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There are 25 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 386:

      1. The ol' remainder bins
           From: Stewart Mason 
      2. 10 for a buck twenty-nine
           From: Thomas Taber 
      3. Re: Bobby Vee and Marvin Gaye....As Long As I Know He's Mine...
           From: "John Lester" 
      4. Jimmy Webb's Pocketful of Keys
           From: "Jeff Lemlich" 
      5. Re: Anglos 'Incense'
           From: Simon White 
      6. Party Party Party
           From: John Rausch 
      7. Re: L.A. Visit
           From: "Michael Coleman" 
      8. Of Cabbages & Kings
           From: "Javed Jafri" 
      9. Re: Party Party Party
           From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
     10. The Anglos
           From: David Gordon 
     11. Diane Renay show
           From: Ronnie Allen 
     12. Re: John Simon
           From: Kevin Kern 
     13. Motown covers in reverse
           From: David Gordon 
     14. Montage
           From: Bob Rashkow
     15. 'Everybody gets to go to the moon.'
           From: James Botticelli 
     16. Re: The ol' remainder bins
           From: James Botticelli 
     17. Re: The ol' remainder bins
           From: Stewart Mason 
     18. 45 Grab Bags
           From: Doc Rock 
     19. Catching up: Ran-Dells, Hazan & Galaxies
           From: "Paul Payton" 
     20. Re: 'Everybody gets to go to the moon.'
           From: "Robert Conway" 
     21. "Rain and Shine" by the Canterbury Music Festival LP (BTPS 1018)
           From: Michael 
     22. Re: Montage/Jefferson
           From: "Robert Conway" 
     23. Change of address.......
           From: Joe Foster 
     24. the Mondo Mikes Cruizin Classic DOO-show 1gen
           From: MONDO MIKE 
     25. Re: Keith Colley / Playboys of Edinburgh
           From: Jason Penick 


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Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:57:32 -0700
   From: Stewart Mason 
Subject: The ol' remainder bins

I was lucky: my dad was a manager for the TG&Y variety
store chain (my fellow southwesterners might remember
them) and so I usually had first crack at the remainder
bins.  I got all of Badfinger's albums that way, as well
as some other Apple releases like the Billy Preston and
James Taylor releases. There were also a lot of the
Marble Arch reissues of early Kinks material there. And,
unfortunately, I remember seeing the covers of the first
two Big Star albums in those bins, but I didn't know who
they were! (Which is odd, since the first LP I ever
bought was the Box Tops' SUPER HITS on Bell.)

My all-time greatest (and weirdest) bargain bin find is
only Spectropop-related in that our own Joe Foster is
tangentially related: the original issue of the Times'
POP GOES ART! (on Whaam, with the minimalist cover with
the little piece of paper glued on the back cover listing
the song titles), which I found, of all places, at the
Best Buy Electronics store here in Albuquerque in the
spring of 1996, for the whopping price of 20 cents!

Stewart


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Message: 2
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:28:59 -0800 (PST)
   From: Thomas Taber 

Subject: 10 for a buck twenty-nine

One final remembrance: Did anyone else in the U.S.
around 1967 find white cardboard boxes with 10 45s,
the top visable one of which was "Rain"/"Paperback
Writer" on the black British Parlophone label? There
was a display of these at J.M. Fields in Rochester,
each box proclaiming the Beatles 45 inside.

Innocent that I was, I sold my 45 along with my white
label Swan "She Loves You" (what do you mean they
weren't all white labels? I bought mine no later than
Saturday 1/11/64, with pic. sleeve, after being amazed
that "S.L.Y." wasn't the flip of "I Want to Hold Your
Hand") to a Beatles "dealer" (what's that?) around
1975.

                  Tom Taber


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Message: 3
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:38:07 -0000
   From: "John Lester" 
Subject: Re: Bobby Vee and Marvin Gaye....As Long As I Know He's Mine...

Jeff Lemlich wrote:

>  Bobby Vee seemed to have quite a number of songs in the
> late 60s with the word "girl" in the title!

