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There are 13 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 299:

      1. Re: Sweet Talkin Guy
           From: "David Bash" 
      2. Chiffons' suspect miming moment - Supremes' too
           From: "Ian Chapman" 
      3. Re: Sweet Talkin Guy
           From: Marc Wielage 
      4. Re: Chiffons - Disc-O-Tec Holiday
           From: "Ian Slater" 
      5. Jeanette
           From: Sheila 
      6. Be My Baby
           From: "Don Charles" 
      7. Re: Rock of Rages
           From: "Don Charles" 
      8. RE: Vogues in the UK
           From: "Phil Chapman" 
      9. Re: Jeanette
           From: Frank 
     10. Re: Be My Baby
           From: Frank 
     11. Re: Jeanette
           From: "Jean Emmanuel Dubois" 
     12. The Orchids & Louise Cordet.
           From: Alan Miller 
     13. 60s videos
           From: "Phil Chapman" 


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Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:13:42 -0800
   From: "David Bash" 
Subject: Re: Sweet Talkin Guy

 Chuck writes:
>
> Sweet Talkin Guy wowed me when I heard it first in 1966.
> I assumed it was made that year.  It really felt like a
> blast form the past when it came out.  A 1963 sound in
> 1966.  I always thought it was the last true girl group
> song to be made.  Now I'm not so sure. Any insights from
> this marvelous list are most welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck

I would nominate "Condition Red" by The Goodees as a true
girl group record made after Sweet Talkin Guy.  It was
originally released in 1968 on Hip Records, and can now
be found on CD on the excellent Ace Records compilation
"Where The Girls Are".

One could also call 1969's "Nothing But A Heartache" by
The Flirtations a true girl group record.
--
Spectropop Rules!!!!!
Take Care,
David


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Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:36:09 -0000
   From: "Ian Chapman" 
Subject: Chiffons' suspect miming moment - Supremes' too

Phil wrote:

> Opening with a National Geographic front cover type scene,
> a suspect miming moment (details please, Ian)

If you insist. Accomplished lip-readers amongst you will
notice that Sylvia in the 2nd verse starts to lip-synch
"everybody says give him up" and then realises it should
be "everybody says he's no good" and corrects herself.  A
minor misdemeanour (but it's little things like this that
add to the fun, ain't it?)

And here's another:  If you have access to the Supremes'
appearance in the movie "Beach Ball", check out what
they're actually lip-synching to the title song "Beach
Ball".  The track (which was eventually released on CD)
goes "Come on, come on, come on - to the beach ball with
me."  Yet the group are actually miming "come on, come on,
to the - bikini party with me".  (No, I'm not imagining
this, Phil!)  Mary Wilson's autobiog noted that they did
in fact record a song called "Bikini Party" which was
never released.  Looks as though it was re-written to tie
in with the movie title. If you're quick, you can pick
out the original lip-synching right at the beginning of
the song, but during the rest of it, the girls are only
on screen when the rewritten lyrics coincide with the
original ones.  Every time the difference is about to
become obvious, the camera cuts away to Ed Byrnes, Bob
Logan & co. in drag, being chased by police around an
auto show.  (Essential to the plot. Well, I say "plot".......)

Ian


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Message: 3
   Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:24:57 -0800
   From: Marc Wielage 
Subject: Re: Sweet Talkin Guy

Chuck  commented on The Spectropop Group:

> Sweet Talkin Guy wowed me when I heard it first in 1966.
> I assumed it was made that year.  It really felt like a
> blast form the past when it came out.  A 1963 sound in
> 1966.  I always thought it was the last true girl group
> song to be made.  Now I'm not so sure.

>-----------------------------<snip>----------------------------<


Yeah.  To me, that song was one of the real highlights of
1966, and that's a year with over 740 charted hits.  Gotta
love that oboe solo in the instrumental break.  As far as
I know, it was recorded that same year.  (A decade later,
Manhattan Transfer covered it on their 1975 album.)

If you liked that song, then you'd probably like the
Chiffons' follow-up from a few months later in 1966 --
"Out of This World," which has a 90% identical melody.

--MFW

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Message: 4
   Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:16:09 -0000
   From: "Ian Slater" 
Subject: Re: Chiffons - Disc-O-Tec Holiday

I've just obtained a video of this film and was also
delighted at the video footage of the Chiffons, arguably
the most consistent of all the successful 60s girl groups.
Does anyone know of any other extant film footage of this
great group?

