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There are 18 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 380:

      1. Fake Beetles & Budget Superheroes
           From: Dave Gardner 
      2. GENEVIEVE GILLES
           From: Mick Patrick 
      3. Box sifting & PLEASE no more Fruit! (How about vegetables?)
           From: "Martin Roberts" 
      4. Juanita Banana-a-a
           From: "Lindsay Martin" 
      5. The Classics
           From: Simon White 
      6. Do The Ostrich
           From: "Jake Tassell" 
      7. RE: Superdupers and others....
           From: Joe Foster 
      8. Re: Shhh Here's a Trivia Tip
           From: Simon White 
      9. Re: Shhh Here's a Trivia Tip
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     10. RE: Ron Winters
           From: "Phil Chapman" 
     11. Mother You Smother You
           From: "John Lester" 
     12. You've Never Failed Me Before
           From: Michael Rashkow 
     13. Re: Box sifting & PLEASE no more Fruit! (How about vegetables?)
           From: Simon White 
     14. The Du-Ettes
           From: Howard 
     15. Re: The Du-Ettes
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     16. Re: the Du-Ettes
           From: Dave Gardner 
     17. Help me on this song..please..
           From: "Claudia" 
     18. Tell Me What He (She) Said
           From: Michael Edwards 

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Message: 1
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 08:41:57 EST
   From: Dave Gardner 
Subject: Fake Beetles & Budget Superheroes

There's a Pickwick/Design lp called Soundsville, where
'the Sounds of England' are represented by 'the
Roughnecks', another early Lou Reed pseudo-group...the
picture for them on the front is the same as one on
'Beats!!! - the Merseyside Sound'. Possibly the most
shameless fake-UK cash-in is 'the Liverpools - the Hit
Sounds From England' on Wyncote; one song is actually by
the Orlons!

There's also a pretty cool 'Batman and Robin' lp on
Tifton, (recently reissued), credited to the Sensational
Guitars of Dan & Dale, which is actually Sun Ra & the
Blues Project!

I love budget-rock. You never know who you'll find behind
the mask.

-dave (just joined)


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Message: 2
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:28:48 +0000 (GMT)
   From: Mick Patrick 
Subject: GENEVIEVE GILLES

Greetings,

Sheesh, I go away for a few days and return to find
60-odd Spectropop messages on the subject
of............BANANAS!

What I was hoping to find was another of Rashkovsky's
PINEYWOOD stories. Perhaps there's a tale to be told
about HELLO, GOODBYE by GENEVIEVE GILLES, released on
20th Century Fox in 1969 and produced by MIKE RASHKOW and
ELLIE GREENWICH. The label says it's from the movie of
the same name. The b-side is an instrumental titled
DANNY'S THEME. To my knowledge Miss Gilles made no other
records. That's all I know. What else is there to tell,
Mike? Quick, before they all start talking about haircuts
again!

MICK PATRICK


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Message: 3
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:21:27 -0000
   From: "Martin Roberts" 
Subject: Box sifting & PLEASE no more Fruit! (How about vegetables?)

Jan & Dean:-That was some story from Country Paul, I do
hope someone will follow up on The Emerald City Ramblers.
I did have a quick flick through some books and no
mention of Dean Torrance. Would love to hear it. Musica
please!

Dante/Evergreens:-Almost certain I've read that The
Hollywood Argyles was the first release followed quickly
with a 'spoiler' by Herb & Lou. Bit of a bummer
co-writing a Beach Boys song and not getting the credit.
His work with Bang and Bert Berns deserves a bit more
info!

Untouchables/Alley Cats/Happy Tones/Africa:-The
Untouchables "Poor Boy Needs A Preacher" is on Madison
128. C.P., When you get your PC's music sorted I'll send
it to you. (Not sure if it would appeal to many
Spectropoppers) The writing credits Coefield/Pipkin are
on a few of my 45's. One goodie I dug out is The Happy
Tones "Summertime Nights" (wr B Coefield-and following
Bryan's Alley Oop story R. Spencer)/Papa Shame (wr
Coefield/Pipkin) Colpix 693. I am only guessing (beside
The Alley Cats Spector history) but think it's safe to
assume they sang on the records they wrote. Anyone know
the history of these guys?

