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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this Digest Number 366:

      1. Nilsson pseudos and Kim Sisters
           From: "Spector Collector" 
      2. Re: Jeff Barry's Greatest Hits
           From: "lpintop"
      3. Dino? Are We talking Kenny Or Dean?
           From: "Martin Roberts" 
      4. Re: Favorite Jeff Barry Lyrics...
           From: "Laura.E.Pinto" 
      5. I will write songs that people pray to
           From: "Phil Chapman" 
      6. Phil Spector
           From: Brian Flaherty 
      7. Re: Lost In Wonderland
           From: "Martin Roberts" 
      8. Re: What Good Is I Love You
           From: "John Lester" 
      9. Corsairs
           From: "Phil Chapman" 
     10. Ellie, Dusty, Mike (& Mick too!)
           From: "Martin Roberts" 
     11. Re: Barry Mann We Gotta  Get Out Of This Place
           From: "Phil Chapman" 
     12. Fountains, Floridians (ex-Noo Yawkers)
           From: "Paul Payton" 
     13. Re: Remixing Spector
           From: "Phil Chapman" 
     14. Jaynetts Hoopla
           From: John Clemente 
     15. Things....
           From: "Paul Payton" 
     16. Re Etta James
           From: Michael Rashkow 


Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:51:56 +0000
   From: "Spector Collector" 
Subject: Nilsson pseudos and Kim Sisters

I've done a little research to try to help tsmbjjcd with
his or her question about The Kim Sisters and Country
Paul with his regarding Jimmie Cross and/or Harry Nilsson.

"tsmbjjcd" asks about Kim Sisters records from the '70s;
if there are any, then they may or may not be the same
Kim Sisters by whom I have five singles, all on Monument,
dating from mid-1963 to that label's first 1966 release.
I realize that owning records by a group isn't the same
as knowing anything about them, but here, for what it's
worth, is what I can tell you:

Monument 818 Love Star (Cindy Walker)/(They Say) You
Can't Have Everything (Joe Tanner); both sides with Joe
Tanner's Orch.; no producer/arranger credits Monument 829
We're Going Back Together (Hank Cochran)/Blueberry Pie
(Boudleaux & Felice Bryant); no other credits Monument
831 Mister Magic Moon (Greenwich/Powers)/Roses in the
Snow (Cindy Walker); both sides again with Joe Tanner's
Orch. but otherwise no credits; A-side is the same song
that The Gleams did much differently as a "Why Do Lovers
Break Each Other's Hearts" soundalike on Kapp Monument
900 Tic-a-Tic-a-Toc-Toc (Boudleaux & Felice Bryant)
/Bittersweet (Joe South); both sides arranged by Ray
Stevens and co-produced by Stevens and Fred Foster
Monument 914 No Sad Songs for Me (Tom Springfield)/Just
Like Taking Candy from a Baby (Jerry Reed); same credits
as above

I doubt that it's related, since it's from 1958, but
there's a damn cute single on RCA 7196 by Moon Kim: I'm
Dingy Dongy Over You/Oriental Hop. Anyway, no mention of
Bob Alcivar or Tom Bell in the lot.

Now all the Kim trivia's off my chest, it's on to that
Nilsson by any other name, Harry. I just listened to the
Jimmie Cross single "Hey Little Girl (Do Ya Wanna Get
Married)" on Chicken 101, and don't believe that this
could possibly be Nilsson's voice. It sounds enough like
Jimmie to suit me. (This track is included on the demo
album "New Nilsson Songs," discussed here recently.)

I do know of two occasions upon which Harry released solo
singles under pseudonyms: Do You Wanna (Have Some
Fun)/Groovy Little Suzie as by Bo-Pete on Try 501
(distributed by Crusader Records) and, much later, Joy/I
Guess the Lord Must Be in New York City as by Buck Earl
on RCA 0755. I have no idea why the disguise on the
earlier record, but I understand that he wanted to see if
he could grab some sales in the "straight" country market
with his tongue-in-cheek Nashville ripoff "Joy," which
explains the name change there. I've never heard whether
the ploy worked. Anyone know?


