________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Bringing the finest recorded entertainment into your home ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 18 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Each Time I Glide, I Wobble From: "Spector Collector" 2. Re: Bon Bons From: Ron Buono 3. Each Time (The Girls Can't Help It) From: Stewart Mason 4. Re: The Bon Bons - Looking for other songs From: Billy G. Spradlin 5. ROBIN WARD: THE LATA MANGESHKAR OF HOLLYWOOD From: Mick Patrick 6. I Wonder From: John Clemente 7. Skirt the issue From: "Phil Chapman" 8. Re: Rydell's backing singers From: Ron Buono 9. Re: Tim Rose From: "Joseph Scott" 10. Yellow Balloon From: Cass 11. ELLIE IN THE FLESH From: Mick Patrick 12. Re: Brute Force From: Mike Rashkow 13. Mirrors Of Your Mind From: "Phil Chapman" 14. Dontiki, Fugs, Girard, Wisner, Ward, Force From: "Paul Payton" 15. Re: Searchers Each Time From: Billy G. Spradlin 16. L.A. Spector Lovers From: Brian Chidester 17. Sam the Record Man From: "Vlaovic B" 18. SAM THE RECORD MAN From: Warren Cosford ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:44:47 +0000 From: "Spector Collector" Subject: Each Time I Glide, I Wobble Peter Lerner asked about The Bon Bons' "Each Time" last time around. I've heard before that there was supposedly some Shangri-Las involvement, but I don't believe that's been confirmed, has it? The only constant across their four Coral sides is production by Henry Jerome; composers are different on each of the tracks. The single in question (62435, backed with "Everybody Wants My Boy Friend") is certainly the stronger, but 62402, "What's Wrong with Ringo?"/"Come on Baby," is no throwaway. Let the buyer beware: there was a McGuire Sisters-type girl group called The Bon Bons that recorded on London in the '50s, so don't make the same mistake I did and think that you've made an important discovery if you see their records on a list someday. Billy G. Spradlin expressed delighted dismay that there was a girl group version of this "Each Time," and I'd like to point him to another: the more-than-credible "Erect-a-Spector" homage by Leslee Swanson that kicks off the 1984 Rhino LP "The Girls Can't Help It," a compilation of then-current girl sounds. It was good to hear that Frank Wright had confirmed that, as I've always believed, Phil Spector was the producer of Troy Shondell's "The Glider." (It seems like this was acknowledged in a Goldmine or Discoveries interview with Shondell a couple of years back, but I can't be sure.) In addition to the Everest LP Frank mentioned, the song is available on a 1994 Shondell CD from Canada called "The Trance" on Dunhill. Now if only someone would confirm my suspicion that Phil is also the producer of Curtis Lee's version of "The Wobble," or has that already been done? (Or if not, are there at least others out there that suspect the same thing?) Finally, why doesn't EMI, or at least Collectables, put out a compilation of the stuff Phil did during his brief A&R stint at Liberty? There's bound to be some first-time stereo and unreleased material in there. David A. Young Message: 2 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 16:52:02 EST From: Ron Buono Subject: Re: Bon Bons In a message dated 11/4/01, Spectropop writes: > Who can tell me anything about the Bon Bons? Their > Coral 45 of Jackie DeShannon's sublime "Each time" > (Coral 62435, produced by Henry Jerome) is a classic > girl group sound. Did they do anything else, and were > they really some or any of the Shangri-las, as the > vocal similarity is close to say the least. HI PETER According to the late Alan Betrock's "Girl Groups Discography" The BON BONS are "rumored to have contained members of The Shangri-La's". To my ears, I certainly do not hear Mary Weiss' voice in the mix, but if you listen to "Everybody wants my Boyfriend", on the phrase "Oooh tra-la-la...." that certainly may be a GANSA twin! And by the way, have you ever heard The Searchers' Spectorized version of "Each Time"? It ROCKS! RON Message: 3 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 09:55:14 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Each Time (The Girls Can't Help It) Billy Spradlin writes: >> Who can tell me anything about the Bon Bons? Their Coral >> 45 of Jackie DeShannon's sublime "Each time" (Coral 62435, >> produced by Henry Jerome) is a classic girl group sound. > >I didnt know there was a girl group version of this song! >The only versions I'm familar with are the Searchers >1966 version (recorded with tons of compression and >reverb on everything!) and Marti Jones laid back cover >on her "Used Guitars" CD. My introduction to this song came via Rhino's excellent 1984 comp THE GIRLS CAN'T HELP IT, which has a terrific version by Seattle-based