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There are 24 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 354:

      1. Janie Grant on the air Thursday January 17th!!!
           From: "Ian Slater" 
      2. Checkmates Ltd
           From: Paul Underwood 
      3. Kit Kats
           From: "Kingsley Abbott" 
      4. Re: CD Towers
           From: "Javed Jafri" 
      5. Re: Archies And Josie & The Pussycats news
           From: "Don Charles" 
      6. Various
           From: Michael Rashkow 
      7. RE: Partynoise
           From: "Keith Beach" 
      8. Re: It ain't fair
           From: "Robert Conway" 
      9. Re: Archies And Josie & The Pussycats news
           From: "David Parkinson" 
     10. Re: Kenny Young
           From: Luis Suarez 
     11. Re: Fake Party Songs/Farmer John, etc.
           From: "Robert Conway" 
     12. Re: Kit Kats
           From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
     13. Re: Fake Party Songs/Farmer John, etc.
           From: "Javed Jafri" 
     14. I see the lights I see the party lights
           From: "Javed Jafri" 
     15. Re: I see the lights I see the party lights
           From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
     16. Re: brian wilson London
           From: Chris 
     17. Re: I see the lights I see the party lights
           From: Andrew Hickey 
     18. musica/Janie Grant/Diane Renay
           From: LePageWeb 
     19. Re: Checkmates Ltd
           From: "Frank" 
     20. Re: Fake Party Songs
           From: Michael Coxe 
     21. Re: I see the lights I see the party lights
           From: "Frank" 
     22. Re: Checkmates Ltd
           From: "Keith Beach" 
     23. Re: Kit Kats
           From: "J.H. Ket" 
     24. Jeff Barry's Greatest Hits
           From: "Don Charles" 


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Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:21:29 -0000
   From: "Ian Slater" 
Subject: Janie Grant on the air Thursday January 17th!!!

To supplement this broadcast, I've posted a picture of
Janie onto the Photo Albums - Miscellaneous photos folder.
This illustrated a short interview in the USA "Rock &
Roll Songs" Magazine from January 1963. The 2 pics in
that magazine are the only ones I've seen of her.

Unfortunately, the broadcast is about 2.00 a.m. here in
the UK - strong coffee in the morning!

Ian Slater


> entire one-hour Janie Grant interview which originally
> aired on Thursday, December 6th, 2001. 
> 
> Rebroadcast Date: Thursday, January 17th, 2002
> Rebroadcast Time: 9:00 PM E.S.T. 
> Originating station: WBCB-1490-AM (Bucks County, PA)
> Internet Access: http://www.wbcb1490.com 
> 
> The rebroadcast of the interview will actually begin
> promptly at 9:05 PM, immediately following the national
> news. 
>
>
> Janie talked about several of her recordings, all of
> which we played in their entirety in the following
> order): 
> 
> "Triangle" 
> "Romeo" 
> "Roller Coaster" 
> "Oh Johnny" 
> "That Greasy Kid Stuff" 
> "Tell Me Mama" 
> "My Heart, Your Heart" 

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Message: 2
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:44:01 +0100
   From: Paul Underwood 
Subject: Checkmates Ltd

It's nice to know I'm not the only one who listens to
the Hair anthology  suite  with a degree of pleasure,
(but then I also love the Leonard Cohen album). One
thing that always surprised me was how well Sonny
Charles sang on the whole album, whereas another (later)
album I have by the Checkmates is so ordinary.

I always thought, for no good reason, that it was
someone like Merry Clayton on Proud Mary (at that time
she was on everyone's records). I also recall reading
that Proud Mary was initially an eight-minute-long
recording: there is a funny noise half-way through the
track: was it a bad edit?

One other thing: did the Checkmates initial single
"Baby don't you get crazy" ever exist? I remember
reading an interview with John Sebastian in which he
talked about going to chez Spector to ask him to
produce the song, but did anything ever come of it?

