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There are 26 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. "Wings of Love"; Beverly Sisters; Chants; doo-wop; more
From: Country Paul
2. Tiny Tim
From: Phil Milstein
3. Phil's Spectre, Spectropop; Folk rock; Kit Kats; more
From: Country Paul
4. Re: Whatever Happened to Happy / Chicago 67 & 68 / with a Z
From: Phil Milstein
5. Re: Classical pop - Della (not Dinah)
From: Dave Heasman
6. Re: The Incredible String band
From: Paul Bryant
7. Re: Phil's Spectre and the Origins of Folk Rock
From: Alan V. Karr
8. Manhattan Transfer / Beach Boys Live / Beatles and Big Ed
From: Alan Gordon
9. Doo Wop - Help required
From: Paul Bryant
10. Re: Bobby Darin sings Bonner & Gordon
From: Ken Silverwood
11. Shadow Morton & Vanilla Fudge
From: Mick Patrick
12. Re: Doo Wop - Help required
From: Dave Heasman
13. Re: Doo Wop - Help required
From: James Botticelli
14. Re: Poor CD
From: Clark Besch
15. Re: Doo Wop - Help required
From: Steve Harvey
16. Re: "Don't Give Up On Me"
From: Phil Milstein
17. Re: Fading Yellow vol 6 & 7 cd´s now out!
From: Orion
18. Kit Kats
From: Steve Harvey
19. John, Paul, Don and Buck
From: Steve Harvey
20. Re: Doo Wop - Help required
From: Harry Jay
21. Ritchie Adams
From: Stuffed Animal
22. Four Tops and Spector... / new addition to Musica
From: Martin Jensen
23. Re: Classical pop - Della (not Dinah)
From: Shawn Baldwin
24. Re: Doo Wop - Help required
From: Joe Peel
25. Re: John, Paul, Don and Buck
From: steveo
26. John Andrews, arranger
From: steveo
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:48:14 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: "Wings of Love"; Beverly Sisters; Chants; doo-wop; more
Never heard it before, Part 1: "Wings of Love," by Nino Tempo & April
Stevens, White Whale WW-248, 1962. WFMU's Monica Lynch played it today,
and it pinned my ears back! Sort of "Wimoweh" meets Phil Spector
recording the Mamas and Papas. Came home to discover I had it on a 45 -
but it didn't sound as full or rich as the version I heard on the air,
apparently from a Rev-ola CD. So, questions: (1) Is it indeed Rev-ola?
(2) Is the CD version a remix? (3) I already have the Varese CD; is
there much more on the Rev-ola that's missing from the Varese? Help,
please!
Never heard it before, Part 2: The UK members of this gang will be all
over me like a blanket, but today, for the first time, I heard a track
by The Beverly Sisters (again on WFMU, natch) called "For You," the old
standard. It sounded like the Paris Sisters with the background group
brought forward over a Mantovani accompaniment. I even thought, while
listening, it might have been Patience and Prudence grown up, but the
orchestra was too lush for the US teen market. Monica Lynch said there
was a UK album ("The Enchanting Beverly Sisters") but probably no CD
reissue. Everything about them is news to me. I invite you wonderful
teachers to teach me, please!
Martin Roberts:
> I'm extremely jealous to here that you have the Chants "Respectable"
> on Tru-Eko....You asked if the Chants on Verve are the same group.
> Yes they are. Apparently, "Respectable" was issued five times; twice
> on Tru-Eko 3567 & 3577, MGM 13008 (allegedly a reissue of the Tru-Eko
> release), all from '61, a re-recording on U.W.R. 4243 released '62
> and the final(?) one the U.W.R. recording but shortened by fading the
> end, credited to Jimmy Soul & The Chants, 20th Century 413 '63.
I remembered the MGM release when you mentioned it, but didn't know
about the rest of them - nor the personnel! thanks for the remarkable
update. (And here I thought this was just a little one-off.)
