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There are 24 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Spectropop - Digest Number 364:

      1. Re: St.Cliff & St. Phil?
           From: "Justin McDevitt" 
      2. Keith Beach swear word
           From: "Keith Beach" 
      3. Re: Barry Mann Gotta Get Outta This Place
           From: Bruce Kerr 
      4. Re: CONCRETE & CLAY
           From: Bruce Kerr 
      5. Re: That Thing You Do
           From: "Robert Conway" 
      6. Re: that thing you do!
           From: Bruce Kerr 
      7. Re: Walkin' in the Sun with Jeff Barry
           From: "John Lester" 
      8. "Summer All Year Round" by Miss Frankie Nolan
           From: Ronnie Allen 
      9. A sound dissolved in the dawn?
           From: "Stratton Bearhart" 
     10. Hari and TTYD
           From: Scott 
     11. Re: Walkin' in the Sun with Jeff Barry
           From: "Don Charles" 
     12. Re: Keith Beach swear word
           From: Michael Rashkow 
     13. Re: Re: Bob Crewe
           From: Michael Rashkow 
     14. RE: Decades of meaningful popularity
           From: Michael Rashkow 
     15. Re: Laurie 45's/Hank Shifter
           From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
     16. re: PATRICE HOLLOWAY
           From: Mick Patrick 
     17. Re: Judge not lest ye be judged
           From: Michael Rashkow 
     18. MIKE RASHKOW / DUSTY SPRINGFIELD
           From: Mick Patrick 
     19. Patrice
           From: "David Bell" 
     20. Favorite Jeff Barry Lyrics...
           From: "Don Charles" 
     21. Dean Martin/Bow Down and Worship
           From: John Briggs 
     22. Re: Dino's Destiny
           From: James Botticelli 
     23. Re: Favorite Jeff Barry Lyrics...
           From: "Vincent Degiorgio" 
     24. Patrice!
           From: "Don Charles" 


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Message: 1
   Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:40:02 -0600
   From: "Justin McDevitt" 
Subject: Re: St.Cliff & St. Phil?

-----Original Message from: Martin Roberts 

> I'd forgotten about Mr Clean, the Peter Pan Of Pop,
> Sir Cliff Richard! I do have a lot of respect for
> Cliff (the man not so much his music) hugely
> unfashionable to be a Christian-who is not shy of
> letting the world & his brother know!-in the 'seedy'
> world of pop. He has stood up to ridicule, sneering
> and (unfounded?) rumours for years. A good example to
> our young 'uns!

Hi Martin and Group,

First of all, Frank's biggest chart hit, Strangers In the
Night, was released in May-June 1966. Other followup hits
included That's Life, Something Stupid, (with daughter
Nancy) and of course, My Way (I believe from 1969). 

In the mid 60's Dean forayed further into popdom with
such hits as Everybody Loves Somebody Sometimes, In the 
Misty Moonlight, and the unforgettable track, Houston (just
kidding folks). 

Even Sammy, God rest his swingin soul, charted a few: In
the Shelter Of Your Arms; (1963) I Gotta Be Me: (1969)
and of course, Candy Man, (1972), his biggest hit ever, a
fact that no doubt caused Sammy no end of heartache and
angst; though not bad in the wallet department.

THE KING put a few knotches on his hit-belt with Return
to Sender, (1962) Evil In Disguise and no doubt some
others during this time, plus some chart-toppers at the
end of the decade: In the Ghetto, Kentucky Rain and
Suspicious Minds. 

I too respect Cliff Richard for his sheer staying power
and longevity in the music industry and for rising above
the slings and arrows that have been launched his way by
folks who question his legitimacy as a "rocker" because
of his Christian beliefs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but
Cliff was laying down the groove pretty nicely in the
late 50's and early 60's and was a real departure from
the blend of dance-hall and pop music that was plaguing
the English airwaves at the time. For me, as an American
who didn't hear much of this music until after its heyday,
I'm a yank who has a real love for pre-British Invasion
rock.

Like Cliff, I am also a Christian. Even as my faith has
deepened over the years, the breadth of music that I
listen too hasn't changed much, though there are certain
movies and music that I choose not to attend or listen to,
though I try and understand/respect a person's right to
individual expression. The litmus test for me is,
particularly when it comes to exploring the "darker side"
is does this song give me life, or take away life, hurt
my spirit, etc. Sure, sometimes I "cross the border or
zigzag a bit, but after a while, I'll turn off the CD player,
or even leave the theater or commedy club (particularly
if much attention is given to putting down Christianity)
and I'm starting to feel "brought down, or treating it as
a joke with no relevance in today's world. It is ignorant
and shortsighted to think that all Christians are cut
>from the same bolt of cloth; all of them condemning the
world and its vices. Again, I try to practice discernment
and set some boundaries, where appropriate.  

