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Spectropop - Digest Number 335

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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this Digest Number 335:

      1. Re: The song Orange Colored Sky
           From: "Joseph Scott" 
      2. Shangs again
           From: "Ian Chapman" 
      3. Tandyn Almer
           From: "Harvey Williams" 
      4. Foskett, Almer et al
           From: "Kingsley Abbott" 
      5. Tandyn/Troubadour
           From: Matthew David 
      6. Re: Happiness Is Orange Colored Sky
           From: James Botticelli 
      7. Re: Magic Lamp
           From: Elisa  
      8. Magic Lamp, Fountains, Wondermints, Cruise (not Pablo)
           From: "Paul Payton" 
      9. I'm So Good To You
           From: James Botticelli 
     10. Re: Magic Lamp, Fountains, Wondermints, Cruise (not Pablo)
           From: Andrew Hickey 
     11. Re: Shangs again
           From: "Tony Leong " 
     12. Jamie's Desk!
           From: "Martin Roberts" 
     13. Goldmine February issue
           From: "Keith Beach" 
     14. Wondermints
           From: Pekka Laine 
     15. Wash That Softness Right Out Of Your Hair!!!
           From: "Martin Roberts" 
     16. Re: BIG TOWN BOY
           From: LePageWeb 
     17. Woah there Boy!!
           From: "Martin Roberts" 
     18. BIG TOWN BOY
           From: Mick Patrick 
     19. Admin Note
           From: Spectropop Group 


Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:43:14 -0700
   From: "Joseph Scott" 
Subject: Re: The song Orange Colored Sky

"Orange Colored Sky" was a silly song hit written by
Milton DeLugg (a popular accordionist on TV) and Willie
Stein back around 1949 or 1950. Betty Hutton, who was the
'40s-'50s Cyndi Lauper, recorded it back then, as did
others including Nat "King" Cole backed by Stan Kenton
and his Orchestra. Zappa likely knew it then, as a child.
The lyrics "I was walking along minding my business when
love came and hit me in the eye -- Flash! Bam! Alakazam!",
were perfect for a novelty artist like Hutton; having
Ward record the song all those years later cleverly
associated those lyrics with the campy words on the
screen during fights on the Batman series.

Joseph Scott

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Message: 2
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:08:59 -0000
   From: "Ian Chapman" 
Subject: Shangs again

Tony wrote:

> Plus, Shadow Morton confirmed it for me last Spring
> that the lead SINGING voice on "What Is Love" IS Betty
> Weiss.

Thanks for clearing that one up at last, Tony.  But the
puzzling question still remains:  If Betty's voice was
that good (and on the evidence of "What Is Love" I'll
stick my neck out and suggest it was even better than
Mary's) then why didn't they use her more often??

>Any way, I
> have a version of "I Can Never Go Home Anymore" where
> after the violins end at the bridge, Mary pleads
> "Lissssten--I'm not finisssshhhhed" (as breathlessly and
> emotionally as only SHE could), then the line 'Did you
> ever get that feeling....." continues. In the normal
> pressings of the song (sans "I'm not finished"), that
> line is edited out into a bit of a mumble if you listen
> closely

Yes, the only place I know where you can find that
version is on Taragon's "Very Best of Red Bird/Blue Cat
Records".  This is a collection which everyone with any
interest in those labels should try and obtain.  Taragon
have a reputation for high quality mastering, and the
(true) stereo on this set is absolutely stunning - apart
>from Mary's extra spoken bit, you will hear lots of
little instrumental detail that you weren't aware of
before.  I think it's still available, but check
Taragon's site at


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Message: 3
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:34:17 -0000
   From: "Harvey Williams" 
Subject: Tandyn Almer

Great to see so much discussion about Tandyn Almer in the
group lately, and to actually hear Degeneration Gap after
years of searching; thanks for that Al. I actually quite
like it!!

Tandyn also wrote Little Girl Lost & Found, a minor hit
for for the Garden Club (as has been mentioned round here
before), and could conceivably been a member of said
combo too. (It was covered fabulously in the UK by Peter
& The Wolves.) I also ought to mention a 45 by a band
called Pleasure entitled Poor Old Organ Grinder, which
has an Almer writing credit. It's another great
multi-sectioned big production opus, telling the tale of
a highwire act which goes terribly wrong.... 

