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There are 20 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 358:

      1. re: THE JAYNETTS
           From: Mick Patrick 
      2. Diane Renay radio interview is Monday night January 21
           From: Ronnie Allen 
      3. Re: Mojo Men
           From: "Cedric" 
      4. Re: Jeff Barry's Greatest Hits
           From: "Ken Levine" 
      5. Re: Fifth Avenue Band
           From: "Robert Conway" 
      6. The Mojo Woman
           From: "Javed Jafri" 
      7. RE:Mojo Men
           From: tymespan 
      8. Re: Wonderful Majors
           From: "Robert Conway" 
      9. Mickey's Monkey
           From: "Javed Jafri" 
     10. Re: Brian Wilson/Smile - Mojo Magazine
           From: Michael Marino  
     11. Re: Mickey's Monkey
           From: "Justin McDevitt" 
     12. radio jingles
           From: "Ken Levine" 
     13. Re: Snuggles
           From: Stewart Mason 
     14. The legendary Casey Kasem story .... it's in the book!
           From: Ronnie Allen 
     15. Casey and Buddy
           From: Alan Zweig 
     16. Got my Mojo - and other stuff - workin'
           From: "Paul Payton" 
     17. Re: Re-mixing
           From: "Frank" 
     18. Jaynetts track listing
           From: "Ian Slater" 
     19. Re: Kooper, Diamond
           From: "Robert Conway" 
     20. more theories on suckage
           From: Alan Zweig 


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Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:19:21 +0000 (GMT)
   From: Mick Patrick 
Subject: re: THE JAYNETTS

Hello,

> -----Original Message from big.puff:
> Does anyone in Spectropopland have a track listing 
> for the Jaynets album Sally Go Round The Roses on Tuff?
> I know someone does....

Sally Go Round the Roses

Yep, Simon, I got that album for 6 quid from Soul Bowl
many moons ago. Tracks are:

Sally, Go 'Round The Roses
Seesaw
One Track Mind
I Wanna Know
No Love At All
Bongo Bobby
Keep An Eye On Her
School Days
Pick Up My Marbles
Dear Abby
Archie's Melody
Sally, Go 'Round The Roses (instrumental)

Check out John Clemente's lovely book GIRL GROUPS for a
great chapter on this enigmatic group.

http://www.spectropop.com/gg/girl.html



MICK PATRICK


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Message: 2
   Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:40:41 EST
   From: Ronnie Allen 
Subject: Diane Renay radio interview is Monday night January 21

This message is for all Diane Renay fans, past and
present!

Diane Renay was the wistful girl who back in 1964 was
pining away because her steady boy said "ship ahoy" and
joined the Nay-ay-vee!!!

Then her boyfriend did come back, but only for 48 hours,
and she pleaded with him for a kiss before it was
"anchors away" once more!!! 

Of course my above descriptions refer to Diane's two
hits: her top-ten single "Navy Blue" and her follow-up
recording called "Kiss Me, Sailor."

By the way did you know that when the Beatles hit our
shores and were #1, #2 and #3 on the Billboard Hot 100
Diane was #6 with "Navy Blue" ..... the most popular girl
singer of that week? And also did you know that "Navy
Blue" spent 12 weeks at #1 in Japan? Guess that little
mention of Tokyo in the second verse sure went a long way!

On December 6th of last year, the same night I
interviewed Janie Grant, I did a two-hour interview with
Diane Renay. And of course she talked about the stories
behind (and I played) those two hits. But the bulk of our
interview was devoted to her brand new double-CD called
"Diane Renay Sings Some Things Old And Some Things New."
The CD contains 35 tracks which span close to 30 years of
recordings. It is presently available only at Diane's
personal official website.  

And, let me add, these are in my opinion really fabulous
recordings  which display a versatility that extends far
beyond the vocal range displayed on the two recordings
she's famous for. Diane told the stories behind (and I
played) 12 selections from that double-CD. 

I am writing this message on Sunday evening so depending
on when you read this e-mail the show I'm about to
describe will take place either tomorrow or today! 

