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There are 20 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 275:

      1. Overlanders label mates
           From: "Kingsley Abbott" 
      2. Re: Pandora's Golden Heeebie Jeebies
           From: Bob Hanes 
      3. Re: Call Me etc.
           From: Carol Kaye 
      4. Re:  The Goodies
           From: LePageWeb 
      5. '66 soft-psych
           From: "Joseph Scott" 
      6. SNUFF, TRIVIA AND STUFF
           From: "Warren Cosford" 
      7. Re Tradewinds
           From: Richard Havers 
      8. Diamonds In The Rough?
           From: James Botticelli 
      9. Re: Yes Sir, That's My Baby
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
     10. Buddy Holl(e)y
           From: Andrew Hickey 
     11. The party starts at nine, but where is it?
           From: "Spector Collector" 
     12. Re: SNUFF, TRIVIA AND STUFF
           From: Andrew Hickey 
     13. Re:  The Goodies
           From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
     14. Re: 271 & 272
           From: "Paul Payton" 
     15. Sunshine Company - Think/For Singles Only
           From: Matthew David 
     16. Hale & etc., George McCannon>WDRC, Nashville
           From: "Paul Payton" 
     17. New Mp3's Posted
           From: Billy Spradlin
     18. Carole King on NPR's "Weekend Edition" Sunday, October 21st
           From: LePageWeb 
     19. If it's Tuesday it must be Belgium!
           From: "Keith Beach" 
     20. Re: A fine fine group
           From: "Vlaovic B" 


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Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:03:27 +0100
   From: "Kingsley Abbott" 
Subject: Overlanders label mates

Just thought the group would be interested to know that,
along with the mid-price Overlanders new release, there
are three others in the "Ripples presents..." series: 
The Bystanders "Pattern People" (pre-Man Welsh harmony
pop with seven previously unissued tracks), Jefferson
"The colour Of My Love" (solo pop-harmony from Rockin'
Berries frontman, includes the lovely cover of Love
Generation's soft rock "Montage") and The Freshmen "When
Summer Comes"  (Irish Beach Boys/Beatles influenced act
- great covers and originals). All are out in the UK on
the Sanctuary label.  Of all the four I have to say that
the Overlanders doesn't exactly ring my chimes either...
And so to bed...

Kingsley Abbott

PS Listen out for an interesting CD out of Germany by a
British guy and friends: Modesty Blaise "Melancholia"
(Apricot Records) - with titles like "Gregory Fell Into
His French Horn" and "Carol Mountain" you might guess
there are some Beach Boy/Brian Wilson influences, but
much more besides.  Interesting!


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Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:41:18 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Bob Hanes 
Subject: Re: Pandora's Golden Heeebie Jeebies

Jules Alexander, of the Association wrote the song.  A
very eclectic kind of guy.  The single, and the second
Association album were issued on the Valiant label, (as
was ...along comes the Association) so I just sort of
assumed that Boettcher was the producer.  I am too lazy
to go up stairs and dig out the album, right now, but
I'll check the credits later.  Instinct, tells me that at
least part of the second album was recorded at the same
time as the first.  By the time Windy came out, on Warner
Bros, Jules was gone, and Larry Ramos, of the New Christy
Minstrels and previously of the Travelers Three (Elektra
and Vanguard records & the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity
at the Univ. of Oregon) had replaced Jules.  At least in
the touring band.   I think Jules may have continued
recording with the group, but I don't remember, for sure.

The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, The Church of
the Harmonic Overdub


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Message: 3
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:51:45 -0700
   From: Carol Kaye 
Subject: Re: Call Me etc.

> There was a Chris Montez B-side produced by Marshall
> Lieb, "Go Head On."  Chris wrote it and it was the
> flip to "Call Me."  Were you playing guitar on it?