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Message: 2
   Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:54:50 -0000
   From: "lpintop" 
Subject: Re: Jeff Barry's Greatest Hits

Don Charles wrote:
> Attention, Laura Pinto: Got any additions or corrections
> to this list, LP?
> Don Charles

Ten days later, Laura answers the call.  (This will give
you an idea of how my last couple of weeks have been

Anyhoo, my favorite Jeff Barry songs (as writer,
producer, singer, you name it), in addition to Don's Top
25 list:

1) "Let Me Bring You Up" - Ron Dante
2) "Together We Two" - Archies
3) "Who's Your Baby" - Archies
4) "I Can Hear Music" - Beach Boys (I've never heard the
Ronettes version, believe it or not) 
5) and 6) "Baby I Love You" and "Be My Baby" by both the
Ronettes and Andy Kim
6) "Da Doo Ron Ron" by the Raindrops and the Crystals
7) "Where it's At" - Jeff Barry
8) "Doo Wah Diddy Diddy" - the Raindrops

I guess I should add "Tell Laura I Love Her" to the list
but it's such a sad song!  Jeff and Ben Raleigh
should've just given Tommy amnesia or something instead
of killing him off.  (But I guess that wouldn't make any
lyrical sense ... "Tell ... uh ... what's her name I
love her.")


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Message: 3
   Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:06:18 -0000
   From: "Martin Roberts" 
Subject: Dino? Are We talking Kenny Or Dean?

Well thanks to Frank, JB & John for your sympathetic
remarks! But you can not understand what it is like
having to live alongside Dean at home and at work almost
24 hours a day!!! Sue is acting how I would have, with
out the restraints of a wife to support and child to
raise! CCM releases? Dino Latino?  Yes, Yes, & Yes! But
what about the 4 Bear family Box Sets, Videos, DVDs,EBay?
it just goes on & on! (Have to admit though he is pretty

When I can get away from Dean Martin and read the
Spectropop digest(!) what better music to play than Kenny
Dino, not quite as many hits as our Dean-just one "Your
Ma Said You Cried In Your Sleep Last Night" Musicor.
Sharing the label "Rosie, Why Do You Wear My Ring" ....."
and one release I have on Smash "You Had Your Chance" are
Schlacks-Farber Productions (the team behind Alice
Wonderland etc.). Another Smash "I Wanna Know" is co wr
(with Art Kaplan) & co prod by Kenny (with Leroy Glover).
A little later on Columbia "Show Me" wr & pr  by Feldman
Goldstein Gottehrer. Add to this Mr Dino's writing (and
I'm sure I read somewhere producing) of the cutest girl
group track this side of The Pixies Three-"I've Learned
My Lesson in Love" by The Candy Stripes on VIM. Here we
have an artist that deserves attention.

What does he sound like? An Elvis clone!!! But don't let
that put you of! Most are beaty, girly backed stompers.
Pick of the bunch, first one I bought and the one on my
jukebox (roll of drums...."and the winner is...")"You Had
Your Chance". I love it!!! Pounding drums, boy & girl
back ups, Da Do Ron Ron piano. If Phil produced Elvis
(without any egos getting in the way) this is what it
should have sound like!! Martin

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Message: 4
   Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:01:11 -0000
   From: "Laura.E.Pinto" 
Subject: Re: Favorite Jeff Barry Lyrics...

--- In spectropop, "Don Charles" wrote:
> Another of my favorite Jeff Barry lyrics, from The
> Archies' "Bang-Shang-A-Lang" single: "I walked right up
> and said 'how do you do, do, do?'/She said, 'I bet I'll
> do as good as you."  And from a children's song, yet!
> That's STONE Jeff!

Oh, lots of the Archies songs were titillating to the
senses (especially since I was hitting adolescence at
full speed during the Archies and Ron Dante heyday of
1969 through 1971).  How about this lyric from Jingle
Jangle, which is good for a giggle:

"It's my true heart I'm showin' / or my nose would be
growin' / you know that it gets longer when I lie."