Martin again:
> Jerome Bros. production...The Cupids "Pretty Baby", an original Times
> Square Records release.
This was also new to me, Martin. It sure has that Slim Rose sound, even
if the Jeromes did it. Thanks for the track!
While on doowop, That Alan:
> "Whispering Bells" - Dell Vikings, "I Remember" by a group I CAN`T
> remember!
"Whispering Bells" was the Dot Records follow-up to "Come Go With Me."
The Del Vikings had cleaved in twain; another group, with two L's in
"Dell," did a track called "Cool Shake" on Mercury, which was very
different, and swung like crazy.
And as you discovered, Alan, "I Remember" is by the Five Discs,
released on three labels (Emge, Vik and Rust). It is one of the all-
time great New York sounds, and has one of the most beautiful falsettos
ever recorded, in my opinion. The lead singer has passed on, but The
Five Discs continue to perform, and can be heard around the New York
area. A follow-up a few years later, "Never Let You Go," on Cheer (1962
or '63), featured one of the best doo-wop bass parts you'll ever hear.
Clark:
> I don't know who many of the artists are, but I sure like the music.
> Examples: The Status Cymbal's 1968 45 "In the Morning" which I heard
> played on WKYC or WBZ back then.
Agreed, Clark - this is one of most gorgeous vocal harmony records I
know. Byron of that group works with Nick Archer of this group; he might
be able to give you some info.
Clark again:
> "Little Wheel Spin & Spin" by Chakra. If you ever heard this, you'd
> swear Heart's "Wilson sisters" played this song to death when it came
> out in 1970.
Is this the Buffy Sainte Marie song? It'd make sense for there to be a
pop version. Is it out on CD? If not, is there any room for it in
musica? (Hint, hint.)
Country Paul
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:25:37 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Tiny Tim
One needn't be a Tiny Tim fan to enjoy Ernie Clark's 1993 interview with
him, the most comprehensive I've ever seen or heard, covering many
phases of the great singer/historian's long career. The centerpiece is a
discussion of the origin of each song on his debut LP, "God Bless Tiny
Tim" (one of which, "Daddy, Daddy, What Is Heaven Like?," was by our own
Artie Wayne).
In typical fashion, though, Tiny used that basis as an opportunity to
roam far and wide over the musical horizon, touching on, besides his
beloved early 20th century American songs and singing stars: Richard
Perry; Nico; George Harrison; Peter Yarrow; The Band; Bob Dylan; Lenny
Bruce; Wavy Gravy; Linda Eastman/McCartney; his triumphant 1970
appearance at the Isle of Wight; Bing Crosby; and the vagaries of
success in the music industry.
The interview is at http://www.tinytim.org/interview.html. I highly
recommend it to anyone even mildly curious about any of the
aforementioned topics or, especially, Tiny Tim.
--Phil Milstein
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:47:36 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Phil's Spectre, Spectropop; Folk rock; Kit Kats; more
Monophonius:
> The track list for the Phil's Spectre CD is a knockout. Here's a
> list of twenty-five other tracks that could fill another CD. Many of
> these were big hits, too. Everyone of them exhibit some phase of the
> Spector approach.
Mono, I appreciate your well-written and thoughtful opinion. I don't know if
I'd totally agree with your "Spector in everything" analysis - you're either
"doing Spector" or your going against doing him - but it goes without saying
his influence is tremendous. I'd assumed, when I discovered and joined
Spectropop, that Spector and Wilson were the double yellow center line of
this group, the trunk from which the branches grow. But the Spector sounds
also include some of his influences. One example leaps to mind: thinking
about the sax break on "One Fine Day," which you proposed for "Spectre II,"
and the sax solo on "Da Doo Ron Ron" and others, think back to the baritone
sax solo on Charlie Rich's first hit, "Lonely Weekends" on Phillips
International, predating that by a couple of years. Spector gets credit for
the sound, but Rich (or Sam Phillips or arranger Bill Justis) "invented" it.
