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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this Digest Number 319:

      1. Re: Marvin and Tammi's "Complete Duets"
           From: "John Lester"
      2. Shanklin / Minogue
           From: Michael Rashkow
      3. Re: Patrice Holloway
           From: James Botticelli
      4. Sweets for My Sweet
           From: James Botticelli
      5. The line between Minogue and Taylor - Toys and Smashmouth
           From: "Vlaovic B"
      6. Cameron Crowe's Head Trip
           From: "David Ponak"
      7. Re: Happy Stewball Everyone
           From: Steve McClure
      8. RE: The line between Minogue and Taylor - Toys and Smashmouth
           From: "David Parkinson"
      9. Brenda Holloway / Tammi Terrell
           From: "John Lester"
     10. Sonny Di Nunzio - Racket Squad & Fenways
           From: "Jeff Lemlich"
     11. Can't Get Enough of You Baby
           From: "Jeff Lemlich"
     12. Bonner and Gordon and Round Robin
           From: "Guy Lawrence"
     13. Re: Garry Bonner
           From: "Jeff Lemlich"
     14. Whatever Happened To Happy
           From: "Peter Richmond"
     15. Garry Bonner/Alan Gordon
           From: LePageWeb
     16. Re: The line between Minogue and Taylor - Toys and Smashmouth
           From: Billy G. Spradlin
     17. Love in New York
           From: Robert Tirado
     18. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
           From: Dan Hughes
     19. Adrian Pride;Pat Boone (really); Tennors
           From: "Paul Payton"


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Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:35:09 -0000
   From: "John Lester"
Subject: Re: Marvin and Tammi's "Complete Duets"

Mike W wrote:

> For the unitiated, tell us about the Spectrum recordings
> and the live stuff available...also tell us what the
> bonus track is on the new 2CD set !

The Spectrum release

Cheesed off with a lack of new "old" Tammi recordings, a
few years back the Brits started to badger Spectrum for a
Tammi CD, initially to try and pick up some unissued
recordings. Now at that time, "Lonely Lonely Town" (also
unissued on Barbara McNair) and "I Gotta Find A Way To
Win You Back" had been out (or were just about to come
out) on compilation CD's but not a solo Tammi CD.
Compiler Paul Nixon was allowed to use the "Irresistible"
LP plus extra tracks and so those two afore mentioned
tracks went on. I suggested Slow Down (a track la Ross
did on Never Before Released masters) and Paul managed to
twist Spectrum's arm with that one. My suggestion of the
solo version Aint No Mountain High Enough as the seller
track failed miserably when Spectrum interpreted that as
wanting the duet version with Marvin Gaye. Perish the
thought I should suggest anything untoward about those
couple of good intentioned secretaries who handle things
at Spectrum.

Complete Duets

The "Complete Duets" was done properly. Mr. Weinger knows
what he's doing. Initially the intention was to put onto
paper all the recording information about Tammi and to be
upfront about when the tracks were recorded as duets (or
as the case is, in the rare case that they were recorded
in the studio together) or when Valerie Simpson took over.
Well, doing that was complicated, because the information
couldn't be put into a readily identifiable way and
needed with post scripts all over the place. Further,
Valerie and Nick Ashford remain true to the memory of
Tammi and will never publicly say TOO much about what
really happened. To the initiated, it is clear that
something like The Onion Song is Valerie singing lead but
not everyone is so knowledgeable. I understand that if
you listen to the original multi-tracks (the ones where
you can hear the voices alone) it is as obvious as
distinguishing between Diana Ross and Martha Reeves.
However, you can't issue mult-track versions on CD's for
the general public (sadly!!).

So what do we have instead? Well, although it is the
Complete Duets from Marvin and Tammi, it DOES also
include the Valerie Simpson tracks too and you need to
get this compilation to hear the little extra "laughs"
and studio chatter lines that show the good vibes Marvin
and Tammi generated.

