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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Open Up Your Heart
From: Mark T
2. Re: Lulu/Aretha
From: steveo
3. Re: Lovin' Feelin' on Philles - Bad Pressings
From: steveo
4. Re: A workable idea?
From: Bryan
5. Re: "Midnight Special"
From: James Botticelli
6. Re: "Angels Among Us"
From: Laura Pinto
7. Re: R.I.P. Ed Sciaky
From: Steve Harvey
8. Boys Next Door
From: Bill George
9. Re: Dis-Advantages of You
From: Art Longmire
10. Re: Headquarters/no single from LP
From: Mike McKay
11. Songwriting credits
From: Ian Chippett
12. Jim Krondes
From: Tina Vozick
13. Re: Songwriter credits
From: Leslie Fradkin
14. "I Can't Quit Her"
From: Al Kooper
15. "Fly Away"
From: Al Kooper
16. Re: Songwriter Credits & Dan Penn
From: Peter Riley
17. Re: Ogden's
From: Andrew Hickey
18. Marvelettes Book
From: Stephanie
19. I Wanna Be Free
From: Lapka Larry
20. Re: Liberty Valance
From: Bob Hanes
21. Jerry Butler LP Question
From: John Sellards
22. Re: "You Left The Water Running"
From: Clay Stabler
23. In search of Italian pop
From: Country Paul
24. Re: Cilla's cool records
From: Art Longmire
25. Burt Bacharach & Hal David - their first production
From: Mick Patrick
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:59:38 -0000
From: Mark T
Subject: Open Up Your Heart
I know of 3 versions of this song [Open Up Your Heart]:
Thomas and Richard Frost
Almond Marzipan on Trend in England, which I think is the original
Rainbow on Evolution
The song is an early 70s pop tune in the vein of Edison
Lighthouse/White Plains. Great record. I am sure not the
same as the earlier songs mentioned with this title.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:24:44 -0800 (PST)
From: steveo
Subject: Re: Lulu/Aretha
Paul Bryant wrote:
> (On comparison of Lulu and Aretha F.) Steveo, I hope
> you realised I was not being altogether serious....
Paul, I really do like Lulu!!!!Heh Heh
Steveo
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:18:18 -0800 (PST)
From: steveo
Subject: Re: Lovin' Feelin' on Philles - Bad Pressings
Richard Hattersley wrote:
> Has any one noticed that "...Lovin' Feelin'" on the
> US Philles
> pressing is pressed slightly off centre? >
Richard,
I remember reading that Phil Spector's company started
using record pressing plants in Mexico I believe it
was, and Phil was opting for cheaper pressing costs.
This may account for some of the bad pressings for
Philles. It's not that all things from Mexico are
bad, but the standards of that particular plant were
supposedly not up to snuff.
Steveo
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:42:01 -0800
From: Bryan
Subject: Re: A workable idea?
Tom Taber wrote:
> [I] hope to this year release 1000 copies of a CD of
> live music from 1979 by America's greatest and maybe
> most beloved unknown band
Beloved "unknown" band? Hmm....is that even possible?
Perhaps you should share this with the rest of the
Spectropop class?
Bryan
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 17:01:39 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: "Midnight Special"
Al Kooper wrote:
> You were a lucky man, Paul -
> Everett on fire AND 7 little girls in the back seat!!!
But weren't they doing a guy named Fred?
--
James Botticelli
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 00:04:20 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Re: "Angels Among Us"
Laura Pinto wrote:
> Ron (Dante) has recorded the lovely song "Angels Among Us",
> which will be included on his forthcoming CD. To hear an
> audio clip, visit http://www.rondante.com and click on the
> link on his homepage.
Joe Nelson wrote:
> Is this the same song Alabama recorded a number of years back?
Hi,
In a word, yup! The same. Ron appears to have made the song his
own, with thrilling background harmonies and a great arrangement.
I saw him today and he's very excited about the recording and
looking forward to getting it released. (Watch this space for info
on the concert photos I took ... if they came out OK!)
Laura
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:58:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: R.I.P. Ed Sciaky
Al Kooper wrote:
> A great passionate music lover.