Paul


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Message: 3
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:09:59 -0000
   From: "Kingsley Abbott" 
Subject: Kit Kats

Good to see appreciation of the Kit Kats...To add a few
bits - Their "Won't Find Better Than Me" (great song) did
manage a UK release in 1966 on London (as The Kit Kats). 
There is a very nice live video of them performing this
song in a smallish club added to the end of the double CD
of theirs on Jamie 4008.
.
Its really atmospheric, and i reckon they must have been
a great group to have seen live then. A couple of years
ago I spent a delightful evening in Cambridge with Frank
Lipsius and his family.  Super nice guy Frank now runs
Jamie/Guyden, still with help from his dad Harold who was
the original sixties boss.  He told me that he had loads
of Kit Kats' material - enough for a 4CD set!!  His
revitalised company is puttting out some very nice
compilation re-issues, including some great Philadephia
early 60s Doo Wop (Ernie & the Halos,.Billy & the
Essentials, Anthony & the Sophomores etc).  I'd recommend
"Philly Doo Wop Classics" JG 4006, which also includes
The Kit Kats version of "Puddin'n'Tain".  Well worth
checking out.

Kingsley Abbott


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Message: 4
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:46:41 -0500
   From: "Javed Jafri" 
Subject: Re: CD Towers

Justin wrote:

> reading through your track list was intriguing since as
> Alan states, it brings together music from different
> genres and eras

Thank you Justin and Alan for the kind words about my
comp tape. I have been making these types of tapes for
years for my personal listening pleasure in the car. They
represent some alternative type of Top 40 with selections
taken from lower charted hits or records that just
"bubbled under" or records that should have been hits in
the perfect pop world. My record collection is comprised
of a lot of 45's and compilations and many of them are
songs that made the second half of the hot 100. In terms
of obscurities like the Gordian Knot or Forever Amber my
CD/Vinyl collection is sadly lacking but what I do have
are cassette copies of such material made by a dear
collector friend of mine.

I like to mix eras and genres but still have the music
flow in a way that makes some sort of sense. Somewhat
like the golden era of the progressive free form stations
like the one that Country Paul used to work at.

Javed


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Message: 5
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:46:35 +0000
   From: "Don Charles" 
Subject: Re: Archies And Josie & The Pussycats news

Lou Perlman, eh?  His involvement will certainly ensure
the kind of critical hostility The Archies have
traditionally attracted!

Don Charles
>
>NEW YORK, Jan. 16 /PRNewswire/ -- Archie Entertainment
>Co-Chairman Michael Silberkleit, Lou Pearlman and
>ZelnickMedia principal Strauss Zelnick today announced
>the creation of a joint venture to launch real life music
>groups based upon The Archies and Josie and the Pussycats
>comic book character music groups...

>Silberkleit: "...with Lou's help, [these groups] are sure
>to be loved by kids, young and old, just like the
>Backstreet Boys and *NSYNC."
>
>"I am proud to be associated with ZelnickMedia and Archie
>Entertainment. I hope to have as much fun developing
>these projects as the public will have watching and
>listening to them," said Lou Pearlman.
>
>Strauss Zelnick, ZelnickMedia said: "The Archies and
>Josie and the Pussycats have long and successful legacies
>and the opportunity to work with Lou on this new venture
>is exhilarating."


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Message: 6
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:28:21 EST
   From: Michael Rashkow 
Subject: Various

Re: More Magic Lamp

In a message dated 1/16/2002, Peter writes:
> "Joe Osborn was one of LA's leading studio musicians

Yes. Good a bass player and had a very nice Old English
Sheepdog. Or maybe that was Max Bennett---Carol, which
one had the dog?  I can't remember anything anymore. Of
course Chips had the Toni.