I believe he also recorded an LP of demos for Almo/Irving
Publishing (like the Paul Williams-Roger Nichols LP);
there's also a songbook called "Along Comes Tandyn",
which contains "12 new songs arranged for pop groups",
such as "I Get High", "Sunset Strip Soliloquy", "Alice
Designs" & others. I've no idea where these numbers ended
up, or indeed where Almer ended up. Does anyone else?
All the best for 2002,
Harvey Williams.

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Message: 4
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:04:15 -0000
   From: "Kingsley Abbott" 
Subject: Foskett, Almer et al

Picking up on a couple of recent threads, I'd like to
thoroughly recommend any and all of Jeff Foskett's solo
work.  There are several CD's, all of which feature
wonderful melodies and full harmonies.  Also, his
sidekick on New Surf records Jeff Larson, has two
excellent albums available too, with "Watercolour Sky"
being a great place to start.  Apparantly the pair have
plans for a joint venture later this year which should be
quite something.   Seriously woth investigating by anyone
on this list!

Regarding Tandyn Almer and his writing credits, I seem
to recall that there was a school of thought that had
Curt Boettcher as the original writer of "Along Comes
Mary" before TA popped up.  What stage the song was at
that point is of course anyone's guess.  I don't think
anyone ever totally sorted that one out, so I guess that
we must trust what shows as the current credits. Well
worth reading Dawn Eden's great original Goldmine piece
about the whole Curt/Gary Usher time - so much great
music emerged at that time.  One credit Tandyn Almer
does appear to have (Co- with 'Walsh') is on the single
"Little Girl Lost And Found" by The Garden Club (A&M 848).
He co-arranged it too with the producer Larry Marks. 
It's a totally lovely slab of sunshine music, which Joe
Foster reckons has Ruth Ann Friedman singing on with
others. Its another thoroughly recommended disc worth
seriously considering selling granny for!

A happy, safe and healthy 2002 to all

Kingsley Abbott

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Message: 5
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 19:38:53 EST
   From: Matthew David 
Subject: Tandyn/Troubadour

Bruce Kerr writes:
> ...was Tandyn Almer a performer as well, do you know?

There's a 1969 album by Dennis Olivieri called COME TO
THE PARTY.  Tandyn Almer produced the album and is
credited with playing rocksichord, Thomas Celebrity
Organ and autoharp.

Here's an excerpt from the John Kay book MAGIC CARPET

"A group (called The Men) rehearsed at the Troubadour
during the day, ten guys, an all male folk revue.  Doug
Weston was involved in putting them together and they
performed at the Music Box Theater in Hollywood for
awhile. One of the guys in the group was an artist named
Tony Mafia, part Sicilian and part Cherokee.  Following
a difference of opinion with the others, Tony was thrown
out of the group.  The remaining members went on to
become the pop group The Association, whose first hit,
Along Comes Mary, was written by Tandyn Alma who lived
upstairs at the Troubadour in a little room next to Doug
Weston's office.  He was reclusive but friendly, a truly
talented piano player and songwriter."

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Message: 6
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:34:48 EST
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: Re: Happiness Is Orange Colored Sky

In a message dated 12/31/01, stealth munchkin writes:

> have always wondered if Orange Colored Sky was, like its
> A-side, a Frank Zappa song.

My only memory of Orange Colored Sky is Natalie Cole's
version on the "Unforgettable" album where she
resurrected her Dad. So its probably written by a pop
writer of the 50's if its the same song. However if its
"Orange Sky", it could have been written by Arthur Lee of
Love in '67 or so...Either that or I don't know. Hope
that didn't hurt...JB

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Message: 7
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 16:46:28 -0000
   From: Elisa  
Subject: Re: Magic Lamp

Hello everyone!

I've just come back from a frosty and lovely new year's
in North new kitten Minna is sleeping by
my feet. Bless.

> Now can anyone tell me anything about Jane Canada, who did
> the excellent original of Jackie DeShannon's Am I Dreaming
> on Magic Lamp records? Indeed can anyone tell me more
> about Magic Lamp - the only other 45 I have on this label
> is a Johnny Burnette production. 

I can't tell you about Jane Canada (awesome name though...)
but I have to say, this is the first time I've ever heard
anyone talk about Magic Lamp records! 

All I know about them is that it was the Carpenters'
first label, probably based somewhere near their hometown
of Downey CA, for which they recorded the amazing "I'll
be yours", the flip side of "looking for love".  As far
as I know a lot of the label's masters were lost in a
fire, and Richard Carpenter had to transfer the song from
his copy for the box set that came out a few years back.
There are only 500 copies of the single around, so it's
the best way to hear it.