As with all projects, there is a necessity to put on that
little extra for the fans. Trying to find duet recordings
on Marvin and Tammi is like almost impossible (the song
Needle In A Haystack comes to mind!) cos Motown had
basically issued everything a long long time ago when the
partnership was riding high in the charts...with Tammi
being so ill, the only way to get a duet track at that
time was to get Marvin to add his vocals to an already
Tammi solo recording or get Valerie to record the Tammi
part. Well, you all know Marvin wasn't too keen on that
idea (slight understatement but that's besides the point!).
By sheer hard work, Mr. Weinger managed to find a bona
fide duet of "We'll Be Satisfied" (done by the Temps on
their excellent "You've Got To Earn It" Lost and Found CD
- a classic CD if ever there was one)

So there is still loads of room on the second CD, so what
else? Easy peasy to put on the Tammi solo 45's but what
about the rest? And bearing in mind that Spectrum had
just put out the Irresistible plus extra tracks CD (well
lads that is what scheming and dealing goes on behind the
scenes!!! Hee hee).So there was no alternative but to put
on the original solo versions of the duet hits. And Harry
Weinger put on a lot.

There are some right neat little solo recordings still to
be issued. Tammi does a superb version of Caroline
Crawford's "My Heart" for example.

As a post script to the Tammi saga, Tammy Montgomery was
her recording name until 27 October 1965 (Kissing in The
Shadows (also Johnny Bristol) and There Are Things (also
previously Ann Bogan) and then she became Tammi Terrell
on 15 November with Don't Let Me Be Lonely.

By the way, there was a duet Coca cola track and Harry
was being very kind (and I though highly amusing) when he
wrote on a Motown posting Let's hope that Coke will
reconsider allowing this to be issued in the future.

There is also the added and not disclosed "bookends"
aspect to this CD. If you allow the first track on side
one to play "Aint No Mountain High Enough" and then as
soon as it starts you hit the rewind button and go back
about one minute, you get take 14 on the band track...and
then there is the last track on side 2. But hey, buy the
CD please. You all know that if you don't buy these CD's
then chances of anything more of that ilk gets
significantly reduced for the future.

(and no, I don't get a commission for ANY promotion)

Live recordings - lets not go there. I could cry at what
is not available to the public, and you would all be
upset if you knew the amount of live stuff available
generally...and Tammi is not the only person with lots of
live stuff.

I would like to think that the Battle of The Giants live
shows might get issued one day...you know, the Supremes
versus (ultimate winners) The Velvelettes, Stevie versus
Marvin etc. But who knows? One thing is certain, there
are enough unissued Supremes tracks to enable carrots (in
the form of one, two or three and more previously
unissued tracks) to be added to Greatest Hits
compilations long after all of us are gone and forgotten
about - and that is sad.

Phew!

You guys will now know that you don't ask me about Motown,
cos I don't stop talking!!!!!!!!


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Message: 2
   Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:49:50 EST
   From: Michael Rashkow
Subject: Shanklin / Minogue

In a message dated 12/11/2001,

> > MY WIFE CAN'T COOK by LONNIE RUSS was released on the
> > small 4J label (#4J 501) late in 1962. It reached #57 on
> > the Billboard Hot 100 early the following year.
> > 19-year-old Lonnie's real name was Gerald Lionel Russ and
> > he wrote the song himself.
>

So, not to beat a dead wife, but I think I remember that
the arranger listed on the above entitled recording was
Ray Shanklin.  I have noted many mentions of Wayne
Shanklin in various postings.  What have these two in
common besides the name?

---

Also, does anyone know if Kylie Minogue is related to
Dennis Minogue, better know as
Terry Cashman of Cashman (Pistilli) and West?

Mike Rashkow


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Message: 3
   Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:10:47 EST
   From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Patrice Holloway

In a message dated 12/12/01, phouldershaw writes:

> Wow - I never realised Patrice recorded enough for an
> album at Motown. Does anyone have any track details? -
> I've heard 'Those DJ shows' from one of the belgian
> BELMAR cd's - and I think its fair to say she did a
> better job on it than Diana Ross.

Halfway between Diana and Mary Wells...Felice Taylor an
octave lower with a rasp perhaps....

