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There are 25 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 272:

      1. Anders and Poncia and Nathanson and Schoenholz, oh my!
           From: "Spector Collector" 
           From: "Robert Conway" 
           From: Matthew 
           From: "Don Charles" 
      5. Re: London's a Lonely Town
           From: Jason 
      6. Soft psych in '66
           From: "Joseph Scott" 
      7. Sunshine Company CD's
           From: Matthew 
      8. Re: Gene Pitney gig review
           From: "Lindsay Martin" 
      9. Pitney Review
           From: LePageWeb 
     10. Re: Snuff Garrett
           From: Will George 
           From: "gregg luvoxx" 
     12. more pictures in the Photos folder for Phil Spector!
           From: Peter van Dam 
     13. Yes Sir, That's My Baby
           From: Will George 
     14. Re: Phil on Jeannie TV
           From: Matthew 
     15. Re: Ellie Greenwich
           From: "Robert Conway" 
     16. Elle et al
           From: Alan Gordon 
     17. Re: Ellie Greenwich and Jeff Barry
           From: "Don Charles" 
           From: Mick Patrick 
     19. Re: Ellie Greenwich
           From: "Ken Levine" 
     20. Brill-tone and the buns
           From: "Ed Rothstein" 
     21. The Bonce
           From: "Randy M. Kosht" 
     22. Re: London's a Lonely Town
           From: Andrew Hickey 
     23. (Very) common language!
           From: Paul Woods 
     24. The Cake, the sow and other things
           From: "Vlaovic B" 
     25. Re: Ronnie
           From: Carol Kaye 

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Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:36:35 +0000
   From: "Spector Collector" 
Subject: Anders and Poncia and Nathanson and Schoenholz, oh my!

Toward a more complete understanding of the Anders and
Poncia legacy, I offer the following, taking for granted
that we've all memorized their Philles-era ouevre:

I am happy to learn, courtesy of Bob Conway, that their
entire (released) Kama Sutra-era output (unless you count
"The Audition," the throwaway B-side of their "Yes, We
Have No Bananas" single released as The Mulberry Fruit
Band) is once again available on CD. A 1994 two-disc
collection called "Anders 'n' Poncia Pop Works," also a
Japanese import (natch), compiled all the same songs as
the 1999 "Best of" that Bob described, as well as "The
Audition" and 16 contemporaneous tracks of other artists'
recordings of their tunes/productions. That compilation
has liner notes by Japanese pop icon Eiichi Ohtaki (and
sports a cover that makes it looks it look like some kind
of "lost album" of his own), so I assume that he was
instrumental in getting it out, bless his heart. In case
it's useful, the catalog number for that one is Victor

As dutiful Spectropoppers know, Anders and Poncia got
their start in the doo-wop group they fronted, The Videls.
However, it has not been stated in this thread that an
excellent and still-available Videls compilation CD,
"Yesterday & Today," came out in the U.S. on Taragon 1016
in 1996. The first eight cuts represent the compilers'
idea of the best of their old-school output (ca. 1959-1960,
including two previously unreleased tracks and six
first-time stereos; apparently they were unable to license
their final material for Kapp, ca. 1960-61), although it
must be said that that leaves ten known Videls tracks
still available only on vinyl. (Sixteen songs, including
six that, as far as I know, are previously unreleased, are
included on Magic Carpet LP 1005, "A Letter from the
Videls," leaving only the two sides of Dusty Disc 473, "I
Wish"/"Blow Winds Blow," as yet unanthologized.)

Next, the Taragon CD mercifully includes (although
transferred lovingly from disc in the absence of master
tapes) both sides of their brilliant Bigtop single as Pete
and Vinnie (number 3155, from 1963), "Hand Clappin' Time
(Parts 1 and 2)," then tosses in The Trade Winds' "The
Party Starts at Nine" (the B-side of "New York's a Lonely
Town") for good measure before fast-forwarding to the
recent past for ten tracks of 1994 Videls-reunion
recordings (with the original lineup of Anders, Herbert
Rickey, and Bobby Calitri intact but with Ronnie Sands and
Joe Mancini replacing Poncia and Norman Marzano,
respectively) that were originally issued on a very
limited-distribution cassette. Although, predictably,
these tracks hearken more closely to Anders's doo-wop
roots than to his revered-in-these-circles mid-'60s output,
they are nonetheless great songs, and his distinctive
voice is in fine and instantly recognizable form.