.....Interestingly, Berry Gordy wanted Marvin Gaye to  have
songs with an emphasis on the word "you"

and Phil Chapman wrote:

> If I didn't love The Marvelettes so much, I would say
> hers is the better version of "As Long As I Know He's
> Mine", certainly more punchy.


PHIL CHAPMAN......................Wash you mouth out with
salt and water...how can you say that about our dearest
Marvelettes - I just hope that Messrs Chapman and Patrick
don't see that!  Only joking.....LOL!!

BTW, my little lovelies, Velvelettes recorded "As Long As
I Know He's Mine" too..........IN FRENCH, I might add
(Cal majored in French at school but now she finds it
hard to even count up to 10!!  HEE HEE).............and
FYI, the session is actually pictured in the tray of
their US "VERY BEST OF"..second row of photos down from
the top.    Try singing "le plus marvellieu garcon du
monde" instead of "As long as I know he's mine" and you
have got it!!

John Lester


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Message: 4
   Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:48:00 -0500
   From: "Jeff Lemlich" 
Subject: Jimmy Webb's Pocketful of Keys

Paul Richards wrote:

> The Jimmy Webb Songbook on Sequel is also great with the
> fabulous Jefferson version of 'Montage' although the Love
> Generation's version comes pretty close. I also like
> Buddy Greco's 'Pocketful of Keys' and his version of
> 'Everybody gets to go to the moon.' 

I haven't heard Buddy Greco's "Pocketful of Keys" but
I've been playing Thelma Houston's great version A LOT! 
What a goosebumps kind of song! -- especially when her
voice seems to lose control after singing the line about
"the padlock on the his and hers garage"!

Jeff Lemlich



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Message: 5
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:46:56 +0000
   From: Simon White 
Subject: Re: Anglos 'Incense'

Thers another version of "Incense" by Owen Gray on Island
WIP 6000. Its the b side of "Help Me." It has Jimmy
Miller as producer too. There always was confusion and
myth over who the Anglos were. I seem to remember at one
time it was supposed to be George Clinton's Parliaments!


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Message: 6
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:08:27 -0500
   From: John Rausch 
Subject: Party Party Party

I just stumbled on this hidden gem buried away as an lp
filler track on the Pixies Three lp.

Never been a big fan of the Pixies Three sound although
Cold Cold Winter is the exception, obviously.

Anyone have any info on why Party Party Party was NOT
released as a single?

That song is great, I can`t believe it would be
relegated to a lp filler track.

Thanks
John Rausch


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Message: 7
   Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:35:26 -0700
   From: "Michael Coleman" 
Subject: Re: L.A. Visit

----- Original Message from: "Jake Tassell"

> Can any kind soul here give me a couple of pointers for
> 'places of interest for Spector/Beach Boys/W.O.S. fans'?
> (oh and perhaps some good record shops, radio stations
> etc)

Jake,

If in Hollywood, check out Aarons Records on Highland Ave.
(Pinks hot dog stand is at the corner of Highland and
Melrose-Phil Spector, Brian Wilson et.al. ate there while
on recording breaks at Gold Star), also chk Amoeba
Records on hollywood Blvd. More if I can think of
any......coleman.


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Message: 8
   Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:51:23 -0500
   From: "Javed Jafri" 
Subject: Of Cabbages & Kings

> P.S.  If Katherine Harris were a song, it would be
> "Maybelline"!

You mean she can't be true and has started back doing the
things she used to do ?

We better send her some Chad and Jeremy Records.

Javed


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Message: 9
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:02:09 -0500
   From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
Subject: Re: Party Party Party

> From: John Rausch 
> 
> I just stumbled on this hidden gem buried away as an lp
> filler track on the Pixies Three lp.

Hey John...how about [ playing it at musica ] so we can 
all hear it?

