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There are 16 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 273:

      1. Re: "London's a Lonely Town" and "Yes Sir, That's My Baby"
           From: "Brad Elliott" 
      2. Re: Yes Sir, That's My Baby
           From: Andrew Hickey 
      3. Re: Ronnie/Overlanders
           From: "Robert Conway" 
      4. Catch Me In The Meadow
           From: LePageWeb 
      5. Re: I remember them
           From: Carol Kaye 
      6. Re:  Nathanson and Schoenholz
           From: "Jeff Lemlich" 
      7. Bravo program
           From: Will George 
      8. Re: Ellie Greenwich
           From: "Robert Conway" 
      9. SNUFF GARRETT
           From: Warren Cosford 
     10. Achievement (trivia)
           From: Michael Marino 
     11. Re: ELLIE GREENWICH
           From: "Robert Conway" 
     12. It'll cost you!
           From: Brian Chidester 
     13. Re: London's a Lonely Town
           From: "Bill" 
     14. Re: The Cake
           From: Scott  
     15. Re: Concert in Nashville
           From: "Nick Archer" 
     16. Re: The Cake
           From: "Vlaovic B" 


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Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:51:30 -0500
   From: "Brad Elliott" 
Subject: Re: "London's a Lonely Town" and "Yes Sir, That's My Baby"

Jason wrote:

> > Yeah, that's a phenomenal track. For those who haven't
> > heard it this is Edmunds with the California Music
> > regulars (Boettcher, Johnston, Usher, Melcher, though
> > no Brian Wilson unlike the usual credits read),
>
> How did you find this out for certain (Brian not on the
> record)?  Has he denied it publically?  Just curious,
> thanks.

Almost 20 years ago (in other words, not too many years
after it was recorded), I had the opportunities to ask
both Bruce and Curt about that track.  Both were quite
definite that Brian did not sing or play on it.

Will George wrote:

> There was an "all-star" single of this song in the 60s,
> featuring Brian Wilson, Sonny & Cher, Jackie DeShannon,
> Darlene Love, and more. Did Phil Spector produce this? I
> only have a tape copy, but it sure sounds like it could
> be his work.

The production and arrangement credit for that
more-than-passable imitation of SpectorSound goes to Jack
Nitzsche, who of course learned directly from the master
himself.

Surf's up!
Brad


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Message: 2
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:20:29 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Andrew Hickey 
Subject: Re: Yes Sir, That's My Baby

According to MOJO Collections the track (under the name
The Date With Soul) was 'put together by' Nitzsche, and
Spector's singing backups, along with the Blossoms,
Sonny And Cher, BW and 'some guy sitting in the lobby'
with Edna Wright singing. Doesn't say if it was Spector
or Nitszche who produced it, but both were present, so...

Sounds like an interesting track - it's placed as 8th
best Spector-sound single in the mag's list...


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Message: 3
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:52:08 -0500
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: Ronnie/Overlanders

Here's my question of the day: Anybody recall a UK group
(circa 1963-65) called the Overlanders (UK Pye/U.S.
Hickory) that had a couple of minor U.S. hits including
"Don't It Make You Feel Good?"  That single came out
about the same time as the Kinks' "You Really Got Me." 
Definitely a FOLK-pop group that had that unique UK
harmony sound similar to the Springfields. 
Anyhow...their entire output is now out on a new UK
import for a budget price (under $15).  Again as with
most of the first wave of the British Invasion, song
quality is a bit uneven, but nevertheless definitely
entertaining.

Bob Conway


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Message: 4
   Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:38:28 +0900
   From: LePageWeb 
Subject: Catch Me In The Meadow

"Jeff Lemlich" wrote:

> > BTW, Tradewinds' "Catch Me In The Meadow" was also a 45!
> > Very pretty....
> 
> This is/was the closing theme for every radio show I've
> ever done, since college... on up through the Swamp
> Stomp on EyeQRadio.  It might be a pretty-sounding song,
> but the lyrics are dead serious.

Care to explain, Jeff? I took the lyrics off the record,
so I may not have them all correct, but I had always
thought the lyric to be simple, teasing "playing-hard- 
to-get" kind of imagery, like a typical film sequence
where two lovers chase through a field and end in each
others arms, falling into a bed of wild flowers. Surely
nothing more sinister?