So it's not often that I'll pull out my Black Sabbath
records, though I think I gave them away some years ago.
I admire Ozzie for still being alive and being erect, or
should I say standing erect, (you see, Christians have a
sense of humor too) for all the drink and drugs he has
ingested over the years. He's starting to sound a little
long in the tooth. He has this permanent slur in his
voice, more pronounced then Keith Richard who "embraced
life's excesses to the fullest". 

I'm' a rock and roll guy who tries to stand up for my
Christian faith in claiming Jesus as my Saviour. You
gotta believe that Jesus loves rock and pop music. When I
comtemplate an eternity in heaven, however that will look
or be, I know that there will be a giant listening room
with perfect acoustics an a cosmic sound system which I
can visit at my leisure to listen to the music that
helped to sustain me through the rough times and lifted
me up in affirming the good memories, positive learning
experiences and loving people that shaped my life and
character while on this earth. DO I HEAR AN AMEN! 

Justin


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Message: 2
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:15:35 -0000
   From: "Keith Beach" 
Subject: Keith Beach swear word

John Lester wrote:

> yeah, what is an MP3 - sounds like a Keith Beach
> swear word to me....so it must be something
> technical and complicated...

*{?!%^~****+   YOU!!!! 

MP3 is a sequel to the fabulous movies MP and MP2.
Streaming Media is when a whole Adverising Agency is
down with Flu.
  

keith beach 


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Message: 3
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:27:47 EST
   From: Bruce Kerr 
Subject: Re: Barry Mann Gotta Get Outta This Place

...speaking of Barry Mann's "We Gotta Get Out Of This
Place" (I hadn't realized that wasn't an original
"Animals/Eric Burton" song), around Christmas the group
was talking about best bass riffs. Well the above song
had a killer bass groove.

But was that an Animals riff, or was it on the Barry Mann
demo, even if no one can find a copy, do you know?

Best regards,

Bruce


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Message: 4
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:23:39 EST
   From: Bruce Kerr 
Subject: Re: CONCRETE & CLAY

Mikey,

Any chance to hear "Get Closer" on musica on spectropop?

Bruce Kerr


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Message: 5
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 01:31:32 -0600
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: That Thing You Do

>From: "Paul Payton" 

>I think "That Thing You Do" ... soundtrack CD is
> outstanding - I want a whole CD by the Wonders!

Paul--You can have a whole CD by the Wonders...kind of.
Actually you can have two that I know of.  Please read
on: In the early stages of putting his movie together,
Tom Hanks posted an ad in one of the music journals
(maybe Billboard) looking for an original song that
captured the sound and the magic of the early Beatles-era.
Tom required a tune that was snappy, poppy, bright,
catchy, etc.  I'm sure he received many audition tapes
but he said when he heard the song that that was
written/submitted by Adam Schlesinger he knew it was the
exact tune he was looking for.  Short ending, here
goes...Adam had a group at the time called The Fountains
of Wayne.  The group still may be together, I'm not sure.
They had at least two CDs.  Adam was not moved by the
movie/song's success and vowed to never play the tune in
public.  Too bad, because his Fountains of Wayne play
music that stylistically is really not that far removed
>from "That Thing You Do."

-Bob Conway


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Message: 6
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:40:13 EST
   From: Bruce Kerr 
Subject: Re: that thing you do!

...you're right about "That Thing You Do" being accurate
of the times. 

Over Christmas we were discussing the band I was in at
the time (The 5 Bucks 1965, became Byzantine Empire
1968 ("Snow Queen"). That film could have been a
documentary of our small rise w/ Bill Traut, and ultimate
miss by '69.

The news of the 1st record while in the kid's father's
hardware store was most like one of our band's moments.
You look at each other with different eyes for a moment.

Bruce Kerr


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Message: 7
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:57:19 -0000
   From: "John Lester" 
Subject: Re: Walkin' in the Sun with Jeff Barry

----- Original Message from: Jeff Lemlich

> Don Charles wrote:   
> 
> > [Jeff Barry] sang a version of his 1973 country song 
> > "Walkin' In The Sun" (later covered by Gene Pitney  
> > and Glen Campbell) which was unfortunately edited
> > out of the film. 
> 
> There was also a nice version of "Walkin' In The Sun"
> recorded by Percy Sledge.  

