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Spectropop - Digest Number 296

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There are 17 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 296:

      1. VIVA Popcorn-ola!!
           From: "Jack Madani" 
      2. Girl groups, ZTSP etc, Popcorn
           From: "Paul Payton" 
      3. Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)
           From: "Kingsley Abbott" 
      4. Re: Chiffons: Disk-O-Tek Holiday
           From: "Tony Leong" 
      5. Ode to Epic
           From: "Randy M. Kosht" 
      6. The Rockin' Ramrods, Freddy Cannon
           From: James Botticelli 
      7. Patty Goes Surfing
           From: John Rausch 
      8. Everything you always wanted to know about 
         Mrs. Miller but were afraid to ask
           From: Matthew David 
      9. Re: Joanie Sommers, actress
           From: Jane Wade 
     10. Jeff & Matt: Thanks...
           From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
     11. Re: 5 o'clock world
           From: "Cary E. Mansfield" 
     12. Re: 5 o'clock World/The Vogues
           From: Deena Canale 
     13. The Vogues
           From: Tom Waters 
     14. Re: 5 o'clock world
           From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
     15. The Vogues
           From: Jane Wade 
     16. Re: 5 o'clock world
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
     17. RE: Vogues
           From: Dean Scapolo 


Message: 1
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:45:19 -0500
   From: "Jack Madani" 
Subject: VIVA Popcorn-ola!!

>Listen to Yoshiko and learn how not to speak Japanese!

What, that's NOT Japanese?  Dang!

What a magnificent, TOWERING achievement.  It's Walking
On The Sun, Hernando's Hideaway, Chinese Lanterns, The
Name Game, and half a dozen others that I can't put my
finger on right this second, all jammed together into

JEEZ!!!  I'm on my fifth straight playback right now.

Dewd, if I could, I would make an endless loop of this
song, stick a portable boombox on my head, and use this
song as my personal soundtrack for living, as I walked
around during the day.  Can you see me making my entrance
into seventh grade earth science, to the MONSTROUS beat
of "Yo, Shee, Ko"?  The children would get down on their
knees and make obeisance at my passing, as the Egyptians
to their Pharoah.

By the way, have a listen to the Bobby Rydell version of
The One Who Really Loves You.  That guy could sing, I
tellsya, and here, he comes off like sort of a minor
league Bobby Darin (and I mean that in a good way).

(Okay, so now how do I download these streaming ra's to
my hard drive)

Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
   Princeton, NJ  08540   
"You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred." 
 --Henry Cabot Henhouse III

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Message: 2
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:46:59 -0500
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Girl groups, ZTSP etc, Popcorn

I noticed the Del-Fi girl group CD when I was
surfing their site, but didn't recognize any of the
artists. Anyone have it or heard any of them? How is

Did anyone ever find out anything about the Cheer
Leaders ("That's The Way With Love," Encore label c.
early '60's) that they could pass along to me? It's
one of the sweeteast Paris-Sisters-like 45's I own -
except mine is in bad shape from being overplayed.
Has it found its way to CD anywhere?

ZTSP and ZTSC are the two Columbia matrix prefixes
I'm most familiar with. Perhaps someone at Sony
Legacy (550 Madison Ave., NYC) could help you.
Regarding Epic, according to the histories I've
heard Mitch Miller was the President of Columbia
Records at the time and didn't want any of that rock
and roll on the label, so he created Epic to handle
the genre. Ultimately, it became a full-service
label. Odyssey, Date and Portrait were also created
in-house, but Bang and Shout came from Bert Berns,
Full Moon was Jim Guercio's (I'm pretty sure) and
T-Neck was owned by the Isley Bros; I believe those
were distribution deals.

Wow - on the Popcorn jukebox is "Raising Sugar Cane" by
the the Untouchables (Madison, early 60's). Anyone have
any details on this one? Additional finds: Ramona King's
"Oriental Garden" (Eden, '63); Terry Stafford doing
"Suspecto" (yep, "Suspicion" en Espagnol); and The
Playmates' wonderful "The Day I Died." And boy, what a
spectrum of artists: Les & Larry Elgart, Della Reese
(maybe this track is why she went into acting!) and Dinah
Shore(?!?) among others. The problem is that almost every
artist is packed into a song which sounds like a bad
version of Gene McDaniels "100 Pounds of Clay" - which
isn't posted. The entire site, with a few exceptions,
seems to be drowning in violins and has that Chuck
Jacksonish Scepter-Wand sound so prevalent in the early
soul period. Some moments here; definitely pop, but to me,
not spectacular. Worth one fun excursion, however.

>From Jeff Lemlich:

> The Chiffons treat us with the "Brute Force" of
> "Nobody Knows What's Goin' On In My Mind"!