It would be interesting to trace back records containing elements of
Spector's various soundscapes - the full-yet-spare Teddy Bears texture, the
gentle lushness of The Spectors 3 and the Paris Sisters and of course the
famous Wall - and find out if he had actually heard and been influenced by
them. Meanwhile, I suggest starting "Spectre III" with Dave Edmunds' "Maybe"
and "Born To Be With You," Kook E. Jarr's "Pledging My Love," and The
Twilettes' "Where's My Baby." (Thanks, Phil, Mick, and David.)
Phil M.:
> "Everything prior to Bo Diddley was leading up to him; everything since
> Bo Diddley has been in response to him."
Or Chuck Berry, who could be credited with teaching the world how to play
rock guitar. (Compoare pre-Chuck and post-Chuck guitar work and see.) And
then there are his lyrics....
Albabe (as distinct from That Alan):
> One of the things I think this group "stands for," is the appreciation
> of, and "standing-up," for things an individual person may appreciate
> that aren't necessarily appreciated by others. (Does that make sense,
> or have I had too much coffee?)
Plenty of sense - it's part of why I'm here. I get turned on to amazing
stuff (i.e. the Twilettes above) I never would have known about or heard
without this group. Also, as I've noted previously, with so many
first-person participants and true students of the era on board, I can be
pretty sure that what I read here is most likely true. Sure, some errata
gets posted, but it also gets corrected pretty quickly. (I know from
experience!)
Albabe again:
> I felt I sorta needed to say how much I like the Manhattan Transfer.
Here's one of those groups. Our friend, Mike, is passionate about them; I
respect them, and like some of the really good stuff in their ouevre. And
their roots are in the right places, with broad-based interests. I've
probably mentioned the beautiful "I Remain Truly Yours" by the Criterions on
Cecilia, 1959 - that's Tim Hauser leading a delicious and well-written
doo-wop ballad; well worth checking out.
Bobster:
> ...[N]ow that I have the Tams' wonderful "Untie Me"...I realize that
> there was another Arlen label out of Philadelphia!
Nothing to add except a cheer for what I think is the best and most often
forgotten Tams hit (it was on an indie and their major hits were on a major
label, ABC). And add a similar shout-out for....
Phil M.:
> Van Dyke Parks's "Number 9," his delightful interpretation of Beethoven's
> Ninth Symphony.
...and one of two Parks 45's on MGM, the other being the original "Come To
The Sunshine."
Phil M. again:
> Speaking of which, are there many other examples of the bg-vox-only
> instrumental versions of things? "Youm"...comes to mind, but there
> must be others.
The flip of "I Still Love Him," by the Joys on Valiant, is one (the A side
is another track for "Spectre III").
Two other Capitol-family labels: subsidiary Prep, in the late '50's, had Ray
Stevens' first releases and Janice Harper's hyperdramatic "That's Why I Was
Born" among others; and Deltone, Dick Dale's label, which had Capitol
numbers for some of its 45's and, I believe, at least one album.
S. J. Dibai:
> I must admit, though, I'm not quite willing to commit myself to a position
> on what was the first folk-rock record!
>From the '50's: Lonnie Donegan's "Rock Island Line"? Jimmie Rodgers'
"Honeycomb" or some of the ballads like "Wonderful You"? Harry Belafonte's
"Banana Boat Song"? For that matter, Bobby Darin's gorgeous "Lost Love"
(flip of "Queen of the Hop," which actually got airplay in NYC)? The
Tarriers' "Cindy Oh Cindy" which preceded their version of "Banana Boat
Song"? Or the early 60's Nashville folk-country that crossed over to pop by
Bobby Bare, George Hamilton IV, etc.? The Springfields' "Silver Threads and
Golden Needles"? Of course the big breakouts were the Byrds' "Mr. Tambourine
Man" and Simon & Garfunkel's "Sounds of Silence." You're right - let's not
go there! Or let's....
Cousin Steve Harvey:
> Maybe Cousin Paul could play the CD I made of my Kit Kats radio show,
> from the mid-90s....
