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Spectropop - Digest Number 400

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There are 24 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 400:
      1. Thanks for answers; Newbeats; Innocents; Love note
           From: "Paul Payton" 
      2. Re: Bob Crewe Presents Dyno Voice CD
           From: Patrick Rands 
      3. RE: Bob Crewe Presents Dyno Voice CD
           From: kjasilverwood 
      4. Re: Bob Crewe Presents Dyno Voice CD- where to get it!
           From: Charles Ellis 
      5. Al Hazan / Jack Ross / Carter & Lewis / DynoVoice
           From: LePageWeb 
      6. The American Influence: Montanas, Bystanders, First Class etc
           From: Mark Frumento 
      7. Merseybeats USA
           From: Stewart Mason 
      8. Grass Roots
           From: Will George 
      9. The Skeletons
           From: Will George 
     10. Skele-question...
           From: Bobby Lloyd Hicks 
     11. Re: new Lesley Gore
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
     12. The Tokens ..
           From: Don Baylis 
     13. Re: Motorcycle Michael  / Jo Ann Campbell
           From: Will George 
     14. Re: Grapevine
           From: Will George 
     15. on the recommendation of friends
           From: Ted T 
     16. Re: Bryndle/Andrew Gold
           From: Will George 
     17. Re: Paul Revere
           From: James Botticelli 
     18. Wind Beneath My Wings
           From: Will George 
     19. Re: Wind Beneath My Wings
           From: "Justin McDevitt" 
     20. Re: Oh To Get Away
           From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
     21. The Castels
           From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
     22. The Red Coats
           From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
     23. Re: Grass Roots
           From: "Norman" 
     24. Re: Bob Crewe Presents Dyno Voice CD
           From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 


Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:07:27 -0500
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Thanks for answers; Newbeats; Innocents; Love note

Mark Frumento writes:

> That'll teach you for asking a little question like that!

Yes, Mark, and you taught me well. (Norman, too.) Thanks
for the Carter/Lewis etc. etc. info. Now to try to find
an out-of-print UK bootleg in the US... (By the way,
about the "ER" reference, do they show on UK TV, too?)

And Mick Patrick, re: the Alley Cats etc. etc., you
answered many of my questions, too. Many thanks!
Sometimes I think that reading the posts herein is like
going to grad school for a combined Ph.D in
Musicology/Sociology. (Will the Admin team confer
diplomas after a certain number of posts? :-) )

To "Signed D. C.": "Run Baby Run" is by the Newbeats (wr.
Joe Melson [Roy Orbison's frequent partner] and Don Gant),
Hickory 1322, 09 /65. In the US, Billboard had it peaking
at #12, Casbox at #14; it got to #10 in the UK, but not
till 1971. It and bunches of other stuff (including my
favorite Newbeats track, "Shake Hands [And Come Out
Crying]", Hickory 1366, 01 /66, Billboard #95, Cash Box #62)
is on a 1992 Sequel (UK) CD, "The Best of the Newbeats,"
NEX CD 231. (Above info is from the liner notes.) I found
my copy a year or so ago in NYC for $10. And re: the
discussion of favorite missing tracks, I never found
"Shake Hands" on any Newbeats collection till this one.
However, Dean & Marc [Mathis], the background 2/3 of the
group, had an two excellent 45's - "There Oughta Be A Law"
(Hicxkory) and "Tell Him No" (the Travis & Bob song,
label unknown) which are missing from this CD, although
there are other Dean & Marc tracks therein.

Also missing from the Innocents' Ace (UK) CD: their first
45 on TransWorld, "Tick Tock (Goodnight My Darling),"
fuller and harder than anything they were famous for.
I've got it on a 45, made scratchy from heavy play at
home. Anyone know if that's been collected anywhere on a

And thinking of "Signed D. C.," I read recently that
Arthur Lee is out of jail and was looking to tour doing a
variety of Love songs as well as new material. I forget
where I read it, though; sorry....

