________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ We recommend you to consult your record dealer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 13 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 301: 1. curse the taunting liquid room From: "Jack Madani" 2. Re: scuba party From: Steve Todoroff 3. re: Sweet Talkin Guy From: "Jack Madani" 4. Re: RONETTES ROYALTIES From: Roberto Tirado 5. Ronettes Recordings From: Paul Urbahns 6. London American & Other Stuff ! From: Don Baylis 7. The last great girl group record... From: "Kingsley Abbott" 8. Re: Scuba Party From: John Cook 9. catalina caper From: "Jack Madani" 10. Louise Cordet From: "Ian Chapman" 11. Sweet Talking Guy From: "Phil Chapman" 12. New in Spectropop Photo Gallery From: "Spectropop Administration" 13. Society Girls From: Dan Hughes ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:04:56 -0500 From: "Jack Madani" Subject: curse the taunting liquid room spectropop writes: >The Liquid Room, (usually) hosted by David Ponak (me), >airs every Saturday night from Midnight to 3AM (PDT) on >90.7FM KPFK Los Angeles, as well as streaming at >http://kpfk.org. David, you have no idea how gnashed (you have to pronounce it "guh-nashed" to get the full effect of my despair) my teeth are when I read these playlists. Sunday morning 3am to 6am here in the east? arghhhhhhhh.... And after we sent you Benny Goodman in [your] prime listening time, this is the thanks we get
jack --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:28:30 -0000 From: Steve Todoroff Subject: Re: scuba party --- In spectropop, Simon W wrote: > Does anyone have any info on The Elites on Era records? Simon W, In doing research for my Leon Russell bio I discovered he played on a few sessions for Era Records involving The Elites. Below are the particulars of these sessions. I've got the info on the 45's if you need it. Leon played piano and organ on these sessions. He played on many obscure and not-so-obscure tunes in the '60s. You can see for yourself when my book, "Longhair Music", comes out next year. See more about Leon at www.mazeppa.com Happy Thanksgiving to all Spectropop members! Steve Todoroff Here's the format of the session information: Date Record Label Studio Artist Tunes Session Leader 2-22-64 Era Gold Star The Sci-Fis/The Fisher Bros. /The Elites "Coming On"; "What's The Password"; "Big Round Wheel"; "Science Fiction" Billy Strange 4-9-65 Era Gold Star Jewel Akens/ The Elites "Sir Galahad";"The Burning Sands"; "Don't Stop Now"; "You Better Believe It" Don Ralke --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:37:56 -0500 From: "Jack Madani" Subject: re: Sweet Talkin Guy Spectropop Group writes: >Sweet Talkin Guy wowed me when I heard it first I don't know about others here, but I find myself often bypassing the famous recordings (the ones that always get played on the oldies stations) in search of the obscure, out of some barely-acknowledged, regretfully elitist, never-actually-stated theory that "obscure is better." It's a failing in me, and I'm working on it. ;-) But I can NEVER bypass Sweet Talkin' Guy (or One Fine Day either, for that matter). STG is just so good, with the harpsichord and the da-dum/da-dum/da-dum ostinato and the backing harmonies and the shaky reed instrumental insert. What a great song! The part that always slays me, though, is at the end, where all those backing parts get piled on all at once: a) "stay......away from him.....for you know......you'll never win....." b) "stayawayfromhim stayawayfromhim dontbelieveheeslyin..." c) "sweetsweet, sweettalkin guyyyyyy...." They all fit together like gears in a Swiss watch. It was the grooviest--literally--thing I had ever heard. Then years later, I heard Mozart's Jupiter Symphony, where he does the same thing in the final movement. Straight from the fridge, dad. It, like, fractures me. jack --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:26:41 -0800 (PST) From: Roberto Tirado Subject: Re: RONETTES ROYALTIES Even though we all know that Phil usually used other backup singers on the Ronettes' songs, leave it to Cher to state as she did some years ago that she did backup and mentioned Ronnie's family also singing backup (the Ronettes)...that if Phil included them is a different story. Personally having been Phil's coffee boy in NYC at Mirasound and A & R studios, I saw him do many unorthodox things I recall, such as stating this particular singer stinks after he recorded her/him and proceeded to dub them out. My only error (remember I was a teen) was telling Phil I liked a particular vocalist and he banned me from the studio for a week or two. When the Ronettes were at Basin St East here in NYC, I visited them often, and we shared lots of time together at the Wellington Hotel on the 19th floor. I recall every detail. Nedra said to me that Phil always made promises he couldn't keep, like letting her do a solo on a LP. Nedra has a beautiful