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Spectropop - Digest Number 429

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There are 11 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 429:

      1. Re: ABBA and Clover
           From: Stewart Mason 
      2. Re: Tomorrow/Marvin, Welch and Farrar + ABBA
           From: "Norman" 
      3. Toomorrow/The Globetrotters
           From: "Don Charles" 
      4. Re: "Ice Cream Man" / Clover/Abba
           From: Ken 
      5. Re: Abba
           From: Will George 
      6. Huey Lewis/Ice Cream Man/Toomorrow/Happy New Year
           From: "harvey williams" 
      7. Girl Groups on Big Top/G Granger - Just Tell Him Jim Said Hello
           From: Michael Edwards 
      8. Re: The Remains
           From: James Botticelli 
      9. Re: Randy Newman Gems
           From: Nick Archer 
     10. Walker Brothers
           From: Mark Frumento 
     11. Re: Walker Brothers
           From: Richard Havers 


Message: 1
   Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:12:39 -0500
   From: Stewart Mason 
Subject: Re: ABBA and Clover

Mike Demers writes:

>At the risk of sounding too pscyhobabblesque, I think
>that folks listen to music that reflects their emotional
>needs (duh) - ABBA came out at a particular time and
>filled a need for lightness in music just as AQUA has
>recently (although AQUA has been much more of a parody

Funny, but I find many of ABBA's songs to be anything but
"light," especially anything from about 1977 onwards, when
every new album was basically a year's worth of journal
entries from the couples' disintegrating marriages.  For
every early bubblegum hit like "Waterloo," there's two
songs like "Knowing Me Knowing You" or "The King Has Lost
His Crown," which are as emotionally weighty as any other
Top 40 hit of the '70s.  (Not saying much I know, but
they're at least equal to anything on RUMOURS.)

>This song was obviously influenced by Excerpt From a
>Teenage Opera. The band was the same Clover that had Huey
>Lewis (of the News) in it. They went on to back up Elvis
>Costello on his first album and early recordings.

According to Vernon Joynson, the '60s psych-pop Clover had
nothing to do with the '70 pub-rock Clover, who were an
American group who emigrated to London in the early '70s. 
Although no one seems to know who they were, the '60s
Clover were definitely English -- you can hear it in the

Joynson also mentions the clear similarity to "Teenage
Opera" in his entry on the group in THE TAPESTRY OF


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Message: 2
   Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:28:17 +1030
   From: "Norman" 
Subject: Re: Tomorrow/Marvin, Welch and Farrar + ABBA


Some info on Toomorrow and their recordings.

"Toomorrow were Karl Chambers, Vic Cooper, Olivia
Newton-John, and Ben Thomas".


Take a look at this site. It is worth seeing.  It contains
words to songs and info about the group.

Vic Cooper had been a part of Tom Jones' backing group the
Squires together with Chris Slade who also was supposed to
be a part of the Toomorrow line-up.

I know it had a film release  in August 1970 but was there
a  TV series envisaged?    I suppose we were compensated
with the likes of Caroline Ellis and  The Bugaloos.  Not
quite science fiction but they did fly around, and sing.

When Olivia Newton John was in England she was lucky
enough to ride to success under the  wing of Cliff Richard.
She toured with his shows, became acquainted with Bruce
Welch ( whose brother was a journalist) and was engaged to
him for five years.  I believe Bruce Welch re-arranged (if
that's the word) Banks of The Ohio for Olivia.  John
Farrar and Bruce Welch produced her early stuff in England.

John Farrar is the partner of Pat Carroll  who performed
with Olivia as a duo. When in England work permit problems
meant Pat had to go back to Australia.  She had a few
local hits including a cover of Dana's "All Kinds of
Everything". (Dana = Rosemary Brown the Irish TV host,
Singer and politician).


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Message: 3
   Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:01:04 +0000
   From: "Don Charles" 
Subject: Toomorrow/The Globetrotters

The Toomorrow album was released in 1970 on RCA Victor in
conjunction with a film of the same title.  The members
were Olivia Newton-John, Ben Thomas, Vic Cooper and Karl
Chambers.  Ritchie Adams and Mark Barkan produced the
album, and Don Kirshner was executive producer/music
supervisor.  I know many people who'd give their left arm
to own a copy of this album.  A single ("Goin' Back" -
not the Goffin/King song) was issued with Olivia singing


I seriously doubt that Meadowlark Lemon sings lead on The
Globetrotters' "Rainy Day Bells."  I've heard that it's
really the late James "JR" Bailey, but I can't confirm it.