It has already been noted here that three years after
1969's sublime eponymous Anders and Poncia album on Warner
Brothers produced by Richard Perry, Peter Anders released
a solo album, also self-titled, on the Family label. It's
also worth noting that, four years later still (1976, if
you're not keeping score), that LP was reissued in the U.S.
on Tiger Lily 14064 (distributed by Roulette), with one
track tacked onto the original lineup at the end of each
side: The Trade Winds' version of "Bad Misunderstanding"
on side one, and the otherwise-unavailable "Sudden Creek"
on side two. As an aside, I must confess that I don't
believe I've ever seen uglier album cover "art" than on
this offering. Our little story concludes with mention of
a single from 1977 by Peter Andreoli on 20th Century 2342,
on which he offers a not-too-anachronistic remake of "Mind
Excursion." Although I currently own only a mono/stereo
promo copy of the single, even as I write I await postal
delivery of an issue copy with the B-side "When I Open Up
My Eyes." If any major revelations ensue upon its arrival,
I'll keep you posted!

I just said that our story ends there, but I'm not really
100% sure. I've always filed a 1973 single released in the
U.S. on MGM 14551, and credited to Nathanson and
Schoenholz, in my Anders 'n' Poncia section because I'm
convinced that the lead singer's voice is the "instantly
recognizable" Mr. Anders's, although I'll admit that it's
suspicious that neither his name nor Mr. Poncia's appears
among writer or producer credits on either side ("This
Time"/"Come on with Me"). However -- get this -- Marshall
Leib co-produced the latter tune (with B. Criswell). The
artistes of record are also the composers of record on
both sides, the A-side of which was produced by Doug
Gilmore (?) and arranged by Michael Omartian (!) and the
B-side of which was executive-produced by J. De Marco (?).
Anyone know anything about this single? Or how to get hold
of Pete and/or Vinnie so we could ask them ourselves?
Whether either or both of them turn out to be involved or
not, it's a keeper record, to say the least. Nathanson and
Schoenholz (whatever that means) had another single with
the same B-side and an Omartian-produced A-side, "Baby
Won't You Give Me," that same year on Verve 10712, but I
don't have that one. Help!

By the way, there's another important reason to seek out
the "Mynd Excursions" CD frequently mentioned here of late
in connection with Anders and Poncia (unfortunately, it
appears to be out of print): other than the impossibly
rare 1970 single on Buddah 171 (1970), it's the only place
to find The Chiffons' "So Much in Love."

David A. Young

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Message: 2
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:43:45 -0500
   From: "Robert Conway" 

It is the track from the Mynd Excursions' LP.

Bob Conway

Jeff Lemlich" wrote:

> Who is performing "Small Town Bring Down" on this
> compilation?  Is it the Tony Bruno Buddah single, or is
> it actually Anders & Poncia doing this tune?

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Message: 3
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:01:36 EDT
   From: Matthew 

Jeff Lemlich wrote:

> Who is performing "Small Town Bring Down" on this
> compilation?  Is it the Tony Bruno Buddah single, or is
> it actually Anders & Poncia doing this tune?

Hi Jeff,

Tracks 1-10 - The Tradewinds "EXCURSIONS" LP
Tracks 11-21 - The Innocence LP
Track 22 - The Innocence (non-LP single...a personal favorite)
Tracks 23 & 24 - ??
Track 25 - Mulberry Fruit Band (1st 45 issued by Buddah Records)
Tracks 26 & 27 - Pete Anders 45


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Message: 4
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:27:11 +0000
   From: "Don Charles" 

"Jeff Lemlich" wrote:
>Who is performing "Small Town Bring Down" on this
>compilation?  Is it the Tony Bruno Buddah single, or is
>it actually Anders & Poncia doing this tune?

Haven't heard this compilation, but Gene Pitney sings
"Small Town, Bring Down" on his 1968 album SHE'S A
HEARTBREAKER.  Worth hearing.

Don Charles

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Message: 5
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:38:05 EDT
   From: Jason 
Subject: Re: London's a Lonely Town

spectropop writes:

> Yeah, that's a phenomenal track. For those who haven't
> heard it this is Edmunds with the California Music
> regulars (Boettcher, Johnston, Usher, Melcher, though
> no Brian Wilson unlike the usual credits read), 

Hi Andrew...

How did you find this out for certain (Brian not on the
record)?  Has he denied it publically?  Just curious,


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Message: 6
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:00:09 -0600
   From: "Joseph Scott" 
Subject: Soft psych in '66

Hi Jimmy, Alan, and all,

I think "psychedelic music" basically means music that
>from the standpoint of the artist had some sort of actual
relationship to psychedelic drugs -- "psychedelic" of
course was a word that was invented in the '50s
specifically to refer to certain drugs including LSD, and
that specific meaning was the one and only meaning of
"psychedelic" that was well-known to musicians and music
fans in the '60s. I think reasonable people can disagree
about what kind of relationship that has to be, about how
narrow or wide we ought to be about categorizing tunes as
"not" "psychedelic music," and about whether "psychedelic
music" ought to include situations in which people
deliberately made psychedelic-music-like "freak" music
even though they didn't approve of the use of
psychedelics (e.g. Zappa).