For a nice take on soft rock, I can heartily recommend
their first album as well - "Ticket to Ride" (although an
earlier version was called "Offering" and had a different
cover...if memory serves me correct!)

And strangely enough, Magic Lamp was what I called my
little indie band a few years back (and we covered that
Carpenters song too, as well as the Shirelles' "baby it's

Ah, memories.

Happy new year everyone - and wish I could have made it
to Martin's party...


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Message: 8
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:17:53 -0500
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Magic Lamp, Fountains, Wondermints, Cruise (not Pablo)

Peter writes: 

> ...can anyone tell me more about Magic Lamp - the only
> other 45 I have on this label is a Johnny Burnette
> production"

Happy New Year, Peter. I have one 45 on the label:

ML-705 Mickey Jones & The Triumphs: "I Can Live Without
You"/"I Thought I Could" Prod. Joe Osborn; Arr. Larry
Knechtel (!)

It has a Beach Boys-ish feeling, sounds like c. 1964 or
so. "A" side is very good, lots of creative transitions;
partial falsetto lead vocal. I remember nothing about
the "B" side. Label address is PO Box 3244, N. Hollywood,
CA (no zipcode listed). Does anyone know anything about
this artist? And what was the Johnny Burnette production
on Magic Lamp?

David Feldman: 
> "Fountains of Wayne: Utopia Parkway

Superb album is virtually every aspect. By the way, Ivy,
a group I recommended earlier for some neo-girl-group
material, is one-third Adam Schellinger from Fountains
of Wayne. Top track from their latest CD "Long
Distance": "Edge of the Ocean." Repeating my earlier
recommendation: excellent! Grab it if you haven't. (Not
their paid promo man, just a fan.)

Andrew Hickey: 
> "Wondermints - Wonderful World Of".

Heard them of course behind Brian live. Any suggestions
as to the best album of original material to start with?

John Rausch: thanks for the Julee Cruise comments.
Actually, my surprise is that she isn't mentioned here
more, being that her sound is so Spectropoppish (for the
uninitiated, think Paris Sisters accompanied by Duane
Eddy). I know a lot of it came from David Lynch and
Angelo Badalamente; I remember reading an interview with
her once a long time ago that she was only using a
miniscule portion of her range singing in her "soft"
voice, and that she was more of a belter by nature. The
album that does it for me: "Floating Into The Night."
Most of her other work is, I believe, on David Lynch

By the way, during the second year of "Twin Peaks,"
three of the younger characters (1 male, 02 female) sang
a gorgeous doo-wop ballad, "Just You, Just Me," which
could have been an Innocents track. I don't think it
ever showed up on any soundtrack albums - or am I wrong?
(I seem to remember hearing that Lynch wrote the song.)

Justin Mcdevitt: Shirley Matthews' BIG TOWN BOY was a
Bob Crewe Productions. I think it may have originally
been on Amy.

May 2002 be happy, healthy, and musical for all!

Country Paul

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Message: 9
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:37:10 EST
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: I'm So Good To You

In a message dated 12/31/01, stealth_munchkin writes:

> > (And what was that crappy song that Wilson Philips
> > sang?)
> That was You're So Good To Me, an album filler from
> the Summer Days... And Summer Nights! album. I quite
> like it myself, but the BBs version is a lot better
> than the version on the tribute...

There's also an instrumental version of "You're So Good
To Me" on one of those 6T's Beach Boys LP's

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Message: 10
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:04:50 -0800 (PST)
   From: Andrew Hickey 
Subject: Re: Magic Lamp, Fountains, Wondermints, Cruise (not Pablo)

> > "Wondermints - Wonderful World Of".
> Heard them of course behind Brian live. Any
> suggestions as to the best album of original 
> material to start with?

They've only released 3 albums so far (though there
are numerous cassettes of demos and things floating
about). Wonderful World Of is almost all covers, but I
actually think it's their best album (the cover of
Knowing Me, Knowing You alone makes it worth getting -
an incredible version that made me love a song I'd
hated previously).

Of the two albums of original material, I actually
prefer their eponymous album, but most fans seem to
prefer the later 'Bali'. 'Wondermints' is slightly
more pop than Bali, which is more soft-rock and
slightly lusher in sound. But there's very little to
choose between them and they're all excellent albums...