On Monday January 21, I will be presenting a two-hour
Diane Renay radio interview show that will include a
rebroadcast of portions of my original December 6th 2001
interview plus a second live-by-phone reapparance by
Diane herself!

These are the details:

Show: Diane Renay interview show with Ronnie Allen
Date: Monday, January 21st, 2002
Time: 10 PM to Midnight E.S.T.
Originating station: WBCB (1490-AM Bucks County, PA)

Diane Renay ad

[When the page comes up click on whatever device you use:
Windows Media Player, RealPlayer or Winamp. Most use
Windows Media Player.]

My suggestion is to try out the process in advance of the
show to make sure it works for you. The station is on the
internet all the time. During the day there's a mixture
of both talk and oldies.

>From 10 to 11 PM E.S.T. I will be rebroadcasting portions
of my interview with Diane Renay, which originally aired
on December 6th, 2001. From 11 PM to midnight I will have
Diane Renay live-by-phone. We'll talk about and play
selections that were not heard during the first hour.
With the exception of Diane's two 1964 hits "Navy Blue"
and "Kiss Me, Sailor" the entire show will be devoted to
her new double-CD.

Also Diane and I will be GIVING AWAY AS PRIZES copies of
the double-CD. Winners will be picked from a box
containing the names of all ELIGIBLE people who have
indicated they want to be in the running. If you'd like
to be ELIGIBLE to win Diane's CD please send me a private
e-mail  AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
(preferably BEFORE the show) with the subject line "Make
Me Eligible". Also please include your name and mailing
address. I will privately acknowledge your e-mail and let
you know that you are officially eligible to win Diane's
CD. You can also make yourself eligible during the show
by calling our toll-free number but for a number of
reasons you may not be able to get through. So, if you'd
like to be sure to have a chance to win the CD, please
e-mail me now.

During the first (pre-recorded) hour of the show please
feel free to call me at our toll-free number 888-922-2149
(U.S. only).

Looking ahead ..... I'm planning live-by-phones shows
with Shelby Flint ("Angel On My Shoulder") and Dale and
Grace ("I'm Leaving It Up To You").

Ronnie Allen
E-Mail: 


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Message: 3
   Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:27:17 -0000
   From: "Cedric" 
Subject: Re: Mojo Men

--- In Spectropop, Hans wrote:
> 
> Is it possible that there were
> two groups under the name of Mojo Men? The "Should I cry
> - group" sounds completely different from the "Freak-Beat
> Mojo Men" who recorded "She's my baby".


Hi Hans,

The Mojo Men who recorded "She's My Baby" and "Should I
Cry" are the same band.

They began as a garage rock band and turned pop when Jan
Errico (from the Vejtables) joined.

The two Sundazed CDs cover both era : "Whys Ain't
Supposed To Be" for the debut in the garage and "Sit
Down...It's The Mojo Men" for the later pop/folk material.

Some of the songs on the 2nd Cd are particulary nice
featuring top producers such as Lenny Waronker, Van Dyke
Parks, Nick De Caro and even Sylvester Stewart on the
groovy "Do The Hanky Panky"!!

Hope this helps.

Cedric


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Message: 4
   Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:31:09 -0800
   From: "Ken Levine" 
Subject: Re: Jeff Barry's Greatest Hits

How about the Raindrops "It's So Wonderful"?  That would 
make my top 25.


----- Original Message From: Don Charles 
>
> The Raindrops' second hit, "The Kind Of Boy You Can't
> Forget" IS on my Top 25 list.  If it wasn't, I simply
> missed typing it!  The list was hit singles-oriented,
> which is why the wonderful "I'll Still Love You" wasn't
> included . . . but you'd best believe that's definitely
> one of my personal faves.


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Message: 5
   Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:56:31 -0600
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: Fifth Avenue Band

Scott wrote:
>
>There's also a second Fifth Avenue Band LP - it was
>released in 1990 by the Japanese Pony Canyon LP.  Can't
>tell you anything else about it.

The group and member Peter Gallway have reached a certain
level of star recognition in Japan.  The 1990 CD is the
Japanese-only "reunion" CD.