My .02, JB /and yes the discussion has really picked up.
Loads and loads of useless trivia keeps pouring onto my
screen and keep me coming back for more!!


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Message: 4
   Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:17:25 EST
   From: James Botticelli
Subject: Sweets for My Sweet

In a message dated 12/13/01, Spectropop writes:

> anybody got a picture of the Sweets

How about the Sweet Things? I have a pic sleeve 45 of
them...JB


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Message: 5
   Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:57:26 -0500
   From: "Vlaovic B"
Subject: The line between Minogue and Taylor - Toys and Smashmouth

> Also, does anyone know if Kylie Minogue is related to
> Dennis Minogue, better know as Terry Cashman of Cashman
> (Pistilli) and West

No but her sister is Danni!  Is Dennis Australian too?  I
think I brought up the lovely Kylie's name in reference
to her terrific cover of 'I'm under the Influence of Love'.
Wonder where she (or her producers) heard that one!  On
the same note, I just recently discovered the Toys
original (I assume) version 'I can't get enough of you
Baby'.  Any idea as to how Smashmouth found that song and
covered it (rather brilliantly I might add) about two
years ago and made it into a huge hit


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Message: 6
   Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:32:51 -0500
   From: "David Ponak"
Subject: Cameron Crowe's Head Trip

I just noticed that "Porpoise Song" by the Monkees is
being included on the soundtrack CD to Cameron Crowe's
new film "Vanilla Sky" How odd! (but cool)


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Message: 7
   Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:56:00 +0900
   From: Steve McClure
Subject: Re: Happy Stewball Everyone

Re: Happy Stewball Everyone:

(to be sung to the tune of
"Stewball"/"Happy Xmas/War Is Over")


Merry Xmas, John Lennon,
You stole an old song.
You made it a new one,
I don't think that's so wrong.

Steve


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Message: 8
   Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:00:14 -0800
   From: "David Parkinson"
Subject: RE: The line between Minogue and Taylor - Toys and Smashmouth

Vlaovic B wrote:

> I just recently discovered the Toys original (I assume)
> version 'I can't get enough of you Baby'.  Any idea as
> to how Smashmouth found that song and covered it
> (rather brilliantly I might add) about two years ago
> and made it into a huge hit

I bet they remembered the Colourfield's version of it,
>from about 1985 or so. This, of course, was one of Terry
Hall's many guises, post-Fun Boy Three.

David


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Message: 9
   Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:19:20 -0000
   From: "John Lester"
Subject: Brenda Holloway / Tammi Terrell

If you want to know anything about Tammi Terrell, Cal
Street of the Velvelettes is the one to tell it.  Cal and
Tammi were about the same age and were really good
friends...whenever I talk to Cal, the subject of Tammi
always comes up simply because they used to spend so much
time together.

Cal was "sort of" interviewed for the new collection "The
Complete Duets" which features many of Tammi's solo
versions  of the hits that we all know and love by Tammi
AND Marvin.



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Message: 10
   Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:21:47 -0000
   From: "Jeff Lemlich"
Subject: Sonny Di Nunzio - Racket Squad & Fenways

--- In Spectropop, Greg Matecko wrote:

> Producer Nick Cenci pulled singer Sonny DiNunxio's
> vocal off the track and replaced it with the Vogues.

I believe Sonny's group was still known as The Fenways
around that time.  They did a cool version of Lee
Hazelwood's "I Move Around" that somehow charted on WFUN
in Miami in 1966.  I also like their single "The Fight"
on Blue Cat.

> Sonny DiNunzio supposedly felt that this robbed him of a
> national hit, but his R'n'B type vocals just wouldn't
> have been the same, and the song probably would not have
> been a hit. There was a bit of a payback, though - on the
> Rhino Vogues CD, "True Lovers" was written by DiNunzio.

DiNunzio and the Fenways did (in my opinion) a much
better version of "True Lovers", released on Co and Ce
under the band name "The Four Chaps".  This version has
been played at Northern soul nights through the years.
It was the flip of a faux Merseybeat tune called "Will Ya
Or Won't Ya".

