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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Questions 67, 68 AND Japanese--Posted to Musica!
From: Clark Besch
2. Re: Classical pop
From: Bill George
3. Dolenz returns..............in Aida !
From: Country Paul
4. Re: Oma "D"
From: David Gordon
5. Hello / Cyrkle commercial
From: Michael Lynch
6. Re: Dobie Gray
From: Joe Peel
7. Priscilla Paris
From: Bill Reed
8. Fading Yellow vol 6 & 7 cdīs now out!
From: JJ
9. Re: Celebrity pottymouths / Lovers' Concerto
From: Phil Milstein
10. What Ever Happened To Happy Mojo Men
From: Marty
11. Re: "Don't Give Up On Me"
From: That Alan Gordon
12. Bobby Hatfield
From: Mary
13. Christmas Gift boxes
From: Paul Woods
14. Re: When You Walk in the Room
From: Bill George
15. Re: Whatever Happened to Happy
From: Bill George
16. Re: The Association - Collectors Choice Reissues
From: S.J. Dibai
17. Re: The Reflections and Barry Darvell
From: Martin Roberts
18. Checker & Diamonds; Jakes Holmes; Sandy Posey; Lesley gay; to Artie Wayne
From: Country Paul
19. Re: Questions 67, 68 AND Japanese--Posted to Musica!
From: Tom Taber
20. Re: Classical pop - Della (not Dinah)
From: That Alan Gordon
21. Re: The Association - Collectors Choice Reissues
From: Art Longmire
22. Celebs At Their Worst CDs
From: Phil Milstein
23. Poor CD
From: Mike Dugo
24. Karina in musica
From: Julio Niņo
25. Re: Top Notes "Twist and Shout"
From: Alfie Noakes
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:46:58 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Questions 67, 68 AND Japanese--Posted to Musica!
Dan Hughes wrote:
> ..."25 or 6 to 4" . . . "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It
> Is?". Anybody know?
Albabe:
> I don't think those two songs were related, but... I remember
> Robert Lamm saying something in an interview somewhere, about
> him asking someone what time it was while he was writing the
> tune, and that "25 or 6 to 4" was the response he heard... and
> he figured it would make a good title for a song. The memory
> is pretty dim though. And while we're at it... what about
> questions 1 through 66?
Hi, I think you are right on your story about 25 or 6 to 4. With
all the talk of foriegn versions and comments on "Questions 67 & 68"
and other great early Chicago songs, I thought I'd combine the 2 and
play this rare Japanese version to Musica. It was certainly done in
1971 when the song hit high on the charts the second time around. I
was blown away when I got this as a US Dj 45! Why would Columbia
make an English/Japanese Dj 45? Was anyone in the US going to play
the Japanese version??
On other early Chicago related things, their horn section is credited
on the Mauds' 1968 "Forever Gone" Mercury 45 and they played on their
"Soul Drippin'" hit later on. The latter can be heard for the first
time on Cd from Bob Stroud's new "Rock 'n Roll Roots, Vol. 5". Check
his radio site http://www.WDRV.com for details. Also, the Robbs'
first Cd appearance with "Race With the Wind" is included.
Many of you may also know the many songs the Buckinghams did that
were written by our James Holvay and Gary Beisber. Still on the
Chicago theme, Holvay's "Makin Up & Breakin Up" that was a
Buckinghams B side (twice!), was also recorded by the Missing Links
in 65 or so that included 3 future members of Chicago also!! There's
one big connection to all this somewhere. (?)
Anyway, Take care and enjoy! Clark
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:38:14 EST
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: Classical pop
Phil Chapman:
> Can any of you compilation buffs tell me if there's one comprising
> pop hits lifted from classical themes?
In a trivia game I have, it lists Dinah Washington as having recorded
a song based on Puccini's Quando Men Vo (Musetta's Waltz). I have
everything she recorded, I believe, and I don't hear it anywhere. Does
anyone know what this song is, and who in fact recorded it?