Your Friend,

Mikey


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Message: 10
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:05:16 -0000
   From: David Gordon 
Subject: The Anglos

The original issue of this single seems to have been on
Orbit 201 in '65 "Incense" / "Stepping Stone". It was
later picked up by Constellation and reissued as
Constellation 153 credited to Joe Webster and the Anglos.
I seem to remember that an ancient issue of Bomp said
that Orbit was a New Jersey label - this might give some
support to the possible George Clinton involvement as he
was based in New Jersey at that. However I've never seen
anything on George which mentions "Incense".

There's a 1967 Scepter single (12204) "Small Town Boy" /
"Since You've Been Gone" which they picked up from
Shiptown, a small Newport, Virginia label. I've no isea
if this is the same or a completely different group. One
of these tracks was on the "Big City Soul 4" CD issued
by Goldmine a few years ago - I can't get to my copy to
check which one it was.


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Message: 11
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:18:41 EST
   From: Ronnie Allen 
Subject: Diane Renay show

Thanks to all of you who have e-mailed me privately about
last night's Diane Renay show. Yes it was obvious that I
truly enjoyed doing the show with her and giving her the
opportunity to share all those great stories.

A couple of you e-mailed me to say you missed the show
and asked if it would be re-aired.

The answer, happily is YES. M-PAK will be rebroadcasting
the show at least one  time and possibly more. Date(s)
and time(s) have yet to be determined. Of course I'll let
everyone here know as soon as I find out.

If you haven't written to me but did hear the show I
would be most appreciative if you'd drop me a line and
let me know that you were tuned in. I also welcome all
comments and suggestions for future interview shows.

Speaking of which ..... one has already been firmed up .....
I'll be doing an interview show with Dale & Grace ("I'm
Leaving It Up To You" and "Stop And Think It Over") on
M-PAK Radio on Thursday, February 28, at 10 PM till
midnight.

I'd like to close this message with a few comments about
Diane Renay.

Back in 1966 I was on the social staff of the Concord
Hotel, working as a resident musician and entertainer.
One of my functions was to sit at the piano on evenings
and afternoons and invite people to request songs, which
I would be all too happy to play. (Since I could play by
ear I was able to play virtually any song whose tune I
was familiar with). 

One afternoon a gentleman came up and said "could you
play 'Navy Blue''? I thought it was an unusual request
(since "Navy Blue" had charted a couple of years earlier)
but I gladly obliged. After I played it the gentleman
said "Thank you so much! You're probably wondering why I
asked you to play that!" And I said "well I can't recall
the last time someone requested it." And he said "Well
the reason I requested it is because the person who
recorded that song is Diane Renay. And I'm Diane Renay's
father!" I must admit that for a few seconds I was a bit
skeptical ..... but then he added "and by the way,
Diane's sitting over there on that couch!".

I looked in that direction and there she was! Bye bye
skepticism, hello enjoyment!!!

I introduced myself and Diane and I talked briefly for
about five minutes. I recall that part of our discussion
related to how Bob Crewe achieved his unique sound on
records he produced.

Then Diane and I did our "nice meeting yous" and we
parted.

And I had a memory that I've always cherished.

Fast-forward 35 years. We all somehow got past the
dreaded Y2K bug and now the year is 2001. Diane Renay
puts up her own website. I e-mailed her and mentioned our
brief meeting at the Concord. She e-mailed back and told
me that she didn't recall it but her father did! She
explained that "my father remembers EVERYTHING!". 

Apart from being incredibly talented (if you think she's
only "Navy Blue" and "Kiss Me Sailor" then you simply
don't know Diane!) she is a most wonderful individual;
one of the warmest people in show business that I've ever
had the pleasure to interface with. I purchased her
double-CD "Diane Renay Sings Some Things Old And Some
Things New" last November as soon as I knew it was
available. a few months ago. I have played it over and
over. It is one of my all-time favorite CDs. My comments
on last night's show were totally sincere. It truly
amazes me that incredible recordings like "This Is Where
I Came In" and "The Gift Of Love," not to mention "City
Girl" (all written by the immensely-talented Phil Hurtt
and Ann Clark) did not even see the light of day in terms
of being released until Diane chose to include them on
her double-CD.