Hmmm, didn't know I worked for Marshall later on like
that....I played bass on "Call Me" so am sure I played
bass on its flip side too. Marshall was good to work for,
and sometimes yes, you don't remember who produced some
of those hits, but being a songwriter, you do remember
the song a lot *unless it was one of those surf-things
or other mechanical things, sorry, have to tell it like
it is, some tunes are memorable, others are not)....and
especially remember Chris, who has been over here to the
house to "jam some jazz", good guy, good musician.

> on the group The Goodies? In particular the song Dum
> Dum Ditty.

Hmm....sort of remember that title, could be.  We did a
ton of groups in those years, one right after the other
so much I just put "group" in my log sometimes, not the
name of the group.  We'll have to wait for Russ
Wapensky's studio musician credits book on that one. 
He's working right now on the war effort for awhile
(government things).

Carol Kaye   http://www.carolkaye.com/


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Message: 4
   Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 06:52:12 +0900
   From: LePageWeb 
Subject: Re:  The Goodies

Mark Tilley wrote:

> Does anybody have any info on the group The Goodies?
> In particular the song Dum Dum Ditty. I'm curious to
> know who the lead singer was and who played drums. I'm
> betting on Hal Blaine. It sounds like his style.

Hi Mark - Yes, it does sound like Blaine's style, but it
sounds to me like someone affecting that style. I think
the heads were tuned tighter than Blaine's typically were
and the drummer's touch was lighter and sounds more
closely miked.

This is an East Coast session to be sure - produced by
Shadow Morton. I don't know much about the group, except
that Shadow Morton claims he discovered them and that they
almost recorded Leader of the Pack with them instead of
with Shangri-Las.

Dum Dum Ditty is a great fave around here. Check the
group archives for a number of messages on this fabulous
track. I think there is even an alternate mix of the song
floating around somewhere too.

Jamie


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Message: 5
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:22:25 -0600
   From: "Joseph Scott" 
Subject: '66 soft-psych

Hi Jason and all,

Interesting point about the WCPAEB's "I Won't Hurt You"
-- I hadn't bothered to listen to its lyrics properly
until just now, but it is "Steve's Song"-like in that it
combines the new surreal lyrics (which Dylan was a huge
influence on) with the new surreal sounds (which Dylan
wasn't into). Carol, I forget if you and I have ever
talked about the WCPAEB, but that was Mike Lloyd's band
before he became an executive. He's another example of
someone who didn't use the drugs, but did play in the
general "freak" style right when it was first becoming
popular.

Re the Fugs, I screwed up in writing "Dance Of The
Freak-Gropers," which isn't soft -- that should have
read "The Theme Of The Virgin Forest."

Hmm, the label of "The Electric Tomorrow" by the
Electric Tomorrow says it was produced by Jack Millman
(presumably the L.A.-based jazz trumpeter) and "B. Elder,"
and written by Clem Floyd (presumably the L.A.-based
musician who was friends with David Crosby) and Millman.

The original "My World Fell Down" would sort of qualify
as '66 soft-psych too. Or at least maybe we could all
agree that it's fantastic.

Would anything on Tim Buckley's first album qualify as
soft-psych? IIRC it's kind of similar to Gene Clark's
'66 album, in which case it would be borderline
psych-wise I guess (but I may well not RC).

There's a Marianne Faithfull one too, '66, written for
her by Donovan, great surreal lyrics, can't remember the
title right now.


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Message: 6
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:35:43 -0400
   From: "Warren Cosford" 
Subject: SNUFF, TRIVIA AND STUFF

Hi All:

First of all.....I'm blushing.  Getting Snuff confused
with Richard is either old age or perhaps early signs
of Alzheimer's.

Second....I put yesterday's Trivia Question...." Who is
the only person to be inducted into the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame, the Country Music Hall of Fame and the
Songwriters Hall of Fame"?....out to a couple of Radio
and Music Lists I moderate.  It got a lot of response. 
Guesses included:
 
Johnny Cash
Carl Perkins
Kris Kristofferson
Debbie Boone!?
Willie Nelson
Hank Williams
Jack Scott
Woody Guthrie
Buddy Holly
Conway Twitty
Bobby Darin
Dolly Parton'
Neil Diamond
Bob Dylan
Jimmie Rodgers

Then a couple of people started doing some Research.