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Message: 6
   Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:43:07 -0500
   From: "Javed Jafri" 
Subject: The Mojo Woman

> Is it possible that there were
> two groups under the name of Mojo Men? The "Should I cry
> - group" sounds completely different from the "Freak-Beat
> Mojo Men" who recorded "She's my baby".
> Does anyone have some information?

There was only one group known as the Mojo Men but their
career can be broken down into two distinct periods pre
and post Jan Ashton. Jan was a female drummer who sang
the lead on "Sit Down I think I love You". She had
previously done some recordings with the Vejtables who
had a local hit in San Francisco with "I Still Love You".
Her real name I think was Jan Errico. Her solo single
"Cold and Dreary Morning" from 1966 is also worth
checking out as it anticipates the sound of Brit
folk-rockers such as Fairport Convention.

The early Mojo Men sound was more in the garage rock 
vein but once Jan joined the group they sounded more
like the Mamas and Papas. The group was signed to Autumn
records a label formed by San Francisco DJ Tom Donahue
later one of the pioneers of the free-form FM format on
KSAN). Sly Stone was a producer and writer at the label
and he penned the Mojo's "She's My Baby".

Javed


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Message: 7
   Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:08:25 EST
   From: tymespan 
Subject: RE:Mojo Men

> I'm sorry I don't have more info on the "Mojo Men -
> Should I cry" track. But is it possible that there were
> two groups under the name of Mojo Men? The "Should I cry
> - group" sounds completely different from the "Freak-Beat
> Mojo Men" who recorded "She's my baby".

There were two different Mojo Men lineups. They started
out as a garage band but by 1966 added Jan Errico of the
Vejtables as vocalist and went towards a more folk rock
sound. The  different versions of the band can be heard
on two Sundazed CDs "Whys Ain't Supposed To Be" (their
early Autumn Records cuts) and "Sit Down..It's The Mojo
Men" (their Reprise cuts including the single Sit Down i
Think I Love You.)


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Message: 8
   Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:06:54 -0600
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: Wonderful Majors

>From: "Kingsley Abbott" 
>
>Anyone into The Boys Next Door??

Kingsley--Re. the Boys Next Door:  Glorified Beach Boys'
wannabes/sometimes soundalikes.  They had a lot of
regional Midwest (the home state escapes me now) releases
under more than one name.  The awesome Sundazed label has
released a CD with just about all of the group's
recording output.  I saw them at a local high school
dance in 1968 and they were certainly out of step with
what was happening musically at the time.  They looked
like the Beach Boys as much as their physical attributes
allowed.  They even wore their Pendletons!  Musically
they were OK, maybe even good as I faintly recall...I was
more interested in searching for good-looking high school
girls than really watching and listening to the Boys Next
Door.  For what it is worth, I own the group's CD.  The
Cryan Shames, Buckinghams, NC6, Shadows of Night,
Saturday's Children, Ides of March and the American Breed
(and there were others) were all popular in my locale at
approximately that time.


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Message: 9
   Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:58:33 -0500
   From: "Javed Jafri" 
Subject: Mickey's Monkey

> > Mickey's Monkey - Miracles
> This song is usually left out of everyone's Smokey
> Robinson list, but I remember it as a big hit in
> L.A.--always thought it a great track.

Does anyone know if it's true that Mickey's Monkey was
some sort of tribute to Toronto DJ David  Mickey (
Marsden) or did he just adapt it as such ?

Javed


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Message: 10
   Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:47:52 -0000
   From: Michael Marino  
Subject: Re: Brian Wilson/Smile - Mojo Magazine

--- In spectropop, "Tom Knott" wrote:

> The Feb issue of Mojo Magazine has a fairly in-depth 
> article by Rob Chapman on the "Smile" album.
> 
> tom

Does it say when "Smile" will be released? ;-)


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Message: 11
   Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:51:19 -0600
   From: "Justin McDevitt" 
Subject: Re: Mickey's Monkey

  ----- Original Message  From: Javed Jafri 

> Does anyone know if it's true that Mickey's Monkey was
> some sort of tribute to Toronto DJ David  Mickey
> (Marsden) or did he just adapt it as such ?