R Dean Taylor issued his version of "Walkin' In The Sun" 
after he left Motown


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Message: 8
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:10:55 EST
   From: Ronnie Allen 
Subject: "Summer All Year Round" by Miss Frankie Nolan

I know this question is unseasonable but nevertheless :)

Do any of you remember a recording by Miss Frankie Nolan
called "Summer All Year Round"? I think it came out in
1961. WABC in New York City played it. It never became a
national hit but I thought it was extremely catchy. I'd
love to get a copy of it but I assume it's been long long
out-of-print and quite rare. I may be mistaken but I think
Bob Crewe produced it.


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Message: 9
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:22:40 -0000
   From: "Stratton Bearhart" 
Subject: A sound dissolved in the dawn?

I have followed with interest the small intermitent posts
regarding the relationship between soft pop and
psychedelic sounds. (James Botticelli 21 Oct 2001). The
intelligent observation that psychedelic music did not
constitute a genre is fascinating, as is its
appropriation by some soft pop artistes as vapid effects
added to their song structures.

One fascinating aspect of this discussion is the
"historical" view given to both soft pop and psyche
respectively and to their conflation, ie, as if this
emerged in a pocket of time in the late 1960's and
disintergrated rapidly thereafter; (the "gimmickry" of
psychedelic effects possibly accelerating this demise).

I would suggest that the templates for this melange
always managed to integrate the psychedelic sound into
the basic fabric of the arrangement and aesthetic success
was guaranteed by this ability. I consider "Tommorrow
Never Knows" as a case in point, although it belongs more
to rock than soft pop admittedly. Another successful
"welding" of the two forms lay in the minimalistic use of
psychedelic sounds which I think the Beach Boys employed
superbly to great effect in the 1971 rendering of the
earlier written "Surfs Up" (what is that sound under the
lyric "A song dissolved in the dawn?).

So, It seems right to see these genres together emerging
in a "pocket of time" and are therefore historical in
that sense. I think the early prototypes were the most
successful and later employments of these sounds
excellent if used sparingly and appropriately.

Either side of that much of this melange created music
that to my ears today sounds mere kitsch.

Lastly, I am aware of many contemporary artists embracing
these forms, some yawningly utilising the old "historical"
ploys others attempting to push the envolope (an
interesting debate in itself). And again there is a great
deal of chaff and less good grain. My recommendation is
the latest Peter Lacey album "Thru A Glass Brightly"
where soft pop and psychedelia meet as easy bedfellows. 

http://www.dumbangel.freeserve.co.uk/peterhome.htm


Having interviewed Lacey in 2000 regarding his debut Beam!
I am delighted to recommend this new disc as an excellent
example of soft pop as a living art form with subtle
psychedelic touches, and I concur with Kingsley Abbott's
Record Collector review of these, quote, "elegantly
crafted songs".

Stratton


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Message: 10
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:49:52 EST
   From: Scott 
Subject: Hari and TTYD

The wife and I saw Marshal Crenshaw last night (we're not
really fans, but needed a night out).  Anyhow, Crenshaw
started the concert with three George Harrison tunes (all
lifted from "Revolver").  It was great !!!

Scott 


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Message: 11
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:44:23 +0000
   From: "Don Charles" 
Subject: Re: Walkin' in the Sun with Jeff Barry

>From: "Jeff Lemlich"
 
> There was also a nice version of "Walkin' In The Sun"
> recorded by Percy Sledge.  Coincidentally I was
> playing it this week!

Thanks for the tip!

Don Charles


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Message: 12
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:57:06 EST
   From: Michael Rashkow 
Subject: Re: Keith Beach swear word

In a message dated 1/26/2002. keith beach wrote:

> Streaming Media is when a whole Adverising Agency is
> down with Flu.
> 

Very cute.

Rashkovksy


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Message: 13
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:02:42 EST
   From: Michael Rashkow 
Subject: Re: Re: Bob Crewe

In a message dated 1/25/2002 Den Lindquist writes:

> ----- Original Message from Michael Rashkow
> > I own two 45 singles of Bob Crewe " the singer" on
> > Warwick. One "A" side is Water Boy, but I don't have
> > access to my vinyl and I can't remember the second "A"
> > side though I think it was the more popular of the two
> > releases.
> 
> Could it be "Whiffenpoof Song" (Warwick 519 ? Only other
> Warwick one I have, tho' he had 7 total on that label.

