________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Fun and entertainment that every home needs ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 12 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 280: 1. Tim Rose From: Will George 2. Ain't Love A Funny Thing? From: "Don Charles" 3. Stickball ? From: "Vincent Degiorgio" 4. BRILL BUILDING DOCUMENTARIES From: Mick Patrick 5. Monkee Si, Monkee Do From: LePageWeb 6. Ellie Greenwich From: "Don Charles" 7. Mojo Collections - "Minister of Sound" List From: Billy G. Spradlin 8. Just a Recommendation From: James Botticelli 9. Re: Washington Square's Johnny Cymbal From: James Botticelli 10. the look versus the sound From: Alan Zweig 11. Re: Wanting to add From: Carol Kaye 12. Re: BRILL BUILDING DOCUMENTARIES From: Frank ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:46:20 EST From: Will George Subject: Tim Rose Does anybody know much about Tim Rose, a 60s folk singer? I played with him in the UK recently. He was very nice and put on a good show, but I can't say I recognized any of the songs. The legend is he taught "Hey Joe" to Jimi Hendrix, but he wouldn't comment on it, just saying, "the legend is always more interesting than the truth." -WG --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:20:47 +0000 From: "Don Charles" Subject: Ain't Love A Funny Thing? Mick Patrick wrote: > >"Doo d boppa kow kow kow" - > the Jelly Beans' "Ain't Love A Funny Thing" This song, by the way, was written by Steve Venet, according to my research. I don't recall ever seeing a songwriting credit on it. Don Charles --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:32:44 -0500 From: "Vincent Degiorgio" Subject: Stickball ? Dear Spectropop...and Carol... I am wondering if the rumour is true after all these years that the X-rated pop ditty "Stickball" was actually recorded by Sonny & Cher's band. A friend of mine who passed away claimed this was true and that it was recorded with members of the band ... people may not even know what it is...was my friend wrong ? Vincent --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:42:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Mick Patrick Subject: BRILL BUILDING DOCUMENTARIES Greetings, Peter van Dam enquired: > Did someone tape the recent documentary on the Brill > Building writers, as this was only seen on American TV. The US TV company A & E sell their programmes on DVD and Video tape, Peter. The "Songmakers" (Brill Building) series of 5 films is available for sale from the A & E website www.A&E.com My own DVDs arrived this morning (thanks to Jim Fogerty, what a diamond geezer). Does anyone want to pop 'round and watch them with me? Let's see...I think an entrance fee of ?5 sounds quite reasonable. Bring your own popcorn. MICK PATRICK PS: I hope the above communication won't cause you to choke on your breakfast again, Jamie! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:32:36 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: Monkee Si, Monkee Do Hi Guy, After I wrote: > > ...the Monkees caught flak for not playing their > > instruments around then, but I think the Monkees > > thing was more because they didn't play at their live > > shows. You replied: > Monkees certainly DID play their own instruments on > all their live dates albeit augmented here and there > and, later on, with a full backing group. If you > don't believe me ask Rhino Handmade! So I did ask Rhino Handmade - who said: > The Truth is -and always was- that Mike Nesmith, > Peter Tork and Mickey Dolenz could indeed play their > own instruments. And even Davy Jones, when needed, > could be found with a tambourine, or other percussive > device, joyfully in hand. And although it was Great > Fun...to pretend the Pre-Fab Four were only musically > proficient in Lip-Synching, THE MONKEES 'Summer 1967: > The Complete US Concert Recordings' should provide > sufficient insight into a series of their on-stage > performances to finally dispel that Particular Urban > Myth. OK. fine - then suppose the backlash was NOT because they didn't play live at their shows. Then where did that "Particular Urban Myth" originate? Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:41:03 +0000 From: "Don Charles" Subject: Ellie Greenwich I got my copy of the Brill Tone CD BE MY BABY: ELLIE GREENWICH/BRILL BUILDING SOUNDS. Couldn't wait to get home and listen to it! But after having listened to it, I have to say it leaves much to be desired. While I'm practically beside myself with joy at hearing rare Ellie demos like the original "I'll Try Anything" and "Happy Anniversary," "He's Got Something" and "Time To Go"(same backing track as Lesley Gore's version!), I don't think the package measures up as a whole to the other editions in this series. Why recycle the contents of the LET IT BE WRITTEN album again? That's already available on an Australian import and (most of it) on Razor & Tie's ELLIE GREENWICH COLLECTION. I could have done without hearing Ellie's background vocals on demos of songs she didn't write (i.e. "I Have To Laugh" and "Nobody Thought"), too. And was it really necessary to stick Barry Mann's unreleased version of "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place" on there as a "bonus track"? That's not exactly a rarity anymore. The compilation just wasn't thought out very well - either that or they couldn't get access to certain things. What disappointed me most about it was the absence of key singles like "Baby, I Miss You" b/w "I Don't Wanna Be Your Baby Any More"(The Popsicles), "Friday Kind Of Monday" b/w "Right Back Where We Started From"(The Meantime), "Stop, Look And Listen"(Les Girls), and Ellie's second single for Bell Records, "(It's Like A) Sad Old Kinda Movie." I wish it had been completely singles and demos-oriented. How strange that, even though that too-often used shot of Ellie from the Raindrops' album is on the sleeve, there are no Raindrops singles on it at all! There's only a version of "Isn't That A Love," pre-overdub. It would've been nice to hear the monaural versions of "The Kind Of Boy You Can't Forget," "I Won't Cry" and "Hanky Panky" on CD. I thought they'd have at least included the aborted single "Doo Wah Diddy Diddy!" Well, here I am complaining about a bootleg . . . I guess I got what I deserved, right? By the way, the same day I got the CD set, I also got a beautiful copy of the German version of LET IT BE WRITTEN, LET IT BE SUNG which, unlike the American version, has a gorgeous color shot of a long-haired Ellie on the front. Don Charles --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:43:15 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Mojo Collections - "Minister of Sound" List MOJO Collections - Autumn 2001 Inside the Top 50 - "Minster of Sound" 1) Ronettes - Baby I Love You 2) Ike & Tina Turner - River Deep, Mountain High 3) Paris Sisters - I Love How You Love Me 4) Righteous Brothers - You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' 5) Righteous Brothers - Just Once In My Life 6) Lou Christie - If My Car Could Only Talk 7) Darline Love - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) 8) The Date With Soul - Yes Sir That's My Baby 9) Ronettes - Do I Love You 10) Ronettes - Walking In The Rain 11) Butterflys - I Wonder 12) Crystals - He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss) 13) Cookies - I Never Dreamed 14) Ronettes - Be My Baby 15) Teddy Bears - To Know Him Is To Love Him 16) The Girls - Chico's Girl 17) Jerry Gany - Just A Fool 18) Gene Pitney - Every Breath I Take 19) Keely Smith - No One Ever Tells You 20) P.J. Proby - I Cant Make It Alone 21) Crystals - He's A Rebel 22) Crystals - Da Doo Ron Ron 23) Spectors Three - Mr Robin 24) Alder Ray - Cause I Love Him 25) Cake - Baby That's Me 26) Paris Sisters - Yes - I Love You 27) Samantha Jones - I Deserve It 28) Nino Tempo & April Stevens - All Strung Out 29) Bonnie & The Treasures - Home Of The Brave 30) Harvey And Doc - Oh Baby 31) Ronettes - (Best Part Of Breakin' Up) 32) Crystals - There's No Other / Oh Yeah, Maybe Baby 33) Crystals - Then He Kissed Me 34) Darlene Love - (Today I Met) The Boy I'm Gonna Marry 35) Righteous Brothers - Unchained Melody / Hung On You 36) Righteous Brothers - Ebb Tide 37) Ducanes - I'm So Happy (Tra La La) 38) Supremes - Things Are Changing 39) Ronettes - Born To Be Together 40) Treasures - Hold Me Tight 41) Veronica - So Young 42) Veronica - Why Don't They Let Us Fall In Love 43) Ike & Tina Turner - I'll Never Need More Than This 44) Gene Toone & The Blazers - You're My Baby 45) Crystals - Uptown 46) Darline Love - Stumble And Fall 47) Paris Sisters - He Knows I Love Him Too Much 48) Ray Peterson - Corinna Corinna 49) Bob B. Soxx & The Blue Jeans - Zip A Dee Doo Dah 50) Kell Osborne - That's Alright Baby --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:46:12 