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Message: 11
   Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 05:25:10 -0000
   From: "Tony Leong " 
Subject: Re: Shangs again

--- In spectropop, "Ian Chapman" wrote:

> Tony wrote:
> > Plus, Shadow Morton confirmed it for me last Spring
> > that the lead SINGING voice on "What Is Love" IS Betty
> > Weiss.
> If Betty's voice was that good (and on the evidence
> of "What Is Love" I'll stick my neck out and suggest
> it was even better than Mary's) then why didn't they
> use her more often??
> > I have a version of "I Can Never Go Home Anymore" where
> > after the violins end at the bridge, Mary pleads
> > "Lissssten--I'm not finisssshhhhed" (as breathlessly and
> > emotionally as only SHE could), 
> Yes, the only place I know where you can find that
> version is on Taragon's "Very Best of Red Bird/Blue Cat
> Records".

Yes Ian, and Happy New Year, that was the Taragon CD with
Mary's emotional plea!!! Too bad there was no Shangs
studio chatter (oh, it would have to be bleeped out I'm
sure--sorry, I always have to bring that up!!).

Shadow is quoted in print as saying that BETTY was a
better singer, but MARY had a more appealing sound.  We
all also know that Betty was not a constant member of the
group during late 1964-mid 65.  Have you ever heard the
Shangri-Las version of "I'm Blue"?? MaryAnn and Margie
both alternate lines throughout most of the song, and their
voices were also very strong albeit rough and deep.
Overall, EVERYTHING about the Shangri-Las was great--
their sound, their look, their style- -EVERYTHING!!!!!!

Tony Leong 

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Message: 12
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:45:55 -0000
   From: "Martin Roberts" 
Subject: Jamie's Desk!

Loved Jamie's review of Gerry Goffin's "Entertainment" LP,
seem to remember Gary Usher did a same thing in
belittling his past, although of course there was that
one Beach Party too many! 

Sandy Salisbury - I agree about Sandy, not heard Falling...

David Gates, Fab selection although (for a boot?) maybe a
trifle ordinary?  Or is that maybe because it's 7 years
old & lots of stuff has been re-released. How about Dotty
& Kathy "Prince Of My Dreams" etc.? 

Paris Sisters, Quite nice mix of tracks  "Everything
Under The Sun" LP, Phil's stuff & couple of others for a
boot (see comment No.2!) and the credits are all over the
place, Dream Lover not Nitzsche, My Good Friend is
Nitzsche, as is You, Too Good To be True & I'm Me. I Love
How You Love Me, could be Mike Curb but nothing else from
the LP has been used. Could it be the UK Chinn & Chapman

Jack Nitzsche, Super. But Lonely Girl? B Side of Dream
Lover. He's not credited, most of this period SOUND like
Nitzsche. Is there something we should know?!

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Message: 13
   Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 07:20:41 -0000
   From: "Keith Beach" 
Subject: Goldmine February issue

In case I was unintentionally rude and didn't thank
everyone for the info on Brussels record stores, I thank
you now. The Canadian buddy that the info was for has
just sent me this:-

> Just saw an ad in Goldmine: the Feb.22/02 issue of
> Goldmine has a cover feature on Phil Spector.

Thanks to everyone on the Spectropop site for
revitalising my interest in "the music that will not die"
And special thanks to Martin and Sue for the 'Old Folks
Party' (lovely singalong on the coach going home!)

Keith Beach 

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Message: 14
   Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:48:42 +0200
   From: Pekka Laine 
Subject: Wondermints


Comment on the Wondermints and thier albums. If you don't
have any get "Bali" first. Really nicely produced album
by this great band

Pekka Laine, Helsinki Finland

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Message: 15
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 18:34:35 -0000
   From: "Martin Roberts" 
Subject: Wash That Softness Right Out Of Your Hair!!!

Hopefully I've now learned the black art of mp3ing
(thank You Phil) and although I'm not sure this is the
polite way to do it (what the heck!) there should be 3
fab songs of love and passion...
1/ Just to show that the Jerome Brothers were not just
about classic doowop, glorious girl groups, wonderful boy
groups & gorgeous Reperata & The Delrons This beautiful
Souly (but don't let that put you off!) ballad by Aldora
Britton Am I Ever Gonna See My Baby Again

2/ Margie Day's Tell Me In The Sunlight. Thumping but
slightly under mixed Erect a Spector. (Come on Peter
altogether now Everytime That You ...Walk In The Room!)

3/ Tiffany Michel Dixie. A record I've been wanting to
share for ages. Our Peggy singing her heart out ably
assisted by producer Bob Gaudio. 

Let the group know if you like them!!! Our else I might
play the 24hr uncut version of Hotel Indiscreet!