Jamie


I saw her in a setting
So upsetting to my head
Oh it stopped the world around me
My eyes got stuck upon her
And beyond her life was dead
I watched a dream surround me

I tried her hand
But the breeze took her on the grassway follow
And off she ran
Turn your head, put your ear to the wind
You'll hear me, follow, follow
Oh catch me, she said  catch me
Catch me in the meadow


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Message: 5
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:01:46 -0700
   From: Carol Kaye 
Subject: Re: I remember them

> get this -- Marshall Leib co-produced the latter tune
> (with B. Criswell)

Yes, Marshall and Bob, good young men, very nice, worked
for them mainly at Gold Star from what I recall.  Think I
was just recording on guitar then - I remember their
tracks as some pretty good music.


Carol Kaye 
http://www.carolkaye.com/


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Message: 6
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:13:27 -0400
   From: "Jeff Lemlich" 
Subject: Re:  Nathanson and Schoenholz

> Nathanson and Schoenholz (whatever that means) had
> another single with the same B-side and an
> Omartian-produced A-side, "Baby Won't You Give Me,"
> that same year on Verve 10712, but I don't have that
> one. Help!

I have a double-sided promo of that one:

BABY WON'T YOU GIVE ME A CHANCE (Verve 10712)
GLM Productions
Produced by Doug Gilmore for Gilmore Productions Inc.
Arranged by Michael Omartian
Written by Nathanson-Schoenholz

The matrix number shows 1972, but the copyright is 1973.
To me it sounds a bit like the type of pop Hamilton Joe
Frank & Reynolds were doing at the time.

Jeff Lemlich



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Message: 7
   Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:27:36 EDT
   From: Will George 
Subject: Bravo program

I just finished watching a very interesting hour-long
program on the Bravo channel. It is called Popular Song:
Soundtrack of the Century. It was all about the Brill
Building writers, and included scenes of Phil Spector
with Darlene Love in the studio, clips of The Crystals,
Gene Pitney, Neil Sedaka, Righteous Bros, and interviews
with Pitney, Mann & Weill, Ellie Grenwich, Sedaka, and
others. I'm sure it wil be repeated, so watch your
listings.

Will


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Message: 8
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:50:34 -0500
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: Ellie Greenwich

I love the term "borderline legitimacy" used by the
reviewer of the Carole King 2-CD set to describe a
high-end boot.

Bob Conway


>...(Brill Tone Records/ Made in Germany smacks of 
>borderline legitimacy)


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Message: 9
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:02:50 -0400
   From: Warren Cosford 
Subject: SNUFF GARRETT

Snuff Garrett?  I'd only casually noticed him.  Shows
you how dumb I am.  In 1976 I produced a 64 hour
documentary for radio which was syndicated all over the
world called The Evolution of Rock.  It never occured to
me to interview him.

Then I read that he "discovered" Bobby Vee when Bobby
filled in for Buddy in Fargo after Clear Lake. What the
hell was Snuff doing in Fargo in the middle of winter?  

He later made the best he could (and better than
probably anyone) of Gary Lewis and The Playboys
(Carol...were you a Playboy)?  Then I heard the album he
did with Ringo.  Phil was fine with Harrison.  Snuff was
better with Starr. 

Somehow Phil and Snuff were always running into each
other.  

According to Mark Ribowsky in his book "He's A Rebel",
both of them "cut" He's a Rebel....and then "mastered"
the tapes at the same time in the same studio....United
Western.  Phil in Studio A with Darlene Love portraying
The Crystals.  Snuff in Studio B with Vicki Carr.  Of
course Phil "won".  But in The 70's when they both
produced Cher....Snuff "won".  And he kept chugging
along in The 80's with The Pointer Sisters.  Where was
Phil?  The Ramones?  Give me a break!

But what REALLY did it for me was when I was passing
through Apple Valley California in 1981 and stopped into
The Roy Rogers Museum.  Wouldn't you?  Among the
souvenirs I bought was an album called "Hoppy, Gene and
Me" produced by.....you guessed it.... Snuff Garrett. 
Really?  It was on the Nostalgia Merchant Label!  The
What Label?  Exactly.  I don't expect Snuff did it for a
lot of money.  On the back there's a picture with Snuff
and Roy pointing some "6 shooters" at me.   The liner
notes say simply...."As kids we all had dreams of riding
the trail alongside Roy Rogers.  And now for me that
dream has been fulfilled.  Snuff Garrett". 

