________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Here are the great songs. The unbelievable excitement... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 11 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 311: 1. Kal Mann From: LePageWeb 2. Tell me in the Sunlight by Margie Day From: "Spectropop Administration" 3. DARLENE LOVE From: Mick Patrick 4. Re: Irene Reid / Lady Luck and the Lullabies From: Simon White 5. BLAME IT ON THE BOSSA NOVA From: Mick Patrick 6. Q&A from Digest Number 310 From: "Paul Payton" 7. Re: Paul Griffin From: Michael Rashkow 8. HE'S SO FINE From: Mick Patrick 9. Phil Spector Letter From: Michael Rashkow 10. He's So Fine From: LePageWeb 11. Re: WALL OF SOUND From: "Spectropop Administration" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:52:27 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: Kal Mann Lyricist Kal Mann, who co-wrote classic hits like Elvis Presley's "Teddy Bear" and Chubby Checker's "Let's Twist Again," died last Wednesday in Pompano Beach, Fla., of Alzheimer's disease. He was 84. Mann was a major influence on the Philadelphia sound and co-founded Cameo/Parkway Records with friend and songwriter Bernie Lowe. Cameo/Parkway Records was home to many rock n' roll staples such as Chubby Checker, the Dovells, and Bobby Rydell. With songwriting partner Dave Appell he wrote many early 60s standards including Orlons' 1963 hit "South Street" and the Dovells' 1961 hit "Bristol Stomp". http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011203/re/people_mann_dc_1.html --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:27:09 +0900 From: "Spectropop Administration" Subject: Tell me in the Sunlight by Margie Day Posted to Spectropop Bulletin board by by Randon on Tue, 04 Dec 2001 http://www.escribe.com/music/spectropop/bb/index.html?bID=261 My Mother once went by the name "Margie Day." She did a couple of songs for GoldStar. "Tell me in the sunlight" and "I have been searching hi and lo to try and find a better recording than my mother has. All we have is a broken copy and then the test vocals recording. I did a search on google and found one hit on this site in the archives. On March 31, 1999 a fellow named Ian said that it still existed in acetate form. I would am trying to get a copy of that or anything else that I can get. I just don't know where to search. I am planning to clean up whatever I do find with some digital audio software and then make a CD or DVD for posterity sake. If anyone can help I and my family would greatly appreciate it. -Randon --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 21:09:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Mick Patrick Subject: DARLENE LOVE Greetings, > -----Original Message From: big.puff > Would someone answer me a question? When was 'Lord If > You're A Woman' actually recorded ? Not released. > Recorded. Well,.....er.....big.puff, LORD, IF YOU'RE A WOMAN by DARLENE LOVE was recorded at A & M Studios in Hollywood in August 1975. It was first released in 1977. Details are: 1. U.K. Phil Spector International 2010 019, B-side JOHNNY, BABY PLEASE COME HOME. 2. U.K. Phil Spector International one-sided twelve inch 45 rpm promo, LPSP 003. 3. As above but mislabeled, actually plays JOHNNY, BABY PLEASE COME HOME. (It's possible to hear CHER as plain as day above the other backing vocalists on this track). 4. U.S. Warner-Spector SPS 0410, B-side STUMBLE AND FALL. Just for the record, "Lord, If You're A Woman" was written by Barry Mann & Cynthia Weil, not Phil Spector as stated on the PSI version. The track was engineered by Larry Levine & Pete Romano and arranged by Nino Tempo. This information is missing from PSI copies. Darlene herself is not that fond of this track. This might have something to do with her having one disagreement too many with Phil during the sessions. She was pregnant at the time and in no mood his working methods, which had become too bizarre for her to bear. Me? I love it, especially the final version, not the "underdub" released on Darlene's Abkco/EMI CD. Mmmm, I seem to recall I have said unfinished version on an acetate somewhere. MICK PATRICK --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 08:41:17 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Irene Reid / Lady Luck and the Lullabies Don Charles wrote: > > I can't help you locate a copy, but I can tell