- Bill
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:36:01 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Dolenz returns..............in Aida !
I haven't even begun to try to catch up (my usual story), but this
caught my eye today (don't know if it's been mentioned yet);
>From the Associated Press:
"Micky Dolenz, who played drums in the 1960s television pop group,
joins the long-running Disney musical Jan. 6 as Zoser, the villainous
father of the show's young hero. The 58-year-old Dolenz has played
the role in the musical's national tour.
"'Aida' undergoes a major cast change next Tuesday when Michelle
Williams of Destiny's Child takes over the title role from Toni
Braxton. Williams will star in the musical through Jan. 25...."
More to come....
Country Paul
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:19:05 -0000
From: David Gordon
Subject: Re: Oma "D"
Peter Richmond wrote:
> Yes, Jimmy Walker did play the drums on the sessions for the album
> "Rebirth" at the Annex Studios, Hollywood, recorded between the 25th
> and 29th August 1969. The girl backing singers were Edna Wright,
> Carolyn Willis and Oma "D".
Oma "D" = session singer Oma Drake aka Oma Heard.
Davie Gordon
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:20:50 -0000
From: Michael Lynch
Subject: Hello / Cyrkle commercial
Hello Pop People.
My name is Michael. I'm from New York. I just joined this list today,
though I've been meaning to for a long time. It's always cool meeting
people into the music I'm into.
My pop credentials...Well, for starters, I just plain like to listen
to it. :> But I also write (freelance) for various publications...
Fufkin, Goldmine (though not since 1997), Ugly Things, and I also
assisted with the liner notes of a few Rhino CDs...The Monkees' and
Associations' volumes of the 'Essential' series, and The Association
Anthology, 'Just The Right Sound' (which I named, says Dawn Eden.
Apparently, I uttered that title to her facetiously once, without
fanfare, and it was picked up and used).
(Speaking of Dawn Eden, she and I and our friend Kittybeat also
deejay once a month in NYC, playing lots of the very music discussed
here (we call it POP GEAR!).)
Looking over past posts, some of you I know from other boards and
from trades. Hello to you all.
For my first contribution to the board, I noticed that The Cyrkle's 7-
UP commerical was being discussed. Well, at least at one time, the
link I'm putting below allowed you to see the television commercial
of that spot. You don't see The Cyrkle...you really don't see
anybody...but kinda cool to see nonetheless. Now, the PC I'm using at
this moment can't play things like that, so unfortunately, I cannot
check ahead to see if this link is still working. If it is not, I
apologize. But if it does work, hope you enjoy it.
Thanks, and looking forward to joining the chats.
-Michael Lynch
http://tvparty.com/g2c/7up.ram
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:36:09 EST
From: Joe Peel
Subject: Re: Dobie Gray
Stuffed Animal;
> Another wonderful album with Spectorish production is Dobie Gray's
> 1965 FOR IN-CROWDERS THAT GO GO. Fred Darian (who's he?) produced.
> I recall in particular two excellent tracks: The Mexican-
> flavored "Blue Ribbons" by Jackie DeShannon, and "Walk With Love," a
> vaguely homoerotic number. Spectropoppers will certainly be familiar
> with the singles from this album, "The In Crowd" and "See You At The
> Go-Go" . . . both records are definitely Wall of Sound cops, besides
> being irresistibly danceable. Good luck locating a stereo copy of
> this album!
WHOH>>>>>!!!The LP is just GGGGRREEAAT.."The In Crowd"....J.Peel
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:24:32 -0000
From: Bill Reed
Subject: Priscilla Paris
Does anyone happen to know who currently holds the rights to the
Priscilla Paris recordings on Happy Tiger?
Thanks in advance.
Bill Reed
http://www.cllrdr.com
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:20:15 -0000
From: JJ
Subject: Fading Yellow vol 6 & 7 cdīs now out!
