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There are 18 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 431:

      1. Gems 2 : Digest Numbers 429 and 430
           From: "Ian Slater" 
      2. Re: Walker Bros.
           From: Paul Underwood 
      3. Toomorrow/Alice In Wonderland
           From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
      4. Re: Walker Bros.
           From: Richard Hattersley 
      5. WB Samplers (Loss Leaders)/Randy Newman
           From: "Don Richardson" 
      6. Re: Abba/Luv'
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
      7. Randy Newman Gems
           From: Mike Carter 
      8. JACK SCOTT
           From: Stone Jones 
      9. Re: Let's Dance/Abba
           From: Will George 
     10. Ripples/John Summers
           From: "Kingsley Abbott" 
     11. Re: The Ashes, Beefheart...
           From: Stephane Rebeschini 
     12. Alice In Wonderland
           From: Mark Wirtz 
     13. Rydell on Capitol
           From: "Paul Payton" 
     14. Re: Huey Lewis/Ice Cream Man
           From: Stephane Rebeschini 
     15. Re: JACK SCOTT
           From: James Botticelli 
     16. Clover/Family Tree, Miss Butters
           From: Mark Frumento 
     17. Re: Abba/Luv'
           From: Vincent Degiorgio 
     18. Re: Status Cymbal info
           From: Nick Archer 


Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 10:07:05 +0100
   From: "Ian Slater" 
Subject: Gems 2 : Digest Numbers 429 and 430

In reply to Digest no. 430 - Message 12

> Does anyone have a tracklisting for the two volumes of
> Gems handy? Please let me know - thanks! Patrick

and Digest no 430 - Message: 20

> Track info for one of them:...

-----------My reply--------------

The track listing on the second volume of "Gems" is
listed below. Confusingly this record is also merely
called "Gems", with no credits or other details on it. It
has an identical  monochrome cover on both sides, it is
split into 6 rectangles, 03 of them containing the title
and track listings and the other 3 contain pictures of a
boy and girl sitting in a car. It too is good, many
rarities, its main characteristic is that a lot of the
groups sound very young - maybe a studio trick  like some
of Robin Ward's records? I've marked my own favourites
with *s -girl group classics in my humble opinion.

Twinkle - Aint Nobody Home but Me
Marie Ann - High Heel Shoies
Linda & the Del Rios - Come On Let Me Try
Juliettes - Forever Loving You*
Reasons - Silly Boy
Tammys - Part of Growing Up
Trinkets - Fisherman*
HollyWood Jills - He Makes Me So Mad
Yolanda & the Charmaines - There Ought to be a Law
Kittens - Don't Let It Happen Again*
Valentine & Sweethearts - Lipstick & High Heel Shoes
Petites - Is 13 too Young to Fall in Love
Parlettes - Because - We're Very Young
Emeralds - Wanna Make Him Mine*
West Winds - You're Looking at my Guy*
Shona & Party Lights - Miracle Maker
Ginger & Chiffons - Where Were You Last Night
Baby Jane & the Rock-a-byes - Half Deserted Street*
Trilons - I'm the One
The Significant Other - What is the reason?

Ian Slater

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Message: 2
   Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:33:07 +0200
   From: Paul Underwood 
Subject: Re: Walker Bros.

Frank Youngwerth wrote:
> I'm pretty sure "I Don't Want to Hear It Anymore" exists
> in two Walker versions, one that I've encountered on some
> of the group's compilations, and another (much better) on
> a Smash 45 (my copy is a pink-label promo) credited to
> Scott Walker (sans "siblings"). Fantastic drumming and
> atmospheric production on the latter.
This is very intriguing. The Walker Brothers version I
know is a sung by Scott Walker on his own and was recorded
in the UK for the first Walkers' album. What are the
details of your 45 (number, B-side, producer etc). I
thought I was familiar with all the Walker Brothers stuff
and have never heard of an alternate version. Any chance
of you playing the record to musica?


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Message: 3
   Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 07:24:58 -0800
   From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
Subject: Toomorrow/Alice In Wonderland

> Yes, I'd love to hear it. I wish I could play to Musica.
> I'd put Olivia's first recording; Jackie DeShannon's
> "Til You Say You'll Be Mine." What year was that Peter?
> Bill

Bill, I'll play at least the A-side of the Toomorrow 45
"Goin' Back" to musica when some space clears (within the
next couple of days).