> Warren:
> 
> Three performers - Johnny Cash, Jimmie Rodgers and Hank
> Williams, Sr. are in the Rock 'N' Roll, Country and
> Songwriters Hall of Fame.  A check of the respective web
> sites for these Halls confirms this.
> 
> Dale
> 
> Rock Radio Scrapbook www.rockradioscrapbook.com

To which someone else replied.....

> Johnny Cash is not in the Songwriters Hall of Fame 
> http://www.yap.cat.nyu.edu/SWHOF/default.asp?name=swlist


> but in the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame. So Johnny
> Cash is not a correct answer.
> 
> dkp

So.....what is the correct answer?!

WC


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Message: 7
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:52:50 +0100
   From: Richard Havers 
Subject: Re Tradewinds

Kingsley

You asked

> Surely the great "Club Seventeen" was the B-side of
> "New York's a Lonely Town". wasn't it??  Wasn't "The
> Party Starts At Nine" out with "Summertime girl"?  Or
> did US/UK issues vary

......and you are correct, they were the US b sides!!

Best wishes

Richard


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Message: 8
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:42:13 EDT
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: Diamonds In The Rough?

In a message dated 10/24/01, Spectropop writes:

> all of the Diamonds' biggest hit singles were
> poached from black artists. 


Who did they steal "Walkin' Along" from?


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Message: 9
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:18:06 -0000
   From: Billy G. Spradlin 
Subject: Re: Yes Sir, That's My Baby

> Sounds like an interesting track - it's placed as 8th
> best Spector-sound single in the mag's list...

Is there any way you can print out that list? Im
having trouble finding "Mojo Collections" in my area.


Thanks,
Billy


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Message: 10
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:20:27 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Andrew Hickey 
Subject: Buddy Holl(e)y

> but the Diamonds appear to be the only act to have a
> hit with "Words...," and the first to get any Holly
> song (mis-spelled 'Buddy Holley' on the Mercury label)
> onto pop radio.

Not actually a misspelling - his surname was Holley,
and that's how it was spelled on his gravestone. The
'Holly' Spelling was IIRC a misprint on early records
that was allowed to stand.

=====
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- Dave Manning, Ridgefield Press


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Message: 11
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:18:37 +0000
   From: "Spector Collector" 
Subject: The party starts at nine, but where is it?

Kingsley, you busted me, and never again will I rely on
my memory (this isn't the first time it's gotten me in
trouble here). You're right, of course: The Trade Winds'
"The Party Starts at Nine" is indeed the flip side of
"Summertime Girl," not "New York's a Lonely Town," as I'd
stated. Sorry!

David A. Young


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Message: 12
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:59:32 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Andrew Hickey 
Subject: Re: SNUFF, TRIVIA AND STUFF

> Guesses included:
>  
> Johnny Cash
> Carl Perkins
> Kris Kristofferson
> Debbie Boone!?
> Willie Nelson
> Hank Williams
> Jack Scott
> Woody Guthrie
> Buddy Holly
> Conway Twitty
> Bobby Darin
> Dolly Parton'
> Neil Diamond
> Bob Dylan
> Jimmie Rodgers

I'm very surprised no-one guesed Jimmy Webb, and I'd
be even more surprised if he wasn't in all three Halls
of Fame...


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Message: 13
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:03:00 -0700
   From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
Subject: Re:  The Goodies

"LePageWeb" wrote:

> > In particular the song Dum Dum Ditty. I'm curious to
> > know who the lead singer was and who played drums. I'm
> > betting on Hal Blaine. It sounds like his style.
>
> Hi Mark - Yes, it does sound like Blaine's style, but it
> sounds to me like someone affecting that style. I think
> the heads were tuned tighter than Blaine's typically were
> and the drummer's touch was lighter and sounds more
> closely miked.