Re: Toni Wine, Carol Bayer

In a message dated 1/16/2002, richard havers writes:
> > Talking of Carol Bayer, does anyone know if it was
> > her who co-wrote the Shadows Of Knight/American Breed
> > classic "I'm Gonna Make You Mine"? The credits read
> > (Bayer/Carr/D'Errico). What was the origin of this
> > track?
> 
> Yes it is the Carole Bayer....as far as any more info is
> concerned I am stumped.
> 
Billy Carr is likely the man and Jamie Carr is a name he
sang under.  Did a lot of demos and jingles and
backgorunds.  Had a good pop/rock sound harder than Dante
and Kenny Karen.


Re: The Illusion

In a message dated 1/16/2002, Don writes:
> >  Chuck Alden went on to join a Long Island band the
> >  Illusion who had a Mitch Ryder produced single on
> >  Dynovoice then moved to Jeff Barry's Steed label...
> 
> That's Chuck ADLER who was a member of The Illusion. 
> Maybe a different guy? The Illusion's chart singles were
> "Did You See Her Eyes," "How Does It Feel?" (both
> co-written by Jeff Barry), "Together," and "Let's Make
> Each Other Happy."  There were only three Steed album
> releases by the group:  THE ILLUSION, TOGETHER (AS A WAY
> OF LIFE) and IF IT'S SO - although there may have been an
> unreleased LP. 

I didn't see this first post, but I'm pretty sure it
wasn't Chuck Alden.

As to the Illusion, I'm not sure if it was the same group
or not, but at one time Ellie Greenwich and I auditioned
a band from Long Island at Associated Recording. They
didn't knock us out, and they went on to sign with Jeff
Barry.

I always thought they were The Illusion---and  in either
event, I was later told that when this particular group
auditioned for us, a young man named Billy Joel was
playing keyboards. I don't know that, but maybe someone
else can jump in here and fill.


Re: Fake Party Songs

In a message dated 1/16/2002, David writes:
> How about "A Quarter to Three" and the wonderful 
> intro to the Temptations' "I Can't Get Next To You?" 

and that Marvin Gaye thing--can't think of the title...
"I was out at a party...."


Re: Jack Nitzsche - KHJ

In a message dated 1/15/2002 , Ken writes:
> I think I have a copy somewhere on reel to reel.  If I
> can find it and transfer it you're absolutely welcome
> to a copy.

15 ips half track no dolby is my preference--and thanks


Re: Kenny Young

In a message dated 1/16/2002, Peter writes:
> > I seem to remember Mr Young came to live and work in
> > England and Wales! in the 70's early 80's so would
> > assume Rockfied record him. Personally I'll stick to his
> > writing, arranging and producing for so many Girl Group
> > classics!!

Kenny Young was a friend of Mikie Harris and Jeannie
Thomas and used them on his demos in NYC during the mid
60's.  I recall that he went to England about '69,/'70
--I heard it was to "work" with Mickie Most.

I believe his real name was Murray Gitlin or something
like that. Very nice, kind of shy guy--loner, private
person.  Wrote alone, worked alone.  I previously
mentioned too that I'm pretty sure he wrote "Arizona" 

Rashkovsky


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Message: 7
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:54:01 -0000
   From: "Keith Beach" 
Subject: RE: Partynoise

Partynoise

Does Trini Lopez 'If I had a hammer' count?

keith beach 


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Message: 8
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:32:26 -0600
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: It ain't fair

How about the two Neils?

Bob Conway


Ken Levine writes:

>Doesn't it seem odd that the two best singers of the Brill
>Building composers (Ellie Greenwich and Barry Mann) didn't
>have big recording careers while other less, well "gifted"
>singers did?


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Message: 9
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:03:01 -0800
   From: "David Parkinson" 
Subject: Re: Archies And Josie & The Pussycats news

Don Charles wrote:

> Lou Perlman, eh?  His involvement will certainly ensure
> the kind of critical hostility The Archies have
> traditionally attracted!

It seems a shame (although somewhat fitting) that N'Sync
are slated to appear in Star Wars Chapter II: Attack Of
The Clones, when there are going to be some perfectly
good Archies and Pussycats available. Now THAT I would go
see.

Are you listening, Lou??