you that > The Drifters (Rudy Lewis on lead vocals) recorded this > song under the title "Beautiful Music." It was not > released at the time, but was recently made available on > Sequel Records' fabulous and now regrettably out-of-print > series of DEFINITIVE DRIFTERS ANTHOLOGY CDs. "Beautiful > Music" is probably the original version of the tune, > written by Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil before Leiber and > Stoller's revisions. > > Don Charles Cheers Don. In fact I have 'Beautiful Music' on a U.K. Hallmark budget album from the 70's. I believe this was its first release. It's always been a favourite. I love the way you can hear Johnny wailing away in the background ! But I had always assumed it to be a later recording than the Irene / Tippie ones. Simon 'Stomper' White --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 07:29:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Mick Patrick Subject: BLAME IT ON THE BOSSA NOVA Greetings, > Original Message----- > > Can any of you lovely people help with locate a copy > > of Irene Reid "My Heart Said The Bossa Nova" - I > > realise this may not be the exact title but I confuse > > it with the Tippie and the Clovers version. > Original reply..... > I can't help you locate a copy, but I can tell you that > The Drifters (Rudy Lewis on lead vocals) recorded this > song under the title "Beautiful Music." It was not > released at the time, but was recently made available on > Sequel Records' fabulous and now regrettably out-of-print > series of DEFINITIVE DRIFTERS ANTHOLOGY CDs. "Beautiful > Music" is probably the original version of the tune, > written by Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil before Leiber and > Stoller's revisions. A little extra info from me..... THE BOSSA NOVA (MY HEART SAID) by TIPPIE & THE CLOVERS, was the first issue on Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller's Tiger label in November 1962, catalogue # 201. The DRIFTERS' BEAUTIFUL MUSIC (the same song but with different lyrics) was recorded a year later in December 1963. It's possible, of course, that it was recorded on an earlier date and completed on the December '63 session. The track was first released in 1972 on a UK LP. MY HEART SAID (THE BOSSA NOVA) by IRENE REID was released in 1963 on Verve 10286. The Tiger and Verve labels both list Jerry Leiber, Mike Stoller, Barry Mann & Cynthia Weil as the composers of the song while the Drifters' version fails to identify any writers at all. I believe the four songwriters concerned worked together briefly in the latter half of 1962. The Tippie & the Clovers track is available on the CD THE RED BIRD SOUND, VOL 3: THE TIGER & DAISY STORY (UK Diamond GEMCD 019, 1997). The Drifters' version is on the CD DRIFTERS ANTHOLOGY FOUR: UP ON THE ROOF (UK Sequel RSACD 833, 1996). Unfortunately both of these wonderful CDs are officially deleted but it should not prove too difficult to track them down. To my knowledge Irene Reid's version of the song is not available on a legit CD. Which is a shame because I trod on my Verve 45 some months back and snapped it in half. Note to self: take more water with it in future. Mmmm, Eydie Gorme, Tippie & the Clovers, Ruby & the Romantics, Elvis Presley, Irene Reid.....I feel a Bossa Nova '63 concept compilation CD coming on. More suggestions, anyone? MICK PATRICK --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 16:47:06 -0500 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Q&A from Digest Number 310 Mick Patrick wrote: > [Evie Sands'] WOMEN IN PRISON and was released in the UK > on CHIP TAYLOR's Trainwreck label. Try their website for > more information www.trainwreck.com .... the best of > which was COOL BLUE STORY, a duet with Lucinda Williams. I do remember that as being the best track - there were others. Hope I can find it again..... Ron Weekes wrote: > Now didn't Phil produce "He's So Fine"? Nope - that was The Tokens/Bright Tunes Productions. Peter Van Dam - the Paul Griffin article is excellent. Thank you! I'll also be exploring more of the Steely Dan website. Marc Miller wrote: > Didn't you used to be a radio guy (or maybe you still > are) ?? Yes, indeed; thanks for remembering me! Your (WBCN's) one-time sister station, WHCN in Hartford, CT, was one of my alma maters (1971-73, 1974-77) as Music Director and on-air both times. I started with