A true masterpiece - big hair meets protest music thanks
to the amazing Mr. Force. WFMU asctually played it in
STEREO during Brute's interview with Irwin Chusid - it's
gotta be in their archives at

Country Paul

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Message: 3
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:41:09 -0000
   From: "Kingsley Abbott" 
Subject: Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)

For another cover of "Christmas", try Terry Crawford's -
final track on her "Total Loss Of Control" Canadian album
>from 1986 on Attic records (LAT 1228).  Its an eighties
production, but not aggressively so - quite nice sax in
there. She looks and sounds a bit like a better fed
Bonnie Tyler!  I can't really recommend anything else on
the album.

Also nestling next to it on my rack is another album with
a pretty nice castenet-laden Spector/Springsteen type big
sound - "That Love" by Susan Lynch - produced by Terry
Melcher for (Bruce) Johnston Records NFZ 37370 (1981).
Pretty damn good song- pure pop!  This album also
features Roger McGuinn doing his Rickenbacker 12 string
bit on a song called "My Big Reward" though he gets
somewhat drowned in the mix.  This album was partially
recorded but completely mixed at Gold Star.

Can I suggest that the group, assuming that many of us
will play Darlene's "Christmas" track this year, use it
as a trigger to spare a thought for all the families who
will be without their loved ones this year.  It can be
our moment of reflection...but still have a good one

Kingsley Abbott

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Message: 4
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 05:30:46 -0000
   From: "Tony Leong" 
Subject: Re: Chiffons: Disk-O-Tek Holiday

--- In Spectropop, Jimmy Crescitelli wrote:

> Any info on this teen flick and the Chiffons' appearance
> therein? Enquiring minds want to know! Has anyone of you
> all seen it?

Hi Jimmy, I never saw the entire movie, but I DO have the
Chiffons clip from the movie.  It's in color and they
lip-synch "Nobody Knows What's Going On In My Mind But Me".
The setting is a small waterfall with ducks, swans etc,
and the Chiffons (except Sylvia) are sitting on rocks
doing their hand motions (kinda looks like they are
shaking imaginary maracas) while miming to the song.
Sylvia is standing and miming the lead .   Sylvia almost
looks like a Ronette with her beehive and long braid in
the back!!!JUDY CRAIG IS NOT IN THE CLIP!!!!! She was
replaced by one of their friends' (I think Margie was her
name, a girl from the neighborhood who also did a Shindig
with them). I believe Judy was pregnant at the time, but
Sylvia, Pat and Barbara (the other original members) are
there in living color!!!!

Tony Leong

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Message: 5
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:35:09 -0800
   From: "Randy M. Kosht" 
Subject: Ode to Epic

On the subject of Epic Records:

"Mike Arcidiacono" wrote:

>SONY music owns Epic, Columbia, Date, Mainstream and many

Al Quaglieri followed with:

>Portrait, Alpine, Odyssey, Spindizzy, Bang, Shout, TNeck,
>Full Moon, Okeh

Epic also acquired much of the Ode Records catalogue
(except for Cheech and Chong) ca. 1977, following Ode's
early '70s distribution via A&M.  From 1967 to 1969, Ode
was distributed by CBS; when they moved to A&M, Epic kept
the group Spirit.

Randy Kosht

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Message: 6
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:32:18 EST
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: The Rockin' Ramrods, Freddy Cannon

> The Rockin' Ramrods, Freddy Cannon

My homeies from Boston...I actually got to interview
Freddy for a 6T's "Lost & Found" radio show I did back in
'95. It was a lotta fun. I asked him goofy stuff about
things like haircuts, waistlines, babe-catchin' skillz of
Freddy vs. Bobby vs. Fabian, L.A. restaurants vs. East
Coast, Arnie Ginsburg, stuff like that. Still have a copy!

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Message: 7
   Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:05:53 -0000
   From: John Rausch 
Subject: Patty Goes Surfing

Thanks Doc, for confirming my question on Patty Duke
doing Tell Me Momma. You replied to the group that you
have it on tape, do you mean the video of the show or a
cassette for the song? I like the song and am curious to
know how Patty`s version compares? I have a best of
Patty cd comp but that is not on there. However, there
is a KILLER unreleased track called Seven Day Wonder.

Who woulda known Patty could ROCK!!!!!!

Talk about hotdogs making her lose control.

John Rausch

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Message: 8
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:20:12 EST
   From: Matthew David 
Subject: Everything you always wanted to know about Mrs. 
         Miller but were afraid to ask

Will George writes:

> Does anyone have any idea whatever happened 
> to Mrs. Miller?

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Message: 9
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:23:36 -0800 (PST)
   From: Jane Wade 
Subject: Re: Joanie Sommers, actress

Thanks alot for that, Frank. 

--- Frank Wright wrote:

> "One Boy" was produced by The Big Sound of Don Ralke.
> Ralke is credited for doing the instr. overdubs on
> Jan & Arnie's "Jennie Lee", before moving to Warner
> Bros. to produce some of that label's early hits by
> Ed Kookie Byrnes, Connie Stevens, Tab Hunter, Dick &
> Dee Dee, and of course Joanie Sommers.  I like his
> Big Sound. Not quite as big as Spector achieved, but
> pretty cool for 1959-60.  

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Message: 10
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:05:55 EST
   From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
Subject: Jeff & Matt: Thanks...

