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Spectropop - Digest Number 353

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                 Exemplifying the Best in Popular Music

There are 17 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 353:

      1. Re: And Then He Sued Me?
           From: LePageWeb 
      2. "It Doesn't Matter Anymore"
           From: "David Ponak" 
      3. It Doesn't Matter Anymore
           From: Stewart Mason 
      4. Re: Status Cymbal update and Kit Kats
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
      5. Re: Fake Party Songs
           From: "Nick Archer" 
      6. Re: Kenny Young/San Francisco Earthquake
           From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
      7. Intentionally Deleted
             By: "Spectropop Administration" 
      8. CROWD NOISE
           From: "Warren Cosford" 
      9. Re: Fuzzy Bunnies
           From: "Javed Jafri" 
     10. Re: Fake Party Songs
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
     11. Typo and more Bits
           From: "Paul Payton" 
     12. quality
           From: James Botticelli 
     13. Re: Kit Kats
           From: "Justin McDevitt" 
     14. Re: CD Towers
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
     15. Re: CD Towers
           From: "Justin McDevitt" 
     16. It ain't fair
           From: "Ken Levine" 
     17. Beach Boys tribute by Loose Bruce Kerr, original
           From: Bruce Kerr 


Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:04:41 +0900
   From: LePageWeb 
Subject: Re: And Then He Sued Me?

Hello all,

Steve McClure wrote:

> I just heard Miss Cathy Brasher performing He Told Me He
> Loved Me on Spectropop's GirlPop Radio. Was there ever any
> litigation concerning this song's uncanny similarity to
> Then He Kissed Me?

The first time I heard this I couldn't believe it -
checked the credits and sure enough, Miss Cathy Brasher
claims the songwriting! Never heard of any litigation,
but there definitely would have been a justifiable claim
- both the melody and lyric of Then He Kissed Me were
blatantly lifted for this song.

Original or otherwise, the records I have heard by her
are top notch. Definitely LA in origin, her records were
arranged by Ray Pohlman and A&R'd by Stan Silver. Don't know
if this is complete but here is a 45 discography. I've never
heard "All I Need To Know," "Little Boys" or "Where Memories
Begin." Can anyone play these for us?


Only When I Dream / Where Memories Begin LAP INT'L 1001 64 
I'll Remember Jimmy / Too Late To Be Lovers ERA 3129 64
He Told Me He Loved Me / Shh...Listen CHATTAHOOCHEE 690 65 
All I Need To Know / Little Boys CHATTAHOOCHEE 713 66 

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Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:12:26 -0800
   From: "David Ponak" 
Subject: "It Doesn't Matter Anymore"

The Burt Bacharach/Hal David song "It Doesn't Matter
Anymore" (which appears on the Cyrkle's "Neon") was
originally recorded by Ricky Nelson. It was on the Decca
LP (since reissued on CD by MCA Japan) called "On The
Flip Side," which was the soundtrack to a TV
special/musical starring Nelson and Joanie Sommers. It's
the story of a has been pop star (Nelson) being helped by
a guardian angel. (Sommers.) All of the music was
composed by Bacharach & David. Some of the tracks are a
bit corny, but there are some lost gems on it, for sure.

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Message: 3
   Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:27:44 -0700
   From: Stewart Mason 
Subject: It Doesn't Matter Anymore

Guy Lawrence asked:
>There's also a Bacharach/David song I'd never heard of
>before - "It Doesn't Matter Anymore" - anyone know of any
>other recordings of this? 

The extremely spotty tribute album WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS
NOW: SONGS OF BURT BACHARACH (Big Deal, 1998, out of
print since the company went under but still available
used pretty readily) has a fine version of this by the
Scottish pop group BMX Bandits, which hews pretty close
to the Cyrkle's version.

This is a petty obscure song for B&D, written for a
one-hour musical called ON THE FLIP SIDE starring Rick
Nelson (post-teen idol, pre-country rock) as...erm...a
washed-up teen idol.  It was broadcast on ABC in 1966,
and the cast album is Decca 4836, which I'm sure is
screamingly out of print.   

The Cyrkle's NEON also includes a personal favorite of
mine, "Please Don't Ever Leave Me," which is notable for
being just about the most embarrasingly abject, begging
love song ever.  I mean, Ginny freakin' Arnell could have
sung this, that's how desperate it is!