But the film is also memorable for the appearance of the
Orchids, three schoolgirls from Coventry who were the
only British group to come out with a series of records
that came close to the classic US girl group sound. The
song, "Mr. Scrooge", wasn't their best - but it's fun, as
is the staged Christmas setting with scarfs, snowballs
and a snowman. Again, anyone know of further footage of
this group, Britain's finest?

There is also an appearance by Louise Cordet, the sexy
God-daughter of the Duke of Edinburgh, the Queen's
husband, who (Louise, not the Duke!) earlier had a hit in
the UK with "I'm Just A Baby". She also appeared (but in
black and white) in the slightly earlier film "Just for
You".

The reason for all this UK talent (and some more
questionable talent!) is that the film originated as a UK
film: "Just for Fun", and was extended for the US market.
I've never seen the original but I doubt that it has the
Chiffons not least because  "Nobody Knows.." doesn't
feature on the Soundtrack LP.


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Message: 5
   Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:01:47 -0500
   From: Sheila 
Subject: Jeanette

Hello to everyone!

Due to my incredibly hectic semester at University, I
haven't posted anything on Spectropop for over a year. So
what brings me out from under the books is a singer named
Jeanette, whom I discovered only recently.

I picked up her album from 1981 called "Corazon de Poeta,"
and it's truly the most beautiful, melodic album I have
heard in quite awhile. She's a Latin American singer who
was quite famous in both Latin America and Europe during
the late 70's, early 80's. It seems that two songwriters
were responsible for most of her material (Alejandro/
Magdalena). I'm dying to know if these two wrote for any
other artists, as every one of their songs is remarkable.
BUT.....it is really Jeanette's voice that I must
emphasize. It is just so silky and soft, and combined
with the gorgeous arrangements, she creates such a warm,
gentle sound.

I would say that her sound is very similar to both
Francoise Hardy and France Gall (very French pop), and I
also hear some Abba-esque melodies in there. I am so
excited about this singer, and I urge anyone interested
in girl groups, soft rock, etc, to check her out! And
don't be dissuaded by the ugly CD reissues (with really
cheesy 80's graphics and colors) - I can guarantee that
you won't be disappointed.

If anyone on this list has more info on Jeanette, please
let me know! Thanks so much.

Happy Thanksgiving, 

Sheila

p.s. A few people from Spectropop emailed me to ask about
the new issue of "Cha Cha Charming." Just to let everyone
know, I'm so overwhelmed with school right now that I've
had no time to work on it. But I'm shooting for a May
2002 release date. I will keep y'all posted!


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Message: 6
   Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:26:01 +0000
   From: "Don Charles" 
Subject: Be My Baby

Regarding the Ellie Greenwich 2-Cd bootleg, is anyone
other than me experiencing playback difficulties?  From
the start, I could barely play the second CD at all, and
now the final songs on the first CD aren't tracking well.
I thought maybe something was wrong with my equipment,
but none of my other CDs give me this problem.

Don Charles


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Message: 7
   Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:30:38 +0000
   From: "Don Charles" 
Subject: Re: Rock of Rages

Carole writes:

> In the Leader of the Pack musical, Ellie sings the
> song Rock of Rages. Does anyone know anything about
> this song? Has it been recorded at all?

No, I don't think anyone else has ever recorded it.  It
was definitely written for the show, but by that I mean
the original Bottom Line production, which preceded the
Broadway musical.  Other songs that Ellie Greenwich wrote
for the show (with or without Jeff Kent and Desmond Child,
her collaborators at the time) include "Heart Made Of
Stone," "We're Gonna Make It (After All)," "Good Things
Take Time," "IOU," "A . . . My Name Is Angel," and "Dance
Crazy Number."  Some of these songs either didn't make it
to Broadway, or appeared in revised versions (i. e. "A . .
. My Name Is Ellie").

Again I query:  When are these songs going to finally
make it to CD???  Inquiring minds want to know!

Don Charles


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Message: 8
   Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:24:53 -0000
   From: "Phil Chapman" 
Subject: RE: Vogues in the UK

Kingsley:

>Dean thought that "You're The One" probably didn't come
>out in Britain, but it certainly did - on the wonderful
>London American label...