David


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Message: 10
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:14:14 -0000
   From: Luis Suarez 
Subject: Re: Kenny Young

So the US Kenny Young is the same as the UK Kenny Young?
With both Under The Boardwalk (co-written with Artie
Resnick) AND Fox (with Noosha Fox) under his belt?!


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Message: 11
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:38:57 -0600
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: Fake Party Songs/Farmer John, etc.

I don't believe that anyone has mentioned the Premiers'
"Farmer John"--a great three-chord rave-up about the
girl with the champagne eyes.


Billy G. Spradlin wrote:
>One of my favorites is a southern "frat party" version of
>"In The Midnight Hour" by a group called "The IN" on
>Hickory, with some nice shreaks at the beginning of the
>record and in between verses.
>
>Another great party croud is on the "live" side of Paul
>Revere & The Raiders "Here They Come" LP!


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Message: 12
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:37:24 -0500
   From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
Subject: Re: Kit Kats

Since we're on the subject of the Kit Kats, let me point
out that my friend Tom Moulton remixed the Kit Kats
material for the 2CD set that came out last year. Tom
told me he really loves the group, so that job was a
labor of love for him.

Mikey


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Message: 13
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:01:10 -0500
   From: "Javed Jafri" 
Subject: Re: Fake Party Songs/Farmer John, etc.

Robert Conway wrote :

> I don't believe that anyone has mentioned the Premiers'
> "Farmer John"--a great three-chord rave-up about the 
> girl with the champagne eyes

Actually it was mentioned along with the Swingin'
Medallions "Double Shot of My Baby's Love" and speaking
of the Medallions I think their other hit "She Drives Me
Out Of My Mind" also featured some party noises and what
about Jimmy Soul's "If You Want to Be Happy" a very Gary
US Bonds type of song. Hey this is a fun thread.

Javed


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Message: 14
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:15:31 -0500
   From: "Javed Jafri" 
Subject: I see the lights I see the party lights

OK here is another party background song. "She Comes to
Me" by the Chicago Loop on Dyno Voice from 1966.

Javed


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Message: 15
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:17:56 -0500
   From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
Subject: Re: I see the lights I see the party lights

geezz...no one has mentioned the Beach Boys "Barbara Ann"
yet!!

mikey

"Javed Jafri" wrote:

> OK here is another party background song. "She Comes to
> Me" by the Chicago Loop on Dyno Voice from 1966.


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Message: 16
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:20:27 EST
   From: Chris 
Subject: Re: brian wilson London

I' m going tuesday night

Chris


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Message: 17
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:57:46 -0800 (PST)
   From: Andrew Hickey 
Subject: Re: I see the lights I see the party lights

--- Mike Arcidiacono  wrote:

> geezz...no one has mentioned the Beach Boys "Barbara
> Ann" yet!!

I was going to mention that - and indeed the whole
Beach Boys Party! album - but thought it was too
obvious... also no-one's mentioned the audience noise
on Sgt Pepper, though I don't know if that counts as
it's meant to sound faked...

=====
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Buy it now from http://www.stealthmunchkin.com
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Dave Manning, Ridgefield Press


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Message: 18
   Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:30:20 +0900
   From: LePageWeb 
Subject: musica/Janie Grant/Diane Renay

Hi all,

There has been some great listening here lately and I
just wanted to say thanks to those who play some of their
obscure records for us. 

I just got finished listening to Bruce's No Gold in
California. Interesting - not what I expected. Starts
with a "Concrete & Clay" groove that segues into an
Eagles-like two line chorus before venturing off into a
Beach Boys vocal section - but BB circa Surf's Up rather
than All Summer Long. I hear more Bruce Johnston than
Brian Wilson. Lot of tricky chord changes in there too
which reminded me a bit of the Sunrays.