voice. It was Estelle who told me Phil recorded only the Ronettes on How Does It Feel with Cher doing an answer type refrain in the backup. Estelle said she liked that song very much because she was dating their then road manager (an Asian fellow) and things were going good. I live in NYC and spent a lot of time with Phil and the Ronettes, especially at their 89th street west side apartment (the shots are in Ebony and Jet). Hope this helps. A True RONETTES fan, Robert Tirado --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:25:23 EST From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Ronettes Recordings Jamie wrote: > Let's also remember that in this same case the > Ronettes sought ownership of their Phil Spector > produced recordings! Think that's going too far? So > did Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Paula Omansky, who > wrote in her decision: "Spector's contributions to the > Ronettes' success cannot be underestimated, as > composer of their songs, and as creator of the sound > for which the Ronettes' recording hits became famous. > Rescinding the 1963 recording contract and taking > ownership of the masters away from Spector is not > warranted." Paul adds: I agree the full rights should not be taken away from Phil, but if joint rights of some kind were declared then the recordings would be licensed to various companies and would appear on the various artists comps that most people (meaning the general public) buy. Since Phil restricts their use to his label, other than a few spins on oldies radio, you never hear a Ronettes or Crystals record much anymore. It's only because of Phil's hoarding traits the songs are not for sale, and therefore the licensees don't receive the kind of income from past recordings that they should. Hopefully, Ronnie and the girls will use some of the money and reinvest it in new recordings recreating their old hits so that they can circulated to the various labels and for use in future movies. That way a new generation will come to appreciate the music. A give them a continuing income for years to come. Paul Urbahns --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:20:25 -0000 From: Don Baylis Subject: London American & Other Stuff ! Kingsley says .. > "on the wonderful London American label...Ah, happy > days...that label housed all Uncle Phil's classic > output," Definitely 'THE' label for a wide variety of great releases ... however The Crystals "There's No Other" b/w "Oh Yeah, Maybe Baby" was released on Parlophone .. (said here, very tongue in cheek) I guess that record doesn't count as one of Uncle Phil's classics then Speaking of classics by Phil, a really strange release on London was that of The Top Notes, 'Twist and Shout', as the B Side of April Stevens and Nino Tempo's 'Sweet and Lovely'. Whilst admittedly not as good a recording as that by the Isley Bros., it does have a rather good sound all its own and doesn't deserve the panning given it by Bert Berns in the liner notes to the WEA CD Twist And Shout. Still on London, can anyone help with regard to the original US label of London HLU 9373, Anchors Aweigh, Pts 1 and 2, by B-Lou Jones and His Jupiters. A great instrumental, but whereas the vast majority of London releases credited the US source, this specific issue didn't. I have wondered since 1961 about this. A couple of girl groups I haven't seen any mention of on Spectropop that I feel deserve such are 1 : The Charades - He's Not Your Boyfriend - on WB 5415, typical sound for the time, 1963 I believe, light and fluffy, but fun, and 2: from 1974, Bones - My One and Only c/w Baby Don't Make Me Cry on Jet Records 748, a definite mixture of the Shangri Las and The Crystals. Interesting considering it's from the mid 70s. Lastly, re the recent mention of the Joanie Sommers/Rick Nelson Stage 67 ABC TV production of "On The Flip Side". Is this available on either VHS or DVD ? Cheers Don Baylis --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:15:07 -0000 From: "Kingsley Abbott" Subject: The last great girl group record... Wow, this one could run and run....Lets hope that the last GG record hasn't actually been cut yet! I'd have to go for Kirsty MacColl's great original version of "They Don't Know" over the Tracy Ullman version, and what about The Jodelles' "My Boy" and "Girls Fall In Love" 1983 singles, Jerri Bo Keno's "Here It Comes", Ronnie's "Say Goodbye To Hollywood", Voice Of the Beehive's "Don't Call Me Baby" and quite a few decent remakes of classics by the likes of Holly & The Italians, Rachel Sweet, Bette Midler etc etc...and of course Darlene's Christmas one from Home Alone! Just got the 'red bird' GG Cd from Donna Loren's website - I reckon its well worth picking up - also treated myself to a nice autographed photo! (You can even request the dedication on it!)