Slim Jim's:-Ooohh I'm so jealous! Can't think of many
better places to flick through dusty discs. Like C.P.
I've always taken a chance on cheap (some dear!) unknown
45's that have looked interesting. Lot of rubbish but I'd
reckon half of my favourites have come this way.

Pickwick City:-Following on Gregg Luvox & Peter McDonnell
news. I've a few super ones on this and related labels,
one to get some of you hunting is the Uptown Girls
"Summer Story"/"Crazy Talk" Pickwick City (where things
happen!) 1004. A-side a perky little number, hand claps
and whooohs galore with a trumpet blast at the start to
knock you of your seat! B-side more mellow but just as
infectious. Sung in the main in English but with verses
in French, Japanese & other tongues-I think. (Some of you
might have noticed that my grasp of English is not that
great! And as for 'foreign languages' Well, least said!

Donna Lee:-Simon White asked for info on this singer.
None to give but in the hope that any stories that follow
are as fun as Dora Hall's-the one 45 I own by Donna is
"Clown Town"/"The Stranger" Columbia 44272. Filed in the
space between rubbish and favourites, more a woman group
than a girl group but fairly appealing in a 'grown-up way'.

The What Four:-Nick Archer wanted a Discography, it's
looking like he won't get one.

In the absence of a more learned Spectropopper, a list of
45's. "Anything For a Laugh"/"Baby Can't You Hear Me Call
Your Name" Capitol 5449 (Jack Nitzsche's arrangement that
I'm sure caused the request for discography.)

"Baby, I Dig Love" (Wr Rudy Clark)/"It's Hard To Live On
Promises" Columbia 43711 (Great pic sleeve 4 'foxy'
looking chicks in tight white jeans and jumpers-if that's
your bag!)

"I'm Gonna Destroy That Boy" (Wr A & C Resnick & R
Dante)/"Ain't No Use In Crying Susan" Columbia 43843
(After "Anything...." my favourite) "Stop In The Name Of
Love"/"Asparagus" Tower 404 (For those of you waiting for
the vegetables!-B side male voiced 'novelty.' No 'The' in
group title but could be the same girls.

"Whenever"/"Do You Believe" Box 4000 (male garagey
harmony beat) "Will you Still Love Me Tomorrow"/"So
Lonely" Rampage 1701 (male group again, name What For?
possibly same group as Box. Shirelles cover might appeal
to soft poppers)

And that is all I can remember!

Martin


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Message: 4
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 19:08:30 +1000
   From: "Lindsay Martin" 
Subject: Juanita Banana-a-a

I don't suppose there's even a remote chance of [hearing]
"JB Part 2" up there in musica, is there?  Anyone?

Lindsay


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Message: 5
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:06:26 +0000
   From: Simon White 
Subject: The Classics

Thanks everyone for The Juanita Banana thread. I can now
go to my grave happy.

 And talking of  Classical music and opera, along similar
 [ ish ] lines, U.K. members wil be aware of The Vernons
 Girls " Dats Love", one of the best things ever recorded
by anyone anywhere at anytime and funny and brilliant in
a particularly subtle way.

Apart from obvious things like Lovers Concerto ....and
how many versions of THAT are there !?     [ Sonny Stitt
"Concerto For Jazz Lovers" and The Carmel Strings version
deserve a mention ] , what about The Apollas "Soul
Concerto "  The Dolls or Janie Grants  "  And That
Reminds Me " The Poppies   " Lullaby of Love "    ....is "
Theres A Pain In My Heart " based on something ? likewise
The Symphonics "Silent Kind Of Guy " or DiDi Noel "Let
The Music Play"  Shawn Robinson "My Dear Heart" The
Tiffanies "Its Got To Be A great Song"

And off on another tangent, "Nut Rocker" was one of the
first  things I ever bought and wore it out and who did
"Asia Minor" ?


