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Spectropop - Digest Number 309

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                       it`s the sound that counts 

There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: George Harrison
           From: "Peter Lerner" 
      2. A significant letter from Phil Spector...
           From: LePageWeb 
      3. You can find pictures of The Pixies Three
           From: "Gary L. Krebs MD" 
      4. Jean's comment; Rickie Page
           From: "Paul Payton" 
      5. RE: Melba Liston
           From: Michael Rashkow 
      6. Carol Connors
           From: Brian Chidester 
      7. Know it, all Good Guy Yanks
           From: "Martin Roberts" 
      8. Know It All, Good Guy Yanks (Part 2)
           From: "Martin Roberts" 
      9. Re: Carol Connors
           From: Bryan 
           From: Mick Patrick 
     11. Phil and George
           From: Steve McClure 
     12. The Big Hurt
           From: Doc Rock 
     13. Re: Big Hurt Sound
           From: Michael Rashkow 
     14. Various
           From: Michael Rashkow 
     15. Teen Idols Week on A & E
           From: "Tom Waters" 
     16. Found It!!!
           From: "Martin Roberts" 
     17. Irene Reid / Lady Luck and the Lullabies
           From: Simon White 


Message: 1
   Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 15:12:28 -0000
   From: "Peter Lerner" 
Subject: Re: George Harrison

George had good taste in music. I remember when the
Beatles first went to the States, the local (north-west
England) TV company Granada had a special daily link-up
with them. They told the interviewer that there were lots
of great radio stations in NY playing great music. What's
yoiur favourite record of the moment - asked the
interviewer. "It's in his kiss" by Ramona King, replied
George.  I went straight out and bought it, and wasn't
let down. Still the best version of a much recorded song.
Thanks for everything, George.


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Message: 2
   Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:03:31 +0900
   From: LePageWeb 
Subject: A significant letter from Phil Spector...

A significant letter from Phil Spector to George Harrison 
regarding the making of this historic album...




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Message: 3
   Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 11:42:54 -0500
   From: "Gary L. Krebs MD" 
Subject: You can find pictures of The Pixies Three

You can find pictures of The Pixies Three at

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Message: 4
   Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:50:08 -0500
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Jean's comment; Rickie Page

"Jean Emmanuel Dubois" wrote: "... When you think of
some awful people still alive and kicking - there is no

Couldn't have said it better. If you can, get today's
(Saturday's) NY Times - three articles (including front
page) plus a wonderful editorial! "The Old Gray Lady"
gets it.

Mick Patrick: If you put together a Rickie Page CD, I'd
buy one! (What else was she involved in?)

Country Paul

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Message: 5
   Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:24:20 EST
   From: Michael Rashkow 
Subject: RE: Melba Liston

Carol Kaye writes 

> We hung 
> together one night and she told me about her arranging 
> days at Motown-LA in the 60s too. 
Melba Liston did charts for Motown? Cool. They never
credited arrangers when I was buying their records. 

Nice list of credits Ms. Carol. 

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Message: 6
   Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:29:50 EST
   From: Brian Chidester 
Subject: Carol Connors

> The flip of "Go Go GTO" is a fab ballad called "Sunny
> Winter".

Damn, the copy I have is a promo and has the same song on
both sides.  If anyone has this 45, please contact me to 
arrange for a trade.

> I hope I wasn't misleading; the single of "Santa The
> Sidewalk Surfer" was a one-off recording for Del-Fi, done
> at the same time that Lee and Echols (later of Love) were
> in the studio doing a single of their own. They weren't
> in a "group", as such, even though Bob Keane/or Carol
> Connors/or someone titled the "group" The Surfettes for
> this release, but I doubt that Lee/ Echols ever were in
> the same room again after that.

You weren't misleading.  I was using the term "group" is
the most leanient sense of the word. 


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Message: 7
   Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 23:22:10 -0000
   From: "Martin Roberts" 
Subject: Know it, all Good Guy Yanks

I've already tipped my hat and tugged my forelock (Pardon!)
to the know all UK Good Guys (not forgetting Carole!) but
what is happening Stateside? Have the writings of 70's
trailblazers like Alan Betrock, Greg Shaw & my personel
fave (due in no small part to his Jack Nitzsche article)
Ken Barnes been forgotten? Come on US Spectropopers no
need for this dribbling of Carol Connors info almost all
the details are in The Rock Marketplace No.8 (Thanks Luis
& for Ken info ditto Marc) "Who Is Carol Connors".