> The Racket Squad released two albums, and both have been
> released on CD by Collectibles with bonus tracks. Check
> out "That's How Much I Love My Baby" - that SHOULD have
> been a hit!

Great song, Greg.  Not only did the Racket Squad cut this,
but it's also on a single as simply Sonny DiNunzio. That,
too, is getting some Northern soul spins.

Jeff Lemlich



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Message: 11
   Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:33:59 -0000
   From: "Jeff Lemlich"
Subject: Can't Get Enough of You Baby

--- In Spectropop, "Vlaovic B" wrote:
> Any idea as to how Smashmouth found that song and
> covered it (rather brilliantly I might add) about two
> years ago and made it into a huge hit

I believe they got it from ? & The Mysterians.

Jeff Lemlich



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Message: 12
   Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:22:39 -0000
   From: "Guy Lawrence"
Subject: Bonner and Gordon and Round Robin

Bonner and Gordon's  "Whatever Happened To Happy?" was
also recorded by the Mojo Men on Reprise, produced by
Lenny Waronker and arranged by Nick De Caro (Van Dyke
Parks was probably involved too), an absolutely
spellbinding record! The Mojo Men also recorded "Me About
You" as did The Turtles, The Lovin' Spoonful and Gary
Lewis making the track something of a sunshine pop "Louie
Louie"! Just got Mick's "Shoop Shoop Song" CD (for only
6.99!) and was interested to read in the sleevenotes
that Yvonne Carroll released a duet with Round Robin.
What was the track Mick? and where can I find it?
Furthermore, has anybody out there got anything
approaching a Round Robin discography? I have one album
but I'm sure there were more. Hope someone can help - I'm
a big fan of the Slauson Man but typing "Round Robin"
into Yahoo just ain't getting me anywhere!

Cheers, Guy Lawrence.


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Message: 13
   Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:14:47 -0000
   From: "Jeff Lemlich"
Subject: Re: Garry Bonner

--- In Spectropop, "Phil Chapman" wrote:


> There are two other Bonner/Gordon songs on this album:
> "I'm With You" and "Whatever Happened To Happy". Are
> there other recordings of these songs?

The Mojo Men also recorded "Whatever Happened To Happy"
on a Reprise 45.

Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com


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Message: 14
   Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:20:36 -0000
   From: "Peter Richmond"
Subject: Whatever Happened To Happy

Phil Chapman wrote;

> This tune was recorded by Jackie DeShannon (prod & arr.
> Jack Nitzsche) as the title track to a 1968 album. There
> are two other Bonner/Gordon songs on this album: "I'm
> With You" and "Whatever Happened To Happy". Are there
> other recordings of these songs?

The Righteous Brothers recorded the unissued "Whatever
Happened To Happy" in February 1967, at the same session
they had recorded two other Bonner/Gordon songs,
"Melancholy Music Man" and "Don't Give Up On Me" which
were released as a single on Verve 10507 and made # 47
in the Billboard chart in May 1967.

This session was produced by Joe Wissert, arranged and
conducted by Nick De Caro.

I am not sure if these songs were actually written
specifically for the Righteous Brothers as I have never
heard of any others versions of "Melancholy Music Man"
or "Don't Give Up On Me" but I have heard of a couple of
other versions "Whatever Happened To Happy", one by
Bobby Darin plus one by the Mojo Men on Reprise 0617.


Peter.



Righteous Brothers Discography





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Message: 15
   Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:39:50 +0900
   From: LePageWeb
Subject: Garry Bonner/Alan Gordon

Hi Everyone,

Don't know a lot about Alan Gordon and Garry Bonner,
except that I've noticed their names as writers of a heck
of a lot of great pop records. There isn't much to be
found on the web in terms of reference material, but I
did sort of cobble together this little bit of info. They
were a great songwriting team and lucky to have happened
at just the right time - 1966 forward. Pure AM radio pop
that morphed into what we all now call soft pop. They
wrote some of the best examples of the genre.

