________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ There are 25 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 272: 1. Anders and Poncia and Nathanson and Schoenholz, oh my! From: "Spector Collector" 2. Re: ANDERS N PONCIA CD From: "Robert Conway" 3. Re: ANDERS N PONCIA CD From: Matthew 4. Re: ANDERS N PONCIA CD From: "Don Charles" 5. Re: London's a Lonely Town From: Jason 6. Soft psych in '66 From: "Joseph Scott" 7. Sunshine Company CD's From: Matthew 8. Re: Gene Pitney gig review From: "Lindsay Martin" 9. Pitney Review From: LePageWeb 10. Re: Snuff Garrett From: Will George 11. RE: WHO'S THAT BANGING ON THE PIANO? From: "gregg luvoxx" 12. more pictures in the Photos folder for Phil Spector! From: Peter van Dam 13. Yes Sir, That's My Baby From: Will George 14. Re: Phil on Jeannie TV From: Matthew 15. Re: Ellie Greenwich From: "Robert Conway" 16. Elle et al From: Alan Gordon 17. Re: Ellie Greenwich and Jeff Barry From: "Don Charles" 18. ELLIE GREENWICH From: Mick Patrick 19. Re: Ellie Greenwich From: "Ken Levine" 20. Brill-tone and the buns From: "Ed Rothstein" 21. The Bonce From: "Randy M. Kosht" 22. Re: London's a Lonely Town From: Andrew Hickey 23. (Very) common language! From: Paul Woods 24. The Cake, the sow and other things From: "Vlaovic B" 25. Re: Ronnie From: Carol Kaye --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:36:35 +0000 From: "Spector Collector" Subject: Anders and Poncia and Nathanson and Schoenholz, oh my! Toward a more complete understanding of the Anders and Poncia legacy, I offer the following, taking for granted that we've all memorized their Philles-era ouevre: I am happy to learn, courtesy of Bob Conway, that their entire (released) Kama Sutra-era output (unless you count "The Audition," the throwaway B-side of their "Yes, We Have No Bananas" single released as The Mulberry Fruit Band) is once again available on CD. A 1994 two-disc collection called "Anders 'n' Poncia Pop Works," also a Japanese import (natch), compiled all the same songs as the 1999 "Best of" that Bob described, as well as "The Audition" and 16 contemporaneous tracks of other artists' recordings of their tunes/productions. That compilation has liner notes by Japanese pop icon Eiichi Ohtaki (and sports a cover that makes it looks it look like some kind of "lost album" of his own), so I assume that he was instrumental in getting it out, bless his heart. In case it's useful, the catalog number for that one is Victor VICP-40130-31. As dutiful Spectropoppers know, Anders and Poncia got their start in the doo-wop group they fronted, The Videls. However, it has not been stated in this thread that an excellent and still-available Videls compilation CD, "Yesterday & Today," came out in the U.S. on Taragon 1016 in 1996. The first eight cuts represent the compilers' idea of the best of their old-school output (ca. 1959-1960, including two previously unreleased tracks and six first-time stereos; apparently they were unable to license their final material for Kapp, ca. 1960-61), although it must be said that that leaves ten known Videls tracks still available only on vinyl. (Sixteen songs, including six that, as far as I know, are previously unreleased, are included on Magic Carpet LP 1005, "A Letter from the Videls," leaving only the two sides of Dusty Disc 473, "I Wish"/"Blow Winds Blow," as yet unanthologized.) Next, the Taragon CD mercifully includes (although transferred lovingly from disc in the absence of master tapes) both sides of their brilliant Bigtop single as Pete and Vinnie (number 3155, from 1963), "Hand Clappin' Time (Parts 1 and 2)," then tosses in The Trade Winds' "The Party Starts at Nine" (the B-side of "New York's a Lonely Town") for good measure before fast-forwarding to the recent past for ten tracks of 1994 Videls-reunion recordings (with the original lineup of Anders, Herbert Rickey, and Bobby Calitri intact but with Ronnie Sands and Joe Mancini replacing Poncia and Norman Marzano, respectively) that were originally issued on a very limited-distribution cassette. Although, predictably, these tracks hearken more closely to Anders's doo-wop roots than to his revered-in-these-circles mid-'60s output, they are nonetheless great songs, and his distinctive voice is in fine and instantly recognizable form. It has already been noted here that three years after 1969's sublime eponymous Anders and Poncia album on Warner Brothers produced by Richard Perry, Peter Anders released a solo album, also self-titled, on the Family label. It's also worth noting that, four years later still (1976, if you're not keeping score), that LP was reissued in the U.S. on Tiger Lily 14064 (distributed by Roulette), with one track tacked onto the original lineup at the end of each side: The Trade Winds' version of "Bad Misunderstanding" on side one, and the otherwise-unavailable "Sudden Creek" on side two. As an aside, I must confess that I don't believe I've ever seen uglier album cover "art" than on this offering. Our little story