________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 20 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 275: 1. Overlanders label mates From: "Kingsley Abbott" 2. Re: Pandora's Golden Heeebie Jeebies From: Bob Hanes 3. Re: Call Me etc. From: Carol Kaye 4. Re: The Goodies From: LePageWeb 5. '66 soft-psych From: "Joseph Scott" 6. SNUFF, TRIVIA AND STUFF From: "Warren Cosford" 7. Re Tradewinds From: Richard Havers 8. Diamonds In The Rough? From: James Botticelli 9. Re: Yes Sir, That's My Baby From: Billy G. Spradlin 10. Buddy Holl(e)y From: Andrew Hickey 11. The party starts at nine, but where is it? From: "Spector Collector" 12. Re: SNUFF, TRIVIA AND STUFF From: Andrew Hickey 13. Re: The Goodies From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 14. Re: 271 & 272 From: "Paul Payton" 15. Sunshine Company - Think/For Singles Only From: Matthew David 16. Hale & etc., George McCannon>WDRC, Nashville From: "Paul Payton" 17. New Mp3's Posted From: Billy Spradlin 18. Carole King on NPR's "Weekend Edition" Sunday, October 21st From: LePageWeb 19. If it's Tuesday it must be Belgium! From: "Keith Beach" 20. Re: A fine fine group From: "Vlaovic B" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:03:27 +0100 From: "Kingsley Abbott" Subject: Overlanders label mates Just thought the group would be interested to know that, along with the mid-price Overlanders new release, there are three others in the "Ripples presents..." series: The Bystanders "Pattern People" (pre-Man Welsh harmony pop with seven previously unissued tracks), Jefferson "The colour Of My Love" (solo pop-harmony from Rockin' Berries frontman, includes the lovely cover of Love Generation's soft rock "Montage") and The Freshmen "When Summer Comes" (Irish Beach Boys/Beatles influenced act - great covers and originals). All are out in the UK on the Sanctuary label. Of all the four I have to say that the Overlanders doesn't exactly ring my chimes either... And so to bed... Kingsley Abbott PS Listen out for an interesting CD out of Germany by a British guy and friends: Modesty Blaise "Melancholia" (Apricot Records) - with titles like "Gregory Fell Into His French Horn" and "Carol Mountain" you might guess there are some Beach Boy/Brian Wilson influences, but much more besides. Interesting! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:41:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hanes Subject: Re: Pandora's Golden Heeebie Jeebies Jules Alexander, of the Association wrote the song. A very eclectic kind of guy. The single, and the second Association album were issued on the Valiant label, (as was ...along comes the Association) so I just sort of assumed that Boettcher was the producer. I am too lazy to go up stairs and dig out the album, right now, but I'll check the credits later. Instinct, tells me that at least part of the second album was recorded at the same time as the first. By the time Windy came out, on Warner Bros, Jules was gone, and Larry Ramos, of the New Christy Minstrels and previously of the Travelers Three (Elektra and Vanguard records & the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity at the Univ. of Oregon) had replaced Jules. At least in the touring band. I think Jules may have continued recording with the group, but I don't remember, for sure. The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, The Church of the Harmonic Overdub --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:51:45 -0700 From: Carol Kaye Subject: Re: Call Me etc. > There was a Chris Montez B-side produced by Marshall > Lieb, "Go Head On." Chris wrote it and it was the > flip to "Call Me." Were you playing guitar on it? Hmmm, didn't know I worked for Marshall later on like that....I played bass on "Call Me" so am sure I played bass on its flip side too. Marshall was good to work for, and sometimes yes, you don't remember who produced some of those hits, but being a songwriter, you do remember the song a lot *unless it was one of those surf-things or other mechanical things, sorry, have to tell it like it is, some tunes are memorable, others are not)....and especially remember Chris, who has been over here to the house to "jam some jazz", good guy, good musician. > on the group The Goodies? In particular the song Dum > Dum Ditty. Hmm....sort of remember that title, could be. We did a ton of groups in those years, one right after the other so much I just put "group" in my log sometimes, not the name of the group. We'll have to wait for Russ Wapensky's studio musician credits book on that one. He's working right now on the war effort for awhile (government things). Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 06:52:12 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: Re: The Goodies Mark Tilley wrote: > Does anybody have any info on the group The Goodies? > In particular the song Dum Dum Ditty. I'm curious to > know who the lead singer was and who played drums. I'm > betting on Hal Blaine. It sounds like his style. Hi Mark - Yes, it does sound like Blaine's style, but it sounds to me like someone affecting that style. I think the heads were tuned tighter than Blaine's typically were and the drummer's touch was lighter and sounds more closely miked. This is an East Coast session to be sure - produced by Shadow Morton. I don't know much about the group, except that Shadow Morton claims he discovered them and that they almost recorded Leader of the Pack with them instead of with Shangri-Las. Dum Dum Ditty is a great fave around here. Check the group archives for a number of messages on this fabulous track. I think there is even an alternate mix of the song floating around somewhere too. Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:22:25 -0600 From: "Joseph Scott" Subject: '66 soft-psych Hi Jason and all, Interesting point about the WCPAEB's "I Won't Hurt You" -- I hadn't bothered to listen to its lyrics properly until just now, but it is "Steve's Song"-like in that it combines the new surreal lyrics (which Dylan was a huge influence on) with the new surreal sounds (which Dylan wasn't into). Carol, I forget if you and I have ever talked about the WCPAEB, but that was Mike Lloyd's band before he became an executive. He's another example of someone who didn't use the drugs, but did play in the general "freak" style right when it was first becoming popular. Re the Fugs, I screwed up in writing "Dance Of The Freak-Gropers," which isn't soft -- that should have read "The Theme Of The Virgin Forest." Hmm, the label of "The Electric Tomorrow" by the Electric Tomorrow says it was produced by Jack Millman (presumably the L.A.-based jazz trumpeter) and "B. Elder," and written by Clem Floyd (presumably the L.A.-based musician who was friends with David Crosby) and Millman. The original "My World Fell Down" would sort of qualify as '66 soft-psych too. Or at least maybe we could all agree that it's fantastic. Would anything on Tim Buckley's first album qualify as soft-psych? IIRC it's kind of similar to Gene Clark's '66 album, in which case it would be borderline psych-wise I guess (but I may well not RC). There's a Marianne Faithfull one too, '66, written for her by Donovan, great surreal lyrics, can't remember the title right now. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:35:43 -0400 From: "Warren Cosford" Subject: SNUFF, TRIVIA AND STUFF Hi All: First of all.....I'm blushing. Getting Snuff confused with Richard is either old age or perhaps early signs of Alzheimer's. Second....I put yesterday's Trivia Question...." Who is the only person to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the Country Music Hall of Fame and the Songwriters Hall of Fame"?....out to a couple of Radio and Music Lists I moderate. It got a lot of response. Guesses included: Johnny Cash Carl Perkins Kris Kristofferson Debbie Boone!? Willie Nelson Hank Williams Jack Scott Woody Guthrie Buddy Holly Conway Twitty Bobby Darin Dolly Parton' Neil Diamond Bob Dylan Jimmie Rodgers Then a couple of people started doing some Research. > Warren: > > Three performers - Johnny Cash, Jimmie Rodgers and Hank > Williams, Sr. are in the Rock 'N' Roll, Country and > Songwriters Hall of Fame. A check of the respective web > sites for these Halls confirms this. > > Dale > > Rock Radio Scrapbook www.rockradioscrapbook.com To which someone else replied..... > Johnny Cash is not in the Songwriters Hall of Fame > http://www.yap.cat.nyu.edu/SWHOF/default.asp?name=swlist > but in the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame. So Johnny > Cash is not a correct answer. > > dkp So.....what is the correct answer?! WC --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:52:50 +0100 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re Tradewinds Kingsley You asked > Surely the great "Club Seventeen" was the B-side of > "New York's a Lonely Town". wasn't it?? Wasn't "The > Party Starts At Nine" out with "Summertime girl"? Or > did US/UK issues vary ......and you are correct, they were the US b sides!! Best wishes Richard --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:42:13 EDT From: James Botticelli Subject: Diamonds In The Rough? In a message dated 10/24/01, Spectropop writes: > all of the Diamonds' biggest hit singles were > poached from black artists. Who did they steal "Walkin' Along" from? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:18:06 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: Yes Sir, That's My Baby > Sounds like an interesting track - it's placed as 8th > best Spector-sound single in the mag's list... Is there any way you can print out that list? Im having trouble finding "Mojo Collections" in my area. Thanks, Billy --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Hickey Subject: Buddy Holl(e)y > but the Diamonds appear to be the only act to have a > hit with "Words...," and the first to get any Holly > song (mis-spelled 'Buddy Holley' on the Mercury label) > onto pop radio. Not actually a misspelling - his surname was Holley, and that's how it was spelled on his gravestone. The 'Holly' Spelling was IIRC a misprint on early records that was allowed to stand. ===== Buy Cat Satisfaction Survey NOW - http://ampcast.com/stealthmunchkin "Better than Looking Back With Love" - Dave Manning, Ridgefield Press --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:18:37 +0000 From: "Spector Collector" Subject: The party starts at nine, but where is it? Kingsley, you busted me, and never again will I rely on my memory (this isn't the first time it's gotten me in trouble here). You're right, of course: The Trade Winds' "The Party Starts at Nine" is indeed the flip side of "Summertime Girl," not "New York's a Lonely Town," as I'd stated. Sorry! David A. Young --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:59:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Hickey Subject: Re: SNUFF, TRIVIA AND STUFF > Guesses included: > > Johnny Cash > Carl Perkins > Kris Kristofferson > Debbie Boone!? > Willie Nelson > Hank Williams > Jack Scott > Woody Guthrie > Buddy Holly > Conway Twitty > Bobby Darin > Dolly Parton' > Neil Diamond > Bob Dylan > Jimmie Rodgers I'm very surprised no-one guesed Jimmy Webb, and I'd be even more surprised if he wasn't in all three Halls of Fame... --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:03:00 -0700 From: "Mike Arcidiacono" Subject: Re: The Goodies "LePageWeb" wrote: > > In particular the song Dum Dum Ditty. I'm curious to > > know who the lead singer was and who played drums. I'm > > betting on Hal Blaine. It sounds like his style. > > Hi Mark - Yes, it does sound like Blaine's style, but it > sounds to me like someone affecting that style. I think > the heads were tuned tighter than Blaine's typically were > and the drummer's touch was lighter and sounds more > closely miked. Guys and girls....as a drummer myself, Ive followed the styles of many of the 60s drummer. The drummer on Dum Dum Ditty, is to my ears, NOT Hal Blaine, but Gary Chester. The drumming here is similar to many of the records Gary plays on. Could be wrong, but thats my 2 cents. Mikey --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 14 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:49:42 -0400 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Re: 271 & 272 Hi, I'm a coupla days late to the party - been away and going again, so here's a bit of catch-up. >From Digest 271: To Stewart Mason, thanks for the wonderful Pitney/Sommerville/Chiffons revue - you put me right in the hall with you. By the way, I've always felt that if it's the real lead voice and a back-up group that sounds like the original, I'll be happy. It's hard to find groups with most living members who still talk to each other! So I guess that's as much of the Chiffons as anyone will get! (They didn't dare try "Nobody Knows What's Goin' On (In My Mind But Me)," did they?) To Billy: will check out the Varese Sarabande Jan&Dean/Arnie set. Sounds great! >From Digest 272: Thanks to all for the xlnt Anders & Poncia info. Another dimension to explore more deeply.... Personal thanks to all who contacted me off list regarding the Teddy Bears CD. If I haven't been yet, I'll be in contact soon.` Quick editorial: to Joseph Scott & others, I agree, soft and psychedelic can go together very well. Same with pop and psych. Frankly, back in those trippin' days, I could get off more deeply into some of the best pop production and vocals than into some screaming guitar ego pyrotechnics or a cheesy Farfisa - in fact, while at certain times that organ sound was pretty cool, usually it got annoying real fast! The Association's "Pandora's..." has always been a fave; two other incredibly trippy tracks are the Curt Boettcher-produced "It's Now Winter's Day" with Tommy Roe (!) and the Monkee's wonderful "Porpoise Song." And then there are some of the Beach Boys tracks.... (Take THAT, ye "purists"!!) Peter Van Dam: photos in the Spector section now number eleven. Some real treats there! Hopefully, more later.... Country Paul (as distinguished fro the other Paul - who I'm sure is very distinguished!) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 15 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:36:06 EDT From: Matthew David Subject: Sunshine Company - Think/For Singles Only Thank you Kingsley for your comments regarding the Revola release. Does anyone out there have any information on a 4th Sunshine Company LP? THINK (Imperial LP-12425) was scheduled to be released in 1968, but it never came out. I am also curious about Sunshine Company's involvement with a 1968 film called FOR SINGLES ONLY. The band is listed as appearing, but I don't remember seeing them in the film. I'm guessing they performed the song being played during the opening credits (probably also called "For Singles Only"). Anyone know for sure? Matthew David --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 16 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:19:39 -0400 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Hale & etc., George McCannon>WDRC, Nashville If I'm not mistaken, Hale & The Hushabyes was the original artist name. I have -r had - it on an Apogee DJ 45. It is TOTALLY Spectorian! A Date With Soul was the reissue name. Thanks! Bob, George McCannon III was from Hartford, CT, and last I heard was still doing clubs and oldies shows. He was championed by WDRC in Hartford, an astonishing Top 40 station that broke