side to chart for one whole week at #99 is WYWITR. It
was re-issued in Sept. '64 as the A-side with "Over You" as the b-side.
My question about this track is where did the faster version come in to
play? When I was a wee one I claimed my mother's album "More Golden
Greats" - a Liberty Records compilation - as my own because I had fallen
in love with Jackie and WYWITR. (Cher's "All I Really Wanna Do" as well).
Through the years the LP disappeared and it wasn't until recently that I
scored an unopened copy in Fantasyland Records. I was horrified to hear
that the song was faster. Same recording, just faster.
And two weeks ago I bought the Collectables CD issue of the old Capitol(?)
compilation ($2.99 new so I couldn't pass it up)and, again, the faster
version!
Does any one know if the '64 reissue of this single was pitched faster or
is this just a weird glitch that somehow has been forwarded for the past
40 years?
pres
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 10:11:41 -0400
From: Jeffrey Mlinscek
Subject: Re: The Tams
Julio Niño wrote:
> Could somebody please confirm in which year The Tams' version was
> released. I have my records packed because I'm moving and so I can't
> consult them, but it rings a bell to me that I read in the booklet
> of a compilation of The Tams that their version was from 1964. Am I
> wrong?
I show it as released on ABC 10741 on or about November 1965.
Jeff M
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 12:29:29 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Aquatones
There was a hit record out somewhere around 1960 I think called
YOU by the Aquatones. I loved the record but don't know anything
about the group. Could somebody hep me?
Austin R.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 17:27:38 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Carmen McRae Sings Brian Wilson
Phil Milstein is:
> Interested to see some thoughts on favorite cover versions
> of Beach Boys songs -- only those wr. or co-wr. by Brian
> Wilson, though. Female vocals preferred!
Mick Patrick:
> I'll start the ball rolling with Carmen McRae's version of "I
> Just Wasn't Made For These Times". It's from her 1967 LP "For
> Once In My Life" (Atlantic SD 8143). This fine album was cut
> in London with arranger-conductor Johnny Keating. I have an
> idea which S'poppers will like this and who amongst you will
> not. It's playing now over @ musica. Y'all know how to get
> there: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Al Kooper:
> She also covered my song "I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know"
> which I have on a 45. I read they are releasing the album that's
> on (Atlantic) on Collectables (Regrettables?) and I suspect it's
> on the same album as Brian's tune. Can anyone confirm this?
'The art of Carmen McRae' / 'For once in my life' is a 2cd set on
Collectables that indeed has 'I love you more than you'll ever know'
as well as 'I just wasn't made for these times'.
Eddy
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:02:23 -0700
From: (That) Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: That Alan and Babs
Martin Roberts:
> Re-reading Barbara Streisand's sleeve note for her "Superman" LP
> (as you do) and guess which S'popper she described as "...slightly
> crazy, very funny, enormously talented and a genuinely lovely
> person."? No, not me nor Mick Patrick, but Alan Gordon. Now ain't
> that sweet.
Thank You Martin, the check is in the mail! I think I still have the
tee shirt I had made that says "I WAS BARBRA MITZVAH`D". One of the
songs she recorded on that lp. was "My Heart Belongs To Me" [the
publishing belongs to them].
Best, That Alan
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 18:34:39 -0000
From: BB
Subject: Re: Ginny Arnell
Mike McKay wrote:
> Ginny Arnell was from New Haven, CT..."Dumb Head" was her first
> solo recording as far as I know. It made #8 on WAVZ in New Haven
> in October, 1963. She did record with Gene Pitney; at least one
> single, can't recall the title off-hand.
Dumb Head is the earliest song that I've heard that has a fuzztone
guitar sound on it. Anyone know of earlier songs? There's a goofy
1964 cover version of Dumb Head by The Sharades. Goofy because it was
produced by Joe Meek as only he could.
Being a proud Chamberlin owner, I've been looking for the earliest
songs using mellotrons. It really sounds like there's one on the
Brian Wilson produced "Sacramento" by Gary Usher from 1964! Does
anyone know for sure about that one? Thanks.
BB
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 20:22:18 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Needles and pins / Andrew Loog Oldham
Did anyone else see this excerpt from an interview with Andrew Loog
Oldham in "The Guardian Friday Review", 21st May, 2004?
"Oldham had two other role models: Pete Meaden, the Who's first manager
and one of the original mods, and the teenage svsngali and producer
Phil Spector. "I head Every Breath I take by Gene Pitney, and Spector's
ability to make the cellos on it sound like voices blew me away. Jackie
De Shannon's Needles and Pins is the most perfectly understated record:
the piano suggests the presence of horns, so you don't actually need
horns to be there". Did the Rolling Stones ever match the highs of
Spector? "I think with Let's Spend the Night Together, because there is
nothing forced, it just sits there, which is not the case with a lot of
Stones records. It has a groove and an ease, and it is unusual for
English folks to hit that layer of comfort.""
