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There are 13 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Which "I've Been Hurt" came first?
From: "spectorcollector"
2. The Jodelles
From: Bob H.
3. Re: Hippies and SF
From: Clark Besch
4. Re: Julee Cruising
From: Clark Besch
5. Re: Bazooka - Look At You Now
From: Austin Roberts
6. Re: Affection Collection - The Dard on Evolution
From: Jeff Lemlich
7. Re: Investigating The Lettermen
From: James Botticelli
8. Re: "Raiders" / David Lewis / Feminine Complex
From: Phil X Milstein
9. Re: Investigating The Lettermen / Me About You
From: Paul Richards
10. Mail-order; Canadian masters
From: Country Paul
11. Re: Which "I've Been Hurt" came first?
From: Simon White
12. Carmen McRae Sings Brian Wilson
From: Steve Harvey
13. Re: Which "I've Been Hurt" came first?
From: Billy G. Spradlin
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 04:46:46 -0000
From: "spectorcollector"
Subject: Re: Which "I've Been Hurt" came first?
Jeff Petschow:
> I've got a 45 by Ray Whitley doing "I've Been Hurt." This is on
> the Dunhill label. Did his version come out before The Sensational
> Epics'?
I have this single too, and like it a lot. What I didn't realize
until pulling it out to listen to it again tonight is that, while it
is on *a* Dunhill label, it doesn't appear to be *the* Dunhill
label. It looks, "feels," and sounds like 1965 to me, and that is
indeed the year that the famed ABC-Paramount-distributed imprint
released its first title. But there's no mention of the parent
company at the bottom of the label as there is on other "real"
Dunhill records, and the release number, 201, doesn't correspond
with any of the catalog numbers I know on "the" Dunhill label.
The "real" Dunhill's first released single, by The Iguanas, was
number 3001; then they switched to a "4000" series through 1974,
finally adopting a "15000" series until folding the following year.
My copy's a promo, so it's possible that it was never commercially
released, and the catalog number series dropped along with the label
layout ("design" would be too strong a word) and tunes themselves.
Anyone know? In any case, it's now playing in musica, so you can
decide for yourself which version is better/first.
By the way, I've another excellent single of Ray's on Vee Jay 448
(circa 1961), "It Hurts," in which he offers up a fine Ral Donner
impersonation. Did he have a thing for pain, perhaps?
David A. Young
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 21:49:53 -0000
From: Bob H.
Subject: The Jodelles
Hello everyone,
I was looking for a site with some information about the Jodelles,
and the Yahoo search led me to this group, so I joined it, but now
that I'm here I cannot find any posting that mentions the group!
The Jodelles are (or anyway were!) a trio of young black females.
Visually I suppose one could compare them to The Three Degrees or
possibly the Ronettes, and they released a 7" single called "My Boy"
in 1983 that to my ears (what's left of them after listening to
Meatloaf and ZZ Top!) is kind of halfway between the two styles of
music. Anyway I like it a lot and I bought a copy after hearing it
on UK radio, but then it didn't chart and as far as I know they
disappeared without trace.
I wrote to the record company after buying the single and got two
promotional photos for my trouble. I'd just like to know what became
of these three beautiful ladies, so to help anyone who knows the
name but can't quite remember, I have uploaded both sides of the
single cover and the two photos - which are about 8" x 10" (actually
a bit smaller than that). I believe I also had a sheet of
biographical information with the photos but at the moment I don't
know where that is! The pics are in the album called "Bobs Album."
Bob H.
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The sleeve you posted was for The Jodelle's first single, with "My
Boy" as the A-side and "The Choo-Choo" on the B (UK Arista 302).
They followed that (very shortly, it would appear) with Arista 305,
on which "My Boy" became the B-side to "Girls Fall in Love," before
sinking into oblivion. All three songs are great.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:10:32 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Hippies and SF
Karen and albabe, I was like Karen. Growing up with such a fervor
for music in the midwest, I was excited to see San Fran when I went
finally during a family vacation in 73. Was also disappointed to not
see any hippies at Haight-Ashbury, but guessed just what was written
here had happened. Yet, driving the coast highway from LA to SF gave
me the idea of all the things from "Dead Man's Curve" days
to "Monterrey" flying thru my head as we headed up the Cal coast.