...and they say we're all old enough to know better! Kingsley Abbott --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:39:31 EST From: John Cook Subject: Re: Scuba Party Someone may beat me to the punch but I have seen the movie, though in its MST3K version. It's a standard Beach movie with AIP veteran Tommy Kirk starring. Little Richard shows up for no reason on the ship taking the kids to Catalina Island to do "Scuba Party" while wearing an amazing gold lame suit. It's a tribute to his talent that he could make even this song sound rockin'. I don't think it's been released in any format as far as I know. Was there a soundtrack album? The movie also features a girl singer, name escapes me, who sings yet another song called "The Book of Love", no relation to any other songs of that name. If the movie is released soon, the best bet is on the Mystery Science Theater series. Rhino might have more info. BTW Anyone know if the songs from "Hello Down There" ever came out? Hope this helps- jon cook --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:02:23 -0500 From: "Jack Madani" Subject: catalina caper Spectropop writes: >1. the movie 'CATALINA CAPER [NEVER STEAL ANYTHING WET]' >with Mary Wells and more importantly, Little Richard >singing 'SCUBA PARTY'. Did it come out on video [uk >format ] or even dvd? Has anyone seen the movie? Y'know, I believe I did see this, perhaps 10-15 years ago, on TBS in an after-midnight timeslot. Was Little Richard singing the song on the deck of the ferryboat that takes the kids out to the island? If, therefore, the movie does still exist in a viewable form, then perhaps AMPOP-slash-American Movie Classics will eventually show it. Or else TNT, which has sometimes shown some of those cool unknown flix that TBS used to show back when they were a hungry up and comer. Keep yer fingers crossed and keep checkin' the tv guide, jack --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:34:52 -0000 From: "Ian Chapman" Subject: Louise Cordet Ian Slater wrote:- >Further to Alan Miller's comments about reissues of > Louise Cordet's material, I think she has been poorly > served. I believe "Two Lovers" is the only track > currently available and it is frankly embarrassing > compared with the Mary Wells classic! > Her EP "The Sweet Sound of..." is very much more > appropriate with the ballad "Everytime" my own favourite > - none of the tracks were issued on her 5 UK singles and > she never had an LP. Anyone who likes "So Hard to Be Good" > on the film "Disco-O-Tec Holiday" (aka "Just for You") is > unlikely to be disapointed by any of her singles (except > perhaps "2 Lovers/ Don't Make Me Over" - she really > wasn't a soul singer). > > How about a CD, Decca? And one of the Orchids too Sorry, I have to disagree about "Two Lovers" - I'd say it's her best record, and I prefer Louise's version over the original. She wasn't trying to be a soul singer - her double-tracked, slightly Ronnie Spector-ish vocal takes the song out of the soul arena and puts it somewhere between girl-group and merseybeat. On this, Louise was the epitome of 60s brit-girl cool. However, I do agree that she's under-represented on CD, but unfortunately neither she nor the Orchids cut enough tracks to fill even half a CD by today's standards. Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:11:59 -0000 From: "Phil Chapman" Subject: Sweet Talking Guy Chuck writes: > Sweet Talkin Guy wowed me when I heard it first in 1966. The very first time I heard the intro I thought it was going to be an updated version of "Theme From A Summer Place". Now and again it still hits me that way. The cascading vocals are fun, but my favourite GG example is the chorus of "Best Part Of Breakin' Up": three different parts by three different *types* of backing vocals - superb! Phil --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 21:16:22 +0900 From: "Spectropop Administration" Subject: New in Spectropop Photo Gallery New in Spectropop Photo Gallery Inside the "PSAS Philately Covers" Folder ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All the front covers of Philately and That Will Never Happen Again, the seminal 1980's publications that defined the genre. Covers reproduced with the kind permission of the original publisher. Inside the "I'll Try Anything order coupon" Folder ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Zowee! A photograph of the original mail order mini skirt, modeled (sort of) by our own Carole Gibson. Thanks, Carole! http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/lst --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 06:43:53 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Society Girls A song called "SPCLG" (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Little Girls) was a hit in Indianapolis (my hometown) in the early 60's. A wonderful record, sounded Motown to me but was actually on VeeJay. What can you tell me about this group? Thanks, ---Dan --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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