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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Buddy Holly & The Overdubs; one-chord wonders
From: Country Paul
2. Re: what year was that?
From: Ed Rambeau
3. Re: David Clayton-Thomas
From: John Berg
4. Re: Feldman, Gottehrer, Goldstein - sixties discography
From: James Botticelli
5. Shadows of Motown
From: Albabe Gordon
6. Re: stereo/mono pressings / DJ pronunciation
From: Hugo M.
7. Re: great names
From: Bill Craig
8. Re: Hal Shaper, R.I.P.
From: Mikey
9. Chief Bassist of the United States
From: Phil Milstein
10. Mary Wilson of the Supremes news
From: Tom
11. Penn/Oldham
From: Ken Silverwood
12. Answers from Johnny Tillotson
From: Dan Hughes
13. Re: Weirdly grooved records
From: jerophonic
14. Re: Cilla's cool records
From: Mike Stachurski
15. The Coastliners
From: Mark
16. Question for Al Kooper
From: Justin McDevitt
17. Re: Buddy Holly after 45 years
From: superoldies
18. Quiotes & co-opts; Bells of St. Mary's; Paul Evans' website; trailers & big endings
From: Country Paul
19. Re: "Angels Among Us"
From: Phil Milstein
20. Re: even MORE Italian originals.....
From: Steve
21. Re: Cilla's songs
From: Alan Warner
22. Re: Penn & Oldham live album
From: Al Kooper
23. Re: one-chord wonders
From: Al Kooper
24. Cilla Black
From: jerophonic
25. Re: Positively 4th fadeout
From: Al Kooper
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:10:26 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Buddy Holly & The Overdubs; one-chord wonders
Since it's still February 3rd (at least on the east coast):
Paul Bryant:
> Regarding the overdubbed Buddy [Holly] - some of it is
> great - the Fireballs did wonderful things on, for
> instance, What to Do.
The jury on the Fireballs overdubs is mixed, but in general I think they
were very good and very complimentary. But some of the "raw" tracks are
super tasty, too. One overdub I like is of recent vintage, but involves a
vintage artist: Buddy Holly with the Hollies on "Peggy Sue Got Married" (CD:
"Not Fade Away [Remembering Buddy Holly], Decca DRND-11260, 1997). I think
they take the song where he might have.
Paul again:
> Buddy remains my choice for Worst Rock Death. I
> know Elvis and Lennon were mourned throughout the
> cosmos, but by their demise they has done their work.
> I think Buddy was just beginning. (No 2 would be
> Hendrix, of course.)
All are sad, but Buddy was the first huge star, although Ritchie Valens was
only 17 and had an auspicious start. I disagree that Lennon had done his
work -- maybe the first couple of chapters, but he had more to go, I'm sure.
Mike "Big Star," thanks for the good words on Dwight Twilley.
Jon Adelson:
> Can anyone think of any other uni-chord songs? I can't believe
> that there are too many.
Bob Dylan, "Ballad of Hollis Brown"
Bunker Hill, "Hide and Seek"
David Gordon -- amazing FGG list! Thank you.
Country Paul
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:36:27 EST
From: Ed Rambeau
Subject: Re: what year was that?
James Botticelli wrote:
> ... a great song to begin with. Born again in '66 by Susan Rafey
> produced brilliantly by Alan Lorber. Now, what year was yours
> Eddie? If you don't mind?
I'm very bad at years. But I'm certain Mike Edwards will know. That guy
is a walking encylopedia when it comes to 60's music. So let it roll, Mike.
What year was "The Big Hurt" by the Front Runners?
Ed Rambeau
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:18:30 EST
From: John Berg
Subject: Re: David Clayton-Thomas
DC-T performed here in the Seattle area not long ago -- at one of the casino
clubs run by a Native American tribe (which have proliferated in our region
over the past decade and bring in lots of '60s and '70s bands and singers.)
Can't recall if he used his own name or BS&T.