Tried to scan and send the two 1/2 pages (plus Yum Yum
Yammha pic sleeve) but somehow total came to 40
Mb's!-what do you think, big mouth small brain??!!

For the sake of respect where respect is due Carol's
Discography as writ by Ken Barnes and typed one finger by

Annette Bard "Alibi"/"What Difference Does It Make" Imp. 5643 3/60
Carol Collins "Dear One"/"Johnny, Oh Johnny"  Dunes 2005  2/61
Carol Connors "You Are My Answer"/My Diary Col. 41976    5/61
"Listen To The Beat"/ My Special Boy"  Col.42155    11/61
"What Do You See in Him"/That's All・Col. 42337   2/62 
"Big Big Love"/Two Rivers Era 3084 8/62 x   
"Tommy Go Away"/"I Wanna Know"       Era 3096    11/62
"Angel My Angel"/"Never" Cap. 5152 4/64 x
"My Baby Looks.../ Lonely Little.... Mira  219  4/66 x 
"Yum Yum Yamaha/One sided release NTC  80    '65-'66 x  

Swingin' Summer   LP HBR 8500 1965 x   
Storytellers "When 2 People"/"Time Will Tell" Ramark 501  7/63
"I Don't Want An Angel" /"In The Valley" Cap.5042 9/63
Zip-Codes    "Run Little Mustang" #   Lib. 55703  5/64 x
Rip Chords  "Hey Little Cobra"  #  Col. 42921 12/63 x
Carol & Cheryl "Go Go Gto2/Sunny Winter"  Colpix767 2/65 x
Surfettes    "Sammy The Sidewalk Surfer  Mustang 3001 3/65 x
Chains  "Carol's Got A Cobra"/"Hate To See・"  HBR 460  2/66 x
California Suns "Masked Grandma"#/"Little Bit.."   Imp.66179 x
Cake   "Have You Heard The News...Miss Molly" #  Decca 32347 6/68 x
( # indicates written but not sung by C.Connors)
-(x records I have-If I was capable of 'sending' music.
With other Spectropopers NICE CD!!)

Since then of course more writings have turned up mainly
>from the great Surf/Hot Rod books by John Blair and
Antipodean wit and know all Stephen McParland. Ones I've
got on record (to save book reading!) Dick Dale "It Will
Grow On You" & on Bootleg "Mama's Gone Surfin'", "The
Squirrel", Blond In The 406" & "My X-KE"  

In Stephen's latest books he again talks about Carol,
Gary Usher's claims of her 'nicking' his songs etc. Also
pretty sure I remember PSAS discussing did Phil S.
Produce Carol Collins is it C. Connors etc. I'll save
these for another day!

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Message: 8
   Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 23:32:27 -0000
   From: "Martin Roberts" 
Subject: Know It All, Good Guy Yanks (Part 2)

Oh Dear,

Thought I had Chains "Carol's Got A Cobra" but can't
find it. Did remember another I have The Bompers "Do The
Bomp" HBR 441. Another Written only,


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Message: 9
   Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:29:08 -0800
   From: Bryan 
Subject: Re: Carol Connors

Oops. I meant "Sammy The Sidewalk Surfer" of course!

> > I hope I wasn't misleading; the single of "Santa The
> > Sidewalk Surfer" was a one-off recording for Del-Fi


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Message: 10
   Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:38:41 +0000 (GMT)
   From: Mick Patrick 


Aah, lovely LOUISE CORDET, exponent of that obscure style
known as SHUSH-MUSH. A word with Sheila B. of Cha Cha
Charming magazine or a quick listen to I'M JUST A BABY
will tell you what that means. Qui, it seems shush-mush
was to Swinging London what Ye-Ye was to Gay Paree.
Louise taught Paul McCartney how to Hully Gully, don't ya