concludes with mention of a single from 1977 by Peter Andreoli on 20th Century 2342, on which he offers a not-too-anachronistic remake of "Mind Excursion." Although I currently own only a mono/stereo promo copy of the single, even as I write I await postal delivery of an issue copy with the B-side "When I Open Up My Eyes." If any major revelations ensue upon its arrival, I'll keep you posted! I just said that our story ends there, but I'm not really 100% sure. I've always filed a 1973 single released in the U.S. on MGM 14551, and credited to Nathanson and Schoenholz, in my Anders 'n' Poncia section because I'm convinced that the lead singer's voice is the "instantly recognizable" Mr. Anders's, although I'll admit that it's suspicious that neither his name nor Mr. Poncia's appears among writer or producer credits on either side ("This Time"/"Come on with Me"). However -- get this -- Marshall Leib co-produced the latter tune (with B. Criswell). The artistes of record are also the composers of record on both sides, the A-side of which was produced by Doug Gilmore (?) and arranged by Michael Omartian (!) and the B-side of which was executive-produced by J. De Marco (?). Anyone know anything about this single? Or how to get hold of Pete and/or Vinnie so we could ask them ourselves? Whether either or both of them turn out to be involved or not, it's a keeper record, to say the least. Nathanson and Schoenholz (whatever that means) had another single with the same B-side and an Omartian-produced A-side, "Baby Won't You Give Me," that same year on Verve 10712, but I don't have that one. Help! By the way, there's another important reason to seek out the "Mynd Excursions" CD frequently mentioned here of late in connection with Anders and Poncia (unfortunately, it appears to be out of print): other than the impossibly rare 1970 single on Buddah 171 (1970), it's the only place to find The Chiffons' "So Much in Love." David A. Young --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:43:45 -0500 From: "Robert Conway" Subject: Re: ANDERS N PONCIA CD It is the track from the Mynd Excursions' LP. Bob Conway Jeff Lemlich" wrote: > Who is performing "Small Town Bring Down" on this > compilation? Is it the Tony Bruno Buddah single, or is > it actually Anders & Poncia doing this tune? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:01:36 EDT From: Matthew Subject: Re: ANDERS N PONCIA CD Jeff Lemlich wrote: > Who is performing "Small Town Bring Down" on this > compilation? Is it the Tony Bruno Buddah single, or is > it actually Anders & Poncia doing this tune? Hi Jeff, Tracks 1-10 - The Tradewinds "EXCURSIONS" LP Tracks 11-21 - The Innocence LP Track 22 - The Innocence (non-LP single...a personal favorite) Tracks 23 & 24 - ?? Track 25 - Mulberry Fruit Band (1st 45 issued by Buddah Records) Tracks 26 & 27 - Pete Anders 45 Best, Matthew --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:27:11 +0000 From: "Don Charles" Subject: Re: ANDERS N PONCIA CD "Jeff Lemlich" wrote: > >Who is performing "Small Town Bring Down" on this >compilation? Is it the Tony Bruno Buddah single, or is >it actually Anders & Poncia doing this tune? Haven't heard this compilation, but Gene Pitney sings "Small Town, Bring Down" on his 1968 album SHE'S A HEARTBREAKER. Worth hearing. Don Charles --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:38:05 EDT From: Jason Subject: Re: London's a Lonely Town spectropop writes: > Yeah, that's a phenomenal track. For those who haven't > heard it this is Edmunds with the California Music > regulars (Boettcher, Johnston, Usher, Melcher, though > no Brian Wilson unlike the usual credits read), Hi Andrew... How did you find this out for certain (Brian not on the record)? Has he denied it publically? Just curious, thanks. Jason --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:00:09 -0600 From: "Joseph Scott" Subject: Soft psych in '66 Hi Jimmy, Alan, and all, I think "psychedelic music" basically means music that >from the standpoint of the artist had some sort of actual relationship to psychedelic drugs -- "psychedelic" of course was a word that was invented in the '50s specifically to refer to certain drugs including LSD, and that specific meaning was the one and only meaning of "psychedelic" that was well-known to musicians and music fans in the '60s. I think reasonable people can disagree about what kind of relationship that has to be, about how narrow or wide we ought to be about categorizing tunes as "not" "psychedelic music," and about whether "psychedelic music" ought to include situations in which people deliberately made psychedelic-music-like "freak" music even though they didn't approve of the use of psychedelics (e.g. Zappa). The way I look at it, the idea that macho heaviness (i.e. lack of soft-pop-ness) is part of what makes a tune "pure psychedelia" is a myth, a myth that has resulted from fans of so-called garage rock appropriating the word "psychedelic" since the early '70s to describe their own favorite