FADING YELLOW VOLUME 6
Another Rich Smorgasbord of Timeless US (and a few Canadians) Pop-sike
and other delights, 1966-1970, 45s-Flower Machine Records FMRCD1006
Tracklisting:
1.THE FIVE SHY - Try to be happy
2.THE UNFORSCENE - These are the words
3.LYNN CASTLE w/LAST FRIDAYīs FIRE - Rose Colored Corner
4.THE SMOKE RING - Waitinī for love to come my way
5.HANK SHIFTER - Saturday noontime
6.TYME & A HALF - Magic Island
7.THE SCENE - Scenes(from another world)
8.FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY - Canīt go home
9.BOB DILEO - Band in Boston
10.FARGO - Sunny day blue
11.MID DAY RAIN - Friday mourning
12.GEOFFREY STEVENS - Grape Jelly Love
13.MARK RADICE - Three cheers(for the Sad man)
14.NEW YORKERS - Land of Ur
15.THE WHETHER BUREAU - Why canīt you and i
16.CHOCOLATE TUNNEL - The highly successful young Rupert White
17.THE CARNIVAL - Four Seasons
18.BILL SODEN - My mermaid and me
19.SUNSHINE TROLLEY -Cover me babe
20.THE DON MEEHAN PROJECT - My silent symphony
21.CLICK - Girl with a mind
22.BILLY ELDER - Donīt take the night away
23.RAINY DAZE - Fe Fi Fo Fum
24.STEPHEN HARTLEY - Have you seen her
25.STEPHEN HARTLEY - The other side
FADING YELLOW VOLUME 7 - US 1967-72 album trax, of Mesmerizing/Magic
pop-sike and other delights Flower Machine Records FMRCD1007
Tracklisting:
1.THE EIGHTH DAY - Building with a steeple
2.JOHN RANDOLPH MARR - Raggedy Ann
3.BRIAN HYLAND - On the east-side
4.GORDIAN KNOT - Carraway stream
5.FARGO - Talks we used to have
6.FEDERAL DUCK - Peace in my mind
7.GLITTERHOUSE - Tinkerbellīs mind
8.THE PEPPERMINT TROLLEY CO. - Patīs song
9..3īs A CROWD - I donīt wanna drive you away
10.LEE MICHAELS - My friends
11.RICHARD TWICE - If i knew you were the one
12.ALZO - Youīre gone
13.CHERRY PEOPLE - Imagination
14.COWSILLS - Mystery of life
15.SUMMERHILL - Friday morningīs paper
16.BOB RAY - (Girl with the)Cameo Ring
17.THE NEW WAVE - Little dreams
18.PHILAMORE LINCOLN - The North wind blew south
19.NATIONAL GALLERY-Diana in the autumn wind
20.CONDELLO - The other side of you
21.THE SMOKE - Gold is the colour of thoughts
22.THE GORDIAN KNOT - The year of the sun
23.ELLIE POP - Oh my friend
24.BERT SOMMER - And when itīs over
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:05:42 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Celebrity pottymouths / Lovers' Concerto
yours truly:
> All these moments, and dozens more like them (incl. an F-word from
> Barbra Streisand), are included on Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist
> Gangster Computer God's 3-CD series "Celebrities At Their Worst."
> The CDs list an address of PO Box 420464, SF CA 94142 USA.
Clark Besch wrote:
> Phil, Many thanks for this. I am going to order this. I've heard
> some of these and they are great, but have few in my collection.
I believe all three volumes in the series are double-CDs. However, I
should've mentioned in my initial post that you should write ahead, to
inquire about availability, and even to make sure they're still at that
address. Meanwhile, I'll see if I can't rustle up an EMA for the company.