Interesting. Does Oldham think that Spector produced Needles and Pins?
Hmmm.
Peter
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 16:00:42 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: One if by lava lamp, two if by reverb.
Steve Harvey wrote:
> Solve this one, who was the guy that followed
> Alexander Graham Bell into the patent office an hour
> after Bell was there? He had a phone he'd invented,
> but faded into obscurity due to timing.
I believe that was Cliff Arquette as Charlie Weaver.
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:39:05 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Badfinger's "The name of the game"
Denis Gagnon:
> I'm presently reading "Without you the tragic story of Badfinger".
Any mention of Reed Kailing? He did a later tour with them. Kailing
was previously with the Grass Roots. He began in Milwaukee, hence is
included in my Wisconsin book.
gem
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:55:18 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: You Only Love Once
Country Paul wrote:
> Michael Stroggoff directs us to the "latest news" box at the Harkit
> Records website, http://www.harkitrecords.com , for the Toni Fisher
> upcoming cd.
In following up on Country Paul's tip, I discovered on Harkit's site a
listing for their reissue of Jacques Loussier's delicious score for "You
Only Love Once." Far-fetched as it may seem, as I read this item I was
taking a break between digitizing sides one and two of my vinyl copy of
that album! I have since decided to set aside the remainder of my labors
in favor of purchasing the official CD (and will now look into Paul's
companion suggestion for U.S. availability via
http://www.cadencebuilding.com ).
Upon first discovering this soundtrack (released in the U.S. on London)
about 10 years ago I searched high and low for a copy of the film, but
not only could I not find one, I couldn't even locate a trace of its
existence! I could only conclude then that the LP made it into release
while the film itself never did, although I look forward to finding out
the full story in the reissue's liner notes. At any rate, I can't
imagine too many Spectropoppers who would be less than enthralled with
this great album, with deftly combines Morriconean tensions with a
Manciniesque melodicism, and recommend it heartily to you all.
--Phil M.
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 18:51:41 -0700
From: Angela Greene
Subject: Re: Kirsty MaColl Sings Brian Wilson
Steve Harvey:
> The late, great Kirsty MacColl did a version too, on some
> obscure single...
Eddy:
> Can't seem to find any trace of this one, Steve. Happen to have
> any further details?
Hello all,
Finally, something I can chime in on. I'm a big time lurker, but also
a huge Kirsty MacColl fan. She did "You Still Believe in Me" as a 7"
in 1981. it never got released on CD, and it was so obscure that she
herself only ever had one copy.
Everyone who I've ever played it for has agreed that it's as good as,
or almost as good as the original. I'll be more than happy to upload
it somewhere if anyone's interested.
Back to lurk mode.
-Angela Greene
Her name froze on the winter air/an empty bench in Soho Square...
RIP Kirsty MacColl
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:27:04 +0200
From: Jens Koch
Subject: Re: Kirsty MaColl sings Brian Wilson
Angela Greene offered:
> I'll be more than happy to upload
> it somewhere if anyone's interested.
Please do.
Thanks in advance,
co-lurker Jens
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:58:03 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Soul 24-7 - The Metropolitan Soul Show
The station has closed down.
The end was nigh --we knew a while back it was likely to happen but they were
looking at a rescue package which it seems didn't come off.
The date of 21st May had been set as the one by which a decision had to be
made -- and it seems it was indeed made! There's talk of a resurrection but I'm
not holding my breath.
I enjoyed every second of what I did. Luckily I have all my shows (bar about three)
recorded, so I can sit and listen to myself and marvel at how someone can be so
sober and so incoherent at the same time.
If anyone wants a Soul 24-7 T-shirt I have a few left. These are now rare collectors
items, and in a years time will be wearable as an ironic fashion item.
Hey ho.
Simon
Use it before you lose it!
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 07:42:39 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Re: Beach Boys´ songs versions.
Hola Everybody:
Phil Milstein:
> Interested to see some thoughts on favorite cover versions
> of Beach Boys songs -- only those wr. or co-wr. by Brian
> Wilson, though. Female vocals preferred!
I like very much Claudine Longet´s version of "God Only Knows". I find it
sexy and moving at the same time, which is an interesting mixture of
feelings.
Chao,
Julio Niño.
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 05:03:14 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: whence "Raiders"?
Phil M. asked:
> Why did Paul Revere name his band The Raiders?
How bout Paul Revere & the New Colony 6? Since they both wore similar
uniforms ...
