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There are 13 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 301:

      1. curse the taunting liquid room
           From: "Jack Madani" 
      2. Re: scuba party
           From: Steve Todoroff
      3. re: Sweet Talkin Guy
           From: "Jack Madani" 
      4. Re: RONETTES ROYALTIES
           From: Roberto Tirado 
      5. Ronettes Recordings
           From: Paul Urbahns 
      6. London American & Other Stuff !
           From: Don Baylis 
      7. The last great girl group record...
           From: "Kingsley Abbott" 
      8. Re: Scuba Party
           From: John Cook 
      9. catalina caper
           From: "Jack Madani" 
     10. Louise Cordet
           From: "Ian Chapman" 
     11. Sweet Talking Guy
           From: "Phil Chapman" 
     12. New in Spectropop Photo Gallery
           From: "Spectropop Administration" 
     13. Society Girls
           From: Dan Hughes 


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Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:04:56 -0500
   From: "Jack Madani" 
Subject: curse the taunting liquid room

spectropop writes:

>The Liquid Room, (usually) hosted by David Ponak (me),
>airs every Saturday night from Midnight to 3AM (PDT) on
>90.7FM KPFK Los Angeles, as well as streaming at
>http://kpfk.org. 

David, you have no idea how gnashed (you have to
pronounce it "guh-nashed" to get the full effect of my
despair) my teeth are when I read these playlists. 
Sunday morning 3am to 6am here in the east?  arghhhhhhhh....

And after we sent you Benny Goodman in [your] prime
listening time, this is the thanks we get 

jack


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Message: 2
   Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:28:30 -0000
   From: Steve Todoroff
Subject: Re: scuba party

--- In spectropop, Simon W wrote:

> Does anyone have any info on The Elites on Era records?

Simon W, 

In doing research for my Leon Russell bio I discovered
he played on a few sessions for Era Records involving
The Elites. Below are the particulars of these sessions.
I've got the info on the 45's if you need it. Leon
played piano and organ on these sessions. He played on
many obscure and not-so-obscure tunes in the '60s. You
can see for yourself when my book, "Longhair Music",
comes out next year. See more about Leon at
www.mazeppa.com

Happy Thanksgiving to all Spectropop members!

Steve Todoroff

Here's the format of the session information:

Date
Record Label
Studio
Artist
Tunes
Session Leader


2-22-64
Era
Gold Star
The Sci-Fis/The Fisher Bros.
/The Elites
"Coming On"; "What's The Password"; "Big Round Wheel"; 
"Science Fiction"
Billy Strange


4-9-65	
Era	
Gold Star	
Jewel Akens/	The Elites
"Sir Galahad";"The Burning Sands"; "Don't Stop Now";
"You Better Believe It"
Don Ralke


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Message: 3
   Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:37:56 -0500
   From: "Jack Madani" 
Subject: re: Sweet Talkin Guy

Spectropop Group writes:

>Sweet Talkin Guy wowed me when I heard it first

I don't know about others here, but I find myself often
bypassing the famous recordings (the ones that always get
played on the oldies stations) in search of the obscure,
out of some barely-acknowledged, regretfully elitist,
never-actually-stated theory that "obscure is better." 
It's a failing in me, and I'm working on it.  ;-)

But I can NEVER bypass Sweet Talkin' Guy (or One Fine Day
either, for that matter).  STG is just so good, with the
harpsichord and the da-dum/da-dum/da-dum ostinato and the
backing harmonies and the shaky reed instrumental insert.
What a great song!

The part that always slays me, though, is at the end,
where all those backing parts get piled on all at once:

a) "stay......away from him.....for you know......you'll
never win....." b) "stayawayfromhim stayawayfromhim
dontbelieveheeslyin..." c) "sweetsweet, sweettalkin
guyyyyyy...."

They all fit together like gears in a Swiss watch.  It
was the grooviest--literally--thing I had ever heard.

Then years later, I heard Mozart's Jupiter Symphony,
where he does the same thing in the final movement.

Straight from the fridge, dad.  It, like, fractures me.

jack


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Message: 4
   Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:26:41 -0800 (PST)
   From: Roberto Tirado 
Subject: Re: RONETTES ROYALTIES

Even though we all know that Phil usually used other
backup singers on the Ronettes' songs, leave it to Cher
to state as she did some years ago that she did backup
and mentioned Ronnie's family also singing backup (the
Ronettes)...that if Phil included them is a different
story. 

Personally having been Phil's coffee boy in NYC at
Mirasound and A & R studios, I saw him do many unorthodox
things I recall, such as stating this particular singer
stinks after he recorded her/him and proceeded to dub
them out. My only error (remember I was a teen) was
telling Phil I liked a particular vocalist and he banned
me from the studio for a week or two. 