Paul Bryant brought us the lyric to:
> Lovers' Concerto
Thanks for that transcription, Paul. Thematically it strikes me as a bit
short of a full load -- a nice enough song of devotion, I suppose, but
for all those words it doesn't really go anywhere. But structurally, it
is quite unique and interesting. The first verse repeats twice, then
nothing else repeats for the rest of the song. And, of course, it is all
verses, with nary a bridge or refrain, not to mention singalongable
hook. Of course none of this is meant as a criticism -- the record
undeniably WORKS, and what more than that can one ask of a piece of music?
Does anyone know if the title "Lovers' Concerto" is connected at all to
the original tune, or if it was constructed anew for The Toys' song?
--Phil M.
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:40:54 -0000
From: Marty
Subject: What Ever Happened To Happy Mojo Men
Previously:
> "Whatever Happened To Happy" by any artist so it was a wonderful
> surprise to hear it by the Righteous Brothers. 'That' Alan Gordon
> did say that he thought that "Whatever Happened To Happy" was
> over-produced...
Bill Reed:
> ...I talked to Joe about these when I wrote my article about arranger
> Nick DeCaro for the Japanese publication "Record Collectors" a few
> years ago....
Speaking of Happy Happening: It happened for "The Mojo Men" in 1967
on Reprise #0617 - WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO HAPPY/MAKE YOU AT HOME...and
the arranger was...Nick De Caro! (Producer: Lenny Waronker)
Regards, Marty
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:48:39 -0700 (MST)
From: That Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: "Don't Give Up On Me"
Andrew Jones wanted to know if the "Don't Give Up On Me" recorded by
Solomon Burke is the same song as the Righteous Brothers one. To the
best of my knowledge they are two different songs.
Best, That alan
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:53:42 -0000
From: Mary
Subject: Bobby Hatfield
I have always loved Bill Medley and Bobby Hatfield. Saw them with
the Beatles in '64. Thanks to Bob Eubanks. I am sure Bobby and Dusty
will make GREAT music together...
Mary
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:54:03 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: Paul Woods
Subject: Christmas Gift boxes
One of the delights of buying "A Christmas Gift For You" when it first
came out was the "gift box" cover - seeing all my favourite Spector
artistes together, and in colour! (Until then most English fans had
been restricted to black-and-white promo pics of the Crystals, Ronettes
and so on - most record mags being stock b&w at that time.)
Was it a genuine photoshoot, with all the artistes assembled together
at the same time? Or was it a photographic mock-up? I don't recall
seeing any outtakes from the photo session. Do any exist?
Paul Woods
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:15:01 EST
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: When You Walk in the Room
> When You Walk In The Room has been covered lots hasn't it? Searchers,
> Del Shannon, Billy J Kramer, Paul Carrack......etc
Yes, it certainly has been recorded by lots of artists, and even more
artists play it live! The Jackie DeShannon Appreciation Society has
compiled 27 versions of the song on a CD. You can check the website for
a track listing: http://jackiedeshannon.tripod.com
- Bill
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:29:08 EST
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: Whatever Happened to Happy
If anyone is interested, I can also post Jackie DeShannon's version
of "Whatever Happened To Happy" to musica when space permits.
- Bill
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:16:14 -0000
From: S.J. Dibai
Subject: Re: The Association - Collectors Choice Reissues
Art:
> I made a trip to my local Virgin Records Store and was surprised
> to see that Collector's Choice had reissued several of the
> Association's original LPs on CD.
That's fantastic news! I think that a lot of the Association's best
material was buried on their LPs. Their greatest hits were certainly
commercial and well-produced, but the material was sometimes flimsy.
The anthology that Rhino put out last year did include some of their
better album cuts, but at the same time I think that much of what
was included there was dispensable compared to tracks like "I'm The
One," "Sometime," and "Dubuque Blues"--all of which were excluded.
I'm glad to have a chance to get at least some of these tracks on CD
for a reasonable price. Anyone who hasn't gone beyond their greatest
hits or even the Rhino anthology should check out the Real Audio files
at: http://www.theassociation.net (The Association Admiration
Aggregation's website) to see just what I mean.