Glad I was able to go at least in 73. Today, it must be much
different from even 1973, I'd guess. Of course, 1973 was much
different from 67 at that point. We stopped and ate at a Shakey's
Pizza place with the banjo music and all--um, don't think that was a
60's icon.......Clark
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:50:54 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Julee Cruising
Ok Phil, you're scaring me. I am afraid my girlfriend will start
reading Spectropop now. Pretty soon we'll be seeing ads on Tv "Hey
that's MY SPECTROPOP" along side the ESPNThe Magazine
commercials!! :) Anyway, I told her that Julee was mentioned on
SPop and she told me Julee was a year ahead of her in high school,
but she did have French class with her and visited her home a couple
of times.
It's always Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!! Yeah, Marcia Wallace was the
town queen for their centennial or some event in Creston years ago.
She was their big claim to fame then.
For all the many SPop drummers out there, there was one BIG name from
Creston, Iowa besides Julee and Marcia. John Robinson grew up
there. John is widely heard as a session drummer. He joined Rufus
in 1978 and from there played on Michael Jackson's "Off the Wall"
which was his big break. We'll forgive him for this, but he plays on
MJ's upcoming Cd as well. In between, he drummed on "We Are the
World", Winwood's "Back in the High Life" and "Higher Love",
Clapton's "Change the World" and won a Grammy with Rufus for "Ain't
Nobody" in 83. He also plays on many soundtracks and most impressive
of these for me is "That Thing You Do!"
John is reuniting with Rufus and Chaka Khan for a tour, live DVD and
new Cd as well as John getting a solo Cd out soon too. You can check
John out at his website:
www.johnjrrobinson.com
That's all from Iowa fer now! Yours Truly, C.C. (Creston Clark)
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:37:55 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Bazooka - Look At You Now
> There's been a few mentions on here in the past few months of
> Bazooka's "Boo on You" single from the late 60s ... I recently
> came across a reference to another 45 by a band called Bazooka,
> Look At You Now b/w Yours Until Forever, released on the White
> Whale label in around 1970...
Hey Clark and Peter,
Boo On You was a song I wrote while working with Johnny Cymbal and
George Tobin in New York in 1968. I wrote it one day,we went into
Allegro Studio that night and cut it, and then sold it to Bang Records
the next day. I was actually the artist. It came out, was acting like
a hit but the promo man died or left and we lost our momentum. The
same thing happened with Keep On Singing on Chelsea when Jerry Fine
died; he was a great promotion man! There was a single called Bazooka
out later that I think the Jeromes or Tony Camillo were involved with.
Hope this helps, Austin Roberts
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:22:01 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: Affection Collection - The Dard on Evolution
Clark Besch:
> One of the earliest Evolution 45s was the Dard's "I Know".
> Problem is, I don't know....who they are. Another Petty
> production on Evolution 1005 from around November 69, I'd
> think. I REALLY love this song, altho it is listed as the
> B side to "Sounds of Life". Both written by J. McNichol.
> Another Canadian group??
The Dard was a recording pseudonym for the Hustlers from North
Miami, Florida, the same guys who did the great "If You Try"/"My
Mind's Made Up" on Chelle back in 1966. They used the name "The
Dard" during the final weeks they were together as a group. Johnny
McNicol died in a plane crash back in 1980. The surviving members
of the group helped out with The Hustlers CD that came out last year
on Gear Fab. The CD includes many unissued tracks (some from an
acetate I had) and both sides of The Dard 45. I highly recommend
it.
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:54:11 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Investigating The Lettermen
Patrick Rands wrote:
> I'm kicking myself for not picking up the 8 lp lot of Lettermen lps
> that just sold at ebay for 9.99. Well, I was only looking for one
> song by them is why I didn't I suppose. Anyone got it? I'm talking
> about there version of Me About You? I'm down to my last two or three
> versions of this song that I need to collect (did we all know that Big
> Audio Dynamite recorded a version of this song??) and what fun it has
> been coming across the various - quite different - renditions of it.
Patrick et al....there exists a Letterman anthology CD called "The Soft
Rock Collection". I have it and its spectacular...It MAY be Japanese
though (read $28.99).
JB
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:14:21 +0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: "Raiders" / David Lewis / Feminine Complex
Steve Harvey wrote:
> Why do we remember Paul Revere anyway? The British troops eventually
> caught him, but nobody remembers the other guy who actually warned
> everybody on his complete route and was never caught? Maybe Paul had
> a better publicist.
No way, Jose -- William Dawes has his very own traffic island, right on
the outskirts of Harvard Square.