many records far ahead of the rest of the country (i.e. The Box Tops' "The Letter" was #1 in Hartford before the rest of the world knew it existed). WDRC was run and staffed by people who loved both Radio and Music, and it showed with as great as a 50% share of audience on some shifts!! They also nourished a strong local music scene, with an entire catalog of hits by local artists, most notably The Wildweeds ("No Good To Cry," "I Must Be Dreaming," and the exquisite "And When She Smiles"), early successes including doo-wop by Gene Pitney, and the Blue Beats ("Extra Girl"). McCannon's "Seven Million People" (on Tower) was a huge Hartford hit - and also in Buffalo, NY, where the incredibly-talented DJ, Joey Reynolds went and made it a hit between stints in Hartford. (Radio fans: one of most detailed and loving radio station tribute sites exists for WDRC at www.wdrcobg.com. Ego trip: a 45-second clip of one of my old airchecks resides there, too!) Will wrote: > I just finished watching ... the Bravo channel > Popular Song: Soundtrack of the Century. It was all > about the Brill Building writers.... Sounds phenomenal; thanks for the heads-up. Nick wrote: > ...Buzz Cason (the writer of Everlasting Love) aka Gary > Miles, doing 'Look for a Star' Wow! I didn't know that! So who was Garry MILLS, who also had a hit record with the same song? And is Ray Peterson still recording? To use your phrase, his "The Wonder of You" sucked the air out of Elvis' overaccellerated version. (I'm sure I'll get a bit of flak here, but I stand by it.) And if you're going to do a Nashville compilation, go for the Newbeats' obscure but wonderful semi-hit, "Shake Hands and Come Out Crying." Nashville-Britpop - it roars! Just found a copy after 30 years of looking! Re: The Diamonds' original songs: Wasn't "She Say" also original to them so they could show off the amazing bass singer? It's slick, but it rocks. I love this group! Thanks, all! Paul --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 17 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:31:05 -0000 From: Billy Spradlin Subject: New Mp3's Just a quick note, [you should listen to] Dave Edmunds version of "London's A Lonely Town", and since there's been talk about Gary Lewis & The Playboys, a not-on-CD favorite from his 1967 Liberty album "Listen!" called "Happiness" which was arranged by Jack Nitzsche. The Bass playing sounds a lot like Carol (or could it been Joe Osborne who played on "Girls In Love" --- Carol?). BTW: Gary's 1967 albums "Listen!" and "New Directions" are well worth picking up if you can get around the shortcomings of Gary's voice with great songs and huge production numbers, and far better than the 2-3 hits and covers formula of his earlier 1964-66 Liberty albums. I have no idea why they weren't hits. Billy --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 18 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:24:45 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: Carole King on NPR's "Weekend Edition" Sunday, October 21st October 21st? Now you tell me. It's OK, you can still hear it on line at http://www.npr.org/programs/wesun/features/2001/oct/011020.caroleking.html If you have 15 minutes and RealPlayer, check it out. She's basically plugging her new album, and Carole is as sharp and charming as one can imagine, even though she doesn't talk about Brill in any great detail. Except when host Liane Hansen refers to "Oh, No Not My Baby" as something Carole wrote in the Brill Building - Then, Carole insists "I was in the NOT Brill Building!" to which the slightly flustered Liane replies "You know, it's interesting they call that period now the Brill Building, I mean, even people who weren't in there but it was at that time...") Great segue, Liane! Carole reveals that the new recording of that song from her new album was a DAT of a one-off live performance done at the end of one of the sessions. It is really fantastic, by the way. Besides, it's worth it just to hear how Carole, who was in Washington, D.C. to meet with members of Congress, ended up getting exposed to anthrax!! Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 19 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:51:42 +0100 From: "Keith Beach" Subject: If it's Tuesday it must be Belgium! A Canadian friend of mine has a day in Belgium in November, and would like to trawl through some Oldies Record Stores. Can anyone recommend any addresses for a vinyl junkie? I think we should get him to buy us all a copy of the Brill Tone 'Ellie Greenwich' CD, don't you? So that'll be 500 copies then... Thanks Keith Beach --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 20 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:22:43 -0400 From: "Vlaovic B" Subject: Re: A fine fine group And to add....A fine, fine, superfine group! >Subject: Spectropop - A fine fine group >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:09:31 -0000 > >Congratulations to our hard-working moderators- >membership has now officially reached 500! Keep it up. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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