S.J. Dibai
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:50:49 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: The Reflections and Barry Darvell
I've had a few mails about the availability of the two CDs I 'reviewed'
recently. They are both for sale on the Bear Family web site,
unfortunately I could only find them by looking on the German language
part of the site! A full track list is given along with label # etc, so
armed with this info it should not prove too difficult to order either
CD from the English site, or from your friendly local record importer.
Check-out the Reflections CD here:
http://www.bear-family.de/mailorder/showoneproduct.html?lang=&p=CD+GW+300
and the Barry Darvell CD from this link:
http://www.bear-family.de/mailorder/showoneproduct.html?lang=&p=CD+SP+99017%2F8
This is listed as out of stock but they have informed me that they will
have stock very soon.
Martin
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:03:20 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Checker & Diamonds; Jakes Holmes; Sandy Posey; Lesley gay; to Artie Wayne
How far behind am I? Well, closing out October...
David Coyle, re: Chubby Checker's "Twist," if you haven't heard it, find the
original by Hank Ballard & The Midnighters from 1958. Checker's (backed by
the Dreamlovers of "When We Get Married" fame) is a remarkable note-for-note
copy, and his beat is a bit more martial than the slightly more rolling
Ballard version. My nod goes to the original. As for the Diamonds, check
their originals, i.e. "She Say" - even if it was a bit of a put-on, they
were really rocking too. Annd I believe "The Stroll" was an original for
them, too.
Probably the last blast on Jake Holmes: I dug out the LP "The Above-Ground
Sound of Jake Holmes" and polayed "Dazed and Confused." It's a good song
with a great hook, interesting but not a smash in this form, in my opinion.
Led Zep seriously "repurposed" it (to use contemporary circumlocution) but
Holmes certainly wrote it. However, Holmes on the cover is short-haired and
clean-cut; no wonder Zep distanced themselves from him. :-)
Re: supposed originals: Can anyone play The Top Notes "Twist and Shout" or
the Summits "Hanky Panky" to musica, please? You've got this collector
curious! Thanks for the research, FredPoet.
Patrick Rands' excellent review of the Sandy Posey CD deserves commendation.
Jim Allio commented:
> "Single Girl," while a sizeable hit, did not solidify the buzz Posey
> enjoyed with the first hit because the image of the sleeping around
> secretary just waiting for her looks to go was veiled sleazy and
> didn't really connect with the primarily teenage females who bought
> the first record.
I was working in country radio at that time, Jim; "Born A Woman" crossed
over from c&w, and Posey was marketed as a country artist. To the working
class young women of the era, frustrated by seeing their better-educated
sisters make the first feminist breakthrough, I believe Posey did reflect
the reality of a lot of them. However, not being born a woman myself - just
playing records for them - I could be wrong.
More sociology, this time from Stuffed Animal:
> So Lesley Gore, the Teen Queen of '60s Girlpop grew up to be a gay
> woman. What effect will this revelation have on her longtime fans? Will
> they turn against her? Will her classic albums and singles become more
> or less collectible now? Thoughts, anyone?
Ideally, why should it matter? It certainly doesn't to me. I wish her only
happiness.
Add to Al Q's Capitol list: Uptown, their soul subsid. (Bet someone
mentioned this already...)
Closing this note, Artie Wayne, my heart was breaking when I read your note
to James Holvay. Hang in there, friend - you're one brave man. As John
Sebastian wrote (must've been about you), The magics in the music and the
musics in me.So keep moving those fingers - I'll come hear you play, just
say where and when!
And here's where it gets left for tonight...
Country Paul
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:32:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: Questions 67, 68 AND Japanese--Posted to Musica!
Clark Besch wrote:
> ...I was blown away when I got this as a US Dj 45! Why would Columbia
> make an English/Japanese Dj 45? Was anyone in the US going to play the
> Japanese version??