The way I look at it, the idea that macho heaviness (i.e.
lack of soft-pop-ness) is part of what makes a tune "pure
psychedelia" is a myth, a myth that has resulted from
fans of so-called garage rock appropriating the word
"psychedelic" since the early '70s to describe their own
favorite subset of psychedelic music (and too often,
garage music that is actually hardly psychedelics-related
at all). I don't think anyone in the fall of '66 was
listening to music such as Donovan's "The Trip" and
saying, it's pretty good, but if it sounded more like
Hendrix it would be more "psychedelic." Because that
supposed standard didn't really exist then, imo. "Flower
power" was about _not_ worrying about being macho.

Donovan's a good example -- although he tends not to get
the credit, he was considered a stylistic innovator
during '65-'67 by just about everyone including the
Beatles (who were one of the earlier rock groups into
psychedelic music themselves), and "Sunny Goodge Street"
>from '65, the U.S. Sunshine Superman album, etc.
represent a guy leading the pack re psych music, and as
often as not playing in pretty much a soft pop way
(because no one expected him not to).

Re the Association, their "Pandora's Golden Heebie
Jeebies" is a '66 psychedelic single imo, and a good one.

I agree with Jimmy that '66 was a special year, when the
sudden acceptance of the combining of contemporary
teen-oriented music with jazz-, classical-, etc.
influenced folk/"beatnik" music opened up all kinds of
new possibilities, only some of which were really
explored much during the later years of the '60s.

Some more '66 stuff that is in the general ballpark of
"soft psych" is 
"Remember," Association
"I'm Only Sleeping," Beatles
"Love Seems Doomed," Blues Magoos
"Steve's Song," Blues Project
"Section 43," Country Joe and the Fish
"Dance Of The Freak-Gropers," Fugs
"Electric Tomorrow," Electric Tomorrow
"Runnin' 'Round This World," Jefferson Airplane
"Orange Skies," Love
"Flowers In My Mind," Rockin' Ramrods
"Turn To Earth," Al Stewart

(Of course psychedelic music didn't become widely known
to music fans as a style until '67 -- a list of '67
soft-psych tunes would be much, much longer than a '66

Joseph Scott

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Message: 7
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:34:17 EDT
   From: Matthew 
Subject: Sunshine Company CD's


I have heard that the Sunshine Company CD put out by
Rev-Ola has some previously unreleased tracks.  If so,
could someone tell me the titles of those tracks?  While
I'm on the subject of Rev-Ola......Did their reissue of
The Third Rail "ID Music" include any bonus tracks?

A new CD compilation, "The Best of The Sunshine Company"
has just been released by Collectors Choice Music.  How
do the 2 Sunshine Company CD's compare in terms of track
selection and sound quality?



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Message: 8
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:25:56 +1000
   From: "Lindsay Martin" 
Subject: Re: Gene Pitney gig review

Stewart Mason wrote:

>For the hour
>and 15 minutes that Gene Pitney was onstage, this was a
>rock and roll show, and without question one of the
>finest I've ever seen.

Phew! What a relief!  After recommending Gene's concert
to Stewart I was dreading that he might for some reason
not enjoy it.  If my recommendation included a couple of
reservations, it was only because two people I'd urged to
go to Gene's last concert in our town unaccountably came
away disappointed, but I suspect they were not
dyed-in-the-wool fans, either of Gene or pure joyous 60s

Stewart's account echoes my experience here in Australia,
right down to the immaculately rehearsed local musos (one
rehearsal here too, as I recall), the excellent voice,
and the often intelligent choice of material.

I should've added that the arrangements weren't
necessarily note-by-note reproductions of the original
hits: for example "Town Without Pity" was an improvement
on the original recording. This is what marks the still
vital performer from the ancient star going through the
paces, and as Stewart points out, Gene certainly ain't
the latter.


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Message: 9
   Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:50:11 +0900
   From: LePageWeb 
Subject: Pitney Review

Just had to write a note to express big thanks to Stewart
for a wonderful review. I really felt like I was there! I
particularly found this funny:

> This lineup sucked when the Doors had it and it sucks now. 


Thanks again,


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Message: 10
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:18:17 EDT
   From: Will George 
Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett

In a message dated 10/16/01, spectropop writes:

> BTW did Snuff ever work with any female singers/groups?
> Just Curious!