Hey Javed,

This wouldn't surprise me. I heard a radio clip of
Marsen's work on ReelRadio some months ago and his DJ
patter or chatter was just about as fast and frenetic as
a monkey's chatter.

Justin 


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Message: 12
   Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:05:16 -0800
   From: "Ken Levine" 
Subject: radio jingles

Since radio has come up frequently in this discussion
group, any interest among members in some of the great
radio station jingles over the years?  Some fabulous
harmonies and great four second "songs".  The Johnny
Mann singers, Anita Kerr Singers and groups from Dallas
and New York produced some memorable anonymous work.


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Message: 13
   Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:24:05 -0700
   From: Stewart Mason 
Subject: Re: Snuggles

Jimmy Bee asks:

>Have you ever heard that recording circulating by Casey
>Kasem about the little girl who's dog just died? Casey's
>trying to read it straight-faced over one of his up
>tempo numbers. He stumbles over one particularly
>"touching" sequence and COMPLETELY loses it!. He cusses
>out the girl, the f____' dog, the song, his job,
>everything he has to be grateful for!. It is
>hysterical...It was set to music by British Breakbeater
>Jacknife Lee a couple of years back. The juxtaposition
>of this "Top-40" hustler and his swearing is poetic
>justice at its finest!....

Ah, yes, the infamous "Snuggles" tape.  I first heard it
about a decade ago when the tape-noise media
manipulators Negativland fed it into a 12" single called
"U2," along with another Kasem tape that's ol' Shaggy
going off on Bono and the boys.  The uproar and brouhaha
over this single is absolutely legendary to anyone with
a passing interest in copyright law.

Both of these tapes are also available in their original
form on various bootlegs, alongside such similar items
of fringe interest as Orson Welles blowing his lines and
arguing with the director of a commercial for frozen
peas. (Voice artist Maurice LaMarche, who does a wicked
Welles, has slipped lines from this tape into several of
his Welles impresonations for various cartoons; there's
a Pinky and the Brain cartoon from the mid-90s series
ANIMANIACS that's basically a thinly-veiled recreation
of the entire tape.) Well worth searching for if you're
a fan of the obscure and arcane, which I would guess
many Spectropoppers are.

Stewart


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Message: 14
   Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:45:31 EST
   From: Ronnie Allen 
Subject: The legendary Casey Kasem story .... it's in the book!

This message is to James Botticelli and all others who
are interested.

The Casey Kasem "dead dog" story is both legendary and
very true.

Basically what happened was Casey was taping an American
Top Forty broadcast and had just come out of an uptempo
record by the Pointer Sisters. He then had to read a Long
Distance Dedication which involved a girl had whose dog
had just died. The dog's name was Snuggles.

Casey started to read the LDD and then something just
"hit" him and basically he completely lost it. 

Of course the tape was not supposed to make it out of the
studio. But somehow it just walked away and ..... well,
as Paul Harvey would say, you know the rest of the story!

Rob Durkee has written a book all about Casey legendary
radio show called American Top Forty: The Countdown Of
The Century.

He has an entire chapter devoted to the Casey Kasem "dead
dog" story including exactly what Casey said. (You will
have to fill in some of the blanks, though, but I think
you can!).

Since I was with American Top Forty as the East Coast
writer/researcher/interviewer for 15 years I am
personally mentioned quite prominently in the book. I in
fact helped Rob out with the research. Rob worked for the
show during the Shadoe Stevens years.

If you've ever been a fan of American Top Forty you'll be
interested to know that Rob has created a website
especially devoted to the show, both past and present. 

I do not have the URL handy (he just moved it to a new
address) but when I find it out I'll post it to this
group.

One final comment about Casey.

I had the pleasure to work for the man for 15 years and
still keep in touch with him today. The "dead dog" story
notwithstanding, he is really one of the nicest people in
the business. And basically, when asked about that story,
Casey these days is very philosophical. He describes what
happened in three words: "I got mad."

But he also told Rob that he had no objection to Rob
including it in the book.