Dat be da won.  Thanks Den.


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Message: 14
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:26:05 EST
   From: Michael Rashkow 
Subject: RE: Decades of meaningful popularity

I note that Etta James just turned 64--will I still need
her, yes; will I still feed her, I think she's had enough
to eat.  

But she's been cutting great stuff since she was 17 years
old, that's in six decades by my count.  Quite a talent.

Jerry Wexler did a nice bunch with her as did the boys
down in Muscle Shoals late 70's--80's.  

It was trend setting when Jaguar used "At Last" on that TV
spot.  That style of spot has now become a cliche as well
as being the best approach to auto ads I've ever heard.

Her version of You Can Leave Your Hat On at the Monterey
Jazz Festival a few years back was smokin'.

Rashkovsky


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Message: 15
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:56:32
   From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
Subject: Re: Laurie 45's/Hank Shifter

>Paul:  Montage is available now on CD with bonus tracks on
>the mostly always awesome Sundazed label.  Yes the LP was
>originally released on the Laurie label in 1968.  Don't
>forget that Dion's "Abraham, Martin and John" also was
>released on Laurie (in 1968) so I don't think Montage was
>a conscious departure from the Chiffons, Jarmels, etc. but
>more of a artist shift by Laurie to stay contemporary and
>relevant.  Anyway, by the late sixties the Chiffons and
>Jarmels, etc. were one step away from the oldies-show
>circuit and certainly not considered air-worthy by the
>majority of station programmers at that time.

I've got literally dozens of (mostly) one-off Laurie 45's
(well, several of them are actually David Bash's which
I've borrowed to burn) from the mid-60's into the early
70's that are excellent examples of contemporary pop/rock,
soft pop, bubblegum, etc.  I'm out of town right now, but
if anyone is interested I could compile a list of these
singles that I've burned in the Lost Jukebox series and
post it.  Some standouts - "Heard You Went Away" by
Proctor Amusement Company from 1967 (a national release
of a regional Florida record, and amazing soft pop!), A
Thousand Devils (Chasin' Me) by The Fifth Order (1967,
great uptempo pop!), "Ten Story Building" by The
Cardboard Zeppelin (another great soft pop gem - from
1968, predating Led Zeppelin!:-)), and "The Church On The
Corner" (the artist eludes me right now, but it's from
1969 and a wonderful record with a great building
arrangement; it's about adding rock and roll to the
church's musical repertoire!).  There's an amazing comp
to be made from just these Laurie 45's!

>According to Jeff, Hank Shifter was a
>singer/songwriter/guitarist he signed to his Steed label
>early on.  He cut about two singles for Steed, both of
>which are terribly rare - I've never heard either, but
>Jeff says the best release he ever cut with Hank was
>called "Mary On The Beach."  That's probably the other
>45 you're referring to.

I've got "Mary On The Beach" - I can play it for you at
musica next week.  And yeah, it's real good!

Jeff
www.mp3.com/retros_
www.mp3.com/jeffrey_glenn


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Message: 16
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:51:34 +0000 (GMT)
   From: Mick Patrick 
Subject: re: PATRICE HOLLOWAY

Original Message from John Lester:
> ... don't get me started (talking about Patrice
> Holloway) ... and PLEASE avoid bringing up duets with
> sister Brenda on "Come Into My Palace" and Stevie
> Wonder on "S-t-e-v-i-e"!!

Greetings,

That boy John has kept us waiting long enough! Me and
the rest of the Patrice Barmy Army demand to be told the
story of "S-t-e-v-i-e". With whom does one have to sleep
to get this track released on CD. Do tell...

MICK PATRICK


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Message: 17
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:10:03 EST
   From: Michael Rashkow 
Subject: Re: Judge not lest ye be judged

keith beach writes:


> Forgiven?
> 
I only hold one gruge at a time.  That spot has a waiting 
list.  I take nothing personally except personal checks.  
Please, say what you wish--anytime.