Clark
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:42:21 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: early '60s teen 45s - writers & producers
Ash wrote:
> I also am trying to find out more info about many of the songwriters
> and producers of the period..
> Ritchie Adams
Co-wrote "Tossin' & Turnin'" and "After The Lovin'".
> Springer - Kaye
Do you have the first names?
Gary Myers / MusicGem
http://home.earthlink.net/~gem777/
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 16:27:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Kirsty MaColl sings Brian Wilson
Eddy Smit wrote:
> Can't seem to find any trace of this one, Steve. Happen to have
> any further details?
OK, I lied. My mind ain't what it use to bee. Just climbed out of the bowels
of my vinyl empire in the garage and found my Kirsty stuff. Got the chance to
meet her once and got her to do a station ID for my radio show. Nice lady and
gone too soon.
Kirsty did "You Still Believe In Me" on Polydor (POSP 368) with "Queen Of The
High Teas" on the flip. She's someone who could use a good compilation with
all of her singles from here and there gathered into one place.
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 20:08:09 EDT
From: JK
Subject: Re: Kirsty MacColl sings Brian Wilson
She did a wonderful single of You Still Believe In Me from Pet Sounds.
JK
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:17:32 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Badfinger, Stan Polley, and Badmurray
Denis Gagnon asked:
> I'm presently reading "Without you the tragic story of Badfinger".
> Al Kooper's name is mentioned a few times. I would like him to tell
> us about that "Name of the game" recording in which he was involved
> and which was never issued (apparently). Also, could he tell us more
> about Stan Polley who was his manager at one time ?
Badfinger & I were managed by Stan Polley. We were also both booked by Jeff
Franklin at ATI, so we toured together a great deal and even co-headlined Carnegie
Hall. Their record company asked me to remix and add organ to a track they did
so it could be released as a single. I went to the studio and worked all night on that
project. It was a version of Name Of the Game that had a full orchestra on it. I
overdubbed an organ and spent all night remixing it. Never came out. It was pretty
darn good, too!
Stan Polley is quite a character. He "manged" us, The Tokens, Lou Christie,
Charlie Calello, Irwin Levine, Neil Bogart, Kenny Kerner & Richie Wise, and a
few others. He extracted zillions of dollars from us, and then quietly disappeared
to Palm Springs, where he resides today, in his late '80s. He got most of my Lynyrd
Skynyrd money, all of Badfinger's, and probably a lot of the others mentioned. He
was NOT a stupid man, he just had no regard for the human condition. In retrospect,
he ruined my life financially until I got away from him and pulled myself up off the
ground in the late '80s. He was not the only villain in my life, but a memorable one.
And while we're on that subject, let me add a footnote to all the Murray The K praise.
When I was in The Blues Project, we played a live stage show for him at Easter 1967,
at the RKO 58th St. Theater in NYC, alongside The Who, Cream, Wilson Pickett and
Mitch Ryder. Murray paid no one at the conclusion of this ten-day engagement of five
shows a day. Ginger Baker chopped down Murray's dressing room door with an axe.
Good thing he wasn't inside. No wonder John Lennon called him a wanker in that
new DVD. (Murray thought he said "whacker".)
G'night for now,
Old Al Kooper
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 01:56:39 -0000
From: Doug
Subject: Soul 24-7 -- what happened?!
Dear all:
For those soul lovers out there, I'm sure you've noticed the demise of my
favorite internet soul radio station, Soul 24-7. The Metropolitan Soul
playlists were posted here, so I'm sure many of you know what I'm talking
about.
I'm SICK. Soul 24-7 was my favorite online soul music source. If it wasn't
for Soul 24-7, I wouldn't know a fraction of the soul music I now know,
especially Northern Soul.
If anyone can provide some insight into what happened, I would greatly
appreciate it. It would be nice to know that Soul 24-7's ceasing of operations
are only temporary. But, who knows. All I know is that it will be missed
tremendously.
Thanks,
Doug
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 22:47:40 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Miss Judy Geeson, Tony Camillo
A question for the UK'ers on the group: What's Judy Geeson up to lately?
Not to get off-topic; I can always check imdb or somewhere. The Mindbenders'
tunes in "To Sir, With Love" really were smashing! I believe the film was released
here in the States sometime after they had stopped having hits. But what a
soundtrack -- Lulu's terrific voice, Judy G's gorgeous looks, etc.
Tony Camillo and "Bazuka" had a big early-summer disco hit in 1975 with
"Dynomite" (A&M) -- this COULD be the Bazooka single Austin R. is referring to.
And isn't that funny -- I always assumed Bazooka on White Whale was the group
on Bang resurfacing two years later! Learn something new every day on S'pop.
Bobster
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