And here's a handful of obscure songs inspired by "Alice In

1. Alice (Johnny Cole) - Gil & Johnny, World Pacific 77868:
1966, Produced and by Cogar Production, Arranged by George
Tipton & Perry Botkin, Jr. Los Angeles record which is
stylistically a combination of Lovin' Spoonful jugband and
vaudeville - good record, but doesn't hold a candle to the
next two.:-)  These guys also recorded a "Shortenin' Bread"
ripoff called "Mama's Little Baby" that's fun, though the
keeper on that 45 is the flip, a nice pop number called
"Come On Sunshine."

2. Alice In Wonderland (R.J. Benninghoff) - The Berkeley
Kites, Minaret MIN-140: 1967, Produced by Finley Duncan for
Playground Productions, Musical Director: Arjay This is one
very cool obscure soft pop record!  Very jazzy (in waltz
time) with prominent flute.  The Fuzz, Acid and Flowers
site doesn't say where they're from, but the names above
(and the fact that a Musical Director is listed) leads me
to think they're English (plus they mention toy town psych
in the description).  Anyone know for sure?  Anyone else
have any of their other records? - I'd love to hear more.

3. Alice In Wonderland (D. Morris-E. Greenberg-G.
Schwartz-V. Neuland) - The Central Nervous System, Laurie
3446: 1968, Produced by Laurie Productions Inc., Recorded
at Allegro Sound Studios I will definitely play this to
musica when some space clears up, as this is for me a
pinnacle of US soft psych.  Great melody, great arrangement
(recorder solo, which is always cool!), great vocals (the
bed of background harmonies behind the B section of the
verses and the end of the choruses is gorgeous), great
trippy ending!  You could easily call this US toy town
psych.  Michael Rashkow - did you ever do any work at
Allegro Sound Studios? Do you know anything about this
record?  Fuzz, Acid and Flowers only lists their 1968 LP on
another label, which by all accounts isn't very good. Their
first Laurie single - also from 1968 - is good but not
great.  Based on that, who woulda thunk they had this in

If anyone wants to hear the other two "Alice" songs I can
play them to musica as well.


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Message: 4
   Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:53:23 +0000
   From: Richard Hattersley 
Subject: Re: Walker Bros.

Wally Stott became a Woman!!!!!!!!! Wow! The stuff I learn
>from this group!


Richard Havers wrote:
>Scott Walker also cut Randy's 'Just One Smile' and 'I'll
>Be Home' on his album entitled Stretch, released in 1973.
>For a wonderful piece of Spectoresque pop listen to
>Scott's 'Such A Small Love' from his debut solo album
>('Scott). Scott wrote it and the orchestration was by
>Wally Stott, the producer was John Franz. Wally
>incidentally became Angela Morley in a sex change
>operation. As Angela he composed some of the music for the
>TV show Dynasty.

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Message: 5
   Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:10:35 -0800
   From: "Don Richardson" 
Subject: WB Samplers (Loss Leaders)/Randy Newman

Many years ago one of the Spectropop members ran a website
that, among other things, listed every one of the 20+
Warner Bros. Sampler records that were issued in the late
'60s and '70s.  They are such a great audio history of
Warner/Reprise during their artist friendly days, that I
started trying to find them all.  I only have 10 of them
and I'm trying to locate, again, the web site list that
has them all.

Incidentally, I spoke with a WB VP a few years ago and
urged him to look into re-releasing these samplers on CD. 
Personally I think they would be a hit, but probably only
with hard-core collectors.  The response from WB was that
it would cost too much to research and acquire the
necessary licenses from all the artists in order to make
it worthwhile.

I've watched everyone's input about Randy Newman's gems. 
To recognize how really twisted Randy is, you should also
be aware that he wrote the songs for the movie "The Three
Amigos" including 'My Little Buttercup.'  What a great
sense of humor.


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Message: 6
   Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 08:25:55 -0000
   From: Billy G. Spradlin 
Subject: Re: Abba/Luv'

I discovered several LUV MP3s with WinMX, most sound like
they were ripped from CD, anywhere know where I can buy a
greatest hits CD? The catchiest one I discovered is "Your
My Number One" - VERY 70's Euro-pop! I'm curious if any of
thier music had been released in the USA.

