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There are 11 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 412:

      1. RE: Sitar & sitar-inspired guitar in pop
           From: Delia Barnard 
      2. Mock Sitar and Raga Rock/Sitar-inspired guitar in pop
           From: "Javed Jafri" 
      3. Re: Sitar & sitar-inspired guitar in pop
           From: Scott Swanson 
      4. Here a Min, Theremin, everywhere Millennium
           From: Joey Stec 
      5. Re: Mark Wirtz
           From: "Phil Chapman" 
      6. Del Shannon
           From: "Keith Beach" 
      7. re: talkin' tokens
           From: "Jack Madani" 
      8. Tommy James Travlin' LP/ Map City Records/
           From: Leonardo 
      9. Chip Taylor & Tony Romeo
           From: "Jeff Lemlich" 
     10. Kiki, Mariah, Ella Mae, and marketing
           From: "Joseph Scott" 
     11. Re: starsailor?
           From: "Robert Conway" 


Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:26:33 -0000
   From: Delia Barnard 
Subject: RE: Sitar & sitar-inspired guitar in pop

Favourite sitar tracks for me are the Poppy Family-Happy
Island. Great looking band too.


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Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:24:07 -0500
   From: "Javed Jafri" 
Subject: Mock Sitar and Raga Rock/Sitar-inspired guitar in pop

> The Kinks were one of the first pop bands to feature
> guitar played in imitation of sitar style, on "See My
> Friends," released in July '65. (Folk acoustic guitarists
> such as Sandy Bull and Davey Graham had already been
> playing guitar in imitation of sitar style for a couple
> of years.) The Beatles really liked "See My Friends."
> Harrison bought his first sitar (a "crummy" one, he later
> decided) in a London shop about Sept. '65, and that was
> the one he played on "Norwegian Wood."

Thank you for the correction Joseph and Andrew and I
actually found a snippet of an interview where Dave
Davies confirms the above. In any case, I think it would
be safe to say that the Kinks were one of the earliest
rock band to use Indian scales even if it was with
mock-Indian instrumentation. "Fancy" was another song by
them in the same vein. Below is a bit from the interview:

But you broke new ground, too. See My Friends from 1965
could be considered as the first psychedelic single.

"I guess it was a bit ethereal. I do an elongated version
in my set, as I always thought it was too good for just a
three-minute song. Even before The Kinks, Ray and I
listened to so much different music: country and western,
Hank Williams, Lonnie Donegan, Marty Wilde, The Ventures,
Big Bill Bronzy and all the blues people. We'd hear a
Hawaiian guitar and wouldn't know what it was, so we'd
kind of fake it. Or a sitar, we'd fake it and See My
Friends is actually played on a de-tuned 12-string guitar
which gives it that kind of Indian flavour. That's what
made recording so much fun. We didn't get in special
instruments until we got into the brass thing a bit later
on. And that comes from growing up listening to trad

The Yardbirds "Heart Full of Soul" was also an early
attempt to make a guitar sound like a sitar. Jeff Beck
did the honors on that one after failed attempts to
record with a real sitar and sitarist. It is quite easy
to tell however that it is a guitar on the single version
of "Heart Full Of Soul".


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Message: 3
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:47:53 -0800
   From: Scott Swanson 
Subject: Re: Sitar & sitar-inspired guitar in pop

>The Kinks were one of the first pop bands to feature
>guitar played in imitation of sitar style, on "See My
>Friends," released in July '65. 

Another song that utilized the "sitar sound" (without
actually using a sitar) was The Yardbirds' "Heart Full Of
Soul".  Both songs were recorded around the same time
(April 1965) although "Heart Full Of Soul" was released



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Message: 4
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:09:23 EST
   From: Joey Stec 
Subject: Here a Min, Theremin, everywhere Millennium

In a message dated 3/12/02 9:36:19 PM, Joe Foster writes:


Foster is absolutely right about all the talk of the
theremin. By the way, Brian and Gary Usher brought the
theremin used on Vibrations over to Boettcher's house
during the Millennium period and there it stayed for
several weeks.....Salisbury, Rhodes, Mallory all recall
this happening ...I cannot tell you which one it was,
however it worked by the wave of the hand...we saw and
heard Boettcher play it...I had this discussion with
Foster a few years back ...and why all the mystery
about this... actually the first group to use this in
Rock on the west coast was "Lothar and the Hand People"
...Now who knows more about these guys ...Lothar was the
Theremin and the Hand People the band .......Does "Rose
Color Glasses" mean anything?


Joey Stec

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Message: 5
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:28:51 -0000
   From: "Phil Chapman" 
Subject: Re: Mark Wirtz

Paul Richards:

>Fantastic Fair [can't remember offhand groupname]

That's Elmer Hockett's Hurdy Gurdy! I initially got hooked
on 'Mad' Mark Wirtz during his Spector period, although I
suspect Martin Roberts prefers Irving Martin's efforts. In
retrospect, I find Mark's pop/psychedelia/go-go music more
interesting, particularly the borderline insane
"Imagination" by Kris Ife, Kim Fowley "Lights", the
aforementioned EHHG, Kippington Lodge "Shy Boy" & "And She
Cried" and the pirate-radio theme "A Touch Of Velvet A
Sting Of Brass" by Mood Mosaic featuring The Ladybirds,
which curiously isn't the same take on the CD as the
original 45. Of note to Spectropopers will be Dany
Chandelle's torrential rendition of "Lying Awake", Peanut
goes George Formby on "I'm Waiting For The Day", Valerie
Avon "He Knows I Love Him Too Much", Russ Loader, Tony
Crane (ex-Merseybeats) and Simon & Pi "Sha La La La Lee"
which the 45rpm credits "Arranged & Produced Mark P. Wirtz
as a tribute to Phil Spector". Although not his most
imaginative Spector-styled, one that misses the CD comps
is Tony Summers' "Make Time Stand Still" (hear it in