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Message: 4
   Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:20:03 -0000
   From: Billy G. Spradlin 
Subject: Re: Status Cymbal update and Kit Kats

> On a totally different front, anyone else like the Kit
> Kats' "Let's Get Lost On a Country Road" as much as I do?

I love that song too - I was in a Wichita KS record store
(Yesterday Discs) last year and spotted a used copy of
the "Its About Time" CD. David Bash has raved about this
CD and I decided to preview it and was "knocked out" by
"Lets Get Lost..". 

My favorite track by them is "That's the Way" which
answers the question "What if Phil Spector produced the
Tokens, Randy & The Rainbows or The 4 Seasons? (with
Jerry Lee Lewis on Piano)"

The stereo remix on the CD is great, but I love the
original mono LP/45 mix which has more thundering
echo-reverb! I have a feeling that the master tape didn't
have any reverb and was added in the mixdown. The CD
remix tries hard to duplicate that sound but you can hear
a difference with the digital reverb.

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Message: 5
   Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:05:33 -0600
   From: "Nick Archer" 
Subject: Re: Fake Party Songs

What about all of the Johnny Rivers "Live" at the Whiskey
LP? Was the intro party on Psychedelic Shack the same as
I Can't Get Next To You? How about Down at Papa Joe's by
the Dixiebelles?

Nick Archer

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Message: 6
   Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:34:18 -0800
   From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
Subject: Re: Kenny Young/San Francisco Earthquake

> Kenny produced a 1969 album in the UK for Clodagh
> Rodgers - Midnight Clodagh - sung on some of the tracks
> and wrote most of them, including a couple of UK hits,
> Biljo and Goodnight Midnight. Probably not Martin's cup
> of tea but she did also sing a nice Jackie DeShannon
> song on the album....
> Peter

Here are the Kenny Young-related 45's I've got (I suspect
the Clodagh Rogers one is on the 1969 LP):

Patti's Groove:
1. It Won't Last Too Long (K. Young)/ Tears (Fill The
Hours)(Bruce Milner-Barry Milner)
  Columbia 4-43484: 1966, Produced & Arranged by Bob Hughes

The Squirrels:
2. Who's The Bird! (Kenny Young)/A Girl's Imagination
(Kenny Young)
  RCA Victor 47-9127: 1967, Produced by Kenny Young

The Seagulls:
3. Don't Go Out Into The Rain (You're Gonna Melt)(K.
Young)/Hitting The Moon With A Sling Shot (K. Young)
 Date 2-1536: 1966, Produced by Kenny Young, Arranged by
Kenny Young
4. Twiggs (K. Young)/Charlie No One (K. Young)
 Date 2-1551: 1967, A Kenny Young Production, Arranged &
Conducted by Jimmy Wisner
5. Death Of A Clown (R. Davies-D. Davies)/Anabel (K.
Young-B. Yardley)
 Date 2-1573: 1967, A Kenny Young Production

San Francisco Earthquake:
6. Sophia (K. Young)/Hold The Night (K. Young) Smash
S-2203: 1968, Produced by Bill & Steve Jerome for Real
Good Productions Inc., Arranged & Conducted by Herb
7. The Day Lorraine Came Down (K. Young)/Everybody
Laughed (K. Young) Smash S-2218: 1969, Produced by Steve
& Bill Jerome, Arranged & Conducted by Herb Bernstein

The Marshmellow Highway:
8. I Don't Wanna Live This Way (Ogerman-English)/Loving
You Makes Everything Alright (Young-English)
 Kapp K-904: 1968, Produced by Claus Ogerman & Scott
English, Arranged & Conducted by Claus Ogerman

Clodagh Rogers:
9. Spider (Young)/Biljo (Young)
  RCA 47-9779: 1969, Produced by Kenny Young, Arranged by
Ian Green, Vocal Arrangement by Kenny Young

The Happenings:
10. Me Without You (Kenny Young)(Mono/Stereo Promo)
 Big Tree 153: 1972, Produced by Jimmy Bowen for Amos
Productions, Inc.

These are all quite good - very talented guy!

And note that this is the original version of "Don't Go
Out Into The Rain (You're Gonna Melt)" which Herman's
Hermits quickly covered, scoring a #18 US hit in the

And of course "Me About You" is a completely different
song than the Bonner-Gordon composition, a lush
orchestrated ballad in this case.