John Berg
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:50:47 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Feldman, Gottehrer, Goldstein - sixties discography
Martin Roberts wrote:
> Patty Lace and the Petticoats (Kapp 585)'64
> Girls Don't Trust That Boy
> Girls Should Always Look Their Best
Over the top and underappreciated. ... Who were they? Where from? Sneaky
Sue wanna know!
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:57:20 -0800
From: Albabe Gordon
Subject: Shadows of Motown
Richard Williams says of Standing in the Shadows of Motown
>"Just a note to mention that the Funk Brothers appeared at the Festival
> Hall in London on Friday night... Stevie Winwood..."
Wow!!! sounds like a great show. I hope it'll be released either officially or
as a boot.
I understand that there is Funk Brothers" cd out now (as of the 3rd of Feb.).
The Ice Cube article in I.C.E. Magazine says that "it's the first set to cull the
legendary house band's original instrumental performances." Then it says that it
also has an instrumental version of "What's Going On" that's never been out
before. So, does that mean that some of their instrumental performances have
been released before? I'm confused... as per usual.
~albabe
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 02:26:48 -0000
From: Hugo M.
Subject: Re: stereo/mono pressings / DJ pronunciation
The reason for pressing records in two different versions is that in
the earlier, more primitive days of record-player technology you
needed a specifically-for-stereo stylus to play stereo records, and
playing them with a mono "needle" (the name we used to use for
styli) would damage them. This is also why c.1971-72 you start
seeing "can also be played on mono turntables" printed on jackets --
things were being manufactured with a bit more sophistication, and the
problem had been solved.
My favorite disc jockey mistake happened when a dj on a Mexican-music
station had to read an advert for a store that sold pre-fab garages/
storage spaces. Company's name was Tuff Shed, and the poor
guy at Radio Pantera got all tongue-tied...
Beep-beep m beep-beep YEAH...
Hugo M.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:46:17 -0000
From: Bill Craig
Subject: Re: great names
Some guys that I went to high school with in the'60's had a band with
a great name: The Vacant Lot.
They had one 45 on Roulette, appeared on Upbeat, and sank into
obscurity. Inspired name though.
Bill Craig
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:52:44 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Hal Shaper, R.I.P.
> From the London Independent:
> "The lyricist Hal Shaper's most famous composition was "Softly as I
> Leave You" and in 1962 it was a Top Ten single in the UK for Matt
> Monro. It did reasonably well in America, was covered by Doris Day,
> Andy Williams and Brenda Lee, and became a standard when Frank Sinatra
> recorded it in 1964.
And, I might add that there is a heartbreaking version of "Softly" by The
Lettermen on Capitol. Really excellent.
mikey
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:53:23 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Chief Bassist of the United States
Erik Lindgren, of whom we were speaking here recently, has turned up a
very interesting item in his exhaustive collection of the little-known
genre of prep school rock band records*. He's found a 1961 vanity LP,
pressed in a quantity of about 500, by The Electras of St. Paul's
Academy in New Hampshire, which included as its bassist John Kerry, who
is today the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for U.S. president.
Monday's Washington Post covers this story, including band photo, at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4009-2004Feb1.html .
Sample text:
"Lindgren, a Kerry supporter, took the album to one of the senator's
rallies in September and was waving it over his head when the candidate
swept through the crowd to shake hands. Kerry spotted it and lunged
toward Lindgren, grinning broadly.
"'It was a euphoric moment, both for me and for Kerry,' he recalled. 'He
came over with this look of disbelief and he kept asking, "Where did you
find this?" He couldn't believe anyone had one.' Then he gathered his
campaign aides and pointed out the lanky guy on the jacket photo in the
back row on the right, who looks like a swell in search of a sock hop.
"'He kept saying, "That's me!'"' Lindgren reports, and then he
autographed the album."