Good for you Snuff.  You got Soul!  There aren't many
people who did things For Love then.  And certainly
aren't many now.

WC


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Message: 10
   Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 05:20:55 -0000
   From: Michael Marino 
Subject: Achievement (trivia)

This may be a bit off-topic, but I think this group can
appreciate the this bit of trivia.  I'm sure you folks
will get this one quickly...

Who is the only person to be inducted into the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame, the Country Music Hall of Fame and
the Songwriters Hall of Fame? 

Michael Marino


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Message: 11
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:39:33 -0500
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: ELLIE GREENWICH

Mick Patrick wrote:
>
>Within just hours of becoming aware via Spectropop of
>Brill Tone Records' new double bootleg CD by my heroine
>ELLIE GREENWICH...

The sound quality, although certainly not up to the level
of the Eric label, is excellent all things considered. 
Also a funny or strange thing about the Brill-Tome CDs is
that I see them listed by on-line/mail-order dealers who
say they do not sell boots.  I imagine if these recordings
had been released on CD 10 or so years ago they would have
sounded terrible, similar to the early Marginal label that
also offered us early Carole King, Barry Mann, and Tony
Orlando on CD.

One last item, since Mick Patrick brought up the issue of
quality bootlegs---Does anybody own the 3-CD set by Jay
and the Americans?  Does anybody know anything about it?
Obviously, er rather not obviously if you view the cover
art and the beautiful, informative booklet, it is a
bootleg (isn't it?) Anyhow, I'm betting the house it is a
bootleg.  What a collection...this production had to have
been accomplished by some studio pirate.  If you at all
like Jay & The Americans buy this set.

OK, I lied, this is my last item:  Anybody have the
various artists' Japanese import CD called "Off the
Wall/(Phil Spector)"  Features:  Phil Spector Group, Joel
Scott, Ali Hassan, Steve Douglas and His Merry Men, Ike
and Tina, Florence DeVore, Betty Willis, Bonnie and the
Treasures, Al Delory, George McCannon III, The Lovelites,
Ikettes, Sugar Plums, Darlene Love, Ronettes, Crystals,
etc.  REASON IT CAME TO MY MIND:  Talking about Jay Black
made me think of this CD because  George McCannon III
sounds like a dead ringer for Jay Black.  Anybody know
anything about George McCannon III?


Bob Conway


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Message: 12
   Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:43:49 EDT
   From: Brian Chidester 
Subject: It'll cost you!

> Dear Michael Ochs you must have the largest collection in
> your archives, please let us know!!
> 
It'll cost you!!!!  Michael can be very expensive to
license from.


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Message: 13
   Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:16:25 -0000
   From: "Bill" 
Subject: Re: London's a Lonely Town

It should be noted that in addition to the Melcher et al
all-star rec. of the Tradewinds' New York's a Lonely Town,
great Japanese rock star (of some 35 years and counting)
Yamashita Tatsuro recorded a version of it on his 1991
album "Artisan." Played on the radio and audited casually,
you think you're listening to the genuine article until
Tats gets to the line, "Tokyo's a lonely town when you're
the only surfer boy around." It really takes you by
surprise. Two other lyric divergences consist of "goin'
down subway" in place of "walkin' down Broadway" and "my
woodie's outside covered with smog." 

Yamashita san is truly a wonder with----in addition to
his mostly original compositions--- his covers of
American classic era pop. His three overdubbed a cappella
CD's, "On the Street Corner I, II, III, done over
approximately a twenty - year period and sung in
impeccable English are among the finest examples of retro
a cappella around. His version of "Angel" from EP's flick
"Follow that Dream" is a pluperfect instance of making
musical gold from record industry food chain dross. Yes,
he DOES do "Why Do Fools Fall in Love," and "Ten
Commandments of Love" but these unimaginative and overly
covered--- but perfectly wonderful nonetheless---lapses
in repertoire are more than counterbalanced by such
recherche inclusions as the Castelles' "Heavenly Father,"
the Cadillacs' "Gloria," and revisits to the likes the
Dubs, the Rob Roys, the Duprees, Shepperd Sisters, and
Nolan Strong. And Tats' "takes" on Brian Wilson on his
"Big Wave" soundtrack CD are even more
verisimilitudinous than the above noted Tradewinds tune.