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: Just a Recommendation David Ponak has been playing tracks from the new Swing Out Sister recording called "Somewhere Deep In The Night" on his excellent "Liquid Room" program. I just picked it up. For fans of beautiful orchestrated pop I cannot recommend it enough. No wonder it's a Japanese pressing. For those who remember the group's 8T's output, put it out of your mind, even though at the time it was fantastic stuff for the late 8T's. This is the modern definition of soft pop. Think Sagittarius meets Burt Bacharach with a June Christy-ish (sorta) female lead vocal.... JB [Admin Note: For more on this album, read the previous comments in Spectropop here: http://www.spectropop.com_archive/digest/m663.html and here http://www.spectropop.com_archive/digest/m668.html ] --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:38:12 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Washington Square's Johnny Cymbal In a message dated 10/30/01, spectropop writes: > "Washington Square" released on Philips > BF1585 in 1967. The label credits production on both > sides by M. Rashkow & J. Cymbal Two questions: A. Was this the "Washington Square" recorded as an instrumental in the early Sexxties featuring a banjo by--if memory serves--The Village Stompers? B. Is J. Cymbal in fact Johnny Cymbal, worbler of the famed "Mr Bass Man"? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:21:33 -0500 From: Alan Zweig Subject: the look versus the sound Carol Kaye wrote: > >To compare us as like a film crew, is a disservice but >I'm not surprised at this.....no emphasis was given to >studio musicians before for good reason: marketing. I'm not sure I understand this. Are you saying that it's a disservice to compare a session musician's contribution to that of the camera person, the art director, the wardrobe, the editor, the second unit director etc? I certainly didn't mean it as an insult. Over the years, certain cinematographers, editors, art directors etc have become quite well known in their own right. And that was because they made such a great contribution and often even had a signature "look" to their contributions. But the public doesn't know about them in general. Only the film geeks. In fact, once upon a time the directors were often unknown. And the writers? Forget about them. I think the comparison is apt. But if this comparison offends a studio musician, then I won't explain again why I made the comparison. AZ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:11:36 -0800 From: Carol Kaye Subject: Re: Wanting to add I wanted to add, that altho' most of the time the studio musicians didn't get credits back in the 1960s, this was no problem....we knew how hard it was to be a "star" and we liked being in the background, doing our thing, and helping to create musically, that's always been the main thing. The comradeship of the musicians, working for producers, and with engineers, arrangers, everyone concerned with the recording industry was a very close relationship back then....I remember how much fun it was to record at Gold Star and see (engineer/part-owner of Gold Star) Stan Ross's face just beam when we were really "on it", on the hit take, that kind of mood is hard to define and certainly makes you feel like you've done a good job....that was the main thing. We knew if we were good, the money would come, it was a given. But we also knew the business could stop at any minute....the musicians who started in the 1950s and seeing the whole progression of technical achievements as well as the different musical styles and sounds. So we played hard and did our best. Having a "name" was furthest from our minds as long as they knew our musicianship. Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 01 08:33:31 +0200 From: Frank Subject: Re: BRILL BUILDING DOCUMENTARIES Mick, Could the air fare to London be deducted from the entrance fee? Frank > >> Did someone tape the recent documentary on the Brill >> Building writers, as this was only seen on American TV. > >My own DVDs arrived this morning (thanks to Jim Fogerty, >what a diamond geezer). Does anyone want to pop 'round >and watch them with me? Let's see...I think an entrance >fee of ?5 sounds quite reasonable. Bring your own popcorn. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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