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Message: 6
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:18:53 +0000
   From: "Jake Tassell" 
Subject: Do The Ostrich

Gregg said:

> Well of course you know Lou Reed out of college, took a
> job churning out original rock n roll tracks for this
> company. They were strictly a budget label situated in a
> warehouse space on Long Island near Lou's parent's home.
> What was it, they'd have to complete 20 songs before
> lunch? Eventually they thought they'd have a hit with one
> called 'The Ostrich' (because Ostrich feathers were so
> all the rage) and he put together a band to promote it
> and the rest is shall we say ...

Yeah, great track too, with the "Then He Kissed Me" riff
played on a guitar with strings all tuned to the same note
(a la The Glitterband).

"Cycle Annie" and "Sneaky Pete" were pretty fab too IMO.

Jake


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Message: 7
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 19:45:30 +0000
   From: Joe Foster 
Subject: RE: Superdupers and others....

The Long Island Pickwick operation Lou Reed worked for
after leaving Syracuse University seems to have  been
under the de facto command of early Spector collaborator
Terry Phillips....who also with Lou, John Cale, and
someone called Vance wrote "Why Don't You Smile" for the
All-Night Workers (the subject of some interest recently
I recall). A roundup of the stuff produced by the
Pickwick crew would be interesting. And how on earth did
the Downliners Sect come to cover "Why Don't You Smile"?
I'm sure someone on the list will come up with the
answers. 

Re: Alley Oop, Kim Fowley can still get very heated
about this whole issue. I had the full rundown once,
some frank views on Lou Adler and others were aired, See
Barney Hoskins' book on LA music for the basics of the
beef, and Stephen McParland's interview book with Kim
for some more. I'll leave it there. I guess we sometimes
forget that what to us is fascinating history is still a
niggling live issue to some of the people
involved!...Gary Paxton btw is currently working on some
reissues with Alec Palao, and I'm certainly looking
forward to some cool stuff coming of it.

Best, Joe


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Message: 8
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:13:09 +0000
   From: Simon White 
Subject: Re: Shhh Here's a Trivia Tip

Javed Jafri at wrote on 9/2/02:

> Triva fans go to this site and check out the two questions.
> The question and answer from last week as well as the
> question from this week will interest list members. Please
> no answers to this week's question on list. That would be
> just plain wrong. List member Jeff Lemlich is listed as
> one of the winners to last week's question. Congrats Jeff !

Javed , I for one don't know the answer to the question !

But I propose that one week we all make a concerted
effort to answer the question and make every one of the
winners a Spectropop member !


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Message: 9
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 18:21:45 -0000
   From: Jeff Lemlich 
Subject: Re: Shhh Here's a Trivia Tip

--- In spectropop "Javed Jafri" wrote:

> Triva fans go to this site and check out the two questions.
> The question and answer from last week as well as the
> question from this week will interest list members. Please
> no answers to this week's question on list. That would be
> just plain wrong. List member Jeff Lemlich is listed as
> one of the winners to last week's question. Congrats Jeff !


You didn't really think I'd miss a trivia question about
Peggy March, did you?  She lives here in South Florida
and still sings great.  My two favorites by her are
"Waterfall" and "This Heart Wasn't Made To Kick Around".

The Billboard trivia questions usually aren't very hard
(unless it's something really esoteric, such as birth
cities).  You're only allowed to win once a month, so
I'll leave this week's question to my fellow collectors!

Jeff Lemlich


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Message: 10
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:49:21 -0000
   From: "Phil Chapman" 
Subject: RE: Ron Winters

Guy:
> O.K. - so no one out there could help me with my Ron 
> Winters enquiry...