Rolling Stone and the tabloid TV "news" program Inside Edition are also
planning some coverage of this 43-years-delayed breaking story. I'm
thinking that since a reunion of his Vietnam War buddies was such a
successful campaign event for Senator Kerry, his next move should be a
reunion of The Electras.
--Phil M.
*"prep schools" is the term in the U.S. for private boarding high
schools, with enrollment (obviously) restricted to rich kids
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:48:24 -0000
From: Tom
Subject: Mary Wilson of the Supremes news
Mary asked me to share the following information with you:
Last Thursday, before she left New York, Mary suffered what may have
been a Transient Ischemic Attack (TIA) -- commonly known as a
mini-stroke. She was able to fly home to Las Vegas, where she is
currently under her doctor's care. Doctors have not yet figured out
exactly what caused this situation, but they think it may have been
brought on by the stress associated with Mary's upcoming trial date.
Her doctors have assured Mary that there has been no permanent
damage, and that she can expect a full recovery. As an indication
of just how strong she is, Mary perfomed her scheduled concert in
New Mexico Saturday night. She is a trooper!
Please note, however, that Mary has cancelled her scheduled
appearance on The Wayne Brady Show, so that she can get the rest she
needs.
I am sure that you join me in holding Mary in prayer for a speedy
and full recovery from this health episode.
peace,
Tom
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:58:04 -0000
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Penn/Oldham
from Richard:
> There is a wonderful Dan Penn and Spooner Oldham album from
> 1999 called 'Moments From This Theatre'. Recorded live in
> Dublin, Belfast, London and South Petherton (the first mention
> ever on Spec'pop for this small Somerset village I'll wager).
> It has a trawl through some of their biggest hits. It includes,
> what is to my ears, a version of 'I'm Your Puppet' that gives
> James and Bobby a run for their money. Another highlight is the
> album closer, 'Ol' Folks'. The CD is out on Proper Records.
I'll second that. One of the few times i've bought a new album
in the last five years, I was not disappointed. Wasn't it Dan Penn
who, when asked for his favorite version of " Dark End Of The
Street", replied "James Carr -- as if there was any other". The
whole album leaves you with a "warm glow". In my opinion
Penn sounds like Presley should have sounded today. Oh no,
what have I said?!
Ken On The West Coast.
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:00:01 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Answers from Johnny Tillotson
Here's the latest round of answers from Johnny Tillotson:
Dear Dan:
We don't get to our e-mail on a consistent basis because we're on the road,
etc. so we're here now, and will try to answer the new questions.
Thank David for his question re: Our World. Johnny's good friend
Paul Evans (Roses Are Red; Seven Little Girls) was at one of Johnny's
New Year's Eve parties in New York, and Paul said to Johnny, I have a song
I think you'd like. He played it for Johnny and he loved it. He wasn't
looking to make a statement, he just liked the song. Great song. Johnny
recorded it in Spanish, also. It's on the website, and it gave him a great
trip to Holland to sing it on Dutch TV.
Johnny recorded one of Austin's songs, "Next To You", in the early
eighties. Johnny did it beautifully, but it was unfortunately never
released. Johnny admires his writing. Ricky did do a great version of
"I Rise, I Fall", and thank him for the compliments on "Dreamy Eyes"
and "Without You" .
Please tell Mark hello. What a great guy. They did have a great
tour in Saudi Arabia -- he did a lot of arranging of songs, also. Please
give him Johnny's email and send him Johnny's best.
Hello to Country Paul. "Why Do I Love You So" was produced by
Archie Bleyer,.Johnny did the arrangement, which Archie refined.
The writer Cliff Rhodes was a college buddy of Johnny's at the
University of Florida -- go Gators! They would serenade the girls at
the sorority houses with it, just like in the movies. Went over great.
The talking on "True, True Happiness" was on the original demo -- it
was written by Hal Green. Archie Bleyer heard "Without You" with
strings -- Johnny believes it was the first time they used strings. Great
song. Johnny thinks Archie wrote the best string parts in the business
at the time.