Country Paul

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Message: 2
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:45:00 -0500
   From: Patrick Rands 
Subject: Re: Bob Crewe Presents Dyno Voice CD

 On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Michael Edwards wrote:

> I tried to buy a copy of this double CD, A UK import on
> the Westside label (with tracks by the Toys, Eddie
> Rambeau, Mitch Ryder etc), from Disc Collector this
> afternoon. They told me it didn't come out. Does anyone
> know if it did? Could you please supply the catalog
> number? Thanks.

I heard it got pulled by Crewe himself. Word is some
copies hit the street - did anyone get a copy? I've
been trying to track one down myself!


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Message: 3
   Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 00:06:02 -0000
   From: kjasilverwood 
Subject: RE: Bob Crewe Presents Dyno Voice CD

-----Original Message from: Michael Edwards

> I tried to buy a copy of this double CD, A UK import on
> the Westside label (with tracks by the Toys, Eddie
> Rambeau, Mitch Ryder etc), from Disc Collector this
> afternoon. They told me it didn't come out. Does anyone
> know if it did? Could you please supply the catalog
> number? Thanks.

>From Kenny,
         It came out in U K around August 2001 i think.
Catalogue No. WESD226. On the subject of Newbeats "Run
Baby Run " this was released in U K on its U S label
Hickory as was its forerunner " Bread & Butter".
Although not a big seller in 1965 it was massive in 1971
as part of the rising tide of the " Northern Soul "
culture , it came with another U S hit " Am I Not My
Brothers Keeper " as the "B" side , this time the label
was London American. If my memory serves me well.!

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Message: 4
   Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:36:08 -0000
   From: Charles Ellis 
Subject: Re: Bob Crewe Presents Dyno Voice CD- where to get it!

In spectropop, Michael Edwards wrote:

> I tried to buy a copy of this double CD...Disc Collector...
> told me it didn't come out. Does anyone know if it did?
> Could you please supply the catalog number? Thanks.

I got my copy through Collector's Choice- their website
has a lot of import CDs including the Crewe CD set.  Good
Luck!   Charles Ellis (

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Message: 5
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:57:36 +0900
   From: LePageWeb 
Subject: Al Hazan / Jack Ross / Carter & Lewis / DynoVoice


It's been a while since I've written. So many fave
topics and cool records being discussed at present so I'll
add a few comments if I may.

Martin, Phil - great stuff on Al Hazan! That post about
Ava was fascinating. I had no idea Fred Astaire owned the
label. I love to see stories of the little indie labels
in LA from that era. Very interesting reading. Fred
Astaire and Gary Zekley both ended up recording for the
label. Rather odd. I know another record on Ava called
"Just About That Time" (#AVA138) by Johnny Zorro, basically
a slow, echoey guitar instro with a droning male background
chorus singing the title in unison. Sort of a "spacy" kind 
of sputnik sound. It too was cut at Gold Star.


Coincidentally, William Jackson asked about "Cinderella"
by Jack Ross. Sorry, William, I don't know where to get
a copy, but I can confirm that the previously mentioned
Johnny Zorro played guitar on the Cinderella session. It
was cut at Gold Star and the laugh track was done by the
people in the studio at the time (although it is quite
possible canned laughs were added later). Norm Malkin &
Jack Hoffman produced it. 


Regarding Carter/Lewis, I love pretty much everything I've
heard by them and I am especially fond of John Carter's
Denmark Street Demos. So well produced, the collection
sounds like a lost British Invasion album. 

Mark Frumento wrote:

> The only problem (a minor one) with Carter/Lewis, Ivy
> League etc is that they sometimes border on imitation.

I understand what you mean, Mark; I'd probably feel the
same way if they had been an actual band sort of copying
every one else's style. But Carter/Lewis were primarily
songwriters/producers, not artists, and their bands sort
of came after the fact out of necessity for a live act.
>From that point of view, their "tunesmith" approach has
great appeal, much like the Brill Building style. On
several tracks from the Denmark Street Demos you can
imagine exactly which group they were trying to emulate
or planning to pitch to. Troggs, Who, Kinks,
Hermits...very interesting listening!