subset of psychedelic music (and too often, garage music that is actually hardly psychedelics-related at all). I don't think anyone in the fall of '66 was listening to music such as Donovan's "The Trip" and saying, it's pretty good, but if it sounded more like Hendrix it would be more "psychedelic." Because that supposed standard didn't really exist then, imo. "Flower power" was about _not_ worrying about being macho. Donovan's a good example -- although he tends not to get the credit, he was considered a stylistic innovator during '65-'67 by just about everyone including the Beatles (who were one of the earlier rock groups into psychedelic music themselves), and "Sunny Goodge Street" >from '65, the U.S. Sunshine Superman album, etc. represent a guy leading the pack re psych music, and as often as not playing in pretty much a soft pop way (because no one expected him not to). Re the Association, their "Pandora's Golden Heebie Jeebies" is a '66 psychedelic single imo, and a good one. I agree with Jimmy that '66 was a special year, when the sudden acceptance of the combining of contemporary teen-oriented music with jazz-, classical-, etc. influenced folk/"beatnik" music opened up all kinds of new possibilities, only some of which were really explored much during the later years of the '60s. Some more '66 stuff that is in the general ballpark of "soft psych" is "Remember," Association "I'm Only Sleeping," Beatles "Love Seems Doomed," Blues Magoos "Steve's Song," Blues Project "Section 43," Country Joe and the Fish "Dance Of The Freak-Gropers," Fugs "Electric Tomorrow," Electric Tomorrow "Runnin' 'Round This World," Jefferson Airplane "Orange Skies," Love "Flowers In My Mind," Rockin' Ramrods "Turn To Earth," Al Stewart (Of course psychedelic music didn't become widely known to music fans as a style until '67 -- a list of '67 soft-psych tunes would be much, much longer than a '66 list.) Joseph Scott --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:34:17 EDT From: Matthew Subject: Sunshine Company CD's Hi, I have heard that the Sunshine Company CD put out by Rev-Ola has some previously unreleased tracks. If so, could someone tell me the titles of those tracks? While I'm on the subject of Rev-Ola......Did their reissue of The Third Rail "ID Music" include any bonus tracks? A new CD compilation, "The Best of The Sunshine Company" has just been released by Collectors Choice Music. How do the 2 Sunshine Company CD's compare in terms of track selection and sound quality? Thanks Matthew --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:25:56 +1000 From: "Lindsay Martin" Subject: Re: Gene Pitney gig review Stewart Mason wrote: >For the hour >and 15 minutes that Gene Pitney was onstage, this was a >rock and roll show, and without question one of the >finest I've ever seen. Phew! What a relief! After recommending Gene's concert to Stewart I was dreading that he might for some reason not enjoy it. If my recommendation included a couple of reservations, it was only because two people I'd urged to go to Gene's last concert in our town unaccountably came away disappointed, but I suspect they were not dyed-in-the-wool fans, either of Gene or pure joyous 60s pop. Stewart's account echoes my experience here in Australia, right down to the immaculately rehearsed local musos (one rehearsal here too, as I recall), the excellent voice, and the often intelligent choice of material. I should've added that the arrangements weren't necessarily note-by-note reproductions of the original hits: for example "Town Without Pity" was an improvement on the original recording. This is what marks the still vital performer from the ancient star going through the paces, and as Stewart points out, Gene certainly ain't the latter. Lindsay --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:50:11 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: Pitney Review Just had to write a note to express big thanks to Stewart for a wonderful review. I really felt like I was there! I particularly found this funny: > This lineup sucked when the Doors had it and it sucks now. LOL! Thanks again, Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:18:17 EDT From: Will George Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett In a message dated 10/16/01, spectropop writes: > BTW did Snuff ever work with any female singers/groups? > Just Curious! He cut a lot of hits for Cher in the 70s, including her "trilogy" Gypsies Tramps & Thieves, Half-Breed, and Dark Lady. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:27:38 -0700 From: "gregg luvoxx" Subject: RE: WHO'S THAT BANGING ON THE PIANO? I'm still waiting for the Townshend/Spector piano story. > Phil, I'm sure Townsend is referring to the "piano" > incident you've told me about and alluded to above. I > reckon Spectropoppers are gagging to hear the full > story. Go on, be a devil, do tell. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 06:28:59 -0000 From: Peter van Dam Subject: more pictures in the Photos folder for Phil Spector! Hi folks, There are only six photographs in the folder for Phil Spector. Where are the others linked to his music and people who worked with him? Please add your rare photographic material to this site. In Mojo Collections Autumm issue 2001, there is a very rare picture of Phil and Jack Nitzche which I never had seen before. Also there was one of Carole Kaye and an article on some of the much searched after singles. Dear Mr. Hal Blaine, outstanding session drummer you must have a large collection of pictures? Please show us how it was there. I look forward to see it in the photo section of this site. Dear Michael Ochs you must have the largest collection in your archives, please let us know!! yours, Peter van Dam [ http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/lst ] --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:18:31 EDT From: Will George Subject: Yes Sir, That's My Baby There was an "all-star" single of this song in the 60s, featuring Brian Wilson, Sonny & Cher, Jackie DeShannon, Darlene Love, and more. Did Phil Spector produce this? I only have a tape copy, but it sure sounds like it could be his work. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:20:35 EDT From: Matthew Subject: Re: Phil on Jeannie TV Hi Mark, In addition to "Out & About", Boyce & Hart perform "Girl, I'm Out To Get You", which appears on the duo's "Test Patterns" LP. I think "I Wonder What She's Doing Tonight" can be heard in the background in one of the scenes as well. Best, Matthew Mark Landwehr wrote: > Hey, Spectropoppers...I would like to know the name of > one of the songs done by Boyce & Hart on the "I Dream > of Jeannie" episode that Uncle Phil appeared in... > > The episode was called "Jeannie the Hip Hippie" I > believe, and B&H sang "Out and About" and one other > song...I saw it, but the mind is weak...I figure if > anyone knows, it's the Spectropop gang!!! > > Thanks, Mark --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 15 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:40:35 -0500 From: "Robert Conway" Subject: Re: Ellie Greenwich >Any idea where this CD can be bought on the net ? >Frank Hey Frank...I'm the one who first wrote about the Ellie Greenwich 2-CD set earlier this past week. I picked it up by chance in the new arrivals CD bin at a GREAT oldies shop not too far fropm where I live--Chicago suburbs. By chance I mean that I was totally surprised when I saw it becauase I usually am pretty much aware of new releases both domestic and import. If you care to scroll down you will see the second installment in this series, a 2-CD set by Carole King with a representative customer review. I include this listing from Amazon to provide info about the series and the Carole King material and also to say that if Amazon lists the Carole King CD it probably will soon list the Ellie Greenwich set. Makes sense although Amazon does not carry the 3-CD set by Barry Mann. I am sure some mail order firm that advertises in Goldmine will soon carry the CD. If not, e-mail me Frank and I will see if the shop near my home would be willing to sell it via mail order. -Bob Conway Brill Building Legends [IMPORT] Carole King List Price: $34.49 Our Price: $34.49 Audio CD (August 17, 2000) Reper; ASIN: B000056H90 Amazon.com Sales Rank: 114,275 Track Listings 1. Oh Neil 2. (Living My Life) For The Love Of A Girl 3. It Might As Well Rain Until September 4. Look Who's Talkin 5. Under The Stars 6. Disappointed 7. Crying In The Rain 8. He Who Takes Good Care Of Your Baby 9. Breaking Up Is Hard To Do 10. Samson & Delilah 11. Short Mort 12. In My Baby's Eyes 13. Baby Sittin 14. Same Old Reliable Me 15. He's A Bad Boy 16. A Wonderful Dream 17. Oh Oh It Started All Over Again 18. Take Good Care Of My Baby 19. School Bells Are Ringing 20. Dreamin About You 21. Nobody's Perfect 22. Carole 23. A Very Special Boy 24. How Many Tears 25. I Can't Behave Myself 26. Walkin With My Angel 27. Another Night With The Boys 28. We Grew Up Together 29. Nothing Is Impossible 30. Right Girl 31. Even If I Wanted To 32. Queen Of The Beach 33. Boomerang 34. I've Got Nothing Left Written 35. Nothing's Impossible 36. Dear Mr Dj Play It Again 37. I Didn't Have Any Summer Romance 38. There Goes My Lover 39. Some Of Your Lovin 40. Loved Loved Loved 41. Once A Fool Always A Fool 42. Goin Wild 43. Sixteen Cubes Of Sugar 44. Your Letter Will Kiss Me Goodnight 45. That's What I Call True Love 46. Deep In My Heart 47. A Road To Nowhere 48. Sheik 49. A Million Years Too Late 50. One Wonderful Night 51. She Don't Deserve You 52. You Turn Me On Boy 53. Some Of Your Lovin 54. Make The Night A Little Longer 55. You're The Only One (Who Understands Me) (Barry Ma 56. Hey Little Play Girl (Barry Mann) 57. (Let's Have A) Private Party (Barry Mann) Editorial Reviews Album Details 57 Tracks; 31 Unreleased from 1958-1964. Lots of Demos and Rarities From Carole's Hit-Writing Days!, October 1, 2001 Reviewer: Christopher L. Dolmetsch from Hurricane, WV USA This