Dan asks what made Johnny do country. Johnny and the Everly Brothers
were originally the country department of Cadence Records, so it
was really the other way around. They were all from the south and
grew up on country. Even Elvis was country, then they were rock-a-Billy,
then Rock n Roll. That's the kind of music Johnny did on his TV show in
the
mid fifties, all three styles. Buddy Holly was country, and he toured on
country shows -- that was the first tour Johnny saw him appear on. Johnny
got signed at Cadence after a performance at the Grand Ole Opry in
Nashville, Tennessee.
Our best to all.
Sincerely,
Nancy Tillotson
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:17:48 -0000
From: jerophonic
Subject: Re: Weirdly grooved records
Dan Hughes wrote:
> Wait a minute here! "Never plays the same song twice" isn't right!
> I assume there are 128 different tracks and it's totally random as
> to which track you get when the needle drops. The odds of getting
> all 128 tracks in 128 tries are miniscule! You'd get tons of
> repeats! Do we have a statistician in the group? How many needle
> drops would it take to get all 128? You'd go nuts!
It's a comedy album which "never plays the same [show] twice". I
think there are four different grooves, hence, four different shows.
So it's "never" in the sense of "until you play it five times." Call
off the statisticians.
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:11:22 +1300
From: Mike Stachurski
Subject: Re: Cilla's cool records
Art,
Yes Cilla did have a hit in the UK with "You're My World." But not with
"Across the Universe".
I love her version of McCartney's "Junk".
Mike Stachurski,
Dunedin, NZ
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:15:40 -0000
From: Mark
Subject: The Coastliners
I haven't seen any mention of these guys, who were known as The
Beach Boys of Texas. They had some pretty good records with a variety
of sounds. I'm also surprised that no one has thought to do a
collection of their material. Anyone know more about these guys?
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:14:48 -0700
From: Justin McDevitt
Subject: Question for Al Kooper
Hi Al and Spectropop,
About 10 years ago, I read an article by Dave Barry in which he and
a number of other writers, including Amy tan and Roy Blount Jr got
together to form a rock n' roll band, whose name slips my mind right now.
As I recall, you figured prominently in the development of this ensemble
and I believe played keyboards.
Dave Barry was pretty awed by your presence in this group, particularly
the fact that you played on Bob Dylan's Like A Rolling Stone. I think he was
also somewhat intimidated by your no-nonsense, no bullshit approach to
help them reach an acceptable level of musicianship so they could actually
perform. Any comments on your involvement with these group of scribes?
Justin McDevitt
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:24:54 -0000
From: superoldies
Subject: Re: Buddy Holly after 45 years
Very lucky to have seen Buddy live! I'll be doing a special show
Tues. (later today) 2-4pm CST on www.superoldies.com -- I will be
playing Bopper, Ritchie & Buddy related tracks, and some things you
will have "guaranteed" not heard before.
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:58:15 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Quiotes & co-opts; Bells of St. Mary's; Paul Evans' website; trailers & big endings
Re: Songs that "quote" others; since Little Isidore (David Forman) has come
back up in discussion, he (and the Inquisitors) have a track on the "Largo"
album (Mercury CD, a couple of years ago, consisting of variations on the
Dvorak -- not to be confused with "anorak" -- New World Symphony's
"Going Home" theme). Not only does every track have a quote from or
some relationship to that theme, but Isidore's track, "Before The Mountain,"
perhaps the best track on the CD, also quotes the Isley Brothers' "Shout"
(the "Hey-Hey-Hey-Hey" part). Interestingly, they also give author credit to
the brothers. This one is worth searching out IMO.
Watson MacBlue:
> Anyone know any other pastiches that have been mistaken for the
> real thing?
One famous one from the mid-60s is Steve Gillette's "authentic" folk song,
"Darcy Farrow." Spot-on to the era, and beautiful. And (here I go again) a
non-doo-wop collector would be hard pressed to tell the difference between
several of the originals on either of Little Isidore & The Inquisitors'
albums and the songs they cover.
