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Spectropop - Digest Number 280

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There are 12 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 280:

      1. Tim Rose
           From: Will George 
      2. Ain't Love A Funny Thing?
           From: "Don Charles" 
      3. Stickball ?
           From: "Vincent Degiorgio" 
           From: Mick Patrick 
      5. Monkee Si, Monkee Do
           From: LePageWeb 
      6. Ellie Greenwich
           From: "Don Charles" 
      7. Mojo Collections - "Minister of Sound" List
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
      8. Just a Recommendation
           From: James Botticelli 
      9. Re: Washington Square's Johnny Cymbal
           From: James Botticelli 
     10. the look versus the sound
           From: Alan Zweig 
     11. Re:  Wanting to add
           From: Carol Kaye 
           From: Frank 


Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:46:20 EST
   From: Will George 
Subject: Tim Rose

Does anybody know much about Tim Rose, a 60s folk singer?
I played with him in the UK recently. He was very nice and
put on a good show, but I can't say I recognized any of
the songs. The legend is he taught "Hey Joe" to Jimi
Hendrix, but he wouldn't comment on it, just saying, "the
legend is always more interesting than the truth."


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Message: 2
   Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:20:47 +0000
   From: "Don Charles" 
Subject: Ain't Love A Funny Thing?

Mick Patrick wrote:
>"Doo d boppa kow kow kow" - 
> the Jelly Beans' "Ain't Love A Funny Thing"

This song, by the way, was written by Steve Venet,
according to my research. I don't recall ever seeing a
songwriting credit on it.

Don Charles

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Message: 3
   Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:32:44 -0500
   From: "Vincent Degiorgio" 
Subject: Stickball ?

Dear Spectropop...and Carol...

I am wondering if the rumour is true after all these
years that the X-rated pop ditty "Stickball" was
actually recorded by Sonny & Cher's band. A friend of
mine who passed away claimed this was true and that it
was recorded with members of the band ... people may
not even know what it is...was my friend wrong ?


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Message: 4
   Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:42:00 +0000 (GMT)
   From: Mick Patrick 


Peter van Dam enquired:

> Did someone tape the recent documentary on the Brill
> Building writers, as this was only seen on American TV.

The US TV company A & E sell their programmes on DVD and
Video tape, Peter. The "Songmakers" (Brill Building)
series of 5 films is available for sale from the A & E
website www.A& 

My own DVDs arrived this morning (thanks to Jim Fogerty,
what a diamond geezer). Does anyone want to pop 'round
and watch them with me? Let's see...I think an entrance
fee of ?5 sounds quite reasonable. Bring your own popcorn.


PS: I hope the above communication won't cause you to
choke on your breakfast again, Jamie!

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Message: 5
   Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:32:36 +0900
   From: LePageWeb 
Subject: Monkee Si, Monkee Do

Hi Guy,

After I wrote:

> > ...the Monkees caught flak for not playing their
> > instruments around then, but I think the Monkees
> > thing was more because they didn't play at their live
> > shows. 

You replied:

> Monkees certainly DID play their own instruments on
> all their live dates albeit augmented here and there
> and, later on, with a full backing group. If you
> don't believe me ask Rhino Handmade! 

So I did ask Rhino Handmade - who said:

> The Truth is -and always was- that Mike Nesmith,
> Peter Tork and Mickey Dolenz could indeed play their
> own instruments. And even Davy Jones, when needed,
> could be found with a tambourine, or other percussive
> device, joyfully in hand. And although it was Great
> pretend the Pre-Fab Four were only musically
> proficient in Lip-Synching, THE MONKEES 'Summer 1967:
> The Complete US Concert Recordings' should provide
> sufficient insight into a series of their on-stage
> performances to finally dispel that Particular Urban
> Myth.

OK. fine - then suppose the backlash was NOT because
they didn't play live at their shows.

Then where did that "Particular Urban Myth" originate?


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Message: 6
   Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:41:03 +0000
   From: "Don Charles" 
Subject: Ellie Greenwich

I got my copy of the Brill Tone CD BE MY BABY: ELLIE
home and listen to it!  But after having listened to it,
I have to say it leaves much to be desired.