Well, when you think of it, "I got mad" can apply to all
of us at some time in our life.

Ronnie Allen


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Message: 15
   Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:58:34 -0500
   From: Alan Zweig 
Subject: Casey and Buddy

James Botticelli wrote:

>Have you ever heard that recording circulating by Casey
>Kasem about the little girl who's dog just died? Casey's
>trying to read it straight-faced over one of his up
>tempo numbers. He stumbles over one particularly
>"touching" sequence and COMPLETELY loses it!.

That "blooper" was also sampled by Negativeland, along
with Casey going off on U2.  Not that I ever thought
Casey was all sweetness and light, but it's still
surprising to hear him say "Who gives a f***?"

And speaking of sweetness and light, there's an article
in the Mojo issue with George Harrison on the cover that
talks about some recordings of Buddy Rich cursing out
band members.

I liked the part of the article where towards the end of
his life, Buddy told his manager that he was thinking of
phoning everyone he'd been rude to in his life and his
manager said "I hope you're not using a pay phone".

Anyway I know this is way off topic but apparently some
of these Buddy speeches  were circulated by Spectropop
hero Al Kooper (you guys are a bit hard on him by the way.
What about "Like a Rolling Stone" or Blood Sweat and
Tears?)

And something called The Buddy Tapes were even "released"
on CD by an LA filmmaker by the name of Nick Bougas. Some
of you groovy scenesters must have this.

Usually I'm not much into these bloopers and out-takes
but for some reason, with Buddy I'd like to make an
exception. Anyone?

AZ 


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Message: 16
   Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:10:14 -0500
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Got my Mojo - and other stuff - workin'

Re: Al Kooper: Sorry, I shouldn't have shortchanged the
Blues Project. "Fly Away" is gorgeous, and "Flute Thing"
is kinda cool too.

Re: "Concrete & Clay" is song by Eddie Rambeau on
Dynovoice, a Bob Crewe Production. (Although "Concrete and
Clay" would make a good group name - heavy, stoned, but
down to earth?!?)

Speaking of Bob Crewe, anyone remember a song he produced
for his brother, Tom, "C'mon Dream, C'mon" on Amy (I think)?
Sounded a lot like Del Shannon.

Re: "When songwriting starts to suck," two more cents
worth - I've heard it said that an artist has a lifetime
to put together their first album, and three months to do
their second. Maybe a slight exaggeration (okay, six
months for the second), but fundamentally true, especially
for one-hit wonders. But hey, some artists have three
great minutes in them which deserve to be heard, while
others have more. The demise of the single (45, CD,
whatever) is sad. (It also prices a lot of folks out of
the game, but that's a whole other thread....)

Re: re-mixing - sometimes records don't sound as good for
real now as we remember them from then. Going back to the
master tapes, however, sometimes the fidelity is there,
and the track can be brought out faithful to the original
sound but "opened up" for modern ears and higher-fidelity
systems. To my taste, sometimes it works, but usually, as
Jan & Dean said, "The original's still the greatest."

Vincent: thanks for the Burt Bacharach article,
In it, there's a mention of the movie, "Grace of My
Heart," a Brill Building story. I vaguely remember it
coming out - and quickly going back in. Has anyone
seen it? Is it any good?

Hans Ket writes: 
> is it possible that there were two groups under the
> name of Mojo Men? The "Should I cry" group sounds
> completely different from the "Freak-Beat Mojo Men"
> who recorded "She's my baby.

One and the same group, Hans, but with some changes from a
funky early incarnation with Sly Stone to a sunshine-pop
later one with a female Mojo Man, Jan Errico, on vocals.
Info at: 
Fuzz Acid & Flowers; scroll down to Mojo Men listing. (And
thank you AGAIN, Stephane, for bringing this astounding
resource to my attention.)

Country Paul


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Message: 17
   Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:40:10 +0100
   From: "Frank" 
Subject: Re: Re-mixing

"Vincent Degiorgio" wrote:

> ...some of these 50's and 60's mixes, especially in
> Moulton's case, is a labour of love...it sometimes
> allows a vocal to be raised in the over all mix...also
> allows certain instruments to to be equalized and
> panned in such a way to open up the sound of the
> original recording and in stereo...