... for the info on the Chiffons' Disk-O-Tek Holiday.  
: )

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Message: 11
   Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:30:04 +0900
   From: "Cary E. Mansfield" 
Subject: Re: 5 o'clock world

Keith Beach wrote:

> I just had one of those 'for-no-good-reason' sleepless
> nights..tuned-in to the cultural desert of UK nightime
> TV...only to be thrilled by the opening credits of 'The
> Drew Carey Show', the cast doing a routine to The Vogues
> "5 o'clock world". It sounded even better because it was
> so unexpected. It turns out the track was only used on
> the 3rd season, but as this sitcom never made it to
> primetime UK TV it was a total delight to hear it this
> way.
> So, my question is, apart from "5 o'clock" and Magic Town"
> are there any other tracks by the band that have the same
> special magic? I don't want to blow $20 on also-rans on a
> greatest hits package. Oh what the hell! I know I will
> buy it, but am I going to be disappointed?


If you like "Five O'Clock World" there is a best of the
Vogues CD available on our web site

Please feel free to check it out.

The Best Of The Vogues VSD-5680

Cary Mansfield
Varese Sarabande Records

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Message: 12
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:18:11 -0400
   From: Deena Canale 
Subject: Re: 5 o'clock World/The Vogues

> are there any other tracks by the Vogues that have the same
> special magic? 

Quite a few tracks have that special magic--I'm
particularly fond of "You're the One" (beats Pet Clark's
record by a wide margin...I love the background tenor's
show-offy upstaging of the lead singer's vocals during
every chorus--"you're the oooooooone, yeah yeah yeah yeah")
and their take on "You Baby" (slightly slower than the
Turtles' version).  Perhaps the best best-of comp would
be the one on Varese Sarabande--can't recall the title
right now.

Signed D.C.

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Message: 13
   Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 00:37:53 -0500
   From: Tom Waters 
Subject: The Vogues


It really depends on what your taste is like.  I prefer
the later Vogue sound to the earlier.  For example, I've
never liked "5 O'Clock World", but I think "Magic Town"
is all right.  From their early period, the songs I
really like are "You're the One" and "Looking For Jeanie".
However, as I said, I love their later sound which is
less in a rock vein and more in a big ballad style. Their
harmonies are always fantastic and I think they have a
number of majestic recordings.  These would include "Turn
Around, Look at Me", "My Special Angel", "Earth Angel",
"No Not Much", Woman Helping Man", "Moments to Remember"
and a few others.  It is really these recordings that are
the standouts for me.  Granted many of them are covers of
'50's vocal group recordings, but in many cases, I find
myself liking the Vogue versions even better than the
originals.  I love ballads and I really like the big
sound these recordings have.


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Message: 14
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:17:37 -0500
   From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
Subject: Re: 5 o'clock world

> So, my question is, apart from "5 o'clock" and Magic Town"
> are there any other tracks...

Holy hits, batman!! You mean, you've never heard "Youre
The One"???

One of the best songs of the 60s!!!


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Message: 15
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:20:41 -0800 (PST)
   From: Jane Wade 
Subject: The Vogues

"You Are My Special Angel" is a marvelous song with
great production by the Vogues.  "Five O'Clock World"
takes me straight back to a cold January in
1966....with special memories. 

Why, oh why don't they make them like that any more?


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Message: 16
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:34:25 -0000
   From: Billy G. Spradlin 
Subject: Re: 5 o'clock world

The two tracks you mentioned are my favorites too, but
the Vogues made some fine records though they always
seemed a bit too MOR bound for my tastes, especally when
they moved to Reprise records in 1967 and scored with
"My Special Angel" and "Turn Around - Look At Me". 

I suggest getting "You're The One - The Best of the
Vogues" from Varse Sarabande, covering the groups
1964-66 period for CO & CE records. Theres some nice
upbeat stuff on it (with less bombastic production),
like the 4 Seasons-like "Bonnie's Part Of Town" and a
good cover of Sloan-Barri's "You Baby" (which the group
had first dibs on - but chose not to release it, leading
the song to become a hit by the Turtles). This era
doesn't have the bombastic production style of the
Reprise era, some of the tracks have a low-budget
production feel to them but I think thats what makes
them better!

Also stay away from the cheap knockoff "best of" CD's
made by the later versions of the group - really bad!
Stick with Varese or the "Best of The Vouges" comp by


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Message: 17
   Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:43:26 +1300
   From: Dean Scapolo 
Subject: RE: Vogues


The Vogues were a brilliant quartet to come out of the
60s, unlike most late 60s groups their style was more
like the harmonising groups of the early to mid 50s, in
fact a good deal of their repetoire is covers of 50s hits
such as Moments To Remember and No, Not Much. As well as
originals like Turn Around Look At Me and Five O'Clock
World (The #2 working class anthem). I have their best of
on CD and although I don't play it often, I wouldn't be
without it. If you can get a hold of their best of, then
get it.

Dean Scapolo, in New Zealand where 5 O'Clock World hit #2.

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