One of my favorite ABBA sound-a-likes is Clout's
"Subsitute" which made KELi's (Tulsa) Top 40 in 1977-8.  I
heard it was a big international smash, so close to ABBA's
sound you can fool people with it. 

Another group that I have heard sounds a like ABBA but
only heard one track is Harpo, thier "Movie Star" has some
funny fractured english lyrics ala ABBA's early hits.


--- In Spectropop, Paul Richards wrote:

> Thanks for reminding me of the fantastic 'Luv' will
> checkout audiogalaxy. Other Abbaclones worth checking out
> are 'Champagne' whose single'Rock n' Roll Star'[76] is
> fantastic. Another Dutch 70s group with an Abba-ish sound
> are 'Mistral', their singles, 'Jamie', 'Neon City' &
> 'Starship 109' are up to Abba's standard, 

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Message: 7
   Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:05:42 -0000
   From: Mike Carter 
Subject: Randy Newman Gems

Petula Clark sings "I Can't Remember Ever Loving You" on
her "My Love" album.  What a gem this one IS!  

Mike C.

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Message: 8
   Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 14:30:35 -0800 (PST)
   From: Stone Jones 

Jan Kristensen wrote:
> Jack was featured in my first try as a Rock journalist
> in a local rag in 59 and I still have his records
> including an obscure CD with 2 duets with Linda Scott.
> But I thought he was born in 1938?

Undoubtedly the omission of Jack from the Hall of Fame
is unexplainable and an omission that should be
rectified if the Hall of Fame is to be an honest
listing of the Greats of Rock & Roll. 
Tony Bayliss

Jack still packs'em in wherever he goes.  In November
when he played in Winnipeg they actually created a
WebPage about it AFTER the concert.  His secret
is...he never smoked, drank or did drugs.  And he still
lifts weights twice a week.  Next concert April 13th
at TBonz in Detroit.  If you'd like to be kept up to
date, send me an e-mail at 

Warren Cosford

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Message: 9
   Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 16:12:11 EST
   From: Will George 
Subject: Re: Let's Dance/Abba

If you wanted to play Dancing Queen, AND still have fun on
your wedding night, you could play the recent cover
version by The Yayhoos. That one rocks.

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Message: 10
   Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:15:21 +0100
   From: "Kingsley Abbott" 
Subject: Ripples/John Summers

Thanks to Mike for the kind words about Ripples. 
Certainly the John Summers track sums up everything I was
trying to do with that series voice/feel wise.  My
starting point had been the gentle summery feels of bands
like the Critters and Trade Winds, and when we delved into
the Pye record vaults we found more than we realised -
hence the original two volumes rapidly became seven, with
the addition of the recent four volumes of "Ripples
presents..." for Jefferson, the Bystanders, The Freshmen
and the Overlanders.  We are currently doing a two CD set
in the Songwriters series for Carter/Lewis, that houses
nicely with the "Guess I'm Dumb" BW/BB collection.  I'd
love to hear from anyone who knows anything about John
Summers, as our searches of Pye achives, my own resourses
and asking a lot of like minded folk revealed zilch. 

Vol 8 of Ripples is still a possibility...check them out
via Sanctuary Records.  There is also a wee chance of a
trawl of the EMI vaults in similar fashion with another

Kingsley Abbott

PS  Who/What's the Rivingtons connection with the
Valiats/Alley Cats please.  I thought they were different

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Message: 11
   Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:18:35 +0200
   From: Stephane Rebeschini 
Subject: Re: The Ashes, Beefheart...

Peter Lerner wrote:
> Yes, the b-side "Every little prayer" (written by Ed
> Fournier - a familiar name that I can't quite place) is
> out of the same mould. The 45 (Vault 924) was produced by
> Richard Delvy (who can tell us anything about him?) and
> engineered by Larry Levine.

>From what I've been able to gather, Richard Delvy was the
drummer and leader of the Challengers and also produced
several interesting records between 1965 and 1969 : A.B.
SKHY (1st LP), The CHAMBER BROTHERS, Buzz Clifford's "See
Your Way Clear...

Ed Fournier was also in the Challengers.


Paul Payton wrote : 
> Two marginal notes to Jeff's fascinating list: (...)
> Captain Beefheart's "Diddy Wah Diddy"
> was an A&M 45, between the Buddah and the Zappa
> releases; much more linear than his more famous tracks,
> it rocked! To my knowledge, its only LP release was on
> an A&M 2-LP sampler, which also featured the first 33rpm
> release of Procol Harum's "Homburg" in the US (still my
> favorite Procol track).