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Message: 7
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:10:31 +0900
   From: "Spectropop Administration" 
Subject: Intentionally Deleted

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Message: 8
   Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:30:02 -0500
   From: "Warren Cosford" 

> And thinking of the Vibrations reminds me that
> somebody should do a compilation of records using fake
> audience/party noises as an effect, e.g. the Miracles'
> "I Gotta Dance (To Keep From Cryin')", Shirley Ellis's
> "The Nitty Gritty" and the CODs' "Michael". Any more?

My favorite is "Stand By Me" by David and Jimmy Ruffin.  
Great cut.

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Message: 9
   Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:44:14 -0500
   From: "Javed Jafri" 
Subject: Re: Fuzzy Bunnies

David Gordon wrote :

>  John Turi - didn't he play in a band called Bulldog
>  with a couple of ex- Young / Rascals. This would be
>  around 73 - 75.

Gene Cornish and Dino Danelli from the Rascals were in
Bulldog. They had one hit called "No" in 1972. Sorry but
I don't know anything about John Turi. Dino and Gene
formed Fotomaker in the late 70's with Wally Bryson of
the Raspberries.

>  "No Good To Cry" - is that the Al Anderson song he
>  wrote for the Wildweeds and subsquently covered by a
>  whole bunch of people including John Fred and the
>  Playboy Band ?

A version of "No Good to Cry" by the Poppy Family was a
hit in Canada.


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Message: 10
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 04:16:32 -0000
   From: Billy G. Spradlin 
Subject: Re: Fake Party Songs

One of my favorites is a southern "frat party" version of
"In The Midnight Hour" by a group called "The IN" on
Hickory, with some nice shreaks at the beginning of the
record and in between verses.  

Another great party croud is on the "live" side of Paul
Revere & The Raiders "Here They Come" LP!


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Message: 11
   Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:10:00 -0500
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Typo and more Bits

In my last post re: Magic Lamp, a typo crept in - or
actually out, as there was an omission. I wrote: "And
Carol Kaye: thank you for the background on Joe Osborn.
One of the reasons his group is so outstanding is having
first-person resources like you on it." The error, of
course, is the missing "t" before "his." I'm sure Joe
Osborn's team was great but THIS group benefits from
Carol et al.... (Lest we return to the Ronnie Spector
debacle of a few months back! :-)

JB: I've got the Jimmy James & The Vagabonds 45, too;
good, but not as great as Big Al IMHO.

Nick Archer: PLEASE pass along the Status Cymbal info as
soon as you get it; that would be great. And yes, I like
the Kit Kats too, but my fave is the track they did as
the New Hope, "Won't Find Better Than Me."

Peter and Martin: in light of your comments, I can then
assume the Kenny Youngs we are talking about are one and
the same?

RonnieOldiesGuy: WOW! Janie Grant AND Shelby Flint?!?
Two all-time favorites!!!! Both "Triangle" and "Angel On
My Shoulder" are two of those rare not-one-note-wasted
masterpieces! And Gerry Granahan, too?!? I'm sure many
of you know he was also Dicky Doo of Dicky Doo and the
Don'ts ("Click Clack" - another superb Philly track).
(Two other Shelby Flint 45's of great note: the
beautiful waltz "I Will Love You" and the mournful
"Pipes For Keith," complete with bagpipes.)

Mike Rashkow introduces an interesting thread - the
country side of soft pop. Indeed, in early rock days,
"country" wasn't the "bad word" in pop it became at
various times. I'm particularly warm about early George
Hamilton IV (his ABC Paramount sides) - just found "Only
One Love" without having to spend $240 for the Bear
Family box set - and in his early RCA days he was part
of a "folk country" movement which led him to record
some superb covers of "Early Morning Rain," "Changes"
and more, all with the Anita Kerr Singers, of course.

One last thought - a fake Archies?!? Covering the hits
of a group that never existed?? Without the actual
original lead voice??? Who will be as "beloved" as
'NSync??? I writhe in painful anticipation. Marshall
McLuhan was indeed right: the medium is the message.

Country Paul

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Message: 12
   Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:29:42 EST
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: quality

I agree with a previous assessment that the quality here
has increased exponentially in the last few
months...I've been here a while and enjoyed it--at least
three years I think--and these days, I submit, may be
the Golden Days...Keep it up y'all...

JB/full of buttercups and rainbows 

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Message: 13
   Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:49:19 -0600
   From: "Justin McDevitt" 
Subject: Re: Kit Kats

> On a totally different front, anyone else like the Kit
> Kats' "Let's Get Lost On a Country Road" as much as I do?