Steve, in the chaos of my life over the past few months, I hope I remembered
to thank you! The CD of your show is fascinating - I didn't realize the
group did so many remakes of their own material. Jamie Records has an
in-print collection of the Kit Kats out there; details at
http://www.jamguy.com/scripts/jamguycom/paper/Index.asp?ColumnID=147 . I
believe current Jamie head Frank Lipsius is (or was) an S'pop member. And
for those who are up for some fun and a crash course on some interesting
history of Philadelphia music, www.jamguy.com is worth some touring time.
(Not a commercial; just a recommendation.)
Country Paul
(off to get lost on a country road)
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:01:38 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Whatever Happened to Happy / Chicago 67 & 68 / with a Z
Bill George wrote:
> If anyone is interested, I can also post Jackie DeShannon's version
> of "Whatever Happened To Happy" to musica when space permits.
Bingo!
Clark Besch wrote:
> Hi, I think you are right on your story about 25 or 6 to 4. With
> all the talk of foriegn versions and comments on "Questions 67 & 68"
> and other great early Chicago songs, I thought I'd combine the 2 and
> play this rare Japanese version to Musica. It was certainly done in
> 1971 when the song hit high on the charts the second time around. I
> was blown away when I got this as a US Dj 45! Why would Columbia
> make an English/Japanese Dj 45? Was anyone in the US going to play
> the Japanese version??
One of those B-sides intended to force programmers to stick to playing
the A-side? I love how it's all in Japanese, until the very end when the
singer (Terry Kath? Robt. Lamm?) shouts out the mysterious title in
English. Perhaps the phrase was simply too screwy to translate.
> Many of you may also know the many songs the Buckinghams did that
> were written by our James Holvay and Gary Beisber. Still on the
> Chicago theme, Holvay's "Makin Up & Breakin Up" that was a
> Buckinghams B side (twice!), was also recorded by the Missing Links
> in 65 or so that included 3 future members of Chicago also!! There's
> one big connection to all this somewhere. (?)
If there was I imagine it was the Machiavellian manager/producer of The
Buckinghams and Chicago (as well as other bands, such as Illinois Speed
Press), James William Guercio. After adding The Beach Boys and Elton
John to his stable around the mid-'70s, Guercio had become such a force
in the music industry that he was even able to swing a deal to produce
and direct his own feature film (the Robt. Blake-starring disaster
Electra Glide In Blue), yet I haven't heard his name, at least in any
contemporary reference, in years. Anyone know whatever became of him?
Julio Niño wrote:
> Nowadays, Karina is a regular in the romance (or gossip) magazines
> because of her sentimental relationships with men who look much more
> femenine than her.
You mean she's the Spanish equivalent of Liza Minnelli?
--Phil M.
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:09:31 -0000
From: Dave Heasman
Subject: Re: Classical pop - Della (not Dinah)
That Alan Gordon:
> Bill George wanted to know who was the artist who had a big hit with
> Puccini's "Musetta`s waltz". It was "Don't You Know" by the wonderful
> Della Reese.
In the 50s & 60s there were a lot of US hits with tunes taken from
classics. Copyright was a bit different in the UK and before the records
were released here some extra clearance had to be got. This is why "It's
Now Or Never" came out in the UK way after it did in the US. Jackie
Wilson's "Night" was another that took ages to get released here. I
don't think the Della Reese record above ever did get released in the UK.
I certainly never heard it and I was an avid listener to the "right"
radio shows in 59-60.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:31:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Re: The Incredible String band
Art Longmire wrote:
> Speaking of Collector's Choice, another CD I got this week was the
> Incredible String Band's "5000 Layers/Hangman's Beautiful Daughter" -
> a bit of a gamble since I had never heard anything by them, just
> figured I would like them - I was right, they are one of the
> outstanding mystical 60s bands.
Speaking as the moderator of the Incredible String Band Yahoogroup,
I'd say you your next purchase should be Wee Tam and the Big Huge.