Don Charles

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Message: 4
   Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 12:05:49 -0000
   From: Ken 
Subject: Re: "Ice Cream Man" / Clover/Abba

Hey,is this song in any way related to " Uncle Joe The
Ice Cream Man " released by The Mindbenders back in oohh
1968/69,i seem to remember this had a slightly odd
lyrical content.

-----Original Message from Mark Frumento

Ice Cream Man is quite fun but a little twisted too. It's
supposed to be about a man selling ice cream but it is
clearly not a ice cream he is selling. The children's
chorus is the main connection to EFATO.

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Message: 5
   Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:04:24 EST
   From: Will George 
Subject: Re: Abba

I'll stick up for Abba. I like them more and more every
year. Pure and unapologetic pop. Watch the film Muriel's
Wedding, and I guarantee your appreciation for Abba will
be increased.


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Message: 6
   Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:58:00 -0000
   From: "harvey williams" 
Subject: Huey Lewis/Ice Cream Man/Toomorrow/Happy New Year

Mark Frumento wrote:
>This song was obviously influenced by Excerpt From a
> Teenage Opera. The band was the same Clover that had
> Huey Lewis (of the News) in it. They went on to back up
> Elvis Costello on his first album and early recordings.

Are you sure? I know it states this in the Tapestry of
Delights book, but I've always been led to believe that
this was one (yet another!) of the book's glaring errors.
I'd assumed that it was a different Clover that Huey Lewis
had fronted. Don't forget, the book also implies that Ice
Cream Man might be a Teenage Opera outtake... But here's a
thing: Nick Lowe produced Elvis' first LP, on which Clover
play, and he fronted Kippington Lodge, who *were* produced
by Mark Wirtz!! There truly are only 6 degrees of

People are also asking about how Toomorrow sound. The 45 I
have is just as good as you'd expect a bubblegum record
fronted by Olivia Newton-John to be, ie joyous.   

Happy New Year: I saw an acetate of Randy Newman's demo
advertised for sale a couple of years back (along with a
whole bunch of unreleased Beverley (Martyn) acetates &
demos), but this one had inevitably been sold by the time
I called up about it. Was anyone out there the lucky
purchaser? It's one of my favourite Randy compostions (&
I'm a big fan of his), & have often wondered what I missed...

Harvey W

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Message: 7
   Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:19:25 -0500
   From: Michael Edwards 
Subject: Girl Groups on Big Top/G Granger - Just Tell Him Jim Said Hello

----- Original Message from "Jan Kristensen"

> I got "Just tell him Jane said hello" on an Italian CD
> called Rockin' Boppin' Girls vol 2 on Titanic TR CD 6000.

Great Jan,

Who did you buy it from? Do they have an internet store?

Many thanks, Mike Edwards

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Message: 8
   Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 13:21:09 EST
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: Re: The Remains

In a message dated 3/30/02, Country Paul writes:

>The Remains were the first "loud" band I saw
>play live - outdoors in the quad at college, by the way.
>Why they weren't national stars is beyond me.

Considering they opened for the Beatles in 66 and had some
really catchy hooks. Their one Epic LP fetches mighty
dollarios I'm told...they were legendary around here. they
actually played a reunited gig a year back or so here in
boston...they sounded wonderful. Barry Tashian is a folkie
playing purist kinda stuff with his wife. I had a chance
to chat with him..He's a happy man and only did the
Remains reunification gig as a laugh, no future....But
you're right, they were a loud band, not softpoppers at

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Message: 9
   Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:21:59 -0600
   From: Nick Archer 
Subject: Re: Randy Newman Gems

Don't forget the Walker Brothers version of "I Don't Want
to Hear It Anymore" - a great version.

Nick Archer

Check out Nashville's classic SM95 on the web at

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Message: 10
   Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:29:35 -0500
   From: Mark Frumento 
Subject: Walker Brothers

> Don't forget the Walker Brothers version of "I Don't Want
> to Hear It Anymore" - a great version.

Yes! and that reminds me, who wrote the great song "(Baby)
You Don't Have to Tell Me"? The One Way Anthology doesn't
list the writers. Sounds like it could have come from
David Gates. I could easily hear Nino Temp/April Stevens
doing this song. Surely some Spectropopper has the
writing credits on this one.

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Message: 11
   Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:30:33 +0100
   From: Richard Havers 
Subject: Re: Walker Brothers

Yes! and that reminds me, who wrote the great song "(Baby)
You Don't Have to Tell Me"?

It was the world famous Pete Autell.......
Best Wishes


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