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Message: 18
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:15:52 +0000 (GMT)
   From: Mick Patrick 
Subject: MIKE RASHKOW / DUSTY SPRINGFIELD

Greetings,

I have in front of me a rather excellent 7 inch single
written and produced by Ellie Greenwich and Mike Rashkow.
The record in question is WHAT GOOD IS I LOVE YOU by
DUSTY SPRINGFIELD. Perhaps Mike will do us all the honour
of telling us as much as he can about the making of this
great track. A small tip: there is no such thing as too
much information on Planet Dusty. Over to you, Rashkovsky...

MICK PATRICK


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Message: 19
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:50:28 -0000
   From: "David Bell" 
Subject: Patrice

I'm with you Mick as I'm a member of the Patrice Barmy
Army too. Does anyone have a discography for Patrice? I'm
new to this list and so it may be that one has been
published before but be patient with this "Learner"! Is
there such a thing as a Patrice Holloway publicity
shot....and is she a stunner like her sister?

David.


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Message: 20
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:53:02 +0000
   From: "Don Charles" 
Subject: Favorite Jeff Barry Lyrics...

Two favorites of "Ken Levine":

> From Andy Kim's "How'd we Ever Get This Way"  ...."tell
> it like it used to WAS".
>
> and of course from the Beach Boys' "Don't Worry Baby"....
> "she makes me come alive and makes me want to drive".

The line from the Andy Kim song actually goes like this:
"Remember how it used-to-was/before the roving eye of
love/how does it do the way it does?/Baby, how'd we ever
get this way?"  Yeah, I dig that one, too.

Another of my favorite Jeff Barry lyrics, from The
Archies' "Bang-Shang-A-Lang" single: "I walked right up
and said 'how do you do, do, do?'/She said, 'I bet I'll
do as good as you."  And from a children's song, yet!
That's STONE Jeff!

Don Charles


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Message: 21
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:22:53 -0000
   From: John Briggs 
Subject: Dean Martin/Bow Down and Worship

It is good to see mentioned "The King of Cool" on the
Spectropop postings earlier today.

One of Dino's best 60's cuts on Reprise has an excellent
10 note bass line in the intro...... also repeated
throughout the song. It also features fake ambient party
chatter/noise.  The cut is "Open Up The Door... And Let
The Good Times In" It charted at #55 back in '66.  Cut
in LA I would guess.  I wonder if our friend Carol had
anything to do with it?

Collectors Choice here in the U.S. is in the midst of
reissuing Dino's Reprise material on twofers.

As my cousin Joe Bob would say "Check it out!"

John Briggs


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Message: 22
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:56:16 EST
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: Re: Dino's Destiny

In a message dated 1/26/02, frank writes:

>Martin,
> Just so that you don't feel too depressed, tell your
> wife that two of my all time favorite artists are :
> No. 1 Phil Spector, No. 2 Dean Martin !!
Frank

Prozac Nation exists!  But for the ultimate Dean Martin
experience may I suggest two LP's? Thanks. They are
"Dino Does It The French Way" and "Dino Goes
Latino"...Far and away his best two IMHO....JB


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Message: 23
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:14:24 -0500
   From: "Vincent Degiorgio" 
Subject: Re: Favorite Jeff Barry Lyrics...

Isn't that Baby I Love You by Andy Kim ??

I met Andy a few years ago. Still looks the same, wanted
me to do a remix of the song...

Vincent

----- Original Message from: "Don Charles" 
> The line from the Andy Kim song actually goes like this:
> "Remember how it used-to-was/before the roving eye of
> love/how does it do the way it does?/Baby, how'd we ever
> get this way?"  Yeah, I dig that one, too.
>
> Another of my favorite Jeff Barry lyrics, from The
> Archies' "Bang-Shang-A-Lang" single: "I walked right up
> and said 'how do you do, do, do?'/She said, 'I bet I'll
> do as good as you."  And from a children's song, yet!
> That's STONE Jeff!
>
> Don Charles


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Message: 24
   Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:16:32 +0000
   From: "Don Charles" 
Subject: Patrice!

> From: "David Bell"
>
> Is there such a thing as a Patrice Holloway publicity
> shot....and is she a stunner like her sister?

Patrice Holloway was (and possibly still is) zoftig and
sexy-looking.  Of course, there is a resemblance to her
sister.  I can't think of any reason why she wouldn't do
publicity photo shoots as a Capitol artist, and I
certainly hope they turn up . . . Patrice did take some
publicity photos with Kathleen Dougherty and Cheryl Ladd
as a member of Josie and The Pussycats.  One of them is
in the CD booklet for Rhino/Handmade's Josie compilation.

Don Charles


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