And always remember - amoebas are very small.
pb
ps - any other ISB fans out there? Come on and join -
isb@yahoogroups.com - noisy, excitable, argumentative, very friendly
etc etc - you're all very welcome.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:17:05 -0000
From: Alan V. Karr
Subject: Re: Phil's Spectre and the Origins of Folk Rock
Well, monophonius got me thinking, and after giving Phil's Spectre
about 100 consecutive spins (a la Brian Wilson) it reminded me of so
many more, mostly UK based superb Spector knockoffs, many by Andrew
Oldham and also many arranged by the talented Charles Blackwell and
Ivor Raymonde;
DO YOU WANNA DANCE-Beach Boys
SHANG A DOO LANG-Adrienne Posta/Poster
LOVE HIT ME-The Orchids
OO SHANG-A-LANG The Orchids
WILL YOU BE MY LOVER TONIGHT-George Bean
DA DOO RON RON-Andrew Oldham Orchestra (w/ Jagger!)
RIGHT OF WAY-ALO Orchestra
SOME OF YOUR LOVIN'-Dusty
FUNNY HOW LOVE CAN BE-Ivy League
Walker Bros other Righteous knockoffs like
THE SUN AINT GONNA SHINE ANYMORE,
Many of the DC5 records, produced/engineered by ex-Joe Meek assistant
Adrian Kerridge. Meek could be thought of as the British Phil Spector,
or vice versa but I dont think the similiarities were intentional.
Supposely, Spector rang up Meek once and Meek accused him of stealing
his sound!
WHAT A SWEET THING THAT WAS, SOLDIER BOY-The Shirelles
Although I think it lacks hooks at times,
NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON...etc by The Chiffons
Honorable mention to 80s Scots rockers Jesus & Mary Chain who tried to
meld Surf, Velvet Underground, Industrial, Syd Barrett-era Pink Floyd
and the Ronettes into a unique sound.
Apologies for any duplicate thoughts.
re: folk-rock, I just go by what Roger McGuinn wrote to me via E-
mail years ago (and I will always treasure his willingness to share
his opinion w/ me)-The Searchers' Needles and Pins started it all.
There is no electric 12-string on this 1963 recording! (amazingly,
the sound was the result of the lead (Mike Pender) Gibson 345 Stereo
and rhythm (John McNally) Hofner Club 60 guitars - when played in
unison they simulated the sound of an electric 12 string.
Regards,
Alan V. Karr
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:48:33 -0800
From: Alan Gordon
Subject: Manhattan Transfer / Beach Boys Live / Beatles and Big Ed
From: Mike Edwards. Subject: Manhattan Transfer.
> Alan, I loved your message but you didn't once comment on the song
> that was the inspiration for all this. I would appreciate hearing
> your thoughts on the song title. There's no problem with a guy
> sticking up for an artist he loves, I just wish someone would do the
> same for poor Carol "Doctors' Orders" Douglas.
Certainly no offense to you or your taste, Mike. My comment wasn't
meant to be about the song, in fact I didn't get a chance to hear it,
as I was gone last weekend, and when I came back it was no longer in
Musica.
My comment was concerning people's statements that say that something
is "the best" that someone has done. My experience from working in
publishing for 25 years has been that when someone says that a certain
song (for instance) is a performers best, it sometimes implies to
others (whether meaning to or not) that the rest of that particular
catalogue is superfluous at best. As some reviewers do it to imply
that they have actual knowledge or taste. I usually try not to use
terms like "best" myself, so I don't get into trouble... but that's
just me. With my experience in most of the "arts," I find I don't
usually think that anything is someone's "best." It's usually just one
of many separate experiences to me. For instance, I'd be hard-pressed
to have a fave Beatle album. That opinion seems to change with the
weather.
So when I responded, I was just a bit coffee'd-up and reminiscing how
much I liked the Transfer way back when.
Who's Carol Douglas?