In fact the good Captain released two singles for A&M
BEFORE his Buddah LP.

"Diddy Wah Diddy" was produced by...David Gates!

The four tracks plus one extra one have been released on
one mini LP : Legendary A&M Sessions (5 tracks) A&M


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Message: 12
   Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:22:22 EST
   From: Mark Wirtz 
Subject: Alice In Wonderland

Wasn't there a Neil Sedaka recording entitled "Alice In

M. Wirtz

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Message: 13
   Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 13:47:29 -0500
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Rydell on Capitol

Martin Roberts, I was unaware of any Bobby Rydell
recordings on Capitol. Thanks; I'll watch musica for more.

Country Paul

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Message: 14
   Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 20:15:53 +0200
   From: Stephane Rebeschini 
Subject: Re: Huey Lewis/Ice Cream Man

harvey Williams wrote:
> Mark Frumento wrote:
> >This song was obviously influenced by Excerpt From a
> > Teenage Opera. The band was the same Clover that had
> > Huey Lewis (of the News) in it. They went on to back up
> > Elvis Costello on his first album and early recordings.
> Are you sure? I know it states this in the Tapestry of
> Delights book, but I've always been led to believe that
> this was one (yet another!) of the book's glaring errors.
> I'd assumed that it was a different Clover that Huey Lewis
> had fronted. Don't forget, the book also implies that Ice
> Cream Man might be a Teenage Opera outtake... But here's a
> thing: Nick Lowe produced Elvis' first LP, on which Clover
> play, and he fronted Kippington Lodge, who *were* produced
> by Mark Wirtz!! There truly are only 6 degrees of
> separation.


There were two different groups, one UK with "Ice Cream
Man" (see Vernon Joynson's "Tapestry of Delights" entry
below), one US (that I co-wrote for "Fuzz, Acid & Flowers",
see below). The Tapestry only say that the Ice Cream Man
sounds like Teenage Opera. 

To Country Paul : the US Clover was with John McFee, later
with the Doobie Brothers and Southern Pacific.

Stephane Rebeschini


Clover  (UK)

An obscure group who have two versions of Ice Cream Man,
which sounds like (but I'm not saying it was) an outtake
>from the Keith West/Mark Wirtz Teenage Opera project, on
the Circus Days compilation series. The one on Circus Days,
Vol. 1 (LP) and Circus Days Vol. 1 & 2 (CD) is
straight-forward pop. There's an alternate and better
mildly psychedelic version of the same song on Circus Days,
Vol. 5 (LP) and Circus Days Vol's 4 & 5 (CD). Circus Days,
Vol. 6 (CD) and Circus Days, Vol. 5 (LP) also contains
Dream, Dream, Dream, which is pure pop. A free EP (STFREE
301) given away with 'Strange Things Are Happening'
magazine also included a version of Ice Cream Man. 

This Clover were not the same band as the US bunch who
relocated to the UK and which included Huey Lewis, (of
Californian band Huey Lewis and The News and Elvis
Costello fame). 

Clover   (US)   

ALEX CALL vcls, gtr A 
JOHN GIAMBOTTI bs, gtr, vcls A 
JOHN McFEE ld gtr, pedal steel, piano, vcls A 
(ED BOGAS fiddle, gtr, piano A) 

NB: Bruce Campbell also plays banjo on their 2nd album.   

(up to 1971) 
1(A) CLOVER (Fantasy ) 1970 
2(A) FOURTY NINER (Fantasy 8405) 1971 
NB: (1) also released in France by America (30 AM 6044,
1970). (1) and (2) also released in the U.K. by United

1 Shotgun/ Wade in The Water (Fantasy ?) 1970 NB: (1) also
released in France with a picture sleeve (America 17016)

McFee, Call and Howie all met at Tamalpais High School and
formed the Tiny Aid Hearing Company. In 1967, when they
teamed up with Giambotti - formerly with the bluegrass act
The Valley Boys and the Outfit, they became Clover. The
next two years were spent giging around venues like the
Avalon and the Fillmore, before John Fogerty of Creedence
Clearwater Revival helped them to sign a contract with

Their first album is supposed to have been recorded
without a mixing desk. It contains some excellent west
coast rock and country rock selections, notably Wade In
The Water (a la Mad River), Lizard Rock'n'Roll Band and
Shotgun (the only non original track). 