By the way, Mark, I heard that "Scenes (from another
world)" record you were talking about. It reminds me
of Cherry Hill Park a bit. It has a blues/rock guitar
track that seems unusual for that kind of record. I
don't know if it is the Tokens or not. Still, it was a
fun listen. Thanks for spinning it.


Michael Edwards wrote:

> I tried to buy a copy of [Bob Crewe Presents the
> DynoVoice Story] double CD, A UK import on the
> Westside label (with tracks by the Toys, Eddie
> Rambeau, Mitch Ryder etc), from Disc Collector this
> afternoon. They told me it didn't come out. Does
> anyone know if it did? Could you please supply the
> catalog number? Thanks.

... OK, the *CD* itself actually did come out. :-) But as
to Bob Crewe ...well, it's a funny but tragic little
story, and it's not mine to tell. So, please allow me to
direct you to an earlier message that reveals the story,
as told to Spectropop by reissue producer supremo Mick
Patrick (btw, including Mick, I counted no less than SIX
illustrious Spectropoppers namechecked in the DynoVoice 
Story credits!). (WESD 226)

Go to

and click Digest Number V#2-256


Discussion has been quite interesting lately. Keep up the
good work everyone!

All the best,


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Message: 6
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:47:08 -0000
   From: Mark Frumento 
Subject: The American Influence: Montanas, Bystanders, First Class etc

All this talk about British harmony/sunshine bands had me
get out my Montana's CD for my train ride today. I
generally had never given credence to English pop bands
of this ilk until I heard the Flowerpot Men. Now with all
this great stuff available (that's due in large part to
the Ripples comps, in my opinion), I have a new
appreciation for the quality of the songs, singing etc.

The Montanas seem to be the king daddies of the British
scene (again, pure opinion on my part). They also seem to
be the most American influenced of the bunch. Interesting
that 3 or so of their best pure, US sounding sunshine pop
songs were written by Hatch/Trent. The Montanas were
quite versitile. Their version of "Let's Ride" is superb
(wonder why the compilers couldn't find the writing
credits on that one?). They had the ability to do a
garage sound, a slight psych sound, pop etc without ever
sounding like they were selling out. The story to me is
more amazing in that they never really made it big. This
is one of those CDs you need to get before it goes out of
print because it will go out of print. Every track is
great (well one could argue that two versions of the
Chipmunk laden "One Thing Or Another" is two too many?
Great song but couldn't one version have been without the

Thier less visible counterparts, The Bystanders are
another great group. Not as strong in their committment
to vocal harmony as the Montana but still good. The fact
that we have a whole CD by these guys is a testament to
an earlier discussion on the board about supporting
reissue labels. On first listening I was not real
impressed with their version of "Pattern People" but
closer inspection revealed a slightly more accessible
version when compared to the slick 5D version. Most of
the rest of the material is very good. They even do our
faves the 4S by covering "You're Ready Now".... and quite
a good cover at that!

I whole heartedly agree with the comments on First Class.
I was a tad disappointed with some of the material
outside of "Beach Baby" but BB is a classic.

What's so cool about this story is that it is sometimes
assumed that every band in the 60s wanted to be the
Beatles. The evidence that a lot of bands wanted to be
the Beach Boys, The Four Seasons, The Association etc. is
there and quite exciting to discover. 

Support these reissues they are real treasures.

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Message: 7
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:10:27 -0700
   From: Stewart Mason 
Subject: Merseybeats USA

Mark Frumento wrote:

>--- In Spectropop, Stewart Mason wrote:
>> They were from Louisville KY, and not only was Steve
>> Ferguson in the band, so was the 'Q's Terry Adams. 
>*****Thanks Stewart. Somehow these guys escaped the
>reference books I have. I have 5 songs on tape. Did they
>release 45s? The material I have is quite good

They released two singles on the local Top Dog label in
Louisville: You'll Come Back/Nobody Loves Me That Way
and Does She or Doesn't She/Stop Look and Listen.  I
*think* all four are Steve Ferguson compositions, but
I'm not sure.  Terry Adams, incidentally, only appears
on the second single.

Oh, and I must not have been paying attention yesterday
when I wrote my first thing: the band that featured
Spampinato, Gadler and Staley was called The Seven of Us.