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Message: 16
   Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 01:07:05 +0900
   From: LePageWeb 
Subject: Re: BIG TOWN BOY

Justin Mcdevitt wrote:

> As yet, I have not tried to locate this recording on the
> Internet. Does anyone know if it is available to download
> as an MP3 file...

Hi Justin - Welcome to the group.

I doubt music of this nature is going to hit Presslay or
MusicNet or any of the commercial download mp3 sites in
the near future. You really gotta wonder about the
commercial feasibility of these corporate ventures.
Naturally the big conglomerates seek high return on their
internet start up companies, so chances are their
available "stock" of files are going to read like a CHR
chart. But the mega-artists are already in every CD store
in the world. What about the out-of-print stuff? Hopefully
specialist-oriented *licensed* download sites will become
a reality so we can get Big Town Boy for one or two Euros
if we want. Or, when someone reissues the Shangri-Las for
the umpteenth time - but in a pristine underdubbed mix on
two of the tracks, I'd like to buy just those. I have the
Shangs on LP, some 45s, on the Red Bird box set (great
liners!), and on a stand alone CD. I just can't justify
buying the Shangri-Las recordings all over again for the
fifth or so time though, especially when so many cool NEW
comps are taxing my credit card limit already.

Theoretically, the licensed download company could provide
a wonderful service for collectors, but I don't see that
happening anytime soon. Pressplay and the others will
inevitably serve as a promotional tool for CDs and
ultimately be judged inferior to the unauthorized free
services in several key areas. Pity is, it doesn't have to
be that way. Making dowloadable pay-per files doesn't
require initial pressing and distribution costs. No risk
of dead stock either. Making reissue comps requires large
initial investment - mostly in putting the licensing
together. Which brings the subject back to Big Town Boy.

Since you're jonzin' for Big Town Boy, you obviously
appreciate the real deal. It's on Where the Girls Are Vol.
4, which is SO good I really recommend you get the disc.
Over and above the grooves, the liners and photos are
brilliant. In fact, the whole WTGA series is essential.
Yes, they are UK imports but they can be had for about $16
each at CD Now etc.

I think as fans of the music we owe it *to ourselves* to
support the reissue business because we sure the heck
can't count on corporate bean counters to give a damn
unless the numbers justify it.


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Message: 17
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 15:22:08 -0000
   From: "Martin Roberts" 
Subject: Woah there Boy!!

Hold on Justin if Mick reads this...
Shirley Matthews & The Big Time Girls have 3 essential
recordings on 'Where The Girls Are Vol.4'. This CD was
only released last year (2001) if you haven't been able
to find it on any on line record sellers...You're not
trying hard enough!!!!! 

The CD is full of wonderful songs & artists,
Heartbreakers, Goodnight Kisses, Carol Shaw, Cookies,
etc., etc., etc. And one track I had on my want list for
nearly 20 years, Angela Martin's Jerome Bros. produced
Dip-Da-Dip (I Want To Be His Girl).

Go on, use some of your Christmas money and treat

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Message: 18
   Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:25:04 +0000 (GMT)
   From: Mick Patrick 

Justin Mcdevitt writes:

> In late 1963-early 1964, Shirley Matthews recorded a song
> called BIG TOWN BOY. I understand that this track is
> included on the WHERE THE GIRLS ARE (vol. 4) Ace Records
> compilation which as far as I know has not been released
> in the US.

> As yet, I have not tried to locate this recording on the
> Internet. Does anyone know if it is available to download
> as an MP3 file, or does anyone have a copy of this song
> that they could put on a cassette tape?


Do yourself a favour and buy the friggin' CD. Ace Records
are a British company but their CDs are readily available
in the USA. Try Amazon or one of the dealers that
advertise in Goldmine or Discoveries magazine. In fact, I
frequently see Ace CDs listed by US mail order companies
for sale at prices lower than they are sold for in the UK.
You could buy the whole CD for the cost of just one of
the twenty-odd great 45s it contains.

Fair enough, if you can't find an obscure or rare record,
get someone to record it for you. But for Pete's sake,
how the hell are great reissue companies like Ace Records
supposed to survive if even the people with a serious
interest in the music they provide refuse to actually
purchase their product. With any luck you'll find more
than just one track you like on WHERE THE GIRLS ARE vol 4.

I helped compile and annotate this CD. That means I chose
the tracks and wrote the booklet for a very modest fee. I
put my heart and soul into the work I do. I like to think
I do it quite well. You'll have to ask someone else for
an unbiased opinion whether this CD is worth buying or

Sometimes I feel that maybe I should just retire and lock
myself away with my 45s.


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   Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:36:54 +0900
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