As to the Byzantine Empire tracks - WOW! Snow Queen is
excellent, and stands up to Roger Nichols version in its
own unique way. In fact, all the BE tracks I've heard are
wonderful! Bruce, you wondered out loud if the band made
a mistake in not going for a harder "live" sound rather
than compromising by trying to make a commercial hit -
well who knows what would or could have happened, but I
for one am very happy to have heard these Byzantine
Empire records finally. 

Pixies 3 - Love Me was a treat to hear too. It's not on
Growin' Up Too Fast comp, but Justin - this compilation
is really a great starting point with hits and non-hits
alike. It has a few choice Pixies 3 tracks and some tasty
Diane Renay stuff too. Sooper highly recommended.

And hey! That Kit Kats record, which I had never heard,
is GREAT! The groove reminds me a lot of Kind of Boy You
Can't Forget. What compression!

Cathy Brasher, Carol Connors, Factotums, Lettermen,
Margie Day...I really enjoyed hearing each one of these.
Thanks everyone. 

Anyone else listen to the Janie Grant special on internet
radio today? 

Besides Triangle, Romeo, Greasy Kid Stuff and Tell Me
Mama, Ronnie Allen played several Janie sides that I
had never heard before. Diane Renay special coming up on
the same station http://www.wbcb1490.com on Monday night
21st Jan at 10:00 p.m. EST. Ronnie said he is going to
play several from Diane's new self-released CD entitled
"Diane Renay Sings Some Things Old & Some Things New."

Diane Renay


All the best,


Jamie


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Message: 19
   Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:13:58 +0100
   From: "Frank" 
Subject: Re: Checkmates Ltd

Paul wrote:

> It's nice to know I'm not the only one who listens to
> the Hair anthology  suite  with a degree of pleasure,

Hi Paul,

"A certain degree of pleasure" is an understatement. I
always loved this production. As a matter of fact I love
the whole LP. And for years this was #1 on my most wanted
CD, until I finally got it.

> I always thought, for no good reason, that it was
> someone like Merry Clayton on Proud Mary

I share your opinion and also favored the Merry Clayton
possibility. Especially because this part was typical of
the kind of backing vocals she was often asked to perform
(with Bobby Darin for instance).

> another (later) album I have by the Checkmates is so 
> ordinary.

I also agree with you about the other Checkmates Ltd
recordings, very very strangely uninteresting!

> I also recall reading that Proud Mary was initially an
> eight-minute-long recording: there is a funny noise
> half-way through the track: was it a bad edit?

I never noticed the bad edit noise on Proud Mary, I'll
check it out and see if I can hear anything though it
wouldn't surprise me a bit to learn that even the Hair
side was longer than what came out.

> One other thing: did the Checkmates initial single
> "Baby don't you get crazy" ever exist?

As for the Checkmates single, I never even heard of it,
so I can't help you on this one.

Cheers`
Frank


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Message: 20
   Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 00:20:01 -0800
   From: Michael Coxe 
Subject: Re: Fake Party Songs

A few more: "Soul Finger" by the Bar-Kays, "How Sweet It
Is (To Be Loved By You)" by Jr Walker & The All-Stars,
"Say Man" by Bo Diddley (first record I ever owned) and
especially "If You Want To Be Happy" by Jimmy Soul. Did
anyone mention "Barbara Ann" (pick a performer)? Bob
Dylan's "Rainy Day Women #12 & 35" - even more a hoot when
considered of this genre.

Not of the Spectropop era but one of the greatest fake
party records ever was "Lay Your Love On Me", a Mike
Chapman/Nicky Chinn studio creation under the name Racey
circa 1979 & a massive hit in Australia.

 - michael


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Message: 21
   Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:45:09 +0100
   From: "Frank" 
Subject: Re: I see the lights I see the party lights

What about "Hey Dean, Hey Jean" by Jean and Dean ? 
Or was it mentioned already ?