singer Leslee Swanson, formerly of the Dynette Set (who were probably best known for adding backing vocals to various songs by the Young Fresh Fellows -- Dynette Setter Christy McWilson is married to head Fellow and Ian Hunter lookalike Scott McCaughey). An obscure rendition, but a terrific one. There's another cover of interest on THE GIRLS CAN'T HELP IT, an almost surfy take on the Crystals' fairly obscure Barry/Greenwich cut "Little Boy" by an otherwise unrecorded (as far as I know) Orange County group called the Signals. It's just phenomenal. Stewart Message: 4 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 21:02:53 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: The Bon Bons - Looking for other songs Just listened to the Bon Bons "Each Time". Its not the huge Wall-Of-Sound production I was expecting, but a excellent record anyway! Another request: I was reading the liner notes to Marshall Crenshaw's "This Is Easy!" best-of comp on Rhino (great stuff!). He mentions Babs Cooper "Honest I Do" as an inspiration for his 1982 track "Our Town" >from his "Field Day" LP ..anyone familar with this song? Im also on the lookout for several tracks mentioned in Mojo Collectables "Minister Of Sound" list: (Never heard these) Jerry Ganey - Just A Fool Keely Smith - No One Ever Tells You PJ Proby - I Can't Make It Alone Samantha Jones - I Deserve It Harvey & Doc - Oh Baby Thanks, Billy Message: 5 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:30:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Mick Patrick Subject: ROBIN WARD: THE LATA MANGESHKAR OF HOLLYWOOD Greetings, Original Message from Doc Rock: > ... I have the CD "The Story of ROBIN WARD: All the > Hits and More" and she rules! Ah, the good Doctor, a man who knows his Secrets from his Tammys and his Angels from his Pixies Three - a veritable guru of the Pixie Girl Sound. Take it from me and Doc, if you have a penchant for Connie Stevens, Jill Jackson, the Paris Sisters, April Stevens and Shelley Fabares, you simply have to get yourself some Robin Ward records. Here's a little information culled from the aforementioned C'mon, Get Happy! website's interview with Jackie/Robin..... She was born Jacqueline Eloise McDonnell in Hawaii and grew up in Nebraska. When the McDonnell Sisters started winning talent shows, their parents moved the family to California to give their three daughters a chance in showbiz. The trio performed on the Bandstand Revue TV show for four years in the mid-50s but when her two big sisters quit to get married Jackie turned to studio singing. For a while she combined singing demos with studying music at college. Smart move. A spell as a solo artist on the Dot label, where she was known as Robin (her own daughter's name) Ward was a mere blip in an incredible career. Here are just a few of her credentials: Robin/Jackie was the female voice on every recording by the Partridge Family, both on TV and on record. She was a regular performer on Shindig! (Robin/Jackie led the white female trio), the Sonny & Cher Show, the Red Skelton Show, the Carol Burnett Show and the Danny Kaye Show. She was the singing voice of Natalie Wood in the movies "Inside Daisy Clover" and "The Great Race". In Pat Boone's record "Speedy Gonzales" Robin/Jackie sang the part of Speedy. Robin/Jackie sang back-ups on recordings by Mama Cass, the Carpenters, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Nancy Wilson, Barbra Streisand, Sonny & Cher, etc, etc. The TV theme songs for "Batman" and "Flipper" were both sung by Robin/Jackie. She was the singing voice of Janet Leigh in the movie "American Dream" and of Cindy Bear in "Hey There, It's Yogi Bear!". Robin/Jackie has sung in over 800 movies and in countless TV commercials making her one of the most prolific voice-over artsits of all time. Jackie had a great talent for sounding younger than she really was, which is why she masqueraded as her own daughter for her solo recordings. When "Wonderful Summer" hit the charts she felt unable to promote the record on TV because, although she sounded 16, she didn't look it and felt that her teenage fans would be disappointed. Jackie was a woman of extreme good looks but her picture did not appear at all on her "Wonderful Summer" LP. The album is one of the lost treasures of the girl-group era and was re-released on CD in Japan some years back. MICK PATRICK Message: 6 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 20:35:57 -0500 From: John Clemente Subject: I Wonder Hello All, In response to the subject of where "I Wonder" was recorded, this would tie in with what I was told by Barbara Alston when she said that The Crystals continued to record with Phil, but not in California. La La was the only one flying back and forth. At least this is what I was led to