I think you could also add that the digital era and the
use of analogic tape to be released on CDs causes a
modification of the importance of different frequecies.
There's no doubt that digital mastering enhance high
frequencies. You can correct this problem in two ways,
one is simply to bluntly cut some high frequencies, or
even boost the low ones. But the better way and sensible
one is to remix the tape in order to obtain a much more
refined correction.

Frank


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Message: 18
   Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:38:52 -0000
   From: "Ian Slater" 
Subject: Jaynetts track listing

Simon White wrote:
>
> Does anyone  in Spectropopland have a track listing
> for the Jaynets album Sally Go Round The Roses on Tuff ?

The tracks on the Jaynetts album Sally Go Round The Roses are:

Archie's Melody
Bongo Bobby
Dear Abby (by the Hearts)
I Wanna Know
Keep An Eye On Her
No Love At All
One Track Mind
Pick Up My Marbles
Sally Go Round the Roses
Sally Go 'Round the Roses (instr backing)
School Days
Seesaw

Sally Go Round the Roses

Nice LP in my view. Gentle lilting melodic tunes for the
most part, not very R&B, or "Sally" type wierdness except
perhaps for the familiar "Dear Abby". My favourite is
"One Track Mind". Rare of course but it ia on eBay at
present but within a day of closing as I write
and at $125! 

On the subject of the Jaynetts, has anybody got, or even
SEEN these 45s: Is It My Imagination, Looking for
Wonderland, I Wanted to be Free, Vangie Don't You Cry
(all J&S), Tonight You Belong To Me (Tuff). I've had all
the other records issued under their name (I hesitate to
say "by the group" given the fact this was really a
company name) for years and never had a sniff of these.
Do they exist I wonder or are they just items of girl
group mythology like the Girlfriends' I Don't Believe In
You / Baby Don't Cry (Colpix 744)?

Ian Slater


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Message: 19
   Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:48:22 -0600
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: Kooper, Diamond

I am not a fan of the obviously very talented AK in terms
of his recorded musical output; however, I did quite like
the first Blood Sweat and Tears LP, "Child is Father..." 
I recall upon its release how the majority of rock
critics gushed while some even gave it the masterpiece
status.  Interesting also that when the second BS&T--with
David Clayton Thomas on vocals--was released, it was
quickly followed by Cooper's "I Stand Alone."  The
statement was obvious, with Cooper on the LP cover as the
Statue of Liberty. BS&T with Thomas on vocals, love him
or hate him, went on to become a monster, while Kooper
continued on his odyssey.  A side note:  Both LPs were
released on Columbia and were promoted in tandem in Eye
magazine.  The ad was as I recall--it has been a long
time--an insert that offered two paper/plastic records
that featured a song or snippets of songs from both
artists.  Obviously the ad wasn't necessary for the
revamped BS&T and it certainly did nothing to help the
sales of Cooper's LP.

Bob Conway


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Message: 20
   Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:42:25 -0500
   From: Alan Zweig 
Subject: more theories on suckage

Dan Hughes wrote:
>
>1.  The songwriter didn't start to suck.  It's just that
>the listener couldn't keep up.  As the songs get more
>intricate, so to speak, the listener can't assimilate
>that intricacy. 

As you say, that's a very generous theory, at least as
far as some of these songwriters go.  But I think there
may be some truth there.

Sometimes when I see Paul Simon on TV or hear something
>from one of his new records, I find myself fantasizing
about a conversation I might have with him where I would
tell him how much I still love the first couple of Simon
and Garfunkel records and he tells me "Hey man, I was
just a kid.  I didn't know what I was doing.  I can't
even think about those old songs.  You should check out
the new stuff I'm doing".

At which point I tell him "Yeah well I have.  And it
bores me silly". I would never argue with Paul if he
told me that, in terms of songwriting craft, his new
material is head and shoulders above his early S&G
material. All I would say is "I guess craft sometimes
gets in the way of writing a great song".

AZ 


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