John Berg wrote:
> There remains some hope that a CD compiling all the Dennon-produced
> Dave Lewis Trio material will emerge soon, though Dennon has promised
> such since 2000. He purposefully held back this material from the
> deal with ACE Records to release tons of other cool material from the
> Dennon vaults.
"David's Mood, Pt. 2" shows up on several compilations in my collection,
and I've come to dig it a lot. Sure could go for an all-DL collection,
and I hope Dennon gets around to it sooner rather than later.
Clark Besch wrote:
> Feminine Complex are another group I recognized by one song. In
> October, 1969, I got Mindy & the Complex' 45 "Part the Curtains of
> my Hair". ... If wanted, I can post the 45 to Musica if I can find it.
Cool song title -- love to hear the record sometime.
--Phil M.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:17:19 EDT
From: Paul Richards
Subject: Re: Investigating The Lettermen / Me About You
I'm a huge Lettermen fan too, I'm particularly fond of their 'Mr Sun'
from '68.One of the most heavenly softpop records ever. Is it
available on CD? If not, I can post it to musica if there's any space.
I'd love to hear their version of 'Me About You' too. I bet it's great.
Patrick, do you have Billie Davis' version? It's the best I've heard
so far.
Paul
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 19:44:40 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Mail-order; Canadian masters
Frank Jastfelder on mail-order music:
> I mixed up Collectors Choice with Collectables. Shame on me. I will
> double check everything in the future.
I've had limited but positive experience with both - nothing inordinately
long, using standard mail service. Anyone have any experience with Heartland
Music?
Mick Patrick:
> One of the great arrangers of all time, Jimmie Haskell is alive
> and well in Southern California. He talks at length about his
> work with Rick Nelson....
> http://www.acerecords.co.uk/extras/rickn.html
Excellent reading - thank you! I've always felt Nelson was underrated; it's
good to see something this in-depth from an important first-person source.
Michael Fishburg, re: remastering and tape vs vinyl:
> There's the rub. How much do you want to SPEND on doing a decent
> remastering job?
As much as needed to do the job as well as it needs to, sometimes with an
eye on finances depending on how much of a labor of love it is. Isn't this a
question like "How much is a car?" Well, what kind? For what purpose? Who'll
be driving it? etc. And you're right, Michael, minor miracles -and the
occasional major one - can be accomplished with the various audio programs
in computers.
Interestingly, I know of a Canadian label (who will remain nameless a la
Michael Godin's reply) which has an astonishing number of albums of
high-quality reissues, but many (not all) are "a bit on the grey side." Of
course, they contain stuff one can't find elsewhere in any legit format. But
that's an ethical question for another time.
Country Paul
(still in catch-up mode)
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 07:17:22 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Which "I've Been Hurt" came first?
> It's a version of "I've Been Hurt," written by Ray and recorded by
> the beach music boys, The Sensational Epics. You all know the hit
> by Bill Deal & The Rhondells, from the spring of 1969, but this one,
> from 1967 on Cameo 450, is likely the FIRST version.
> I've got a 45 by Ray Whitley doing "I've Been Hurt." This is on the
> Dunhill label. Did his version come out before The Sensational Epics'?
The Tams version fits in here somewhere -I really must find out where.
There is also a version by Guy Darrell which caught the attention of the
Northern Soul crowd and was a UK hit 45.
Simon
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 19:27:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Carmen McRae Sings Brian Wilson
Phil Milstein is:
> Interested to see some thoughts on favorite cover versions
> of Beach Boys songs -- only those wr. or co-wr. by Brian
> Wilson, though. Female vocals preferred!
Mick Patrick:
> I'll start the ball rolling with Carmen McRae's version of "I
> Just Wasn't Made For These Times". It's from her 1967 LP "For
> Once In My Life" (Atlantic SD 8143). This fine album was cut
> in London with arranger-conductor Johnny Keating. I have an
> idea which S'poppers will like this and who amongst you will
> not. It's playing now over @ musica. Y'all know how to get
> there: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
The late, great Kirsty MacColl did a version too, on some
obscure single. She put "Don't go Near the Water" on her CD, but
that's a Mike and Al tune so it don't count!
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 06:55:44 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: Which "I've Been Hurt" came first?
Jeff Petschow:
> I've got a 45 by Ray Whitley doing "I've Been Hurt." This is on
> the Dunhill label. Did his version come out before The Sensational
> Epics'?
Didn't the Tams record this song first? That's the version I'm familar
with. I think their version is still the best, a fantastic production.
BTW Who was the songrwriter of this song?
Thanks!
Billy
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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