Most of the obits here in Philly always site how many
people Ed pushed into the limelight when they were
nobodies: Bruce, Joel, Yes, Bette, Manilow, Forbert,
etc. He was passionate about music which is why he
found it hard to be employed in today's current excuse
for radio.
I interned with Ed at WIOQ back in 1980. Played him an
English single by the Stray Cats (unknown at that time
in their own country) doing "You Can't Hurry Love".
"Not bad," mused Ed, "play it for David Dye". Dye
turned it down because it wasn't on the playlist
(surprise!) A year later a pedestrian version of "You
Can't Hurry Love" would chart via Phil Collins and the
Stray Cats started having their own hits.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 22:07:03 EST
From: Bill George
Subject: Boys Next Door
previously:
> Another (Kooper/Levine) favourite of mine is the Byrdsy
> "There Is No Greater Sin" a '65 single by the Boys Next Door.
Sounds great. Can anyone play it to musica?
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 00:07:06 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Re: Dis-Advantages of You
Mark T wrote:
> The original version of this was done by a group called The
> Answer on Columbia. The Brass Ring version on Dunhill was a
> cover. The Answer version was the one actually used on the
> commercial.
Are you sure? I have the Brass Ring's version and it sounds identical
to the commercial I heard in the 1960s. I also have the commercial on
an audio tape and it definitely sounds identical to the Brass Ring.
Art Longmire
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 23:40:58 EST
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: Headquarters/no single from LP
Larry Lapka wrote:
> Next question: why were there no single releases from the
> Headquarters LP? Were they too much in the midst of the Kirshner
> fallout, was this viewed as a lack of approval from RCA, or even a
> punishment? Did any other band--other than the Beatles of course--
> have a major album release during that period without a single 45
> being released from it (at least in the U.S.)?
There were no singles taken from the "Ventures in Space" album
at the time of its release (1964). "Out of Limits" finally came
out as a B-side, but that wasn't till 1967.
Mike
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 18:04:00 EST
From: Ian Chippett
Subject: Songwriting credits
Al Kooper wrote:
> The only one that comes to mind is the intro that is in
> the song Whiter Shade of Pale 3x. That needed copyrighting.
> Fortunately is was "written" by the composers (or lifted from
> public domain classical music). If an arranger had come up with
> it, he would NOT have been a songwriter. It's so weird, I know.
There's been a lot of discussion about this on the (very wonderful) Procol
Harum forum. In fact, the organ intro was (allegedly) written by the organist
Matthew Fisher who received no credit for it and it's rumoured that he later
left the band as a result (though he's now once again a member.) His first two
solo albums (both brilliant) have many moments which appear to confirm this (I
mean he could well have written the part and the overall feeling is oneof
bitterness and anger) . Al is right about the credit thing i.e. the arranger's part
is quite separate though I think he'd agree in this case MF should have
refused to allow the others to use his tune without a third of the royalties which
must have been astronomical.
Ian Chippett
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 00:09:54 -0500
From: Tina Vozick
Subject: Jim Krondes
Country Paul:
> Karl Hammel, Jr., came (I believe) from my home town of
> New Rochelle, NY. (Or was it co-writer Jimmy Krondes?)
Don't know about Hammel, but Jim Krondes did live in New Rochelle.
Does anyone know anything about Jim these days? Paul wrote a few
songs with him, way back when, including "The Isle of Skorpios" and
"The WInds of Change". He would like to be in touch with Jim again.
Tina
http://www.sff.net/people/paullevinson
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:17:29 -0700
From: Leslie Fradkin
Subject: Re: Songwriter credits
Dear Al, you wrote:
> The only one that comes to mind is the intro that is in the
> song Whiter Shade of Pale 3x. That needed copyrighting.
> Fortunately is was "written" by the composers (or lifted from
> public domain classical music). If an arranger had come up with
> it, he would NOT have been a songwriter. It's so weird, I know.
But Al, to this day, Matthew Fisher gets NO composing credit for
Whiter Shade Of Pale (he of the famous organ lick) even though
it's part of the published sheet music. In fact, it's the reason
he originally left Procol Harum.