While I'm practically beside myself with joy at hearing
rare Ellie demos like the original "I'll Try Anything"
and "Happy Anniversary," "He's Got Something" and "Time
To Go"(same backing track as Lesley Gore's version!), I
don't think the package measures up as a whole to the
other editions in this series.  Why recycle the contents
of the LET IT BE WRITTEN album again?  That's already
available on an Australian import and (most of it) on
Razor & Tie's ELLIE GREENWICH COLLECTION.  I could have
done without hearing Ellie's background vocals on demos
of songs she didn't write (i.e. "I Have To Laugh" and
"Nobody Thought"), too.  And was it really necessary to
stick Barry Mann's unreleased version of "We Gotta Get
Out Of This Place" on there as a "bonus track"?  That's
not exactly a rarity anymore.

The compilation just wasn't thought out very well -
either that or they couldn't get access to certain things.
What disappointed me most about it was the absence of key
singles like "Baby, I Miss You" b/w "I Don't Wanna Be
Your Baby Any More"(The Popsicles), "Friday Kind Of
Monday" b/w "Right Back Where We Started From"(The
Meantime), "Stop, Look And Listen"(Les Girls), and
Ellie's second single for Bell Records, "(It's Like A)
Sad Old Kinda Movie."  I wish it had been completely
singles and demos-oriented.

How strange that, even though that too-often used shot of
Ellie from the Raindrops' album is on the sleeve, there
are no Raindrops singles on it at all!  There's only a
version of "Isn't That A Love," pre-overdub.  It would've
been nice to hear the monaural versions of "The Kind Of
Boy You Can't Forget," "I Won't Cry" and "Hanky Panky" on
CD.  I thought they'd have at least included the aborted
single "Doo Wah Diddy Diddy!"

Well, here I am complaining about a bootleg . . . I guess
I got what I deserved, right?  By the way, the same day I
got the CD set, I also got a beautiful copy of the German
version of LET IT BE WRITTEN, LET IT BE SUNG which,
unlike the American version, has a gorgeous color shot of
a long-haired Ellie on the front.

Don Charles

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Message: 7
   Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:43:15 -0000
   From: Billy G. Spradlin 
Subject: Mojo Collections - "Minister of Sound" List

MOJO Collections - Autumn 2001 
Inside the Top 50 - "Minster of Sound"

1)   Ronettes - Baby I Love You
2)   Ike & Tina Turner - River Deep, Mountain High
3)   Paris Sisters - I Love How You Love Me
4)   Righteous Brothers - You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'
5)   Righteous Brothers - Just Once In My Life
6)   Lou Christie - If My Car Could Only Talk
7)   Darline Love - Christmas  (Baby Please Come Home)
8)   The Date With Soul - Yes Sir That's My Baby
9)   Ronettes - Do I Love You
10)  Ronettes - Walking In The Rain
11)  Butterflys - I Wonder
12)  Crystals - He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)
13)  Cookies - I Never Dreamed
14)  Ronettes - Be My Baby
15)  Teddy Bears - To Know Him Is To Love Him
16)  The Girls - Chico's Girl
17)  Jerry Gany - Just A Fool
18)  Gene Pitney - Every Breath I Take
19)  Keely Smith - No One Ever Tells You
20)  P.J. Proby - I Cant Make It Alone
21)  Crystals - He's A Rebel
22)  Crystals - Da Doo Ron Ron
23)  Spectors Three - Mr Robin
24)  Alder Ray - Cause I Love Him
25)  Cake - Baby That's Me
26)  Paris Sisters - Yes - I Love You
27)  Samantha Jones - I Deserve It
28)  Nino Tempo & April Stevens - All Strung Out
29)  Bonnie & The Treasures - Home Of The Brave
30)  Harvey And Doc - Oh Baby
31)  Ronettes - (Best Part Of Breakin' Up)
32)  Crystals - There's No Other / Oh Yeah, Maybe Baby
33)  Crystals - Then He Kissed Me
34)  Darlene Love - (Today I Met) The Boy I'm Gonna Marry
35)  Righteous Brothers - Unchained Melody / Hung On You
36)  Righteous Brothers - Ebb Tide
37)  Ducanes - I'm So Happy (Tra La La)
38)  Supremes - Things Are Changing
39)  Ronettes - Born To Be Together
40)  Treasures - Hold Me Tight
41)  Veronica - So Young
42)  Veronica - Why Don't They Let Us Fall In Love
43)  Ike & Tina Turner - I'll Never Need More Than This
44)  Gene Toone & The Blazers -  You're My Baby
45)  Crystals - Uptown
46)  Darline Love - Stumble And Fall
47)  Paris Sisters - He Knows I Love Him Too Much
48)  Ray Peterson - Corinna Corinna 
49)  Bob B. Soxx & The Blue Jeans - Zip A Dee Doo Dah
50)  Kell Osborne - That's Alright Baby