That line takes on added significance when you realize
that it's not a female singing lead on JJ but Ron D. in
falsetto.  (Or maybe I just have a dirty mind.)

And who can forget the breathless dialogue which opens
"Who's Your Baby?"

Her: "Now you tell me, how much do you love me?"
Him (huskily): "Oh, about this much..."
Her: "Mmmmm, heavy!"

Time to hit the cold shower after that song's done

Laura :)

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Message: 5
   Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:50:11 -0000
   From: "Phil Chapman" 
Subject: I will write songs that people pray to

"I will write songs that people pray to" When former
Rolling Stones manager Andrew Loog Oldham first met Brian
Wilson, the drug-fuelled Beach Boy made an extraordinary
boast. Then, one night at the Hollywood Bowl, it all came

Friday January 18, 2002

>From LSD in London, through cocaine in Columbia to Latte
with Lou Adler  - ALO's recollections - entire article
posted to the files section. A good read!

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Message: 6
   Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:31:36 -0000
   From: Brian Flaherty 
Subject: Phil Spector

I noticed that Phil is *rumoured* to be interested in
producing Starsailor.

Starsailor with Phil Spector

>From the photo Phil looks as though he has had a recent
grease and oil change.Smiling broadly,longish kempt
hairstyle tallish and somewhat radiant. He looks more
"with it" than some of the artists around him.

One question; Are Phil and Starsailor synergistic or is
this another of the series "Phil Spector was interested
in producing us....etc etc"


Brian Flaherty

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Message: 7
   Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:46:19 -0000
   From: "Martin Roberts" 
Subject: Re: Lost In Wonderland

> This is really a very special record. Do any
> of [Shelby's] others compare?

Hi Jamie,

No, I can't do it! Be precise & to the point, I've got to

Thanks for the 'review' of Wonderland, Jamie, yea I love
it to bits. Country Paul & I both listed a few faves but
in my book none reach this standard. "Lonely
Cinderella"-same credits as "Wonderland" is sweet sort of
'soft' Paris Sisters. "Cast Your Fate To The Wind" has a
'harder' (Shelby Flint-Hard!) edge to it very similar
style to Beverly's UK record on Deram produced by Denny
Cordel "Happy New Year" I'd have to check record but
think they we're both released about the same time. I
couldn't recommend all her records all well produced and
'classy' but 'The Riddle Song', "I Love A Wanderer? I'd
even prefer to listen late 60's Laurie records!!

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Message: 8
   Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:44:41 -0000
   From: "John Lester" 
Subject: Re: What Good Is I Love You


I found your "histoire" absolutely fascinating.........I
hope you don't mind but I sent it to Paul Howes of the
Dusty Springfield

I find it hard to believe that Dusty would replace a US
drummer with a UK drummer, with what was written about
her feelings towards UK musicians in her early 60's years.

I would just say that you might have not been as happy
about recording Dusty if it had actually taken place!  I
remember seeing a TV interview in France from The Pet
Shops who said that patience was the name of the game for
anyone wanting to record with Dusty.  Apparently she
would sing one word (actually they said syllable but
that's not the point!!) and then stop.  The recording
process would then have to repeated like that and it
meant that it took a l-o-n-g time to finish just one song.
I can now perhaps understand why Dusty only recorded half
of her "Reputation" CD with the PSB's!!!!!!!. Mind you,
what classics that album produced.  IMHO, her best album
since her (also very short timewise!!!) Philly album.

Bless her............and if you are looking down here
Dust, I still luvs ya!

Michael Rashkow writes:

> Hey, don't blame me, huh. Send your nasty letters to
> Mick. He's the one who invited me over.

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Message: 9
   Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:28:55 -0000
   From: "Phil Chapman" 
Subject: Corsairs


>  ...a record I love so much it hurts me--Smoky Places,
> The Corsairs (featuring Jay Bird Uzell???). somebody
> please write out the words to those background/bass
> parts, I'm tired of faking it.