One or two Spectropoppers might be aware that Louise was
one of the stars of issue 5/6 of THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN
AGAIN magazine put together by Ian Chapman, Kris Kirk,
myself and a few chums a few years back. Unfortunately I
just don't have the time to re-type that entire article
here. But in order to ascertain whether or not Louise
made enough recordings to fill an entire CD I will take a
moment to cobble together . . . er . . . painstakingly
compile a discography. I am such a discography ho. Here

I'm just a baby / In a matter of moments (F 11476, 1962)
Sweet enough / Someone else's fool (F 11524, 1962)
She's got you / We know why / Everytime / Crazy kind of love 
("The Sweet Beat Of Louise Cordet" 4 track EP, DFE 8515, 1962)
Around and around / Which way the wind blows (F 11673, 1963)
Which way the wind blows (on "Just For Fun" filmtrack LP, LK 4524, 1963)
Don't let the sun catch you crying / Loving baby (F 11824, 1964)
Don't make me over / Two lovers (F 11875, 1964)
It's so hard to be good (on "Just For You" filmtrack LP, LK 4620, 1964)

Je n'suis qu'un baby / unknown (possibly a French language 
version of "In a matter of moments") - 72012, 1962
Sweet enough / Someone else's fool / I'm just a baby / 
In a matter of moments (4 track EP, 454 089, 1962)
She's got you / We know why / Everytime / Crazy kind of love 
(4 track EP, 454 096, 1962)
Faire le grand voyage / Que m'a-t-il fait? / From me to you / 
L'amour tourne on rond (4 track EP, 454 100, 1963)
Pour toi / Laisse le soleil secher tes larmes / J'aime trop Johnny / 
Dix milles fois (4 track EP, 457 022, 1964) 

I'm just a baby / In a matter of moments - 9560, 1962

I'll leave someone else to count the titles. I'd be the
first in the queue for a Louise Cordet CD but I can't
imagine any legit company releasing such a thing. Sure
there are sufficient tracks but they'd NEVER sell enough
copies to make a profit. Who knows, some
copyright-flouting bootlegging scumbag might have other
ideas. If so, expect to pay a Bear Family-type price for
a shabby piece of shite.

By the way, I'm in the Chapman camp, in that I rate TWO
LOVERS as Louise's best record. However, the suggestion
that it could be better than the Mary Wells version makes
me . . . . . . if only I knew the French for GAG! Chacon
a son gout!

Right, that's that baby put to bed. Now I simply must get
back to my new MAUREEN GRAY CD. It looks like a shoddy
bootleg but, hey, it sounds very good AND it's got what
I'm sure are unissued tracks on it, like BIRTHDAY PARTY,
much better than the Pixies Three version.

Whoops, I seem to have just committed an act of cultural
philistinism matched in infamy only by the burning of the
library at Alexandria, the Barbarians' rape of Rome and
the sacking of the Forbidden City. So sorry, especially
to Doc Rock!


PS: WANTED WANTED WANTED I urgently need a nice mint(ish)
copy of "The Girl Who Stopped The Duke Of Earl" by
Dorothy Berry (Little Star). Can someone help? 

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Message: 11
   Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:45:21 +0900
   From: Steve McClure 
Subject: Phil and George

Dear Spectropoppers:

Given the recent passing of Mr. Hari Georgeson, I
thought the following web site might be interest to
y'all, as it contains the text of a letter Phil Spector
sent to George during the recording of the epochal "All
Things Must Pass" album, with Phil's comments regarding
each track.

Hare Rama-lama-ding-dong


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Message: 12
   Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 10:15:34 -0500
   From: Doc Rock 
Subject: The Big Hurt

>From my Stan Ross interview in "Liberty Records."

There is an interesting story that Stan Ross tells of the
first use of "phasing effect" on a hit record. Phasing is
when two recordings of one song are played exactly
together, then as one goes a bit faster than the other, a
strange sound effect is produced. The record was not one
released on Liberty, but the story is important enough to
include anyway. "We did 'The Big Hurt' with Toni Fisher.
In those days, the pressing plants had their own labels.
Allied Records, a big pressing plant in Hollywood in the
'50s and '60s, had Signet Records. They put out 'The Big
Hurt.' I was the engineer on that, the first record to
use phasing. It was an accident. It was a binaural
recording, and Bill Shankle, the producer who also wrote
the song, didn't believe in two-track. He wanted mono and
that was it. If he heard the voice, it was good. If he
did not hear the voice, it wasn't good. It was all live
at one time, orchestra, singing, everything. I gave him a
take that I liked but I thought the voice was too shallow
on. He liked it and took it home, then decided I was
right. I offered another take, but he liked that one,
said it was exciting. I said, 'It's only exciting because
the voice is low.' He said, 'No.'