At the present time it is only available on her website,
which is www.dianerenay.com. You can presently sample
SOME of the tracks on her CD. Diane told me that in the
near future she will allow everyone to sample ALL the
tracks.


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Message: 12
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:09:45 -0500
   From: Kevin Kern 
Subject: Re: John Simon

"Paul Payton" asked:

> Re: the Rock Machine, "My Name is Jack - John Simon" is
> wonderful! Does anyone remember a song he did called "The
> Wabe" (as in, "Twas brilling and the slithy toves gyred
> and gimbled in the wabe")? What album was that on? Is it
> available? Weren't both those tracks from a movie? I
> forget the name....

Hi Paul,

The movie was "You Are What You Eat", and both tracks
are on the soundtrack. (Together with two other John
Simon tracks: Painting for Freakout, and Freakout (with
the Electric Flag.))

I enjoy your posts.

Cheers,
Kevin
At the Shore


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Message: 13
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:16:51 -0000
   From: David Gordon 
Subject: Motown covers in reverse

Much as I love Motown I just can't handle them covering
outside songs - most of the results have varied between
weak and downright awful with a few notable exceptions.

The Four Tops albums are littered with covers -
"Michelle", "Last Train To Clarksville", "I'm A Believer",
"Sunny", "If I Were A Carpenter" ( which Tim Hardin
loathed ), "Walk Away Renee", "Light My Fire" and on,
and on, and on ..

I really like "Walk Away Renee" but "LIght My Fire" is
ruined for me by the "sizzle, baby, sizzle" ad libs.

And what about Jimmy Ruffin's version of "96 Tears" -
I'll stick with ? and the Mysterians thanks.

"Stormy" by the Supremes is well worth hearing though.

Davie Gordon


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Message: 14
   Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:25:42 +0900
   From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Montage

Posted to the Spectropop Bulletin Board by Bob Rashkow
 on Thu, 14 Feb 2002 


--------------------------------------------------------
Paul Richards, on the recent forum thread, mentioned a
version of Montage on a Jimmy Webb Songbook CD by
"Jefferson". Two questions--1) is this the Jefferson that
scored a hit on Janus with BABY TAKE ME IN YOUR ARMS in
Feb. '70? 2) Is the PICARDY version (the one that REALLY
grabbed me on "super CFL" here in Chgo. in '68) available
on CD? (Have looked for it on vinyl) Already have the LOVE
GENERATION's album with this as the kickoff tune. Webb was
no Mike Brown or Curt Boettcher in my opibion but in
"Montage" he wrote one of the loveliest pop songs of the
late 60s!! 


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Message: 15
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:37:52 EST
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: 'Everybody gets to go to the moon.'

In a message dated 2/13/2002, Spectropop writes:

> I also like
> Buddy Greco's ..... version of
>'Everybody gets to go to the moon.'

That's the song the Three Degrees were singing in "The
French Connection" in the supperclub Popeye Doyle pops
into during the film....did not know that was Webb


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Message: 16
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:44:13 EST
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: Re: The ol' remainder bins

In a message dated 2/14/02, Stewart writes:

> the first
>two Big Star albums 

In 2002 they seem to have become The Greatest Band You
Never Heard...Can someone please enlighten the list--or
at least me--as to exactly who Big Star was and why
they've become so important to so many
musicologists?...TIA, JB


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Message: 17
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:52:34 -0700
   From: Stewart Mason 
Subject: Re: The ol' remainder bins

At 05:44 PM 2/14/02 EST, DJJimmyBee wrote:
>
> In 2002 [Big Star] seem to have become The Greatest 
> Band You Never Heard...Can someone please enlighten
> the list--or at least me--as to exactly who Big Star
> was and why they've become so important to so many
> musicologists?...TIA, JB