Alan Gordon and Gary Bonner were in a New York-based
group called the Magicians that was active in 65 and 66.
You can check out the Magicians tracks on a Sundazed CD
at this web page:
http://www.sundazed.com/artists/magicians.html

There are three song clips there, and judging from the
clips and the notes on the CD I guess their recordings
are in a sort of jugband Motown groove (a la Spoonful)
and jangle pop sort of stuff. One of the clips, however,
showed the group's talent at harmony vocals which to my
ears is a hint of what was to come.

After the Magicians' thing failed to work out, Bonner
released a solo single "The Heart Of Julie Jones," (prod.
Jack Nitzsche! Anyone got this?). The record stiffed but
little matter - after that Bonner and Gordon had a string
of hits highlighted by one of the greatest songs of the
era, the Turtles' Happy Together. During their busy peak
period, the songwriting team discovered a group in New
York called the Rahgoos, and through Koppelman/Rubin they
inked a deal with Capitol. The group's name was changed
to Gandalf (from Rahgoos to Gandalf - whatever for???),
and an album was completed but not released until 1969
where it promptly fell into obscurity. In 1969, a '67
psychedelic soft pop album must have seemed completely
arcane amidst the ever growing stacks of amped up guitar
bands. There are, however, a number of Bonner/Gordon
tracks on this album. I've never heard it, but apparently
it's a big deal in soft pop circles with copies
changing hands for big bucks. I bet others here have
heard it. Anyone?

You can check out more on this group at
http://www.petersando.com

Two other notable projects were the Lovin' Spoonful album
REVOLUTION/REVELATION '69 (Kama Sutra) and Touch N Go by
the Critters (Project 3).

I don't know exactly why they got so many covers in such
a short period of time, but it would be interesting to
know that part of the story; that is, the publishing/song
plugging aspect. Today their songs are co-published by
Alley (Carlin) and Trio (Leiber/Stoller), but that
doesn't tell the story, really. One thing I noticed;
there seems to be a big Koppelman/Rubin connection in
there somewhere. Does anyone know about this?

That's about all I can tell you about them and I do hope
others can tell more. I personally love their songs -
those that I know of anyway - and to follow is a list of
a  few I particularly like or were big hits.

Celebrate - Three Dog Night
Fancy Dancin' Man - Pet Clark
Girls In Love - Gary Lewis and the Playboys
Happy Together - Turtles
Jill - Gary Lewis and the Playboys
Me About You - Lovin' Spoonful, etc.
She'd Rather Be With Me - Turtles
Small Talk - Claudine Longet, Harpers Bizarre, Lesley Gore
Touch & Go - Critters
Whatever Happened to Happy - Mojo Men


Best wishes,

Jamie


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Message: 16
   Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:40:36 -0000
   From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: The line between Minogue and Taylor - Toys and Smashmouth

--- In Spectropop, "David Parkinson" wrote:

> Vlaovic B wrote:
>
> > Any idea as to how Smashmouth found [I can't get
> > enough of you Baby] and covered it (rather
> > brilliantly I might add) about two years ago and
> > made it into a huge hit
>
> I bet they remembered the Colourfield's version of it,
> from about 1985 or so.

I dont know who recorded "I Can't Get Enough Of You Baby"
first but the song was also recorded by the 4 Seasons on
thier "Working My Way Back To You" LP in 1966. Like so
many Seasons LP tracks it would have made a excellent
single.

But the version that everyone knows the best (at least
here in the USA) was done by ? Mark and Mysterians in
1967 on Cameo 467. It should have been a monster national
hit but was only a regional hit. And its the version that
Colourfield based thier 80's cover around - right down to
the combo organ riff.

Billy


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Message: 17
   Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 04:57:23 -0800 (PST)
   From: Robert Tirado
Subject: Love in New York

I will be attending Darlene Love's show here in NYC this
coming Friday at Hunter. Hope to sneak some pics.

R. Tirado


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Message: 18
   Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:49:08 -0600
   From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

>From this morning's Washington Post:

The Ramones and Talking Heads, two bands that helped
define punk rock, are among the artists to be inducted
into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for 2002.

Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Isaac Hayes, Brenda Lee
and Gene Pitney were also chosen. The announcement was
made yesterday by Suzan Evans, executive director of the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation.