Frank


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Message: 22
   Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:49:40 -0000
   From: "Keith Beach" 
Subject: Re: Checkmates Ltd

> > One other thing: did the Checkmates initial single
> > "Baby don't you get crazy" ever exist?
> 
The story, as much as I know, Jonathan King (British
songwriter, performer, egomamiac, ...now in jail for
unspeakable acts) was in the States and met Phil Spector.
He was played the first recording by Phil's new signing
(Sonny Charles and The Checkmates Ltd). The track opened
with hundreds of strumming mandolins, and was called 'Baby
don't you get crazy'. Jonathan thought it was wonderful.
Later when 'Love is all I have to give' was issued instead
(also opening with hundreds of strumming mandolins)
Jonathan was asked if that was the song he'd previously
heard. He was adamant that it wasn't...if was definitely
called 'Baby.....' Of course by then it was discovered
that 'Baby ...' was scheduled as A&M 1006, but never
issued. I don't recall how we knew that it was a John
Sebastian song (I found his own version of it on an album
a few years later, but it seems a very unlikely song for
Phil to do with The Checkmates - depending on the
arrangement of course). Big mystery eh? Something to do
with not good enough for his comeback production maybe?
Phil's Box Set would have been an ideal time for him to
reveal it to the world. Of course there's a lot of
material still in the vaults that we might get to hear
sometime. Gary, how about quietly borrowing the key from
Dad and letting us hear them all? 

BTW, what's the state of play with Nancy Sinatra and Phil
dating? 

keith beach 


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Message: 23
   Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:02:17 +0100
   From: "J.H. Ket" 
Subject: Re: Kit Kats

> My favorite track by them is "That's the Way" which
> answers the question "What if Phil Spector produced the
> Tokens, Randy & The Rainbows or The 4 Seasons? (with
> Jerry Lee Lewis on Piano)"

After listening to "That's the way" the song and sound
keeps "spinning like a windmill in my mind" for hours. A
great Folkrocker!! I cured myself by listening to "The
Mojo Men-Should I cry". You can hear it at musica for
anyone who suffers the same problem.

Hans Ket


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Message: 24
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:09:31 +0000
   From: "Don Charles" 
Subject: Jeff Barry's Greatest Hits

Anyone who knows me also knows that Jeff Barry's work is
an obsession of mine.  The first article I wrote about
him focused on his production work, which I've collected
for many years.  For the record, here's a list of what I
consider to be the 25 greatest Jeff Barry productions,
though they're not necessarily my personal favorites. 
All were hits on either a US or UK chart, and of course,
some had co-producers (i. e. Ellie Greenwich, Shadow
Morton, etc).  Without further ado . . .

1.  Sugar, Sugar - The Archies
2.  Baby, I Love You - Andy Kim
3.  Cherry, Cherry - Neil Diamond
4.  How'd We Ever Get This Way? - Andy Kim
5.  Jingle Jangle - The Archies
6.  Bang-Shang-A-Lang - The Archies
7.  Be My Baby - Andy Kim
8.  Shoot 'Em Up, Baby - Andy Kim
9.  I'm A Believer - The Monkees
10. A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees
11. Montego Bay - Bobby Bloom
12. (Sha La Boom Boom) Heavy Makes You Happy - Bobby Bloom
13.  The Kind Of Boy You Can't Forget - The Raindrops
14.  Iko Iko - The Dixie Cups
15.  Remember (Walkin' In The Sand) - The Shangri-Las*
16.  I Wanna Love Him So Bad - The Jellybeans
17.  Chapel Of Love - The Dixie Cups
18.  Leader Of The Pack - The Shangri-Las
19.  So Good Together - Andy Kim
20.  Hold On, Baby - Sam Hawkins
21.  Girl, You'll Be A Woman Soon - Neil Diamond
22.  Lay A Little Lovin' On Me - Robin McNamara with the cast of "Hair"
23.  Thank The Lord For The Night Time - Neil Diamond
24.  Did You See Her Eyes? - The Illusion
25.  Shilo - Neil Diamond

*Jeff Barry vocally creates all the seagull noises on
this record, using cupped hands and an echo chamber!

Attention, Laura Pinto: Got any additions or corrections
to this list, LP?

Don Charles


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