The second album is more country rock oriented but is
still interesting with Mr. Moon, Chicken Butt and Keep On
Trying. Both albums were produced by Ed Bogas, who was the
fifth member of the group and an active studio musician
(also with David and Tina Meltzer) and soundtrack composer
(notably for Ralph Bakshi's 'Fritz The Cat'). 

Clover drifted back into obscurity and finally, circa 1975,
McFee, Call and Giambotti came to England with new members
Huey Lewis, Micky Shine and Sean Hopper to launch a new
career. This new line-up of Clover somehow managed to play
with Elvis Costello on his first album, My Aim Is True,
and even signed a new recording contract with
Vertigo/Mercury which resulted on two new albums in 1976
and 1977 (Clover and Unavailable), which are totally
different from their previous efforts. 

A gifted guitarist, John McFee also played on several
Californian recording sessions (Janey and Dennis, Tim
Davis, Norman Greenbaum etc.) and joined the Doobie
Brothers in 1980. Alex Call went solo and is still
recording for the German label Taxim. The two later
members, Huey Lewis and Sean Hopper, went on to form Huey
Lewis and the News and sold some millions of records
during the '80s. 

(Vernon Joynson/Stephane Rebeschini)

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Message: 15
   Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:45:23 EST
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: Re: JACK SCOTT

In a message dated 4/2/02, milliganstew writes:

>Undoubtedly the omission of Jack from the Hall of Fame
>is unexplainable and an omission that should be
>rectified if the Hall of Fame is to be an honest
>listing of the Greats of Rock & Roll. 

the trouble is nobody's heard of him...imagine if the
greats were truly represented...speaking of glaring
inconsistencies, Steven Tyler sang the Star Spangled
Banner at opening day here in Boston for the Red Sox
opener...not that I'm a huge musical fan of the national
anthem but to have such a poor representative of ANY music
as Tyler screeching the already badly prosed lyrics
insulted me greatly. And I'll bet Aerosmith is in that
hall of fame...jb/remembers the day they came literally
>from NOWHERE just like the band Boston

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Message: 16
   Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:17:30 -0500
   From: Mark Frumento 
Subject: Clover/Family Tree, Miss Butters

> re Clover: There were two different groups

I hang my head in shame for reporting as fact that the US
group was the same group that recorded Ice Cream Man. As
one kind Spectrpopper put it... there could have been a
Nick Lowe connection?

To go back to what I do best, I'll ask a question:

I only recently heard the Family Tree Miss Butters LP and
was stunned at how good it is. It wasn't until this past
Sunday, when I pulled out one of my Nilsson CDs, that I
realized HN performed and in fact cowrote "Miss Butter
Lament." Looking further I see that Bob Segarini was a
friend of Nilsson's and played on his first album.

Did Nilsson have a hand in any of the other songs? Did he
have any involvement in the album at all? Can anyone who
has the LP post or email scans of the cover? Can anyone
enlighten me further? I can't for the life of me
understand why Miss Butters hasn't gotten a CD reissue.

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Message: 17
   Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:57:34 -0800
   From: Vincent Degiorgio 
Subject: Re: Abba/Luv'

On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 12:25 AM, Billy G. Spradlin wrote:
> One of my favorite ABBA sound-a-likes is Clout's
> "Subsitute" which made KELi's (Tulsa) Top 40 in 1977-8.  I
> heard it was a big international smash, so close to ABBA's
> sound you can fool people with it.

And the South Africans Clout had their song covered by
Gloria Gaynor.. when the song tanked, everyone flipped it.
The B Side ?

I WIll Survive.


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Message: 18
   Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:47:26 -0600
   From: Nick Archer 
Subject: Re: Status Cymbal info

Last week I was able to do a one hour interview with Byron
Warner, orginal member of the Status Cymbal along with his
sister Florence Warner and Tom Porter. I'll post the
highlights here soon. If anyone is really interested, you
can email me off-line for a CD copy of the interview. I
also made a 7.5 meg realaudio file that I could place on
my webpage if enough people want to hear it. The Status
Cymbal's hit "In the Morning" was played to musica late
last week.

Nick Archer Nashville TN

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