Guys and girls....as a drummer myself, Ive followed the
styles of many of the 60s drummer. The drummer on Dum Dum
Ditty, is to my ears, NOT Hal Blaine, but Gary Chester.
The drumming here is similar to many of the records Gary
plays on.

Could be wrong, but thats my 2 cents.

Mikey


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Message: 14
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:49:42 -0400
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Re: 271 & 272

Hi,

I'm a coupla days late to the party - been away and going
again, so here's a bit of catch-up.

>From Digest 271:

To Stewart Mason, thanks for the wonderful
Pitney/Sommerville/Chiffons revue - you put me right in
the hall with you. By the way, I've always felt that if
it's the real lead voice and a back-up group that sounds
like the original, I'll be happy. It's hard to find
groups with most living members who still talk to each
other! So I guess that's as much of the Chiffons as
anyone will get! (They didn't dare try "Nobody Knows
What's Goin' On (In My Mind But Me)," did they?)

To Billy: will check out the Varese Sarabande
Jan&Dean/Arnie set. Sounds great!

>From Digest 272:

Thanks to all for the xlnt Anders & Poncia info. Another
dimension to explore more deeply....

Personal thanks to all who contacted me off list
regarding the Teddy Bears CD. If I haven't been yet, I'll
be in contact soon.`

Quick editorial: to Joseph Scott & others, I agree, soft
and psychedelic can go together very well. Same with pop
and psych. Frankly, back in those trippin' days, I could
get off more deeply into some of the best pop production
and vocals than into some screaming guitar ego
pyrotechnics or a cheesy Farfisa - in fact, while at
certain times that organ sound was pretty cool, usually
it got annoying real fast! The Association's "Pandora's..."
has always been a fave; two other incredibly trippy
tracks are the Curt Boettcher-produced "It's Now Winter's
Day" with Tommy Roe (!) and the Monkee's wonderful
"Porpoise Song." And then there are some of the Beach
Boys tracks.... (Take THAT, ye "purists"!!)

Peter Van Dam: photos in the Spector section now number
eleven. Some real treats there!

Hopefully, more later....

Country Paul (as distinguished fro the other Paul - who
I'm sure is very distinguished!)


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Message: 15
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:36:06 EDT
   From: Matthew David 
Subject: Sunshine Company - Think/For Singles Only

Thank you Kingsley for your comments regarding the Revola
release.

Does anyone out there have any information on a 4th
Sunshine Company LP?  THINK (Imperial LP-12425) was
scheduled to be released in 1968, but it never came out.

I am also curious about Sunshine Company's involvement
with a 1968 film called FOR SINGLES ONLY.  The band is
listed as appearing, but I don't remember seeing them in
the film.  I'm guessing they performed the song being
played during the opening credits (probably also called
"For Singles Only").  Anyone know for sure?

Matthew David


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Message: 16
   Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:19:39 -0400
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Hale & etc., George McCannon>WDRC, Nashville

If I'm not mistaken, Hale & The Hushabyes was the
original artist name. I have -r had - it on an Apogee DJ
45. It is TOTALLY Spectorian! A Date With Soul was the
reissue name. Thanks!

Bob, George McCannon III was from Hartford, CT, and last
I heard was still doing clubs and oldies shows. He was
championed by WDRC in Hartford, an astonishing Top 40
station that broke many records far ahead of the rest of
the country (i.e. The Box Tops' "The Letter" was #1 in
Hartford before the rest of the world knew it existed).
WDRC was run and staffed by people who loved both Radio
and Music, and it showed with as great as a 50% share of
audience on some shifts!! They also nourished a strong
local music scene, with an entire catalog of hits by
local artists, most notably The Wildweeds ("No Good To
Cry," "I Must Be Dreaming," and the exquisite "And When
She Smiles"), early successes including doo-wop by Gene
Pitney, and the Blue Beats ("Extra Girl"). McCannon's
"Seven Million People" (on Tower) was a huge Hartford hit
- and also in Buffalo, NY, where the incredibly-talented
DJ, Joey Reynolds went and made it a hit between stints
in Hartford. (Radio fans: one of most detailed and loving
radio station tribute sites exists for WDRC at
www.wdrcobg.com. Ego trip: a 45-second clip of one of my
old airchecks resides there, too!)