You might get a better idea from the stereo version,
which has all the vocals over to one side. It's
fascinating how something as nonsensical as "I diddle
iddit - t'tang tang b'doo" can set the mood so
appropriately. (No, I don't want to start a thread about
ridiculous backing vocals)

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Message: 10
   Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:09:56 -0000
   From: "Martin Roberts" 
Subject: Ellie, Dusty, Mike (& Mick too!)

Strewth! Do us a favour - only just sent a reply to the
last digest! Thanks Michael for sharing such a great
story! And of course Mick, he always knows the best
questions to ask!


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Message: 11
   Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:57:43 -0000
   From: "Phil Chapman" 
Subject: Re: Barry Mann We Gotta  Get Out Of This Place

> But was that an Animals riff, or was it on the Barry Mann
> demo, even if no one can find a copy, do you know?

Barry demo'd it with that same riff on bass and piano,
somewhat slower. A version is available on his CD "Soul
And Inspiration", and I think was used last year in the
UK for a car advert.

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Message: 12
   Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:56:54 -0500
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Fountains, Floridians (ex-Noo Yawkers)

Bob Conway wrote:

> You can have a whole CD by the Wonders...kind of.

Agreed emphatically! Fountains' "Utopia Parkway" is superb,
end to end. Lots of Spectro-styled and Spectro-evolved
work there. Unfortunately the gorup is said to have
disbanded. It's sad Adam won't do "The Wonders" tracks -
they're so damn good!

More Schlesinger: IVY - their latest CD Long Distance (as
I've mentioned here before) is right up the Spectro Alley,
especially the exquisite "Edge of the Ocean."

Live music update: my wife and I saw the Legends, aka the
Florida Legends, aka The Legends of Doowop, including
Jimmy Gallagher, lead of the Passions ("I Only Want You,"
1960); the lead of the Imaginations ("Hey You," 1960) and
bass of the Five Sharks; and the formerly-discussed-here
Tony Passalaqua, lead of The Fascinators ("Chapel Bells,
"Oh Rosemarie"). Tony was amazed when I mentioned that he
had been a topic of discussion on this list, and
appreciated being remembered. If you even like doo-wop at
all, THIS is the group to catch when they're in your area.
Apparently they have a CD on Crystall Ball, but a better
one will be available on Ace (UK) (if I got my info
straight - corrections welcome).

As the Carson screen said, "More to come...."

Country Paul

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Message: 13
   Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:42:12 -0000
   From: "Phil Chapman" 
Subject: Re: Remixing Spector

Michael Marino:
>I believe "All Things Must Pass" is one of PS's
>production triumphs from the 70's.

I agree, and I think some of these tracks marked the end
of the line for the fervent style of his previous Philles
productions. "Awaiting On You All" is kind of "River Deep...",
and "Wah Wah" has always reminded me of the hook line of
The Crystals' "I Wonder".

Quoting from the CD booklet:

"... All these years later I would like to liberate some
of the songs from the big production that seemed
appropriate at the time, but now seem a bit over the top
with the reverb in the wall of sound."

I don't necessarily share that opinion. Me ol' mate Jon
Astley, the remastering engineer on the CD reissue, said
that George had initially enquired could the echo be
removed? Thankfully the answer was no, but I believe there
is now some equipment to do just that.

And on the subject of remixing, I think it's easy to
forget that 60s material was balanced to sound good on a
single loudspeaker (or AM radio), and cutting it to vinyl
often added punch to the mid-range. Many of the classic
Motown 45s sound more powerful than the tapes they were
mastered from. These days with multi-crossover units and
stereo FM, the original mono balances can sound peculiar
next to contemporary recordings. I find it interesting to
hear the various components spread across the stereo,
although sometimes less 'magical'. The good remixing
engineers somehow achieve this clarity and yet retain the
original impact. Of course, the concept of remixing these
days has gone even further: the vocal tracks are handed
over to musician/programmers who construct an entirely new
backing track around them. What next!

In the files area checkout a 1973 tongue-in-cheek 'remix'
of The Blossoms "Things Are Changing".