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Message: 8
   Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:46:12 EST
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: Just a Recommendation

David Ponak has been playing tracks from the new Swing
Out Sister recording called "Somewhere Deep In The Night"
on his excellent "Liquid Room" program. I just picked it
up. For fans of beautiful orchestrated pop I cannot
recommend it enough. No wonder it's a Japanese pressing.
For those who remember the group's 8T's output, put it
out of your mind, even though at the time it was
fantastic stuff for the late 8T's. This is the modern
definition of soft pop. Think Sagittarius meets Burt
Bacharach with a June Christy-ish (sorta) female lead


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Message: 9
   Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:38:12 EST
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: Re: Washington Square's Johnny Cymbal

In a message dated 10/30/01, spectropop writes:

> "Washington Square" released on Philips
> BF1585 in 1967. The label credits production on both
> sides by M. Rashkow & J. Cymbal

Two questions: A. Was this the "Washington Square"
recorded as an instrumental in the early Sexxties
featuring a banjo by--if memory serves--The Village
Stompers?  B. Is J. Cymbal in fact Johnny Cymbal,
worbler of the famed "Mr Bass Man"?

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Message: 10
   Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:21:33 -0500
   From: Alan Zweig 
Subject: the look versus the sound

Carol Kaye wrote:

>To compare us as like a film crew, is a disservice but
>I'm not surprised at emphasis was given to
>studio musicians before for good reason:  marketing.

I'm not sure I understand this.  Are you saying that it's
a disservice to compare a session musician's contribution
to that of the camera person, the art director, the
wardrobe, the editor, the second unit director etc?

I certainly didn't mean it as an insult. 

Over the years, certain cinematographers, editors, art
directors etc have become quite well known in their own
right.  And that was because they made such a great
contribution and often even had a signature "look" to
their contributions.

But the public doesn't know about them in general.  Only
the film geeks. In fact, once upon a time the directors
were often unknown. And the writers?  Forget about them.

I think the comparison is apt. But if this comparison
offends a studio musician, then I won't explain again 
why I made the comparison.


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Message: 11
   Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:11:36 -0800
   From: Carol Kaye 
Subject: Re:  Wanting to add

I wanted to add, that altho' most of the time the studio
musicians didn't get credits back in the 1960s, this was
no problem....we knew how hard it was to be a "star" and
we liked being in the background, doing our thing, and
helping to create musically, that's always been the main

The comradeship of the musicians, working for producers,
and with engineers, arrangers, everyone concerned with
the recording industry was a very close relationship back
then....I remember how much fun it was to record at Gold
Star and see (engineer/part-owner of Gold Star) Stan
Ross's face just beam when we were really "on it", on the
hit take, that kind of mood is hard to define and
certainly makes you feel like you've done a good
job....that was the main thing.  We knew if we were good,
the money would come, it was a given.

But we also knew the business could stop at any
minute....the musicians who started in the 1950s and
seeing the whole progression of technical achievements as
well as the different musical styles and sounds.  So we
played hard and did our best.  Having a "name" was
furthest from our minds as long as they knew our

Carol Kaye

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Message: 12
   Date: Wed, 31 Oct 01 08:33:31 +0200
   From: Frank 


Could the air fare to London be deducted from the
entrance fee?

>> Did someone tape the recent documentary on the Brill
>> Building writers, as this was only seen on American TV.
>My own DVDs arrived this morning (thanks to Jim Fogerty,
>what a diamond geezer). Does anyone want to pop 'round
>and watch them with me? Let's see...I think an entrance
>fee of ?5 sounds quite reasonable. Bring your own popcorn.

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