If my memory serves me correctly, I first heard LET'S GET
LOST ON A COUNTRY ROAD in January-February 1967. I
believe that the group hailed from the Philadelphia area.
I only wish I could have seen them perform at the Main
Point or one of the other small clubs that were operating
in the Philly area during that time.

THAN ME on the B-side. In fact, LET'S GET LOST ON A
COUNTRY ROAD is included on the first of a series of 12
soft pop-rock collections on cassette that I began
putting together in the late 1980's'



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Message: 14
   Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:47:34 -0000
   From: Billy G. Spradlin 
Subject: Re: CD Towers

I put together a simular compilation for my last SOTT (son
of Tape Tree). Its a group of 25-30 people who trade CD's
mostly of Power Pop, but with my comp I went all 60's with
it. It's a grab bag of longtime and new favorites with a
garage band slant. 

1) The Cryan Shames - I Wanna Meet You
2) The Morticians - Little Latin Lupe Lu
3) The Inferno - The Hurt Doesnt Go Away
4) The Fugitives - She Believes In Me
5) The Vouges - 05 O' Clock World (split track stereo mix
from Varese Sarabande's "Stereo Oldies" CD)
6) Los Shakers - Smile Again
7) The Beach Boys - Good To My Baby (stereo mix from
8) The Beatles - And Your Bird Can Sing (alt take remix)
(From the "Anthology II" CD - my own mix, I removed John &
Paul's laughing using Sound Forge)
9) The Who - Subsitute (the Atco USA single version which
has different lyrics and is 45 seconds shorter)
10) The Robbs - Race With The Wind
11) The Ballroom - Spinning Spinning Spinning (Stereo
Synch-Up remix - I combined the original mono mix with
the stereo backing track from Sundazed's "Magic Time" CD
- Sounds nice!)
12) The Cowsills - A Most Peculiar Man
13) S.N. And The C.T. - The Pleasure Of Your Company 
14) Peanut - Im Waiting For The Day 
15) Ola & The Janglers - I Can Wait
16) Every Mothers Son - The Proper Four Leaf Clover
17) The Dave Clark Five - Concentration Baby (for shock
value - Stereo!)
18) The Ventures - Wild Child
19) The Gants - I Wonder
20) The Ides Of March - Im Gonna Say My Prayers
21) The Five Americans - Stop Light 
22) Colours - Lovin'
23) Herman's Hermits - Wings Of Love
24) The New Colony Six - Hold Me With Your Eyes
25) Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Happiness
26) The Caravelles - The Other Side Of Love (I had to get
at least one girl group in there)
27) Neil MacArthur (aka Colin Blunstone) - It's Not Easy
28) The Magic Lanterns - Shame Shame
29) The Hollies - Please Let Me Please
30) The Flying Machine - Maybe We've Been Loving Too Long
31) Zoot - Better Get Going Now

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Message: 15
   Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:19:08 -0600
   From: "Justin McDevitt" 
Subject: Re: CD Towers



reading through your track list was intriguing since as
Alan states, it brings together music from different
genres and eras. I was thinking about stepping up to the
plate and requesting a copy. However, this felt a little
like imposing, though I recognize that sharing music is
one of the key elements that brings this group together. 

So let me know if this is doable for you right now.


Alan Zweig wrote:

> "Javed Jafri" wrote
> >:
> >Ok here goes. Here is a comp I made for my car player:
> >
> >Superman--The Clique
> >It Could Be We're In Love--The Cryan Shames
> >Questions and Answers--Apples In Stereo
> >Sausilito-Ohio Express
> You offering copies?  

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Message: 16
   Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:53:55 -0800
   From: "Ken Levine" 
Subject: It ain't fair

Doesn't it seem odd that the two best singers of the Brill
Building composers (Ellie Greenwich and Barry Mann) didn't
have big recording careers while other less, well "gifted"
singers did?

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Message: 17
   Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:47:10 EST
   From: Bruce Kerr 
Subject: Beach Boys tribute by Loose Bruce Kerr, original


The musica section has available my original tribute to
the Beach Boys from '93: "No Gold in California." Done on
my 4 track TEAC cassette in the garage, me on 5 vocals,
bass, electric & acoutic guitar, telling the story of
California losing its glow in the Recession that year,
very much like now. 

Hope you enjoy the Beach Boys type harmony.

best regards,


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