I know these next two asides aren't specifically S'Pop material, but I
thought they were pretty neato:
For any Beach Boy fans. If you haven't checked out the DVD of the
"Beach Boys: Good Timin' at Knebworth England 1980" you're missing a
really great experience. It's brimming with nice recordings and
performances of some really fantastic songs and harmonies. One song by
Al Jardine called Lady Lynda has an amazing acapella break that gave me
chills. Dennis plays drums, and what he lacks in finesse, he more than
makes up for in strength. He really beats the crap outta those skins.
Carl, as usual, sings like a gutsy yet gossamer rock and roll angel.
Brian sings okay but looks pretty spaced-out. And Mike does his usual
snitty Bantam Rooster impersonation.
I'm curious if anyone in here might have watched (and listened to) the
new DVD: Ed Sullivan Presents the Beatles. It's the first four Ed
Sullivan programs with the Beatles, presented as whole shows. Great
stuff. The first three shows in February of '64 are the ultimate example
of Beatlemania. But what I wasn't prepared for was their September '65
program. They seemed more relaxed (except maybe Ring'o) a year later,
and, interestingly, the show is introduced by Ed as, "Before we start
tonight's Beatles show..." I guess this was a, sort-of, Beatles and
Their Friends Special. Great relaxed set. Cilla Black also does a couple
of nice toons. I've seen bits and pieces of the Beatles performances
from this '65 show over the years, but seeing it in it's entirety for the
first time since it was originally aired was quite fantastic.
I'm curious if anyone has any technical info on these shows: On the
first and third program, the Beatles' guitars are tuned down to Eb rather
than E. Either that, or the speed has been time-sinc'ed a half-tone
lower/slower. I'm wondering if the group tuned down so it would be just
slightly easier to hit the vocal notes - maybe making up for being a
little nervous on American Television for the first time... or was there
a technical mistake running the film at the wrong speed(?).
Any ideas?
peace,
~albabe
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:33:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Bryant
Subject: Doo Wop - Help required
Dear all
I'm a UK doo wop fan. How can I feed my habit without
bankrupting myself? There are so many compilations and
all of them overlap and after a while (like now) every
new compilation I see has lots of songs I already have
on it. Is there any solution to this?
Apologies if this is not the right forum to ask - I
know you don't usually discuss doo wop.
pb
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:47:05 -0000
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Re: Bobby Darin sings Bonner & Gordon
Martin Roberts:
> As for "Whatever Happened To Happy" - what a great song and the
> (Righteous) Brothers certainly do it justice. These two songs are
> sure to have brightened Peter (Richmond)'s day (and Bill Reed,
> assuming Nick de Caro arranged "Whatever Happened..."). My day
> will be brightened if the Bobby Darin version turns out to be
> arranged by Jack Nitzsche!...
Sorry to disappoint you Martin, the Bobby Darin/Bonner & Gordon tracks
were produced by Koppelman & Rubin, engineered by Stan Ross & Brooks
Arthur & (wait for it) arranged and conducted by, da da - Donald (Don)
Peake.
Ken On The West Coast
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:56:17 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Shadow Morton & Vanilla Fudge
Anyway, back to my quest for Shadow Morton information...
Does anyone have a copy of the Atco single "Season Of The Witch,
Parts 1 & 2" by Vanilla Fudge? If so, perhaps you could let me
know on which side of the record the Shadow Morton recitation
appears? Part 2, I presume? I'd also like to know exactly how
the 8:55 LP version is split into two, and where in the song Part
2 begins. The words Shadow recites are taken from the Shangri-Las'
song (Mercury) "I'll Never Learn". Is this fact mentioned on the
label? A label scan would be nice.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:29:22 -0000
From: Dave Heasman
Subject: Re: Doo Wop - Help required
Paul asked:
> I'm a UK doo wop fan. How can I feed my habit without bankrupting myself?
> There are so many compilations and all of them overlap and after a while
> (like now) every new compilation I see has lots of songs I already have
> on it. Is there any solution to this? Apologies if this is not the right
> forum to ask - I know you don't usually discuss doo wop.