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Message: 14
   Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:08:44 -0500
   From: John Clemente 
Subject: Jaynetts Hoopla

Hello Everyone,

Whoa!  All this talk over "Sally Go 'Round The Roses". 
Actually, you could take everything that has ever been
written about the group, throw it up in the air, take the
ten pieces of paper closest to your feet and still have
basically the same story.  I think that both Zell Sanders
approach and Rex Garvin's attitude about the group are
strikingly similar, with one exception. Zell didn't CARE
who was in the studio, she just wanted to make records. 
When I asked Rex who the ladies were in the first group,
second group, etc., he said he didn't remember all of
them and didn't CARE because, at 15, he just wanted to
meet girls.  Don't get me wrong, it was not an easy
history to research, with most of the principals being
deceased. The only thing I can say that I feel is not
accurate is

> Spector liked "Sally Go 'Round The Roses," but wasn't
> sure about the Jaynetts. Instead, he wanted to have
> Johnnie Richardson backed by members of the The
> Hearts --- Hazel Crutchfield, Louise Harris, Joyce
> Weiss, and at various times, Betty Harris and Baby
> Washington --- instead.

Joyce West, Hazel Crutchfield were long gone by the time
"Sally" came out in 1963.  They were the first group who
recorded the R&B hit, "Lonely Nights".  Betty Harris was
in the same group as Lezli and didn't stay long.  Baby
Washington made a clear break and was a minor star in
1963, recording for Juggy Murray.  Now I've never heard
"Winky Dink", so something may very well have been pulled
out of the can and embellished, as Zell was known to do
that, according to Lezli Valentine.  I think that if we
think of The Jaynetts as anyone who was available to sing
at the time, we can rest easier.  The name changes were
Zell's way of getting more than one single played at the
same time, like merchandising.  The only exception is the
Jaynetts name being used once in 1958, for a Baby
Washington led Hearts single.  Why?  Because Zell already
had a new group of Hearts and didn't want to waste the
master! OOOhhh!  I'm getting the same headache I had when
I was sifting through my notes to put together this
chapter for my book.

Sally Go Round the Roses


John Clemente

P.S.  Lezli's other All Platinum single was her version
of "Love On A Two-Way Street", which she claims she
helped write but didn't get the credit.

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Message: 15
   Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:17:16 -0500
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Things....

Re: Longevity sweepstakes - do I hear anyone givin' it up
for B. B. King and Ray Charles (the latter famous in some
part for his forerunning "girl group," the Raelettes)?

Jeffrey Glenn: though I can't [listen at] musica (still
working on it), I'd like to see a list of your favorite
Laurie 45's. (I remember a pretty good one by Steel Horse
Henry - forget the name of the song, but always loved the
band's handle.) Laurie was one of my favorite indie
labels, but the Laurie page lists only albums.

Side note: "Laurie" was named for early partner Allen
Sussel's daughter. "Jamie Records," according to Frank
Lipsius, was named for early partner Allen Sussel's son!
(By the way, Frank didn't remember who or what "Guyden"

I've seen David Bash's name here a lot; I worked with an
Israeli-born gentleman of the same name who was a video
producer in NYC and subsequently moved to Florida. One
and the same?

Don Charles: Glad I was misinformed - Viva Jeff Barry!

To Jamie: now that you've heard Shelby Flint's
"Wonderland," find "Pipes for Keith" - with bagpipes no
less; gorgeous and mournful.

Tipsy Dave: thank you for the "Soulful Kind of Music" URL
(but the site throws off more cookies than a Kdebler
factory). I just ordered the "Uh-Oh" CD with the sample
of the Jaynettes on it; looking forward to seeing what
the rest is like.

Country Paul

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Message: 16
   Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:09:37 EST
   From: Michael Rashkow 
Subject: Re Etta James

Mick Patrick wrote: 

> Etta James is one magnificent artist....


Thanks for your usual informative, well structured and
interesting post on Etta- didn't know she was Jamesetta
Hawkins among other things. 

I will head directly for the nearest Barnes and Noble or
Borders and buy Rage To Live--sounds terrific. 

If you are aware of an older artist, the late Ethel
Waters, you may want to seek out her autobio, His Eye Is
On The Sparrow. 

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