I discovered this lynchpin of J-Pop only last year while
researching a Japanese magazine article on
arranger-songwriter-singer Nick ("Italian Graffiti")
DeCaro. After tripping over Tats, I then proceeded to fall
down the rabbit hole of Japanese soft rock / pop. So much
so that when I returned yesterday from my annual Tokyo
trip I was loaded down with CDs and LP's by Eiichi Ohtaki,
Hideaki Tokunaga, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dreams Come True,
Chage and Aska, Love Psychedelico (perhaps a bit too
progressive for the tastes of listers here, but
nonetheless terrific) and many more. Japanese rock of
this persuasion still exists at the top of the sales
charts and in abundance. To whit, the number two album in
Japan this week is by Yamashita's wife, Mariya Takeuchi,
and was produced by him. 

Mainstream Japanese rock is the best kept secret in all
of world music.(The rap and crap from there is another
and regrettable story. . .even worse than its western
original "inspiration.") The complexity of the written and
spoken Japanese language, plus everyday, ongoing US
xenophobia and closed radio playlists has made it all but
unavailable to those of us in the west. All those vowels
and Baker's dozens worth of syllables! I DO believe that,
somewhat surprisingly, the three "Street Corner" CD's are
available from the US Tower cyber site. 

I highly recommend these and stylistically-related Nihon
artists to anyone who has a lingering/ongoing affection
for that big, fat, layered, vertically and horizontally
complex Euro pop "sound" that so heavily draws upon the
well of Spectropop. Especially Tats and prolific
Spectorian producer/performer Ohtaki.

Viva Japan!,

Bill Reed


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Message: 14
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:52:54 EDT
   From: Scott  
Subject: Re: The Cake

I've got the second LP by The Cake and it pretty much sucks !

Scott 


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Message: 15
   Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:03:59 -0500
   From: "Nick Archer" 
Subject: Re: Concert in Nashville

I attended a benefit concert last night for Clifford
Curry, of "She Shot a Hole in My Soul" fame. He has
undergone successful surgery for prostate cancer. The
talent lineup included most of the Nashville pop artists
of the 60's. There were several Spectropop highlights.

--Buzz Cason(the writer of Everlasting Love) aka Gary
Miles, doing "Look for a Star",

--Robert Knight, with a rare US appearance singing
"Everlasting Love".

--Buzzy Wilkins (lead singer of Ronnie and the Daytonas)
with "Sandy"

--Bruce Channel with Hey Baby, I Sing for Christine,
Stand Up

--Larry Henley, lead singer of the Newbeats, with Bread
and Butter, and singing his song Wind Beneath My Wings.

--Ray Peterson brought down the house with Fever, The
Wonder of You, Corrina Corrina, and Tell Laura I Love Her.
He hit some high notes that sucked the air out of the
room.

The complete lineup for the show in order of appearance
was Buzz Cason, Robert Knight, Buzzy Wilkins, Dickey Lee,
Bruce Channel, Larry Henley, Ray Peterson, intermission,
Pat Upton of the Spiral Starecase, Troy Shondell, Mike
Stewart(shag artist), Dennis Yost of the Classics 4, Gene
Hughes of the Casinos(who did not sing because of recent
throat surgery), Archie Bell, and Clifford Curry. About
450 people in attendance at the Gibson Guitar Theatre.

Of course my friends and I were discussing what songs
should be on a Nashville pop CD from the 60's. Mentioned
were the above artists, along with the Feminine Complex,
Neon Philharmonic, Velvettes, Newbeats, Sue Thompson, and
Bill Pursell. Are there any other suggestions from the
group? Maybe we can pull this compilation together here.

Nick Archer
Nashville TN


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Message: 16
   Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:55:15 -0400
   From: "Vlaovic B" 
Subject: Re: The Cake

>
>I've got the second LP by The Cake and it pretty much sucks !
>
>Scott
>

Well that one I haven't heard!  I recall reading ages
ago that they did in fact appear on The Smothers
Brothers Show.  I would've thought they would have
remained obscure.


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