Hi Paul,
Not really a doo-wop fan myself, but there's a huge amount of expertise
on the UK "Shakin' All Over" Yahoo group. Have you thought about joining a
public library?
regards
Dave H
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:19:20 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Doo Wop - Help required
Paul Bryant wrote:
> I'm a UK doo wop fan. How can I feed my habit without bankrupting myself?
Short answer? You can't..
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:25:20 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Poor CD
Mike Dugo wrote:
> Here's the track listing for Sound City's new "Help The Poor" CD.
> It's amazing how for years The Poor's music was generally
> unavailable, and now in a span of 6 weeks there are two CD
> collections by the group....
Mike, Thanks for the info. Indeed it is a great thing and a shame at
the same time. I will buy this Cd for the two extra tracks, but had
they contacted the right people, they could have gotten stereo versions
and unreleased tracks. Sometimes, it's hard to know who has what, I
know, but sometimes I wish labels would ask around about such
possiblities than just going to the vaults and assuming it's all
there.
Thanks again, Clark
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:30:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Doo Wop - Help required
Paul asked:
> I'm a UK doo wop fan. How can I feed my habit without bankrupting
> myself? There are so many compilations and all of them overlap and
> after a while (like now) every new compilation I see has lots of
> songs I already have on it. Is there any solution to this? Apologies
> if this is not the right forum to ask - I know you don't usually
> discuss doo wop.
Compilations are often flawed due to copyright restrictions and sheer
laziness. I got the Rhino Doo Wop boxsets, 03 of them, and yet "Rainy
Day Bells" still managed to elude me.
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:48:44 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: "Don't Give Up On Me"
Andrew Jones wrote:
> Pardon my iggerance, but is this song "Don't Give Up On Me" also the
> title song on soul man Solomon Burke's recent album?
Burke's song of that title is a Dan Penn composition.
--Phil M.
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:26:22 -0600
From: Orion
Subject: Re: Fading Yellow vol 6 & 7 cd´s now out!
Dang I just now put together the money to buy the first 5. ACK!!
However, thanks so much for the information, back to scrimping and
saving again. Anyone have any extra aluminum cans? LOL
Orion
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:52:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Kit Kats
Country Paul,
Yes, you did thank me. I've been too busy grading papers to reply, sorry.
However, Mighty Mark Frumento says there is not enough room on musica for
a whole show. Maybe you could put on the Tik Taks doing the instrumental
version of "Let's Get Lost" on Guyden (Jamie Guyden liked to see his name
on the label) and the tune "That You Love" on Paramount since neither are
on the double CD on Jamie.
Kit Stewart was a beautiful dreamer who never made the big time. He always
seemed to be working some new angle or at some new business when I'd run
into him. I remember the first time I interview him he was running a
produce store. He was so tired that he actually fell asleep midquestion.
The last time I talked with Kit was right after the Jamie Cd had come out.
He had moved to my old state of Delaware where he was producing a cable tv
for senior citizens. He invited me to his birthday party, but it never
happened. I only found out about his death cruising the web. Even in
Philly there was nothing about his passing. He deserved better.
Cousin Steve Harvey: Maybe Cousin Paul could play the CD I made of my Kit
Kats radio show, from the mid-90s....
I believe current Jamie head Frank Lipsius is (or was) an S'pop member. And
for those who are up for some fun and a crash course on some interesting
history of Philadelphia music, http://www.jamguy.com is worth some touring
time. (Not a commercial; just a recommendation.)
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:00:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: John, Paul, Don and Buck
Albabe;
> I'm curious if anyone has any technical info on these shows: On the
> first and third program, the Beatles' guitars are tuned down to Eb
> rather than E. Either that, or the speed has been time-sinc'ed a half-
> tone lower/slower. I'm wondering if the group tuned down so it would be
> just slightly easier to hit the vocal notes - maybe making up for being
> little nervous on American Television for the first time... or was
> there a technical mistake running the film at the wrong speed(?).