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Message: 8
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:57:26 EST
   From: Will George 
Subject: Grass Roots

I'm listening to the Grass Roots anthology released by
Rhino in 1991. I just ordered it from Collector's Choice
Music, but I think it may actually be officially
unavailable, as I didn't see it on other sites. There's
some excellent stuff on here for sure. But I'm having to
pore through the liner notes to try to find songwriter
credits. How difficult is it to list the songwriters
after each track?

Question: Did PF Sloan actually sing any leads on any of
their songs? 


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Message: 9
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:06:13 EST
   From: Will George 
Subject: The Skeletons

I'd just like to state that The Skeletons are just about
the rockinest band out there! Glad to see you here Bobby!


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Message: 10
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:27:27 EST
   From: Bobby Lloyd Hicks 
Subject: Skele-question...

Mark Frumento asks:

> There is another great song about which I have a
> question: was "Talk to Me" released as the Skeletons,
> the Morells or as D Clinton Thompson (that is who wrote
> it, right?) Has it ever gotten a CD reissue 
> (my 45 is long gone but still have it on tape).

"Talk to me Baby" was written by Barry Mann and Cynthia
Weil! It was a Barry Mann 45, released near the end of
1964, that only spent a couple of weeks on the charts,
topping out at # 94.  Great song though, I agree.  That's
another one that Donnie did by himself (like his "Drivin'
Guitars" which WNEW has used for their concert
announcements for decades!), and he put it out on his own
label. It's never been re-released as far as I know.
However, the reformed Morells are now on a label
[Slewfoot] that is interested in reissuing all of our
stuff, so chances are that one will be included on a
future Skele-disc. blh

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Message: 11
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:32:19 -0000
   From: Billy G. Spradlin 
Subject: Re: new Lesley Gore

Yikes - what a shock!  This is more outlandish than Tiny
Tim tackling "Highway To Hell".  and I recomend everyone
to check out the clip of Peter Noone's merseybeat
version of Billy Idol's "White Wedding".

The clips sound great and the whole idea of getting
people to sing songs "against type" is novel - a far
better idea than most tribute CD's.

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Message: 12
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:57:01 -0000
   From: Don Baylis 
Subject: The Tokens ..

A 1988 LP/CD from the Tokens that I don't believe I have
seen mentioned .. RCA 8534-2 Re-Doo-Wopp. The tracks are
mainly medleys of 50s/60s songs yet superbly done .. a
sample .. the 1st track ..Little Star : Hush-A-Bye :
Little Darlin' : Sorry : Do You Wanna Dance : Twist &
Shout : Do You Love Me : La Bamba. I also recommend a cd
on Back Beat from 1995, #61051 The Tokens - The Lion
Sleeps Tonight .. mainly because it contains several of
the follow up (to Lion) singles such as .. Hear The Bells,
Bwa Nina, Dream ANgel Goodnight, ABC, 01 -2-3 .. 18 tracks
in all. A point of interest, the liner notes to Re Doo
Wop state that The Tokens did the back up to Keith's 98.6

Don Baylis

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Message: 13
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:57:30 EST
   From: Will George 
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Michael  / Jo Ann Campbell

>Can anyone tell me anything about a song I just heard on
>Sounds of the Sixties on Saturday morning.  It was
>called Motorcycle Michael and sung by Jo Ann Campbell. 
>Is it still available and if so what on?

I have it on a 1986 Charly LP by Jo Ann called Miss
Reet Petite. It isn't on either of the CDs of hers
that I own. (Are there more than 2?) Writer credits
are to Udell/Geld. It was Jo Ann's third single on ABC
Records, and her only British chart appearance (on HMV).

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Message: 14
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:01:29 EST
   From: Will George 
Subject: Re: Grapevine

John Lester wrote:

>I respect what you say there........but experience of
>working on Motown projects over the years has taught me
>GOLDEN RULE NUMBER ONE and that is to talk to the writer
>or producer BEFORE the artist
>If Gladys was given Grapevine a year before....who knows
>maybe the Miracles were given it a year before too. 
>Writers and producers, Norman Whitfield and Barrett
>Strong would be much more of a reliable source for this
>information than our dear Gladys.  However, don't put
>that as a put down of her book cos I want to say that
>that book was fabulous reading, one of my favourites of
>them all.