is an interesting collection from the perspective that it presents lots of unreleased (31!) and very rare songs from Carole King's songwriting days at the Brill Building with then-husband Gerry Goffin. Some of these were actually issued by Carole herself, but the majority are still associated with other Top 40 performers (Bobby Vee, the Everly Brothers, the Drifters). Many of these are clearly publishers' demos with sparse instrumental accompaniment, while others were clearly complete sessions. Although the sound on a couple of tracks suffers slightly from compression (possibily the result of using acetates and some multi-generational tapes) the majority sound remarkably clean and bright. It is dubious whether Carole herself participated in the release of this compilation (Brill Tone Records/ Made in Germany smacks of borderline legitimacy), but even if not there is nothing for her to regret or be ashamed of in this 57 track collection. It certainly is a joy to hear these songs done by their composer and then be able to compare them to the hits with which we are so familiar today. Bob Conway --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 16 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:28:38 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Elle et al "Paul Payton" wrote: > > Second, what is the scoop on these Brill-Tone CD's? Any > help in finding them? I was about to ask this same question. Even though it's absolutely wonderful to hear all these great demos, etc., I'm amazed at the producers lack of design and technical skills. The tracks on all three of their releases are seemingly random (it would have been great to hear them chronological, but that's my particular preference). The graphics and layout are extremely lame. And some of the liner notes seem translated from another language to me. Of course they may just be written by someone with limited syntax skills. Also: I just picked up the Elle Greenwich 2 cd Brill Tone set just yesterday (thanx to this great newsletter), so I haven't been able to give it a proper perusal as yet. But for anyone who hasn't purchased it: I saw a nice 2fer of Ms. Greenwich's two albums under here own name. I'm glad I elected to think about it before buying. The Brill set has those two albums in their entirety, albeit in very strange order. I'm assuming the producer put all the songs on their computer and let it randomly choose an order. sigh. > Third: Welcome, Alan Gordon. Are you the person who > wrote "Me About You" (and other songs) with Garry Bonner? > His recording of that track (Columbia 45 - don't think > there was an LP) is one of my all-time faves. Nope... sorry... damn, wish I were... great songs. Actually I write and draw comicbooks for a living. Remember those old four color things that kids used to read and you used to be able to buy at any drug store? Al Gordon --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 17 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:25:17 +0000 From: "Don Charles" Subject: Re: Ellie Greenwich and Jeff Barry Bob wrote: > >Yeah another pleasant surprise courtesy of the modern >marvel of CD technology. Great pix in the liner notes as >well. This is the third installment (I think)--I own the >3-CD set by Barry Mann, the two-CD set by Carole King, >and now this wonderful 2-CD set by Ellie... There is also a Brill Tone 2-CD set featuring Jeff Barry singles and demos called MR. MAKE BELIEVE. (I can't believe I'm helping promote this bootleg!) Don Charles --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 18 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:17:53 +0100 (BST) From: Mick Patrick Subject: ELLIE GREENWICH Greetings, Within just hours of becoming aware via Spectropop of Brill Tone Records' new double bootleg CD by my heroine ELLIE GREENWICH I received a communication from Bob Thomas informing me that he had copies in stock, should I want one. I've had anti-bootleg rants in the past but serious collectors and enthusiasts like myself just gotta have items like this. Put 17 unissued Ellie demos on a legal CD and I'd buy it. Let's face it, that ain't gonna happen. Until it does I applaud Brill Tone (whoever they really are) and eagerly await their next release. Who will the next object of their attention be? Tony Orlando? Neil Sedaka? Dee Dee Warwick? Van McCoy? We shall see. One observation I made of Brill Tone's Barry Mann, Jeff Barry and Carole King releases was the disappointingly early cut-off period. That criticism doesn't apply to the Ellie CDs. Of the 56 featured cuts, 17 (I think) are unissued Greenwich demos. At first glance (the print is rather undersized for us presbyopes) 8 of those tracks were recorded in 1964 or later. So there's plenty of prime period Ellie. On first hearing I find the standout tracks to be Ellie's original demos of "House Of Gold", "He's Got Something", "I'll Try Anything", "Time To Go" and "She's A Liar" all of which were written or co-written by Mark Barkan. I seem to recall a rather marvellous interview with that great songwriter some years ago in which he said that Ellie Greenwich was his favourite demo singer. Buy this CD and you'll understand why. MICK PATRICK PS: If someone at Brill Tone Records would care to contact me privately I will gladly inform them who 'officially' recorded some of the above-mentioned songs. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 19 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:48:52 -0700 From: "Ken Levine" Subject: Re: Ellie Greenwich Where can you buy these CD's???? Ken --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 20 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:09:36 -0400 From: "Ed Rothstein" Subject: Brill-tone and the buns I usually find such stuff as Brill-tone at http://www.discol.com or try Midnight Records in NYC. I asked Dean about the line, "busting your buns" backstage during an interview. He rolled his eyes and laughed. Ed Rothstein --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 21 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:47:13 -0700 From: "Randy M. Kosht" Subject: The Bonce To Phil Chapman: Thanks for explaining "bonce." That was a U.K. term I didn't know. Randy --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 22 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:08:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Hickey Subject: Re: London's a Lonely Town > How did you find this out for certain (Brian not on > the record)? Has he denied it publically? Just > curious, thanks. I honestly can't remember my source - I think it may have been Edmunds' website but I remember it being fairly convincing. For quite a while after that I still harboured doubts (I was convinced it was BW singing the 'my woodie's outside' bits) but listening back I don't think he's on there at all... --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 23 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:41:57 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Woods Subject: (Very) common language! Phil said: > Up until this thread I, too, always sang "..bust your > bonce..", as in break your skull open, which was the > more usual consequence of skateboarding on the > pavement in 60s UK. That's the interpretation I had, mainly because "buns" was not a common phrase over here in the sixties. Reminds me of the shock I gave a young American girl, working on our library issue desk, way back in the early seventies, when I said to her "Have you got a rubber I can use? I don't want to go downstairs to fetch mine." She blushed bright red, and fell into a state of babbling confusion. She recovered when I explained to her what we call erasers over here; and did agree, some months later, to go with me to see The Crystals who were supposed to be performing in Bristol. Sadly the gig was cancelled. Best, Paul, who didn't for a minute think that Mick's "sow" was anything but a typo... --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 24 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:58:55 -0400 From: "Vlaovic B" Subject: The Cake, the sow and other things Hmmm perhaps someone can help. One of my favourite undiscovered LPs of the sixties is the first LP by last-gasp psych-Girl Group 'The Cake'. Wow I think this is an amazing LP. It has been talked about on this forum. It'd be too much to think that this one has been issued on CD (Although my copy is still in remarkably great shape), I know some of the tracks have been, esp. the Spectorish tracks on the first side. Can anyone point me in the direction of any available CD compilations wherein I might find these slices of Girl group heaven... Also I've heard a number of tracks by Peanut (actually session singer extraordinaire Katy Kissoon!). I've got some of these tracks on 'Here Come the Girls' Comps (none of which are exceptional), but really want her cover of the Beach Boys Pet Sounds track 'I'm Waiting for the Day'. Any idea where it can be found? Also I accept the typo error 'Sow vs Show'. All is forgiven. I recently stumbled upon my video copy of Girl Groups: Story of a Sound. When during her interview, Ronnie Spector breaks into an impromptu version of 'Why do Fools...', it's just astonishing. All of sudden that miraculous voice breaks through, a bit scratchy, but soooo disarming! If only I could find my UK documentary of Phil Spector, I think it was a TV4 production! It even had an interview with Albert Goldman...now there's a sow! N --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 25 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:54:15 -0700 From: Carol Kaye Subject: Re: Ronnie I worked on the Ronnie and the Ronettes tracks for Phil Spector and this business of keeping on repeating what looks to me like typo about Ronnie is not right...I have to protest. She's a nice lady, good talent and would appreciate some respect here, thank-you. Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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