An interview with Mark from a while back is still online at


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Message: 6
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:12:13 -0000
   From: "Keith Beach" 
Subject: Del Shannon

Does anyone know why Del Shannon committed suicide? I read
an obituary at the time that hinted at some dark secret
(perhaps he was manic depressive like another favourite of
mine, Mickey Newbury).

keith beach 

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Message: 7
   Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:48:46 -0500
   From: "Jack Madani" 
Subject: re: talkin' tokens

spectropop writes:

>Talkin' TOKENS...I was particularly fond of "She Lets Her
>Hair Down" (January, 1970) inspired by a Clairol
>commercial, but the flip side is even groovier,

Hey, WAIT a minute.  Wouldn't the side with the
Clairol-inspired song BE the flip side?

diggin' laura petrie in her clairol flip and white vinyl
go-go boots in the last season of the dick van dyke show

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Message: 8
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 04:56:06 -0000
   From: Leonardo 
Subject: Tommy James Travlin' LP/ Map City Records/


Is Tommy James and the Shondells Travlin' Lp a concept LP?
As the record doesn't have any printed lyrics, I cannot
figure this one out for myself. The back of the LP does
say Album Concept by Mark Alan, but is that only
reference to the production of the cover of the LP ? Does
anybody know of anywhere I can get the lyrics for the LP?
If it is a Concept what's the story?

Anders and Poncia's late sixties record label "Map City"
only had a few releases. Does anybody know if there are
any lost A&P gems on this label that I should keep my
eyes and ears open for? Their Warner Brothers release The
Anders & Poncia Album has I believe one of their best
track they ever wrote "If She Don't Stay" as well as
"Lucky". Does anybody have anymore information on the
Anders and Poncia album that was to be released on Kama
Sutra as it had a catalog number assigned to it? I just
can't get enough of their song writing!!!



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Message: 9
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:15:57 -0500
   From: "Jeff Lemlich" 
Subject: Chip Taylor & Tony Romeo

> May I pitch for some favorite Chip Taylor records? "Here
> I Am," Warner Bros., probably 1961-62 or so - a big Roy
> Orbison-like build on a beautiful ballad. "Fly By Night"
> was on Amy (or Bell or Mala - one of those three labels
> that eventually fell in on themselves to become Arista).

Another one I like a lot is "If You Don't Want Me Now"
(MGM 13040), a 1961 rocker with some good guitar and
vocals very much in a Rick Nelson vein.  In fact, the
guitar lick reminds me a bit of "The Name Game", even
though this preceded it by several years.

> Rainy Day was Taylor's label (with, I think, Al Gorgoni)
> that had James Taylor's first releases with the Flying
> Machine. There were also some neat 45's by not-well-known
> artists.

I have one of 'em in front of me right now:

Rainy Day 8003  HARRY'S GROUP - Under My Umbrella/Old Man
Trouble Chip Taylor and Billy Vera share writers' credits.
The pair shares producer's credits with Al Gordoni. I
guess the question is... WHO WAS HARRY?

>  Re: Tony Romeo, he was in a three-person group called
> Trout, on MGM, pre-1970. The album was produced, written,
> arranged and conducted by Tony Romeo (one track was
> arranged by Jimmy Wisner), and supplemented by Frank
> Romeo (his brother?) and one Cassandra Morgan, quite the
> fine-looking lady.

I don't have the album but one side of their single had a
great title -- "The Worst Day I've Ever Been To". 
Unfortunately the title is better than the song.

Jeff Lemlich

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Message: 10
   Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:18:42 -0700
   From: "Joseph Scott" 
Subject: Kiki, Mariah, Ella Mae, and marketing

Regarding the photo of Kiki Dee:

When young Mariah Carey was first being hyped by her
record company, I lived in Oakland, CA, and my two
favorite CD stores were one with 90%+ "black" customers
and another with 90%+ "white" customers. The former had a
poster of Carey on the wall in which she looked "black,"
whereas the latter had been provided instead with a
poster of Carey in which she looked "white." Major
difference in the two posters, I'm not talking about
anything subtle here.

Similarly, there are promo photos of the '40s singer Ella
Mae Morse in which she looks "black" and others in which
she looks "white." That was Capitol in their early years,
no dummies: her bright, hip boogie-woogie music did great
on the "Harlem Hit Parade" chart and on the "pop" chart,
with everybody buying what they imagined they were buying,
"blues" or "pop," the same Ella Mae records.

Joseph Scott

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Message: 11
   Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:34:53 -0600
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: starsailor?

The Spector-Starsailor connection was talked about here
2-3 months ago.  Based on that talk I bought the new
Starsailor CD and was disappointed that there was no
mention of Spector anywhere, and was wondering, after
listening to the CD, why he would be interested in this
particular group.  I wanted to like the group and CD so I
gave it a few listens but alas, it just didn't click for

Bob Conway

Phil Spector

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