No info on Ron himself, here's some info on his 45s:

1963 Snow Girl/Motor City DIMENSION 1022 
1964 Back In The USA/Let Me Prove It to You DIMENSION 1029 
1964 How Can You Kiss A Sports Car/Red MG DIMENSION 1033 
1965 Big Black Bike/My Girl (My Mom) SMASH 1987
(ARTIST ON DIMENSION 1029 LISTED AS RW & PATRIOTS) 

The only one I have is "Snow Girl", kinda "Bo Diddley"
with sleigh bells. A Feldman, Goldstein, Gottehrer
collaboration. The UK 45 has a different flip: "In The
Middle Of The Morning", also FGG. Any chance we can hear "Big
Black Bike" ?

Phil


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Message: 11
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:10:21 -0000
   From: "John Lester" 
Subject: Mother You Smother You

The question was asked.....did the Supremes also do
Mother You, Smother You?

Well....yes but they didn't ALSO do it, it was THEIR
song.......the Supremes issued their original version of
the song on the US "Sing Holland-Dozier-Holland" (UK Sing
Motown).....interestingly, this song was actually
featured in a promotional film of Hitsville USA....you
see band leader Gil Askey lead the band with the 1-2-3...

Later Scott Regen (Detroit radio DJ) held a competition
on Detroit radio "Sing a Song with the
Supremes"........(Scott told me this himself, so I know
it's right!!)....the radio listeners were allowed to vote
for for their choice.  All the entrants were whittled
down to a list of three and the winner was Christine
Schumacher who Scott recalls with great fondness.
Christine went into the Hitsville USA studio and sung
over the backing track for Mary and Florence........it
was then pressed up on a very limited basis. Scott was
totally unaware that copies had leaked to the UK..and in
fact, was shocked when he played the jingle to me and I
knew it.  Talk about an experience for me.

Later in our conversation, he played me "Scotts On
Swingers" and I started singing it....he says to me.YOU
KNOW THIS!!!  I says "Scott, everyone north of Watford
knows this song like the back of their hand"  he just
looks at me with his mouth was open so wide, if a giraffe
had walked by, it would have fallen in!


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Message: 12
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:56:59 EST
   From: Michael Rashkow 
Subject: You've Never Failed Me Before

Does anyone out there in Spectropopland own a copy of
" My Father The Pop Singer"  Sam Chalpin on Atlantic.
If so, why? 


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Message: 13
   Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:05:57 +0000
   From: Simon White 
Subject: Re: Box sifting & PLEASE no more Fruit! (How about vegetables?)

Martin Roberts wrote on 9/2/02:

> Donna Lee:-Simon White asked for info on this singer.
> None to give but in the hope that any stories that follow
> are as fun as Dora Hall's-the one 45 I own by Donna is
> "Clown Town"/"The Stranger" Columbia 44272. Filed in the
> space between rubbish and favourites, more a woman group
> than a girl group but fairly appealing in a 'grown-up way'.

Martin, this is the only one I have too and it's filed
under favourites here!  As you say, more woman  than girl,
but that made me even more interested in who she is . And
Dora must have been 65-66 years old when she recorded "
Pretty Boy."

And  whereas I got a nice answer about The Telltales,
does anyone know who they were ?


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Message: 14
   Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 03:26:01 -0000
   From: Howard 
Subject: The Du-Ettes

Hi gang,

Anyone out there familiar with a song by the Du-Ettes
called "Please Forgive Me"? I had heard it years ago on
WCBC-FM in NYC. I've never been able to locate it, but I
actually was able to download it from Audiogalaxy tonight,
and it absolutely rocks. The only thing I know about the
group was that they morphed into "Barbara and the Uniques"
and may have been from Philadelphia. Any info about the
group, or ewven what year the song is from would be
appreciated. 