In the liner notes to GK&TP Ultimate Collection, it does
say that Norman Whitfield cut the song on Gladys, The
Miracles, Marvin Gaye, and The Isley Bros in the same
year. So her version might not be accurate. I do know
her version was released before Marvin Gaye's. I didn't
know about the other versions.  Hers was released
September 14, 1967. Does anyone know when The Miracles
version was released?


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Message: 15
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:12:18 -0800
   From: Ted T 
Subject: on the recommendation of friends

Subject: Free Musique / Nicoletta

Hey - I think I was the one on the list who originally
mentioned Nicoletta's La Musique (French version of
Angelica). Sorry it didn't please you David. (I still
think it's a dynamite track though, and streets ahead
of the Barry Mann version.)

But I sympathize with you. I have - and I'll bet most
of us have - a whole closetful of forgotten (and to me,
uninteresting) LPs and CDs that I've bought over the
years purely on the recommendation of friends, or of
reviews in MM, NME, Rolling Stone, Rock & Folk, etc. I
guess it's an occupational hazard.

And being a terrible person, I've spent a good part of
my life steering people to records, books and movies
that were nowhere in line with their tastes.

Even one Christmas, when, in a missionary spirit, I
gave copies of the Spector album "Echoes of the
Sixties" to people, it didn't turn out like I expected.
In my mind, I was already hearing a chorus of
enthusiastic thank-yous, like "I've never heard
anything so great!" or "It's been a real revelation to

Of course, the best I got were a few penetrating
comments like "Very interesting " or "I'm not really a
jazz fan."

My worst experience of this type was when I insisted on
dragging a bunch of friends crosstown to a rare late
night showing of "The Mysterians", the Japanese sci-fi
pic which I hyped as "one of the greatest movies ever
made." Many years later, memories of the glares I got
as we filed out of the theater are still enough to
chill me.

Ted T.


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Message: 16
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:04:52 EST
   From: Will George 
Subject: Re: Bryndle/Andrew Gold

Country Paul writes:

> I do know that Mr. Gold reads and responds to the
> e-mail in his discussion group at his website,
> Maybe
a groundswell would

> cause a release of what exists (of unreleased Bryndle
> material) on a limited-run basis.

Probably not. Andrew had left the group, so any
unreleased tracks would be from the trio of
Waldman/Bonoff/Edwards. I really have no idea what
any of them are doing now. They seem to have gotten
discouraged and vanished. Our loss!

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Message: 17
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:22:49 EST
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: Re: Paul Revere

In a message dated 2/28/02, drchilledair writes:

> Is there some way to tell the difference between the 60s
> original and the 80s reissue?

First of all, its NOT haircuts.....Sometimes its the
quality of the LP jacket. 8T's re-releases often have a
slicker finish. Then there's that lovely computer icon we
all know and love  IIIIIIIIIIII   And often you can see
it in the fine print somewhere...buyer beware of course..

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Message: 18
   Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:21:27 EST
   From: Will George 
Subject: Wind Beneath My Wings

Norman writes:

>In 1982 Colleen Hewett recorded " The Wind Beneath My
>Wings" on Avenue Records (BA 223025). It became an
>enormous hit in Australia, if not reaching #1 getting
>quite close to it in early 1983.
>I have a question about this.  Where would Colleen have
>sourced this song? The Bette Midler version surfaced in
>1988 six years after her version.

This song has been recorded by so many artists, I can't
give you the definitive answer as to who was the first to
record it. I am pretty sure the copyright is 1982 or 83.
The first version that I know of, and certainly the first
"hit", is by Gary Morris. It was a big hit on the country
charts in 82/83. Morris later went on to star on Broadway
in Les Miserables and is currently unaccounted for.


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Message: 19
   Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 06:10:58 -0600
   From: "Justin McDevitt" 
Subject: Re: Wind Beneath My Wings

Hi Will,

I don't know who first recorded this song,vbut I first
heard Wind Beneath My Wings as performed by Lou Rowles in
1982; my favorite rendition of this track.