Big Star was Alex Chilton (ex-Box Tops singer), Chris
Bell, Jody Stephens and Andy Hummell, a Memphis group
of the early '70s who were unashamed fans of British
Invasion-style pop.  Their first two albums, #1 RECORD
and RADIO CITY, are considered power pop classics,
because they mix '60s-style hooks with this unusual
sort of strained, nervous sound (Bell, who left after
the first album, and Chilton were not the most stable
characters) that became terribly influential.  Their
third album (recorded in '75, finally released as
THIRD in '78 and now available under its working title,
SISTER LOVERS, on a fairly complete Ryko CD) is a
wildly praised -- some say overpraised, and they may
have a point -- album that's one of those records
where you can tell that the band is disintegrating as
you listen to it.

S


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Message: 18
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:26:19 -0500
   From: Doc Rock 
Subject: 45 Grab Bags

I remember in 1963 when I bought a grab-bag bundle of 45s.
I bought it because it had Jan & Dean's "Linda" on top.
Inside was "Young Girl" by Charmain and "Needles and
Pins/Did He call Today, Mama," by Jackie DeShannon. I
fell in love and swore I'd meet Jackie someday. It took
nearly 30 years, but I got my 2-hour interview!

Doc


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Message: 19
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:07:00 -0500
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Catching up: Ran-Dells, Hazan & Galaxies




Wow, what a site! Too bad it couldn't really continue. Not
as cool or deep as Spectropop, although I recognize
certain names from this list - and the Ran-Dells story is
priceless, definitely required reading. So what does Steve
Rappoport do today, besides keeping the site on the net
but dormant?

Re: Al Hazan site at
http://www.bellsisters.com/more-about-hazan.html
- this is

superb stuff, too. ( And I must make a correction: in an
earlier post I miscredited the song "Big Triangle" to a
different group; it's actually the Galaxies, written by
and featuring Al Hazan. Apologies all around. It's also
listenable on this site - and still sounds great.)

More as I clear the backlog - the Keith Colley additions
look fascinating. (And yes, I too like Colley's version
better than the Magic Lanterns, but on my DJ copy of the
record it was marked as the flip side.

Country Paul


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Message: 20
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:29:30 -0600
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: 'Everybody gets to go to the moon.'

I'll jump quickly in and out of this one...excuse me if
someone already mentioned that Thelma Houston had a
great LP of all Webb compositions in the late sixties
called "Sunshower."  I believe it was released after the
Fifth Dimension's "Magic Garden" LP of all JW
compositions.  Anyhow, Houston's LP was a left-field
shocker at the time in that she was a relative unknown
who was seemingly brash enough to tackle an LP of the
then immensely popular Webb.  The cover was outrageously
colorful with Houston as a bright sunflower as I recall.
Her version of "Everybody Gets to Go to the Moon" was/is
fantastic.  Unavailable here in the States, the LP is
now available on CD thanks to the (who else?) Japanese. 
-Bob Conway

> > I also like
> > Buddy Greco's ..... version of
> >'Everybody gets to go to the moon.'
>
>That's the song the Three Degrees were singing in "The
>French Connection" in the supperclub Popeye Doyle pops
>into during the film....did not know that was Webb


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Message: 21
   Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:09:48 -0000
   From: Michael 
Subject: "Rain and Shine" by the Canterbury Music Festival LP (BTPS 1018)

Hi folks - Please pardon the intrusion, but if anyone on
the list has this 1969 LP, would you please e-mail me off
list?

we now return you to...

thanks,

Michael


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Message: 22
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:13:52 -0600
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: Montage/Jefferson

"Jefferson," who had a nice run with the Rockin' Berries
as lead vocalist Geoff Turton, is the same Jefferson
that you are thinking about who had a mild hit (yes it
was played a lot in Chicago) with "Baby Take Me in Your
Arms."  The style/production/presentation seemed all
wrong at the time for the artist who wanted to build a
solid solo career (LP artist) and not just dabble with
singles.  The label certainly was not a powerhouse
although I bought the LP and found a number of very good
tunes including one of the best versions of "Shenandoah"
I had ever heard.  His Janus CD also included "Montage..."
and "Colour of Love." 