Tuning down a halfstep in order to hit the high notes was a popular trick
among singers. Labelmates, Buck Owens and Don Rich, use to drop their
Teles all the time.
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:10:07 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time)
From: Harry Jay
Subject: Re: Doo Wop - Help required
Paul Bryant wrote:
> I'm a UK doo wop fan. How can I feed my habit without bankrupting myself?
Hi Paul, I'm a '50s & '60s Doo-Wop singer, with several groups, & still buy
some of my friends music, & found that the only way to save money is to go
to Amazon.com, & Half.com. I've had great deals from them. Most of the time
the CDs are brand new. Good luck.
Harry Jay
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:30:41 +0000
From: Stuffed Animal
Subject: Ritchie Adams
Does anybody know if Ritchie Adams is still alive? And if so, how one might
go about contacting him?
Don "Stuffed Animal" Charles
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:32:56 -0000
From: Martin Jensen
Subject: Four Tops and Spector... / new addition to Musica
Hi
When listening to some Four Tops albums today, I began to fantasise
about how great a collaboration between the group and Spector could
have been. I don't know if I'm the only one who does this, but if I
happen to listen to a particular suitable song or singer, I often
think 'this could have sounded great with a Wall of Sound backing'.
You know, picturing which touches Spector might have added, had he
worked on the song or recorded the singer. Concerning the Four Tops,
I feel that Levi Stubbs' incredibly expressive vocals really could
have fit the Wall of Sound very well, similar to the way Tina
Turner's did. Even though I love 'Reach Out, I'll Be There' – perhaps
the group's most Spectorish production – I wonder what monster this
great song could have evolved into in the hands of the master. In
fact, I seem to remember reading somewhere that Spector was somewhat
impressed by the abovementioned song. Is this correct, or has it just
been conjured up in my twisted mind after listening to too much Four
Tops and daydreaming about what could have been? :-)
On another note, I have uploaded a Danish single from the seventies,
which might interest you guys. I think it has a slightly Spectorish
touch – it's feel reminds me a bit of 'My Sweet Lord'. Everyone in
Denmark knows and loves this song. Some years ago when the country's
biggest newspaper carried out a national survey in order to find out,
which books, movies, songs etc were the most popular, this song was
voted the best Danish song ever by the readers. I hope you'll enjoy
it despite it being sung in Danish…
Finally, I would just like to say how glad I am for finding this cool
place on the web. All this knowledge of and passion for good music! I
learn something new everyday checking out the site...
With regards
Martin, Denmark
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:23:43 -0600
From: Shawn Baldwin
Subject: Re: Classical pop - Della (not Dinah)
That Alan Gordon:
> Bill George wanted to know who was the artist who had a big hit with
> Puccini's "Musetta`s waltz". It was "Don't You Know" by the wonderful
> Della Reese.
Della has a fabulous cataloge of Music I have serveral of her greatest
hits packages and love everything on them just about! Shawn
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:20:36 EST
From: Joe Peel
Subject: Re: Doo Wop - Help required
Paul Bryant wrote:
> I'm a UK doo wop fan. How can I feed my habit without bankrupting myself?
Hi PB....please send a want list to: Dinosaur Vinyl, 1054 Avenue C,
Bayonne, NJ, 07002....very reasonale prices. Thanks, Joe Peel
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:59:25 -0800 (PST)
From: steveo
Subject: Re: John, Paul, Don and Buck
Steve Harvey:
> Tuning down a halfstep in order to hit the high notes was a popular
> trick among singers. Labelmates, Buck Owens and Don Rich, use to
> drop their Teles all the time.
steve...do you have perfect pitch?...or how are you noticing this
tuning down a 1/2 step?
steveo
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Message: 26
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:07:20 -0800 (PST)
From: steveo
Subject: John Andrews, arranger
anyone out there have any info on 1960's pop arranger john andrews?
any help would be great!
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