Les
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 02:57:06 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: "I Can't Quit Her"
Bob Radil:
> Was "Just One Smile" also a single? Was it the follow up
> or did it precede "I Can't Quit Her"? Was "I Love You More
> Than You'll Ever Know" released as a single?
Using just this grey-haired head, I'm pretty sure I Cant Quit
Her was the ONLY single from that first album.
Al Kooper
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 03:06:28 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: "Fly Away"
Bob Celli:
> I was wondering if you did the demo on "Fly Away" and if you remember
> the circumstances on how Bobby Vee ended up with the song. As I
> mentioned in another post, "Fly Away" was one of the highlights of
> the "Look At Me Girl" lp and in my opinion showed just how versatile
> Bobby Vee was as a recording artist.
I think the demo Bobby Vee used for his version of Fly Away was
probably the original Blues Projects version of the song.which
was not a demo. In those days, if I had newly written a song for
the band I was in, a demo didn't get made as a rule. In the case
of BS&T, we had to make demos to get a deal and to satisfy a producer.
Al Kooper
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:07:25 -0000
From: Peter Riley
Subject: Re: Songwriter Credits & Dan Penn
Richard Havers:
> There is a wonderful Dan Penn and Spooner Oldham album
> from 1999 called 'Moments From This Theatre'
One of my favourite "new" albums (1999 recording) is
Irma Thomas's "My Heart's in Memphis, the songs of Dan Penn".
It contains a sublime version of "I'm Your Puppet" as well
as nine new songs.
Peter
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 16:33:00 +0100
From: Andrew Hickey
Subject: Re: Ogden's
Frank Murphy:
> Are you sitting comfortably? Now let us begin.....
Trevor Ley:
> A little sidebar. Could be quoting Pink Floyd or are you
> quoting from the Small Faces' "Happines Stan"?
I suspect Frank was quoting the old BBC radio show "Listen
With Mother", which apparently (it finished more than a
decade before I was born, so I'm going from second-hand
evidence on this ;) ) always started 'Are you sitting
comfortably? Then I'll begin'. This is what both Floyd and
'Professor' Stanley Unwin (the narrator on Ogden's and one
of the UK's greatest comic treasures until his death last
year - no relation as far as I know to the Stanley Unwin who
published Tolkein's books ) were referencing - given how prone
UK psychedelic bands were to referencing both childhood and
exclusively British reference points, this should come as no
suprise (I'm only surprised there were no singles by The Troggs
or Status Quo in '68 referencing Muffin The Mule or Andy Pandy...)
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:39:58 -0000
From: Stephanie
Subject: Marvelettes Book
There is a book out now about the Marvelettes pioneers of the
girl group sound with "Please Mr Postman", "Beechwood 45789"
and "Don't Mess With Bill" and more!!! There are 196 copies
being sold by the author on EBAY at 19.99 and it will be on
amazon.com in 2 or 3 weeks so get your copies NOW Spectropoppers..
Stephanie
It was written by an original Marvelette...Katherine Anderson
Schaffner
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:24:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Lapka Larry
Subject: I Wanna Be Free
To All:
I am a bit behind in my reading, so if this has been
answered already, I apologize.
"I Wanna Be Free" was simply an album track in
America, although it did get released in certain parts
of the world as a single (I believe one was
Australia). It did, however, become one of the Monkees
most well known songs, as it was on the first Monkees
album and garnered a good amount of airplay as an
album track (again, alluding to my earlier question
about the paucity of Monkees singles, I think this one
should have been released--it would have been a number
one record for them).
Anyway, as their "Yesterday", it was recorded by
several dozen artists, and the Boyce and Hart tune is
one of the most fondly remembered of all Monkees song.
Ironically, when they were touring as a threesome, as
part of their act, Davy would say that this was one of
their biggest hits, and Micky would chime in that it
never was a hit--and I guess he was right.