When the Ronettes were at Basin St East here in NYC, I
visited them often, and we shared lots of time together
at the Wellington Hotel on the 19th floor. I recall every
detail. Nedra said to me that Phil always made promises
he couldn't keep, like letting her do a solo on a LP.
Nedra has a beautiful voice. It was Estelle who told me
Phil recorded only the Ronettes on How Does It Feel with
Cher doing an answer type refrain in the backup. Estelle
said she liked that song very much because she was dating
their then road manager (an Asian fellow) and things were
going good. I live in NYC and spent a lot of time with
Phil and the Ronettes, especially at their 89th street
west side apartment (the shots are in Ebony and Jet).

Hope this helps.

A True RONETTES fan,

Robert Tirado


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Message: 5
   Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:25:23 EST
   From: Paul Urbahns 
Subject: Ronettes Recordings

Jamie wrote:

> Let's also remember that in this same case the
> Ronettes sought ownership of their Phil Spector
> produced recordings! Think that's going too far? So
> did Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Paula Omansky, who
> wrote in her decision: "Spector's contributions to the
> Ronettes' success cannot be underestimated, as
> composer of their songs, and as creator of the sound
> for which the Ronettes' recording hits became famous.
> Rescinding the 1963 recording contract and taking
> ownership of the masters away from Spector is not
> warranted."

Paul adds:

I agree the full rights should not be taken away from
Phil, but if joint rights of some kind were declared then
the recordings would be licensed to various companies and
would appear on the various artists comps that most
people (meaning the general public) buy. Since Phil
restricts their use to his label, other than a few spins
on oldies radio, you never hear a Ronettes or Crystals
record much anymore.

It's only because of Phil's hoarding traits the songs are
not for sale, and therefore the licensees don't receive
the kind of income from past recordings that they should.

Hopefully, Ronnie and the girls will use some of the
money and reinvest it in new recordings recreating their
old hits so that they can circulated to the various
labels and for use in future movies. That way a new
generation will come to appreciate the music. A give them
a continuing income for years to come.

Paul Urbahns


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Message: 6
   Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:20:25 -0000
   From: Don Baylis 
Subject: London American & Other Stuff !

Kingsley says .. 

> "on the wonderful London American label...Ah, happy
> days...that label housed all Uncle Phil's classic
> output,"

Definitely 'THE' label for a wide variety of great
releases ... however The Crystals "There's No Other" b/w
"Oh Yeah, Maybe Baby" was released on Parlophone .. (said
here, very tongue in cheek) I guess that record doesn't
count as one of Uncle Phil's classics then 

Speaking of classics by Phil, a really strange release on
London was that of The Top Notes, 'Twist and Shout', as
the B Side of April Stevens and Nino Tempo's 'Sweet and
Lovely'. Whilst admittedly not as good a recording as
that by the Isley Bros., it does have a rather good sound
all its own and doesn't deserve the panning given it by
Bert Berns in the liner notes to the WEA CD Twist And
Shout.

Still on London, can anyone help with regard to the
original US label of London HLU 9373, Anchors Aweigh, Pts
1 and 2, by B-Lou Jones and His Jupiters. A great
instrumental, but whereas the vast majority of London
releases credited the US source, this specific issue
didn't. I have wondered since 1961 about this.

A couple of girl groups I haven't seen any mention of on
Spectropop that I feel deserve such are 1 : The Charades
- He's Not Your Boyfriend - on WB 5415, typical sound for
the time, 1963 I believe, light and fluffy, but fun, and
2: from 1974, Bones - My One and Only c/w Baby Don't Make
Me Cry on Jet Records 748, a definite mixture of the
Shangri Las and The Crystals. Interesting considering
it's from the mid 70s.

Lastly, re the recent mention of the Joanie Sommers/Rick
Nelson Stage 67 ABC TV production of "On The Flip Side".
Is this available on either VHS or DVD ?

Cheers
Don Baylis


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Message: 7
   Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:15:07 -0000
   From: "Kingsley Abbott" 
Subject: The last great girl group record...

Wow, this one could run and run....Lets hope that the
last GG record hasn't actually been cut yet! I'd have to
go for Kirsty MacColl's great original version of "They
Don't Know" over the Tracy Ullman version, and what
about The Jodelles' "My Boy" and "Girls Fall In Love"
1983 singles, Jerri Bo Keno's "Here It Comes", Ronnie's
"Say Goodbye To Hollywood",  Voice Of the Beehive's
"Don't Call Me Baby" and quite a few decent remakes of
classics by the likes of Holly & The Italians, Rachel
Sweet, Bette Midler etc etc...and of course Darlene's
Christmas one from Home Alone!

Just got the 'red bird' GG Cd from Donna Loren's website
- I reckon its well worth picking up - also treated
myself to a nice autographed photo! (You can even
request the dedication on it!)...and they say we're all
old enough to know better!