progressive rock at WBRU in Providence at about the same time as WBCN started, so I come by a lot of what's on this list - especially the soft-psych and early progressive - from first hand experience playing it on the air. Both 'BRU and 'HCN were totally freeform, meaning that we may not have always been consistant, but the highs were super-high - like 'BCN in its best days, too. Later rockers included WCCC, Hartford (where Howard Stern worked for me for three days - but that's a discussion for another list) and WPLR in New Haven. I did a bunch of country and top 40 as well. Fulltime voice-over freelance now, but I still listen to freeform WFMU a lot plus whatever else I can find that's good - the Spectropop streams, for example! Dan Hughes: Yes, I've visited http://www.spectropop.com/go2/delerium.html and it's wonderful. Found a fave from the late 60's, Bo Grumpus, through it. Their one album had great songs, but was overproduced by Felix Pappalardi who spread himself thickly over it. Through Borderline, I found their bassist Jim Colegrove, who sent me a clean alternate mix of one of the tracks and who has a new CD as well - and worth a listen. Great site!!! (I'll check yours out too!) Merry and Happy Hanukkah/Solstice/Christmas/Kwanzaa/New Year/Other (please specify)! Country Paul (now an off-air radio guy, always a music guy) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:08:38 EST From: Michael Rashkow Subject: Re: Paul Griffin > The session pianist Paul Griffin died in July 2000 > small article by Joel Selvin, San Francisco Chronicle > Music Editor Sunday July. 9 2000. Didn't know this. He was a great and very busy session player in NYC--first call for most dates. The keyboard guys around the studios then were he and Frank Owens, and George Butcher and then--uh,uh along cam Richard Tee. Also was married to Valerie Simpson for a couple of years until she and Nick Ashford her writing and singing partner got together and made it permanent. Not the easist guy to work with, but absolutely pro. I believe he became an important factor at GRP Records. > "Gene Pitney remembers seeing producer Phil Spector and > Griffin lying on a studio floor, Spector humming the > arrangement he wanted for " You've Lost That Loving > Feeling" in Griffin's ear while Griffin dutifully wrote > it down. He didn't get the credit on the record." Did Phil fly him to LA???? What was Pitney doing there?? Not in that little Liberty studio on 55th street was it? Well maybe Phil just happened to be east. Sounds strange to me. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 07:44:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Mick Patrick Subject: HE'S SO FINE Greetings, Ron wrote.... > Now didn't Phil produce "He's So Fine"? Huh?!?! Whoever told you that was speaking through their bottom. "He's So Fine" by the Chiffons was produced by the Tokens/Bright Tunes. MICK PATRICK --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:00:40 EST From: Michael Rashkow Subject: Phil Spector Letter In a message dated 12/4/2001, weekesr writes: > Now didn't Phil produce "He's So Fine"? Yeah? I'm surprised. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 21:52:49 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: He's So Fine Hi Ron, Thank you for your comments which I found most provocative. In fact I've been thinking about them today. While the thoughts are fresh in my mind do allow me to tell you what I've been thinking about. > I don't want to sound crass or anything, but how do we > know this letter is the real thing from Phil Spector and > not some sort of Internet hoax, etc? We don't know, I guess. At least I don't. Except - what would be the point? It isn't humorous, it isn't scandalous, it's kinda boring really if you think about it (except for hardcore Spector fans). I'm as skeptical as the next guy but you gotta ask why would anyone do this as a hoax, or more to the point, if someone would do it as a hoax, why wouldn't they make it more interesting? One thing for sure - the web page is in html which means that it indeed is not a scan of the original, and there is a disclaimer that certain comments were excluded to protect the privacy of the writer and recipient. Also, remember Spector could stenotype and worked as a court reporter, so it is consistent that he would type rather than hand write comments for George. I dunno. There