With all the recent discussions of foreign language versions by "the
original artists," I got to thinking how cool it would be if we could
have 15 - 20 of these of big hits on cdrs, and those of us with an
interest in getting "oldies" stations to think outside the box (tops'
'The Letter' and other overplayed songs) could offer copies to such
stations to play on April Fools' Day next year...
I'd sure like to pass something like this on to KB in Buffalo. I
remember how cool the Chubby Checker song in German was that I once had
on an LP. If anyone could help me with this, feel free to contact me
off list.
Tom Taber
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:49:11 -0700 (MST)
From: That Alan Gordon
Subject: Re: Classical pop - Della (not Dinah)
Bill George wanted to know who was the artist who had a big hit with
Puccini's "Musetta`s waltz". It was "Don't You Know" by the wonderful
Della Reese.
Best, That alan
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:08:30 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Re: The Association - Collectors Choice Reissues
Apparently Collector's Choice is releasing all the Association's LPs
- as you say, that is great news for followers of this frequently
outstanding group. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I almost picked
up the Rhino anthology but in the end couldn't go for it because too
many key tracks were omitted - another one that comes to mind is "The
Nest" - great tune!
I've been listening to "Birthday" by them and it's terrific to finally
have a good version on CD - although I would have liked a few bonus
tracks, like maybe a mono version of "Everything That Touches You",
which the Japanese import included. But at last I finally have Jim
Yester's "Rose Petals, Incense and a Kitten" on CD!
Speaking of Collector's Choice, another CD I got this week was the
Incredible String Band's "5000 Layers/Hangman's Beautiful Daughter" -
a bit of a gamble since I had never heard anything by them, just
figured I would like them - I was right, they are one of the
outstanding mystical 60s bands.
Art
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:17:51 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Celebs At Their Worst CDs
The aforementioned "Celebrities At Their Worst" CD series can be
purchased through Forced Exposure, at:
http://www.forcedexposure.com/labels/mad.deadly.worldwide.html
They are a fairly reliable mail order distributor, located outside
Boston.
--Phil M.
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:12:57 -0000
From: Mike Dugo
Subject: Poor CD
Here's the track listing for Sound City's new "Help The Poor" CD.
It's amazing how for years The Poor's music was generally
unavailable, and now in a span of 6 weeks there are two CD
collections by the group.
Unfortunately, aside from the two reported live Esquires tracks,
there are no differences between this and the Rev-Ola release. For
completisits like me, however, I'll pick it up nonetheless. It would
have been nice to have some the band's session work collected on one
of the CDs, too.
1. Can't Stand To Be In Love With You
2. Look At Me
3. Hung Up On Losin'
4. Snow Man
5. Once Again
6. How Many Tears
7. She's Got The Time (She's Got The Changes)
8. Love Is Real
9. My Mind Goes High
10. Knowing You, Loving You
11. Feelin' Down
12. Come Back Baby
13. Study In Motion #1
14. Prophet
15. That's Why I'm Blue
Mike Dugo
http://www.60sgaragebands.com
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:31:02 -0000
From: Julio Niņo
Subject: Karina in musica
Hi Everyone,
Iīve played in musica Karinaīs "No está bien" (Hispavox EP HH17-290/
1964), a version of Lesley Gore's "She's a fool". She was one of the
proto-typical Spanish ye ye girls. The same year she recorded another
charming version of a song by Barkan/Raleigh, " Hago malen quererte"
(" Fool's Errand"). Nowadays, Karina is a regular in the romance (or
gossip) magazines because of her sentimental relationships with men
who look much more femenine than her. I hope you enjoy the song!
Julio Niņo
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:57:27 -0000
From: Alfie Noakes
Subject: Re: Top Notes "Twist and Shout"
I have a copy of The Top Notes original of "Twist and Shout"
on the (German) Atlantic CD compilation of the same name. The
album might be of interest to fellow Spectropoppers, comprising
as it does, twelve early Spector productions by The Top Notes,
Billy Storm, LaVern Baker, Ruth Brown and Jean Du Shon.
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