Anyhow, to answer your question, his best Rockin'
Berries' material and his best material from his career
as Jefferson is combined on the Collectables' label CD,
"The Rockin' Berries featuring Jefferson."  This LP is
the real deal with everything you will ever need by the
group and the solo artist. However, if you want only
Jefferson... and much more of him I recommend his
relatively new CD (available as a UK import) called
"Colour of My Love."  Hope that helps. -Bob Conway

>
>Posted to the Spectropop Bulletin Board by Bob Rashkow
> on Thu, 14 Feb 2002
>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>Paul Richards, on the recent forum thread, mentioned a
>version of Montage on a Jimmy Webb Songbook CD by
>"Jefferson". Two questions--1) is this the Jefferson that
>scored a hit on Janus with BABY TAKE ME IN YOUR ARMS in
>Feb. '70? 2) Is the PICARDY version (the one that REALLY
>grabbed me on "super CFL" here in Chgo. in '68) available
>on CD? (Have looked for it on vinyl) Already have the LOVE
>GENERATION's album with this as the kickoff tune. Webb was
>no Mike Brown or Curt Boettcher in my opibion but in
>"Montage" he wrote one of the loveliest pop songs of the
>late 60s!!
>


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Message: 23
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:20:41 +0000
   From: Joe Foster 
Subject: Change of address.......

Dear friends and colleagues....

I now have a new email address, which is


my poptones email is still operational, but is being
reserved solely for outstanding poptones
matters.....therefore any mail, business or personal,
should go to the new one.

thank you all

Joe Foster


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Message: 24
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:29:59 EST
   From: MONDO MIKE 
Subject: the Mondo Mikes Cruizin Classic DOO-show 1gen

MY name is Mondo Mike. I've been doing a DOO-WOP show for
many years called the Mondo Mikes Cruizin Classic
DOO-show 1gen. Broadcast every Sunday from 10:00am am
till 3:00 pm est over AM radio 1320 (serving listeners in
Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and Connecticut). The
program can also be heard on the world wide web
HTTP://WWW.WARL.TV. 

The program features interviews with groups e.g., Videls,
CORALS, etc., Record shops and labels that still
distribute vinyloldies, group harmony, a capella ,R+B and
the best DOO-WOP music this side of heaven. I still have
all the old jingles that I've kept since years ago - my
own productionss - and I still use them on my show. So,
group members, if you want the true Videls or whatever in
groups, history  here's where to go and talk about the
old days. I do this show out of the love, for fun and the
love of those great old days. FIGHTING TO KEEP DOO-WOP
ALIVE; MONDO MIKE.


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Message: 25
   Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:13:59 EST
   From: Jason Penick 
Subject: Re: Keith Colley / Playboys of Edinburgh

"Jeffrey Glenn" wrote:
> 
> Oh, and Curt Boettcher (and probably the other Millennium
> guys too - this was during the time that Usher was using
> them in the studio on his productions so they could make
> some money while recording the Millennium LP - Joey Stec
> are you on this?) is singing background on this single
> (he's very clearly audible on "Enamorado").

I'm posting the version of Enamorado that I've got to
the SP Sounds page. Could somebody let me know if this
is the original or the '68 Usher re-make? I'm dying to
find out...

>Bobby's single was excellent, but it was a nearly
>note-for-note duplication of the original by Texas band
>PLAYBOYS OF EDINBURGH (Columbia).  Bobby seemed to do
>well covering U.S. garage bands--   "Come Back When You
>Grow Up" (Shadden & The King Lears) and "Let's Call It A
>Day Girl" (the Razor's Edge), among them.  Bobby seemed
>to have quite a number of songs in the late 60s with the
>word "girl" in the title!
>
>Jeff Lemlich

Jeff, is there any way you could put POE's version of
"Look at Me Girl" at musica? I've been collecting
Columbia 45's for awhile and I've never been able to
obtain that one. Thanks!

Jason


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