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Message: 20
   Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 04:15:34 -0800
   From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
Subject: Re: Oh To Get Away

> Talkin' TOKENS...I was particularly fond of "She Lets Her
> Hair Down" (January, 1970) inspired by a Clairol
> commercial, but the flip side is even groovier, "Oh To
> Get Away" (To another place and day, etc.) Recently I
> spun that song for probably the 1st time in about 25
> years. The topic--getting away from a drudge job and then
> being anxious to go back to it--appears to be timeless!
> Can't locate my 45 right at the moment but this
> tragicomic song of whining at just under 2 minutes I
> think was penned either by the foursome or by Paul Leka.

The Tokens originally produced "Oh To Get Away" on Randy
& The Rainbows as the 1967 B-side to "I'll Be Seeing You"
on B.T. Puppy BPT-535.  The Tokens 1970 release of the
song uses the same backing track as the Randy & The
Rainbows original.

And you're right - it is pretty groovy (both versions)!


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Message: 21
   Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 04:31:06 -0800
   From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
Subject: The Castels

> Rocky Ridges/I'd Like To Know - The Castels, Laurie 3444:
> 1968 (A-32, B-68)
>  - A-side is really good soft psych; B-side is a good
> slow midtempo pop tune.

>Is this the same Castells who did "Sacred" on Era?

Paul, I really don't know.  How about I play it to musica,
and see what everyone thinks?

> May I contribute one, please?

Of course.

> Dancing Babies/Fat Lady In A Wicker Chair - Click, Laurie
> 3402: Sept., 1964

Duly noted.  Do you have the 45?


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Message: 22
   Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 04:45:07 -0800
   From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
Subject: The Red Coats

> > The Dum Dum Song/Love Unreturned - The Red Coats,
> > Laurie LR 3319: 1965 (A-33/B-42)
> Is this the same Red Coats group who did "I'm Only As
> Good" on Valiant?

Apparently they are one and the same.

And thanks to Roland for supplying the Red Coats links.

> Simon White writes:
> > I Still Love You/Stop, Look And Listen - Les Girls,
> > Laurie LR 3368: 1966 (A-97, B-Not Used) - Great 1966
> > girlgroup stuff! And I'm sure Rashkovsky would agree.
> Simon,  you've got great taste!
> Rashkovsky

Hey Mike, I said that (from hearing your 45!)!

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Message: 23
   Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 00:12:45 +1030
   From: "Norman" 
Subject: Re: Grass Roots


Three songs blew me away in the period 1965 -1966.

Eve of Destruction by Barry McGuire
Sins of A Family by PF Sloan
Where Were You When I Needed You by Grass Roots

All were written by Steve Barri and P F Sloan

For years I laboured under the impression that Steve
Barri and P F Sloan recorded Where Were You When I
Needed You as the Grass Roots.  And. that it is their
version that made it to the charts.

But further reading and visiting
seems to

imply that I could be wrong.  I suppose only PF Sloan

Barri and Sloan were supposed to have pulled in a group
called The Bedouins to become the Grass Roots.  Bill
Fulton's vocals replaced P F Sloan's on "Where Were You...".

The big question is which version was released as the

I have a great copy on Rock Graffiti Volume 2 (ABC
Records DXL2 - 7201) 1978 .  I'd like to believe it is
the Sloan-Barri version.  I'll play Sins of A Family
again and see if I can match the vocals on Where Were
You... . I think it's a foregone conclusion that the
musos are the same.


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Message: 24
   Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:10:02 -0500
   From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
Subject: Re: Bob Crewe Presents Dyno Voice CD

----- Original Message from: "Patrick Rands"
> I heard it got pulled by Crewe himself. Word is some
> copies hit the street - did anyone get a copy? I've
> been trying to track one down myself!
> :Patrick

If you're talking about "The Dynovoice Story"  yes, it did
come out. I was lucky enough to get a copy.  soon after,
bob crewe found out about it and demanded payment for the
use of his picture on the front......

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