The induction ceremony, scheduled for March 18, will take
place almost a year after Joey Ramone, the Ramones' lead
singer, died of lymphoma at age 49. The ceremony, to be
held in Manhattan, and will be aired by VH1 two days
later.

The Ramones, the New York City-based quartet whose
members all adopted the same last name, are considered
the founding fathers of punk. Their sound was defined by
Joey Ramone's yelp and the band's three-chord thrash.
Bruce Springsteen, U2 and Patti Smith are among those who
have been inspired by the band's sound.

Talking Heads were contemporaries of the Ramones, but
their sound was defined more by their experimentation
with different genres, including world music. Quirky lead
singer David Byrne, the band's most readily identifiable
member, left in 1991.

It's the first time the hall has honored members of the
first punk rock generation, and voters pointedly snubbed
Britain's Sex Pistols in favor of two New York bands.

Hayes got his start as a sideman in R&B groups. Playing
keyboard, he backed up artists such as Otis Redding, but
later became a solo artist. He's best known for scoring
the 1971 film "Shaft," with its funky theme song
highlighted by his signature deep vocals. He's now a disc
jockey on WRKS in New York City and the voice of Chef on
the animated TV series "South Park."

Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers mixed classic rock, folk
and Southern rock for 26 years. Their hits include "Free
Fallin'," "Don't Come Around Here No More" and "The
Waiting."

Lee, a smoky-voiced singer of the late '50s and '60s, is
perhaps best known for hits such as "Rockin' Around the
Christmas Tree" and "I'm Sorry." Pitney, a rock singer
with country influences, recorded hits such as "Only Love
Can Break a Heart," "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance"
and "It Hurts to Be in Love."

Guitarist Chet Atkins, who died in June, is this year's
sideman inductee. Atkins's unusual fingerpicking style
influenced generations of other guitarists.

The non-performer inductee is Jim Stewart, co-founder of
Stax records. Sam and Dave and Otis Redding are among the
artists who performed on the independent music label.


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Message: 19
   Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:21:59 -0500
   From: "Paul Payton"
Subject: Adrian Pride;Pat Boone (really); Tennors

Thank you, Andrew Sandoval, Stewart Mason and Michael
Rashkow for your comments re: Kenny Rankin/Dion and
Garry Bonner. Currently, I don't have a way to post
music to this list - not yet that electronically
sophisticated - but AFTER NEW YEAR'S, someone in the US
who does can contact me off-list and I can get you
cassette dubs to pass along to the Admin folks. (And
Michael, I agree: Mick Patrick is either a walking
encyclopedia, or knows just where to look!)

Stephane Rebeschini: Once again, you nail it with
Comfortable Chair.
You don't

have bad ears; I think that the CoBurt (MGM-distributed)
pressings I heard of the Bernie Schwartz LP came from the
same bad batch, because the harsh distortion is there -
but MGM in that era was not known for quality control.
Also, European pressings were known to be of much better
quality. And the performances are excellent. I also
didn't know that Bernie Schwartz was "Adrian Pride"; "Her
Name Is Melody" on WB is another old fave of mine -
beautiful "raga rock" written by the Phil Everly!

On the subject of Phil Everly, Pat Boone (don't laugh!!)
sang an exquisite Phil ballad on Dot, "Gee But It's
Lonely," in 1960. (How much do I love it? I have two
copies - wore out the first one!) I've never heard of a
recording by Phil or the EB. Have any of you?

Re: the "Happy Christmas"-Stewball-"Come Back to Jamaica"
connection, early reggae records are a treasure trove of
"borrowed" material, gorgeously misinterpreted and fed
back to the world with that willowy beat. If you can find
it, the Tennors [sic] were on a collection in the early
70's with "Weather Report," a one-line-changed remake of
Simon & Garfunkel's "The Only Living Boy In New York"
("I'm the only living boy in my home town" in the
reworking). Thinking in a similar vein, check out John
Holt's "Holly Holy" on Shelter in the US, early 70's (and
truer to the source); it seems to be the stylistic
predictor of UB40.

Country Paul


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