believe from La La when she stated that all her leads were cut separately. In other interviews she talks about her trips to California, relating her shopping trips with Cher. Regards, John Clemente Message: 7 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 23:06:42 -0000 From: "Phil Chapman" Subject: Skirt the issue Don Charles: >....I'm practically beside myself with joy at hearing >rare Ellie demos like the original "I'll Try Anything" Reading this brings to mind a little cut of 60s kitsch: After checking out Dusty's "I'll Try Anything" in one of those anechoic listening booths that resembled a space-age hairdryer (styles were BIG those days) I was sufficiently smitten to purchase a copy. Imagine my surprise on reading the following, neatly inserted into the 7" sleeve: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SENSATIONAL POP MINI-SKIRT EXCLUSIVE TO THE PURCHASERS OF "I'LL TRY ANYTHING" Records or Music In beautiful white material specially printed with the words and music of Dusty Springfield's latest hit record "I'll Try Anything" Only 15/- each (Including Postage & Packing) *Normal price if available to the public at least 22/6* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A maximum skirt length of 24" precluded placing an order, but somebody must have? And did this fate befall any other classic songs of the 60s? And if anybody is wondering what planet I'm on, the evidence is posted to the Photos area in a folder called "I'll Try Anything order coupon". http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/lst Message: 8 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 17:01:58 EST From: Ron Buono Subject: Re: Rydell's backing singers In a message dated 11/4/0, spectropop writes: > I have a nagging but vague memory that I asked this > question on Spectropop a long time ago, and that > somebody had an answer--something along the line of, > it was these three middle-aged matrons who used to do > needlepoint between takes. Something real surprising > like that. Hi Jack- I believe it was I who had asked that question a while back, and I too was quite surprised to hear about the black trio of matrons who always sounded like white teeny-boppers to me! Now, can anyone tell us who the girl group was on Del Shannon's "Little Town Flirt", "Too Many Teardrops" and other tracks? They were as good or better than many of the gal groups of that time. Dont'cha think? RON Message: 9 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 18:19:01 -0700 From: "Joseph Scott" Subject: Re: Tim Rose Rose has a great voice -- he wasn't the first to record either Bonnie Dobson's song "Morning Dew" or Fred Hellerman and Fran Minkoff's song "Come Away Melinda," but his versions of these two songs were very influential on other artists. Joseph Scott Message: 10 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 04:39:13 -0000 From: Cass Subject: Yellow Balloon Hello, I just now have had the time to read through many of the posts on this board and saw a few about the band "Yellow Balloon". Just wanted to pass along the url to a site all about that Amazing band!! www.geocities.com/yellownoollab Many Smiles, Cass Message: 11 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 10:46:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Mick Patrick Subject: ELLIE IN THE FLESH Greetings, Yowzah! The stream of epistles from MIKE RASHKOW continues to enthrall us all. With the interest in all things ELlIE GREENWICH-related rekindled by the Brill Tone bootleg CDs and A & E's Hitmakers documentary, Rashkowski's recollections could not be more well timed. And hey, this guy knows how to DISH. My only concern is that we are keeping him away from his golf. The tracks "IN THE FLESH" and "MAN OVERBOARD" on the eponymous 1976 debut album by BLONDIE feature backing-vocals by Ellie Greenwich, Hilda Harris and Micki Harris. One cannot help but presume that "Micki" Harris and Ellie's 1960s pal "Mikie" Harris of the Rag Dolls/Les Girls are one and the same person. More on LES GIRLS: the plug-side of Laurie 3368, "I STILL LOVE YOU", was written by Mikie Harris and Mike Lendell (aka Rashkow). The arranger was Pete Dino and the producer credits read: "A Mikiemike Music Prod. Prod. by Mike Rashkow". Mike tells me that the lead vocals were by Mikie and he and she were not yet married at the time. It's a great track and I think the only reason we didn't use it on the 1984 "Where The Girls Are" LP or the 1993 "Kiss'n'Tell" CD (which I compiled from the comfort of a hospital bed!) is that EMI (who now own the Laurie label) were unable to locate a mastertape. Right, it's about time I got back to listening to "CHICO'S GIRL" by BERNADETTE PETERS. Backing-vocals on this 1980 track are by ... wait for it, wait for it ... Ellie Greenwich