There was also a Welsh band called The Vogues who had
one single out on Columbia in 1966 - a cover of John
Sebastian's "Younger Girl" coupled with a cover of The
Knickerbockers' "Lies". Although lacking the feel of the
Critters' version, the 'A' side was vaguely U.S.
Vogues/Happenings sounding. Posted to the files area for
inspection.

Phil


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Message: 9
   Date: Wed, 21 Nov 01 08:02:41 +0200
   From: Frank 
Subject: Re: Jeanette

Sheila wrote:

>If anyone on this list has more info on Jeanette, please
>let me know!

She had a huge hit all over Europe with a song called
"Porque Te Vas" featured on the soundtrack of (I think)
an Almodovar movie.

Frank


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Message: 10
   Date: Wed, 21 Nov 01 08:02:40 +0200
   From: Frank 
Subject: Re: Be My Baby

No problem at all on my copy, Don. To really check it,
you should try and play the CD on another machine.

Frank

>Regarding the Ellie Greenwich 2-Cd bootleg, is anyone
>other than me experiencing playback difficulties? 
>...none of my other CDs give me this problem.


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Message: 11
   Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:14:20 +0200 (MET)
   From: "Jean Emmanuel Dubois" 
Subject: Re: Jeanette

Hi!
Jeanette is featured on: "Popp musique" a brillant comp
featuring Andre Popp productions & compositions.
Claudine Longet/Jeanette/+ lots of "my love is blue man"
rare tracks!!! check out at 
http://www.tricatel.com
By the way the song featured is: Jeremy

Best!!!

next Tricatel comp will include a focus on David
Whitacker of France Gall, Gainsbourg and Marianne
Faithfull hall of fame!


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Message: 12
   Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 05:37:53 -0500
   From: Alan Miller 
Subject: The Orchids & Louise Cordet.

"Ian Slater" wrote:

>But the film is also memorable for the appearance of the
>Orchids, three schoolgirls from Coventry who were the
>only British group to come out with a series of records
>that came close to the classic US girl group sound.
>
>There is also an appearance by Louise Cordet, the sexy
>God-daughter of the Duke of Edinburgh, the Queen's
>husband, who (Louise, not the Duke!) earlier had a hit in
>the UK with "I'm Just A Baby". She also appeared (but in
>black and white) in the slightly earlier film "Just for
>You".

Just as a point of interest, the Orchids track from this
film is available on the Impact records compilation "Girl
Zone" which also features a host of UK Girl Group wannabe
types like The Vernon Girls, Lady Lee, Babbity Blue,
Beverly's lovely "Happy New Year" and my particular
favourite, the haunting "You" by Lorraine Child.

Also included is Louise Cordet singing a version of Smokey
Robinson's "Two Lovers".  The sleeve notes remark that her
version is "a great blend of.. Mowtown meets Merseybeat,
with a touch of Ronnie Spectors in the vocals".

With sleeve notes by Ian Chapman and the whole thing
compiled by Mick Patrick who am I to argue!

Alan.


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Message: 13
   Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:57:31 -0000
   From: "Phil Chapman" 
Subject: 60s videos

Tony:
>Petula DID sing "You're The One" (and
>"Downtown" and "My Love") live in the videotaped concert
>"The Big TNT Show" in 1965, and Phil Spector conducted
>the band.  That is the only connection I would imagine
>between the 2 parties

Thanks for solving that one, the story must have gathered
momentum as it crossed the water. Is the complete TNT
show available on video? I think I've seen several chunks,
but never the whole thing. Also, is the Shindig Chiffons'
clip commercially available?

Finally, do you know of any available clips of The
Ronettes or Crystals lip-synching to the Philles
recordings? I would give anything to see again the TOTP
Ronettes' larger-than-life "Baby I Love You" routine, or
The Crystals' 1964 edition of the UK show "They've Sold A
Million" in which they mimed to all their hits including
"I Wonder" (and it's not just my imagination, Ian). Each
of the girls in turn were interviewed between numbers.
When La La Brooks was asked the meaning of "Da Doo Ron
Ron" she just shrugged her shoulders, gave that bashful
smile and said "Well, you meet a guy, and y'know..........
Da Doo Ron Ron"! I've heard politicians give less
succinct replies:-)

Phil


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