just isn't anything in there that sounds like a hoax. > Now didn't Phil produce "He's So Fine"? No, that would be Allen Klein (he said with tongue firmly in cheek). > I find it interesting that in this letter to George > that he didn't make any mentions of "similarities" > between "My Sweet Lord" and The Chiffons track. Well, Spector was Harrison's record producer, and the letter to George is merely Spector's post-production notes about the tracks. If that letter said "By the way, I just realized My Sweet Lord sounds like a rip of He's So Fine - maybe we better shelve it," everything else in the letter would be pointless. If it did say that, then I would too might suspect it to be a hoax. If Spector would have ever mentioned it, it should have been around the time Harrison first played the demo for him, certainly not after spending a ton of money on it and making it sound like a #1 smash. And as it turned out, My Sweet Lord was the big hit single that catapulted Harrison right up there, establishing him as a viable solo Beatle. Who knows if Spector noticed the similarity at the time, but let's say he did. Strictly from the producer's point of view, he's better off keeping it to himself and getting the smash hit for Harrison rather than trying to convince Harrison to shelve the most commercial track on the album. I sure the heck wouldn't discourage him, that's for sure! Besides, MSL vs. HSF was a precedent setting case. At the time, who could have known Bright Tunes would claim infringement, and even though they eventually did, the lawsuit itself never affected Spector one way or the other. On the other hand, huge success of My Sweet Lord must have further endeared Spector to Apple Corps, for whom he produced a long string of hit records during that time. Finally, the one thing I find fascinating about the letter is that here we can see Mr. Spector as producer talking to the artist as a peer, not talking down to him like a puppet or alienating him with an entourage of gun wielding bodyguards. Upon reflection, this period at Apple may very well have been the least eccentric chapter in the man's career. Best always, Jamie n.p. A Christmas Gift For You - first time this season! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:33:33 +0900 From: "Spectropop Administration" Subject: Re: WALL OF SOUND Posted to Spectropop Bulletin board by CLAIRE on Tue, 04 Dec 2001 http://www.escribe.com/music/spectropop/bb/index.html?bID=258 I AM A 21 YEAR OLD FEMALE SINGER IN ENGLAND. I WAS COMPLETLY INFLUENCED BY RONNIE SPECTOR, SHE STARTED ME OFF. MAINLY BECAUSE I ALWAYS THOUGHT I HAD TOO MUCH OF A HIGH PIERCING VOICE AND THEN I HEARD RONNIE AND MY VOICE SOUNDED SO MUCH LIKE HERS I WAS NO LONGER AFRAID TO LET PEOPLE HEAR IT. I HAVE BEEN IN A SIXTIES COVERS BAND NOW FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW. WE DON'T JUST PLAY SPECTOR SONGS WE PLAY A LOT OF BACHARACH SONGS, DUSTY SPRINGFILED,ETC.. WHAT I REALLY WANT TO DO IS TO FIND OTHER MUSICIANS THAT I CAN GET TOGETHER WITH TO CREATE A WALL OF SOUND AND CONCENTRATE ON JUST THE SIXTIES GIRL GROUP SONGS. I AM HAVING NO JOY SO FAR. DOES ANYONE KNOW THE BEST COUNTRY TO BE IN WHERE THIS COULD BE POSSIBLE? GOING ONTO A DIFFERENT REQUEST, I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO MEET A GUITARIST WHO THINKS AND LOVES THE SAME MUSIC AS I DO. INFACT IT WAS HIM WHO INTRODUCED THE SOUND OF PHIL SPECTOR TO ME. HE WRITES SONGS AND WANTS TO RECORD THEM IN ANALOG - MONO, BUT HE IS HAVING HUGE PROBLEMS FINDING FIRSTLY THE QUALITY MUSICIANS NEEDED, TO START WITH A PIANO PLAYER IT SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND A PIANO PLAYER HERE, THEN HE FACES THE PROBLEM OF THE RECORDING STUDIOS HAVING STACKS + STACKS OF UP TO DATE DIGITAL EQUIPMENT WHICH HE REFUSES TO USE AS HE WANTS TO RECORD IN ANALOG MONO ONLY!! CAN ANYONE HELP US ON THIS ONE? THANKS VERY MUCH - ALL INFORMATION GRATEFULLY ACCEPTED! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
Spectropop text contents © copyright Spectropop unless stated otherwise. All rights in and to the contents of these documents, including each element embodied therein, is subject to copyright protection under international copyright law. Any use, reuse, reproduction and/or adaptation without written permission of the owners is a violation of copyright law and is strictly prohibited. All rights reserved.