and Mikie Harris. Barry Mann plays on it, too. MICK PATRICK Message: 12 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 09:56:48 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Brute Force David Ponak writes: > Artists performing include Brute Force, Wow, Brute Force lives. Did not know that. Wrote some very unique stuff in the late sixties. Was on Columbia, where they gave him a real good shot-possibly two albums, and then Hank Medress from the Tokens produced a live (live in the studio thing) with him. My favorite was "In Jim's Garage" on the first album. But more to the point for the Spectropop group is that Ellie G. Mikie H and Jeannie T did all the backgrounds on that first album and do they souund good or what?? I would also offer that if you want to hear them at their background best, find a copy of "S.O.S. Heart In Distress" on Cameo, it was produced by Richie Cordell (later of Joan Jett fame) and Beau Gentry (who seems to be off the radar for a long time). Artie Butler did the charts. When you listen to "the girls" on this one check out Jeannie up in the stratosphere nailing some notes that only dogs usually can hear. The parts were overdubbed in Bell Sound Studio C. I was the button pusher on the date, and it is etched in my memory. S.O.S. is still one of my all time personal top ten records. Artie Butler wrote a little morse code kind of thing done with (I think) guitar doubled with glockenspiel that was the repetitious figure in the chart. Very unique. Record didn't make it. I always thought someone would re-do it and get a hit...... I'm takin' on hurt it's comin' in waves baby. I'm sinkin' so fast and I'm so afraid--someone save me. I can see pictures of my whole love story goin' down down down I can see heartbreak and it's headed straight for me goin' down down down Just like a ship that's lost in a stormy sea, baby I need help-oh won't you rescue me. S.O.S Heart In Distress S.O.S Heart In Distress Not Cynthia Weil or Carol Bayer Sager, but not too shabby. Message: 13 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 23:53:51 -0000 From: "Phil Chapman" Subject: Mirrors Of Your Mind Mike Rashkow: >The recent contact with the Spectropop group motivated me >to go back to the archives and confirm some information. So did I, and came up with your DRC recording of "Mirrors Of Your Mind", an uncharacteristic Teddy Randazzo tune. It may have taken 34 years, but it has really grown on me! It always annoyed me that you didn't fix the bass glitch on the first repeat chorus. Neat phasing though. Who are all the vocals? Flipside arranged by Sy Klopps, really!! - that's the one eyed like to know more about? >....the final mix on RDMH.... >As God is my witness, she played it, took it off the >turntable and threw it across the room---absolutely >distraught. Yes, I can imagine. I learned very early on never ever to have the songwriter present during the arrangement or the mix - unless, of course, they were the artist....and even then... (runs for cover) Message: 14 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 02:46:12 -0500 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Dontiki, Fugs, Girard, Wisner, Ward, Force Catching up on stuff.... Beware: Flash pages on Dontiki site (www.dontiki.com) hijacked my navigation toolbars; you can't get out of it unless you use ctrl-alt-del. Not very nice surprise, folks, although the graphics were a treat.... Re: The Fugs, guess what's online: www.thefugs.com! Their stuff's in print, too. Re: Chuck Girard - his Christian group's first album "Love Song" (eponymous, I believe) got airplay on hippie-progressive radio (at the time) WHCN in Hartford, CT, especially "Feel The Love," very Beach Boysy and beautiful - the message was subtle enough to get away with on left-wing mainstream radio. Re: Jimmy Wisner didn't quite "disappear"; I met him a couple of years ago at Taylor Made Studios in Caldwell, NJ, producing the "comeback" album for Tommy James on Aura. It's worth checking out - there are some surprisingly deep Beach Boys-type sounds on it. Nice to have you aboard, Mike Rashkow. And folks who know '50's music as well will pick up that Tony Pass[alaqua] was the lead voice of the Fascinators ("Chapel Bells"/"Oh, Rose Marie"), wasn't he? Two NYC group harmony classics! Re: Robin Ward - "Wonderful Summer" is a masterpiece; wish I knew more of her output. Question: were she and Dale Ward (he had "A Letter From Sherry" also on Dot around the same time, '63) related? (And who did the voice of "Sherry" on the Dale Ward 45?) Re: Brute Force - David Ponak, commendations on playing his music! "Confections of Love" has two of my favorite songs - "To Sit On A Sandwich" and "No Olympian Height" - sort of Broadway on Acid. Brute (aka Stephen Friedland) is still alive