Julio Nino:
> ...[C]onsidering that in Jamaica it is not uncommon that singers, and
> specially producers take credit of well known songs....
One of my favorites that was co-opted into "Jamaican" is by a vocal group
called the Tennors (yep, 02 Ns) entitled "Weather Report," actually a reggae
version, with some misheard and purposely changed lyrics, of "The Only
Living Boy In New York." The original title line becomes "You're the only
little girl in my home town," and the new title comes from the line "I get
all the news I need on the weather report." My favorite lyrical
"malfunction": "Donnelly, Donnelly, Donnelly, Donnelly, here I am." In
short, this record is superb; good luck finding it! (I think it was released
in the late 60s; I have it on a 3-LP set from Columbia Special Products
which heavily relied on some of the Shelter reggae releases of the early
70's in the US. I have no idea of its original label. Anyone else heard
this?)
Paul Bryant:
> ..."The Bells of St. Marys."
Phil Chapman:
> ...[P]ossibly my favourite track on the Christmas Gift
> LP. I still love Bobby [Sheen]'s vocal, even though years
> later I discovered it was a fair facsimile of Clyde
> McPhatter's earlier performance (which I also love).
And for a different take, try Terry & The Mellos' version on Amy; reminiscent
of the Demensions' "Over The Rainbow." By the way, am I the only person
who trucked out -- yea, who remembers -- the Demensions' exquisite version
of "Ave Maria" (Mohawk, 1960) at Christmas time? (And hey, I'm even Jewish!)
Paul Evans: I just spent over half an hour at http://www.paulevans.com
including chasing some of your links. Nice site, very well put together. I'd
forgotten you wrote "When" [Kalin Twins] and "Gotta Know" [Elvis], two early
faves of mine (I also like the excerpt of your own version). Glad you're
aboard.
Selected shorts....
Re: Thomas Wayne's "Tragedy" -- I'm with Trevor; I just replayed it and I
indeed hear it as "Bung."
Austin Roberts, your perspective on Dunhill vis-a-vis Emitt Rhodes' was
neither too long nor boring. I think you got the right angle on Rhodes'
experience even without reading the article.
Steveo, re: FGG:
> As far as the Feldman and assoc bag, I think they also produced the
> Strangeloves.."I Want Candy".
One better, Steve -- they *were* the Strangeloves (allegedly Miles, Giles and
Niles Strange -- yeah, right).
Mike Edwards' Super Bowl halftime show was certainly more interesting than
the real one, Janet Jackson notwithstanding (talk about much ado about
nothing; people have bodies, and some Americans are just going to have to
get used to that fact). Kirsty MacColl's "A New England" is a perfect
choice, Mike. I do agree your list was a bit one-sided, but you could have
satisfied both sides with New Englander James Taylor's "Carolina In My
Mind"!
Re: Spine Shiverers / Big Finishes, may I offer the spectacular choral
ending on the Rivieras' superb doowop version of Louis Prima's big-band
classic "Count Every Star" -- coincidentally the first 45 I ever bought, and
for that very reason. What voices! What a blend! Even my rock-hating
opera-loving mother liked it! (The runner-up reason I bought it: the
syncopation of the "Count now, 01 -- 2 -- 3-4" (you gotta hear it on the
record -- remarkable bass singer).
And that's my big finish for now,
Country Paul
P. S. Curious to see if anyone picks up Dan Hughes' payola thread -- or the
money Dan left lying next to it! :-)
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:08:43 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: "Angels Among Us"
Joe Nelson wrote:
> Is this the same song Alabama recorded a number of years back?
Laura Pinto wrote:
> In a word, yup!
In that case, the song is the one co-written by Becky Hobbs ... which
provides a convenient segue to a reminder of our page in which Becky
recalls her late friend Charlotte O'Hara, aka Bonnie of Bonnie & The
Treasures: http://www.spectropop.com/HOTB/HOTBpart5.htm
--Phil M.