Larry Lapka
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 02:43:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Bob Hanes
Subject: Re: Liberty Valance
I come from a college town in Oregon, and there was a folk
group that called themselves the Fairmount Singers from here
that had a bit of a hit in the NW with the song. In fact they
opened the movie here, at the same time they did in the large
markets, and the group played at the theater. They were a Dot
rercording group and were mentored by Jimmy Rodgers. In fact
I had to go to L.A. to hear the Pitney version. I know that
the intention was to get into the film for the group. Folk
singers version would have played more realistically perhaps.
One of the guys from the group is married to Kim Carnes and
manages her publishing, ironically enough. Just thought you
might find it intereting.
The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel,
Church of the Harmonic Overdub
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:31:04 -0000
From: John Sellards
Subject: Jerry Butler LP Question
I have a copy of Vee Jay VJS-1076, Giving Up On Love by
Jerry Butler. I bought this LP as a mono collector several
years ago...but it's a mono cover, mono label on the LP, and
it plays stereo. I'm just curious if anybody knows if this LP
was ever actually issued in mono. I'm not really unhappy having
it in stereo, I'm just curious as to whether all mono copies are
actually stereo or not. It's a tremendous LP, by the way.
Thanks,
John Sellards
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:23:32 -0000
From: Clay Stabler
Subject: Re: "You Left The Water Running"
Bill Reed:
> And, of course, there was a posthumously overdubbed demo of
> "..Water Running" by Otis Redding that was released. I have
> always been very curious as to who produced the final recording.
Al Kooper:
> Posthumous Otis almost always is his Keith Richards-at-the-time,
> Steve Cropper. I would be surprised if it wasn't. I can always
> call Dan Penn if neccessary.
Who sings the harmony on this cut? Is it Otis himself or
perhaps Dan Penn?
Clay S.
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:17:05 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: In search of Italian pop
In search of (without breaking the bank):
Nashville Street Singers - Long Black Veil (Capitol, probably 5061,
early 60s -
Marijohn Wilkin and the "other" back-up singers in Nashville, with
Anita Kerr's group being "the")
Gene Vincent - The Night Is So Lonely (Caoitol, late '50's,
NOT the demo out on Norton)
Any help, please? Any format will do it except open reel. Please
contact off list.
Al Kooper on Italian recordings:
> One of the greatest was called "Il Uno De Tante." I can't remember
> the original Italian artist BUT Leiber & Stoller bought the original
> Italian backing track, took off the lead singer, wrote English words,
> gave it to Ben E. King and voila - "I, Who Have Nothing"
Ah, thus explaining the unexpected lushness of the instrumental portion.
Incidentally, Italy had some great pop artists in the late 80s who put out
many albums each, particularly Antonino Venditti and Lucio Dalla. (There is
probably still some great pop from them and a new crop of artists - I'm out
of range of the show I used to listen to on WESU, Middletown, CT.) I'd have
to check on song titles to tell you what they are, as I know no Italian, but
I could sing 'em to you....
Country Paul
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:15:02 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Re: Cilla's cool records
Richard Hattersley wrote:
> I love "I've been Wrong Before" by Cilla Black
> I don't think it was a huge hit but its a great record.
> I like the comparison of Cilla's voice to a car with 2 gears :-)
> She does seem to sound a lot better on CD I have to say. On the
> original vinyl pressings the the sound just distorts when she
> hits full belt.
I only have a few tunes by Cilla Black, one that I kind of like
is her version of "Across the Universe". Does anybody know if
this was a hit in the U.K.? And did she have a song called
"You're My World"?
Art
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:32:17 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Burt Bacharach & Hal David - their first production
Me:
> Believe it or not, the first credited Bacharach production was
> "Three Wheels On My Wagon" b/w "One Part Dog, Nine Parts Cat" by
> Dick Van Dyke, released on Jamie 1178 in January 1961. Both sides
> were written and produced by Burt Bacharach and Bob Hilliard.
Phil Milstein:
> We knew that -- we were just testing you.
Yeah, right! :-) Have a crack at this one, then:
If the above-mentioned disc was the unlikely debut of Burt Bacharach
as credited producer, what was the first disc to bear the legend
"Produced by Bacharach and David"?
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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