and well; he is selling some boutique pressings of some unreleased work, including the notorious Apple 45 "King of Fuh." Not the Warner Brothers stuff though, but "Adam and Evening" is worth checking out in any format. Irwin Chusid did 90 minutes live with him a coupla months back on WFMU; many programs are archived at www.wfmu.org - perhaps this one is. Anyone interested in the recent CD's can contact me off-list for his e-mail address (no website yet). Country Paul Message: 15 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:31:37 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: Searchers Each Time > And by the way, have you ever heard The Searchers' > Spectorized version of "Each Time"? It ROCKS! Oh I LOVE that version, first time I heard that song - It's hard to believe Pye or (Kapp in the USA) never released it as a single. The Searchers (or Producer Tony Hatch) went through a "Spector" period in 65-66 where they played everything with tons of reverb and valve compressed the final mix to the point of distortion - it sounds great nevertheless. Billy Message: 16 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:04:24 EST From: Brian Chidester Subject: L.A. Spector Lovers > Who besides me lives in LA? I live in the Valley. > Any interest in a Spectropop get together? Very much so. Didn't Spector live behind Ben Franks on the Sunset Strip? It is called Mel's Diner now. I think out of the "American Grafitti"/"Happy Days" nostalgia, more than anything, but that would be a cool place to have some lunch -- at the foot of the old Spector mansion. I'm in. Brian Chidester Message: 17 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 09:29:47 -0500 From: "Vlaovic B" Subject: Sam the Record Man > When other chains such as HMV came in and glossed up > their stores, Sam's stood idly by, figuring they were > the mecca no matter what and it cost them. Their > renovations came too little too late, the e-tailing > for the future was haphazard, and shut down and they > never recovered. Well, yes, but I think in a designer world the shambolic charm of Sams Yonge Street location is one of the reasons it was and remains so special. The hipper than hip HMV store just doesn't stock anywhere close to what Sams had. I liked the fact that the store's interior really hadn't changed in years. Their suburban locations (hell, I'd even say the Yonge-St. Clair location) were just dull, and I'd offer that they dragged the whole chain down. They were not even remotely interesting; but then again that's probably what the suburban crowd is looking for. But the Yonge Street location always seemed to have a lot of turnover of stock, even the obscure stuff. Often I'd pick up what I wanted but see some other htf releases that I'd target to buy on my next trip (say a week or so). I couldn't belive how many times I'd return and they'd be gone! So the obscure stuff was selling too. And as I recall their website was pretty heavily promoted, was very well set up, but just didn't fly. But I don't think that's a unique situation. I'd like to think the Yonge Street store will remain in operation, surely there must be a somewhat larger market out there with the recent demise of Tower Records at Yonge and Queen. (actually Tower would have been my second choice in the city so it too is mourned) Kops & Vortex on Queen is great, but it seems a little daunting; always staffed by 'High Fidelity' types and not encouraging to endless browsing. I like the anonymity of Sams; you can wander for hours and no one really notices, you're just another audio-geek wasting away an afternoon. And as for the cigar smoking clerks, that's one aspect they've left far behind. Now it's a tatooed and pierced crowd behind the counters, who surprisingly are non-judgemental. Example; once sheepishly buying a volume of 'Here Come the Girls' CD, the Gen Y clerk, told me how cool he thought the series was! Amazing, and I expected him to sneer because I wasn't buying something a little more au courant. N Message: 18 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 16:37:32 -0500 From: Warren Cosford Subject: SAM THE RECORD MAN Hi Folks I "run" a number of free subscription information exchange e-mail "Lists" including The Radio Interest List and The Music Interest Lists. We have a few hundred "subscribers" many of whom are Canadian. I lived and worked in Toronto for 17 years and know The Sniderman Family fairly well. I think they would appreciate reading some of the recent posts in Spectropop about "Sam's". I've sent them onto The Lists and encouraged members to write some "eulogies" of their own before next Sunday. I'll post to The Lists on Monday and make sure Sam and Jason receive copies. Cheers Warren Cosford End
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