Will wrote: 
> I just finished watching ... the Bravo channel
> Popular Song: Soundtrack of the Century. It was all
> about the Brill Building writers....

Sounds phenomenal; thanks for the heads-up.

Nick wrote: 
> ...Buzz Cason (the writer of Everlasting Love) aka Gary
> Miles, doing 'Look for a Star'

Wow! I didn't know that! So who was Garry MILLS, who also
had a hit record with the same song? And is Ray Peterson
still recording? To use your phrase, his "The Wonder of
You" sucked the air out of Elvis' overaccellerated
version. (I'm sure I'll get a bit of flak here, but I
stand by it.)

And if you're going to do a Nashville compilation, go
for the Newbeats' obscure but wonderful semi-hit, "Shake
Hands and Come Out Crying." Nashville-Britpop - it roars!
Just found a copy after 30 years of looking!

Re: The Diamonds' original songs: Wasn't "She Say" also
original to them so they could show off the amazing bass
singer? It's slick, but it rocks.

I love this group! Thanks, all!

Paul


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Message: 17
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:31:05 -0000
   From: Billy Spradlin
Subject: New Mp3's

Just a quick note, [you should listen to] Dave Edmunds
version of "London's A Lonely Town", and since there's
been talk about Gary Lewis & The Playboys, a not-on-CD
favorite from his 1967 Liberty album "Listen!" called
"Happiness" which was arranged by Jack Nitzsche. The Bass
playing sounds a lot like Carol (or could it been Joe
Osborne who played on "Girls In Love" --- Carol?).

BTW: Gary's 1967 albums "Listen!" and "New Directions"
are well worth picking up if you can get around the
shortcomings of Gary's voice with great songs and huge
production numbers, and far better than the 2-3 hits and
covers formula of his earlier 1964-66 Liberty albums. I
have no idea why they weren't hits.

Billy


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Message: 18
   Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:24:45 +0900
   From: LePageWeb 
Subject: Carole King on NPR's "Weekend Edition" Sunday, October 21st

October 21st? Now you tell me.

It's OK, you can still hear it on line at

http://www.npr.org/programs/wesun/features/2001/oct/011020.caroleking.html


If you have 15 minutes and RealPlayer, check it out.
She's basically plugging her new album, and Carole is as
sharp and charming as one can imagine, even though she
doesn't talk about Brill in any great detail. Except
when host Liane Hansen refers to "Oh, No Not My Baby" as
something Carole wrote in the Brill Building - Then,
Carole insists "I was in the NOT Brill Building!" to
which the slightly flustered Liane replies "You know,
it's interesting they call that period now the Brill
Building, I mean, even people who weren't in there but
it was at that time...") Great segue,  Liane! Carole
reveals that the new recording of that song from her new
album was a DAT of a one-off live performance done at
the end of one of the sessions. It is really fantastic,
by the way.

Besides, it's worth it just to hear how Carole, who was
in Washington, D.C. to meet with members of Congress,
ended up getting exposed to anthrax!!

Jamie


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Message: 19
   Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:51:42 +0100
   From: "Keith Beach" 
Subject: If it's Tuesday it must be Belgium!

A Canadian friend of mine has a day in Belgium in
November, and would like to trawl through some Oldies
Record Stores. Can anyone recommend any addresses for a
vinyl junkie?

I think we should get him to buy us all a copy of the
Brill Tone 'Ellie Greenwich' CD, don't you? So that'll be
500 copies then...

Thanks 
Keith Beach


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Message: 20
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:22:43 -0400
   From: "Vlaovic B" 
Subject: Re: A fine fine group

And to add....A fine, fine, superfine group!

>Subject: Spectropop - A fine fine group
>Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:09:31 -0000
>
>Congratulations to our hard-working moderators-
>membership has now officially reached 500! Keep it up.


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