Howard


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Message: 15
   Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 05:57:01 -0000
   From: Jeff Lemlich 
Subject: Re: The Du-Ettes

--- In spectropop, Howard wrote:

> Hi gang,
> 
> Anyone out there familiar with a song by the Du-Ettes
> called "Please Forgive Me"? I had heard it years ago on
> WCBC-FM in NYC.

It was released on One-Derful 4827 in 1964.

> ...they morphed into "Barbara and the Uniques"
> and may have been from Philadelphia. 

You're right, Barbara Livsey was one of the vocalists.  
I'm not sure where they were from.

Jeff Lemlich



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Message: 16
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:50:05 EST
   From: Dave Gardner 
Subject: Re: the Du-Ettes

> Anyone out there familiar with a song by the Du-Ettes
> called "Please Forgive Me"? I had heard it years ago
> on WCBC-FM in NYC. I've never been able to locate it,
> but I actually was able to download it from
> Audiogalaxy tonight, and it absolutely rocks. The
> only thing I know about the group was that they
> morphed into "Barbara and the Uniques" and may have
> been from Philadelphia. Any info about the group, or
> even what year the song is from would be appreciated.

The Du-Ettes were on the (great) One-Derful, Mar-V-Lus &
M-Pac labels out of Chicago, around '63-'66. They were
affiliated somehow with the Five Du-Tones. Please Forgive
Me was reissued on 45 by Collectables; it's also on a
couple compilations (One-derful, Mar-v-lus Northern Soul
(Goldmine - UK) and Chicago Twine Time (Charly - Germany))

 It's an Andre Williams production, I think. There's more
info here;
(http://www.melingo.com/thesoulnet/marvlus.htm).


This is the stuff that got me started collecting old 45s.

-dave


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Message: 17
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 08:01:57 -0800
   From: "Claudia" 
Subject: Help me on this song..please..

In approx. 1962-64. I just loved a song called Time
Machine. It was on a red colorful label on the 45.. I
have never heard of it again...anybody remember this?

I remember the line "gonna build me a time machine..." 
Gosh, that was alot of help wasn't it??

By the way, I just got a pristine copy of Enamorado by
Keith Colley that I have looked for for years... remember
that one??

This list is simply the best I have ever seen. Thank you
for your assistance and time.


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Message: 18
   Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 15:19:44 -0500
   From: Michael Edwards 
Subject: Tell Me What He (She) Said

I saw some recent comments about the inferiority of
British cover versions of American records in the late
50s/early 60s. Probably true, but there were some
exceptions. Helen Shapiro's 1962 version of the Jeff
Barry song, Tell Me What He Said (UK Columbia; US Capitol)
blew the doors off an earlier version by The Playmates
(which is currently in musica). You sometimes see this
song credited erroneously to John (007) Barry and you
very rarely see it among Jeff Barry's considerable
accomplishments. As strong as the song is, I don't think
Jeff did anything with it again. Helen Shapiro's version
is out on many quality CDs and it ranks as one of the
great "almost over the top" records of all time.

And let's not forget also that The Brook Brothers'
version of Ain't Gonna Wash For A Week (UK Pye 1961) was
far superior to the version that turned up on the
flipside of Eddie Hodges' I'm Gonna Knock On Your Door
(US Cadence 1961). (This info brought to you because we
are a full service website). Eddie did redeem himself a
couple of years' later with a fabulous Spector (Phil, not
Jack) knockoff entitled Would You Come Back (US Columbia).
Written by Jackie DeShannon and Sharon Sheeley and
produced and arranged by the golden penetrator himself,
Terry (thanks, Mom) Melcher, it belongs on any list of
major league Spector soundalikes. But we all knew that.

I've got to edit my version of the Brook Brothers' Ain't
Gonna Wash For a Week as it comes from Pye Golden
Guinea's Honey Hit Parade album. It's the lead track so
it has Brit DJ, Kent Walton making an introduction and I
thought I'd spare you that.
Mike Edwards


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