Kingsley Abbott


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Message: 8
   Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:39:31 EST
   From: John Cook 
Subject: Re: Scuba Party

Someone may beat me to the punch but I have seen the
movie, though in its MST3K version. It's a standard Beach
movie with AIP veteran Tommy Kirk starring. Little
Richard shows up for no reason on the ship taking the
kids to Catalina Island to do "Scuba Party" while wearing
an amazing gold lame suit. It's a tribute to his talent
that he could make even this song sound rockin'. I don't
think it's been released in any format as far as I know.
Was there a soundtrack album? The movie also features a
girl singer, name escapes me, who sings yet another song
called "The Book of Love", no relation to any other songs
of that name. If the movie is released soon, the best bet
is on the Mystery Science Theater series. Rhino might
have more info. BTW Anyone know if the songs from "Hello
Down There" ever came out? 

Hope this helps-
  jon cook


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Message: 9
   Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:02:23 -0500
   From: "Jack Madani" 
Subject: catalina caper

Spectropop writes:

>1. the movie 'CATALINA CAPER [NEVER STEAL ANYTHING WET]'
>with Mary Wells and more importantly, Little Richard
>singing 'SCUBA PARTY'. Did it come out on video [uk
>format ] or even dvd? Has anyone seen the movie? 

Y'know, I believe I did see this, perhaps 10-15 years ago,
on TBS in an after-midnight timeslot.  Was Little Richard
singing the song on the deck of the ferryboat that takes
the kids out to the island?

If, therefore, the movie does still exist in a viewable
form, then perhaps AMPOP-slash-American Movie Classics
will eventually show it.  Or else TNT, which has
sometimes shown some of those cool unknown flix that TBS
used to show back when they were a hungry up and comer.

Keep yer fingers crossed and keep checkin' the tv guide,
jack


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Message: 10
   Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:34:52 -0000
   From: "Ian Chapman" 
Subject: Louise Cordet

Ian Slater wrote:-

>Further to Alan Miller's comments about reissues of
> Louise Cordet's material, I think she has been poorly
> served. I believe "Two Lovers" is the only track
> currently available and it is frankly embarrassing
> compared with the Mary Wells classic!
> Her EP "The Sweet Sound of..." is very much more
> appropriate with the ballad "Everytime" my own favourite
> - none of the tracks were issued on her 5 UK singles and
> she never had an LP. Anyone who likes "So Hard to Be Good"
> on the film "Disco-O-Tec Holiday" (aka "Just for You") is
> unlikely to be disapointed by any of her singles (except
> perhaps "2 Lovers/ Don't Make Me Over" - she really
> wasn't a soul singer).
>
>  How about a CD, Decca? And one of the Orchids too

Sorry, I have to disagree about "Two Lovers" - I'd say
it's her best record, and I prefer Louise's version over
the original.  She wasn't trying to be a soul singer -
her double-tracked, slightly Ronnie Spector-ish vocal
takes the song out of the soul arena and puts it
somewhere between girl-group and merseybeat.  On this,
Louise was the epitome of 60s brit-girl cool.

However, I do agree that she's under-represented on CD,
but unfortunately neither she nor the Orchids cut enough
tracks to fill even half a CD by today's standards.

Ian


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Message: 11
   Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:11:59 -0000
   From: "Phil Chapman" 
Subject: Sweet Talking Guy

 Chuck writes:

> Sweet Talkin Guy wowed me when I heard it first in 1966.

The very first time I heard the intro I thought it was
going to be an updated version of "Theme From A Summer
Place". Now and again it still hits me that way.

The cascading vocals are fun, but my favourite GG example
is the chorus of "Best Part Of Breakin' Up": three
different parts by three different *types* of backing
vocals - superb!

Phil


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Message: 12
   Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 21:16:22 +0900
   From: "Spectropop Administration" 
Subject: New in Spectropop Photo Gallery

New in Spectropop Photo Gallery

Inside the "PSAS Philately Covers" Folder
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All the front covers of Philately and That Will Never
Happen Again, the seminal 1980's publications that
defined the genre. Covers reproduced with the kind
permission of the original publisher.

Inside the "I'll Try Anything order coupon" Folder
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Zowee! A photograph of the original mail order mini skirt,
modeled (sort of) by our own Carole Gibson. Thanks,
Carole!

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/lst



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Message: 13
   Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 06:43:53 -0600
   From: Dan Hughes 
Subject: Society Girls

A song called "SPCLG" (Society for the Prevention of
Cruelty to Little Girls) was a hit in Indianapolis (my
hometown) in the early 60's.  A wonderful record, sounded
Motown to me but was actually on VeeJay.

What can you tell me about this group?

Thanks,

---Dan


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