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:37:44 -0000
From: Steve
Subject: Re: even MORE Italian originals.....
Uno Dei Tanti - Joe Sentieri
I Who have Nothing - Ben E King
Concerto D'Autunno - ?? early 50s I think
And That Reminds Me - Four Seasons among others
La Novia - Tony Dallara (wr Joaquin Prieto)
The Wedding - Julie Rogers
Quando Quando Quando - Tony Renis
Quando Quando Quando - Emgelbert Humperdinck
Cuando Caliente El Sol - Los Hermanos Rigual (Spanish actually)
Love Me With All Your Heart - Ray Charles Singers
El Amor - ???? (wr Joaquin Prieto)
In My Room - Verdelle Smith / Julie Rogers / Walker Bros
That's about all I have for now.......but as I keep surfing I find
more!!
Cheers
Steve
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:10:48 -0800
From: Alan Warner
Subject: Re: Cilla's songs
Art: Cilla Black certainly did have a song called YOU'RE MY WORLD.
Coincidentally, with other S'Pop letters talking about Italian songs,
YOU'RE MY WORLD was based on IL MIO MONDO, the English lyric
of which was by Carl Sigman. Chart-wise, YOU'RE MY WORLD was
one of two consistent Cilla Black #1's in the UK, following on from her
tremendous cover of ANYONE WHO HAD A HEART, both in 1964.
And no, ACROSS THE UNIVERSE never charted over there.
Rock on!
Alan Warner
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:34:12 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Penn & Oldham live album
Richard Havers wrote:
> There is a wonderful Dan Penn and Spooner Oldham album from
> 1999 called 'Moments From This Theatre'. Recorded live in
> Dublin, Belfast, London and South Petherton (the first mention
> ever on Spec'pop for this small Somerset village I'll wager).
> It has a trawl through some of their biggest hits. It includes,
> what is to my ears, a version of 'I'm Your Puppet' that gives
> James and Bobby a run for their money. Another highlight is the
> album closer, 'Ol' Folks'. The CD is out on Proper Records.
Yes you English folk are lucky to have that out and obtainable.
We Americans must hunt for it.
I cant describe it any better than you have either.
God bless,
Al Kooper
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:52:21 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: one-chord wonders
Mark Hill wrote:
> American Woman- THE GUESS WHO
> Black Dog, Heartbreaker, Whole Lotta Love- LED ZEPPELIN-
> Car Wash- ROSE ROYCE
> Chain Of Fools- ARETHA
etc.
As a musician I must nullify two of these choices:
The It's Your Thing groove uses various chords other than the one chord.
Superstition changes chords around the line "You believe in things you don't understand"
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:01:30 -0000
From: jerophonic
Subject: Cilla Black
Cilla had a local hit in the Philadelphia area with "It's For You" in
1964, around the same time as Peter & Gordon's "World Without Love".
John Lennon recorded a spoken intro for "It's For You", and Paul did
the same for Peter & Gordon. Local radio played these intros
constantly. John's went something like: "This next one is by Cilla
Black, a very beautiful girl, a very beautiful singer: it's called
'It's For You'". Do any 'poppers have copies of these, or even know
what I'm talking about? I could never figure out if they were
recorded on a cart, or tacked on to radio station copies of the 45's.
Also, is "It's For You" available on CD? And did anyone ever cover it
besides Three Dog Night?
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:07:39 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Positively 4th fadeout
Dan Hughes wrote:
> Al, I've always wondered about the fade-out at the end of Positively
> 4th Street. Can't quite describe why, but Bob's voice seems to be
> preparing to finish the line "You know what a drag it is to see you"
> but the music just fades out at that point. I just instinctively
> feel there should be another couplet coming after that.
> Anybody else feel the song ends before it's over??
Dan,
Except for the New Morning album, all i did was arrange & play on 'em.
The post studio decisions were things I was never involved in.
Al Kooper
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