"So we put two version of the same take together, synced
them, and played them together. The speeds didn't match
exactly, and as they passed, they phased. We learned to
control the beast and used it. It often happened by
accident before that, and everyone always canned it and
started over. But we used it this time. We talked him in
to using it, he was reluctant but said 'Yep, use it.'
He's dead now, but I give him a lot of credit for being
brave enough to use it."

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Message: 13
   Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:18:30 EST
   From: Michael Rashkow 
Subject: Re: Big Hurt Sound

In a message dated 11/29/2001,magicgall writes:

> > Levine: Well, yeah! But it didn't originally start out
> > that way.  It was recorded 3-track and mixed.  Wayne
> > Shanklin, the producer, loved the mix but didn't think
> > that Tony's voice was out far enough.  He wanted me to
> > run a simultaneous copy--run the two copies
> > together--in order for her voice to be doubled and
> > more out front.  I told him it wouldn't work, that the
> > machines wouldn't hold in sync.  It didn't, but he
> > loved it.  The phasing was very effective on the
> > "gliss" that was being played by the strings.  So then
> > I recorded each 8-bar signature, allowing the machine
> > that was running faster to start a little later--and
> > then, in catching up and passing, the phasing would
> > happen.  I did this with each section of the song and
> > then edited the pieces together.  It was an
> >

Well, he did a good job, that's for sure and I thank him
for saving me the time of trying to explain it in detail.

I have a brother in law named Larry Levine, but it ain't
THAT Larry Levine.

Anecdotally, when I got the phasing thing accidently, I
went to the best techs I knew in NYC, including Bill
Firestone at Bell Sound and asked someone to make me a
"box" that would allow me to control it--I got blank
stares, the technology wasn't there.  Now it's a cliche.
In my opinion the best use I ever heard was "For Love Of
Money" O'Jays.


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Message: 14
   Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:18:26 EST
   From: Michael Rashkow 
Subject: Various


> Thinking of Wayne Shanklin, he also produced much or all
> of the Art & Dotty Todd Era recordings. As an early
> overdub group with female lead, do they qualify in this
> discussion group? (I know Dotty Todd died within the past
> year....) They never equalled "Chanson D'Amour" - too many
> vocal gimmicks cluttered up potential hits otherwise
> suited to their style - but their vocal "stack" was lush

Could not agree more about Chanson D'Amour.   Great
record, great sound.

Last year I heard the Manhattan Transfer do it live in
Las Vegas--nice job, nice surpise--they had the sound and
feel right on the money.

By the way is there a familial connection between Wayne
Shanklin and Ray Shanklin? 

David Ponak - Your playlists give new meaning to the word 



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Message: 15
   Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 02:46:56 -0500
   From: "Tom Waters" 
Subject: Teen Idols Week on A & E

I don't think this was mentioned earlier on the list,
but this week is Teen Idols Week on Arts and
Entertainment.  There are biographies all week long with
this theme.

        Dec. 3 - Buddy Holly
             4 - Brenda Lee
             5 - Bobby Vinton
             6 - Bobby Rydell
             7 - Lesley Gore


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Message: 16
   Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 09:07:28 -0000
   From: "Martin Roberts" 
Subject: Found It!!!

Put the X back on The Chains "Carol's Got..." (so has Martin) !!

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Message: 17
   Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:47:29 +0000
   From: Simon White 
Subject: Irene Reid / Lady Luck and the Lullabies

Can any of you lovely people help with locate a copy of 
Irene Reid   "My Heart Said The Bossa Nova"  - I realise
this may not be the exact title but I confuse it with the
Tippie and the Clovers version.

Can anyone give me some info on Lady Luck and the Lullabies ?

Just to say also, as a new  member of the list, how  much
I'm enjoying all the info !

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