He cut a lot of hits for Cher in the 70s, including her
"trilogy" Gypsies Tramps & Thieves, Half-Breed, and
Dark Lady.

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Message: 11
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:27:38 -0700
   From: "gregg luvoxx" 

I'm still waiting for the Townshend/Spector piano story.

> Phil, I'm sure Townsend is referring to the "piano"
> incident you've told me about and alluded to above. I
> reckon Spectropoppers are gagging to hear the full
> story. Go on, be a devil, do tell.

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Message: 12
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 06:28:59 -0000
   From: Peter van Dam 
Subject: more pictures in the Photos folder for Phil Spector!

Hi folks,

There are only six photographs in the folder for Phil
Spector. Where are the others linked to his music and
people who worked with him? Please add your rare
photographic material to this site. In Mojo Collections
Autumm issue 2001, there is a very rare picture of Phil
and Jack Nitzche which I never had seen before. Also there
was one of Carole Kaye and an article on some of the much
searched after singles.

Dear Mr. Hal Blaine, outstanding session drummer you must
have a large collection of pictures? Please show us how it
was there. I look forward to see it in the photo section
of this site.

Dear Michael Ochs you must have the largest collection in
your archives, please let us know!!


Peter van Dam


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Message: 13
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:18:31 EDT
   From: Will George 
Subject: Yes Sir, That's My Baby

There was an "all-star" single of this song in the 60s,
featuring Brian Wilson, Sonny & Cher, Jackie DeShannon,
Darlene Love, and more. Did Phil Spector produce this? I
only have a tape copy, but it sure sounds like it could
be his work. 

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Message: 14
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:20:35 EDT
   From: Matthew 
Subject: Re: Phil on Jeannie TV

Hi Mark,

In addition to "Out & About", Boyce & Hart perform "Girl,
I'm Out To Get You", which appears on the duo's "Test
Patterns" LP.  I think "I Wonder What She's Doing
Tonight" can be heard in the background in one of the
scenes as well.


Mark Landwehr wrote:

> Hey, Spectropoppers...I would like to know the name of
> one of the songs done by Boyce & Hart on the "I Dream
> of Jeannie" episode that Uncle Phil appeared in...
> The episode was called "Jeannie the Hip Hippie" I
> believe, and B&H sang "Out and About" and one other
> song...I saw it, but the mind is weak...I figure if
> anyone knows, it's the Spectropop gang!!!
> Thanks, Mark

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Message: 15
   Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:40:35 -0500
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: Ellie Greenwich

>Any idea where this CD can be bought on the net ?

Hey Frank...I'm the one who first wrote about the Ellie
Greenwich 2-CD set earlier this past week.  I picked it
up by chance in the new arrivals CD bin at a GREAT oldies
shop not too far fropm where I live--Chicago suburbs.  By
chance I mean that I was totally surprised when I saw it
becauase I usually am pretty much aware of new releases
both domestic and import.  If you care to scroll down you
will see the second installment in this series, a 2-CD
set by Carole King with a representative customer review.
I include this listing from Amazon to provide info about
the series and the Carole King material and also to say
that if Amazon lists the Carole King CD it probably will
soon list the Ellie Greenwich set.  Makes sense although
Amazon does not carry the 3-CD set by Barry Mann.  I am
sure some mail order firm that advertises in Goldmine
will soon carry the CD.  If not, e-mail me Frank and I
will see if the shop near my home would be willing to
sell it via mail order.  -Bob Conway

Brill Building Legends [IMPORT]
Carole King

List Price: $34.49
Our Price: $34.49
Audio CD (August 17, 2000)

Reper; ASIN: B000056H90 Sales Rank: 114,275
Track Listings
1. Oh Neil
2. (Living My Life) For The Love Of A Girl
3. It Might As Well Rain Until September
4. Look Who's Talkin
5. Under The Stars
6. Disappointed
7. Crying In The Rain
8. He Who Takes Good Care Of Your Baby
9. Breaking Up Is Hard To Do
10. Samson & Delilah
11. Short Mort
12. In My Baby's Eyes
13. Baby Sittin
14. Same Old Reliable Me
15. He's A Bad Boy
16. A Wonderful Dream
17. Oh Oh It Started All Over Again
18. Take Good Care Of My Baby
19. School Bells Are Ringing
20. Dreamin About You
21. Nobody's Perfect
22. Carole
23. A Very Special Boy
24. How Many Tears
25. I Can't Behave Myself
26. Walkin With My Angel
27. Another Night With The Boys
28. We Grew Up Together
29. Nothing Is Impossible
30. Right Girl
31. Even If I Wanted To
32. Queen Of The Beach
33. Boomerang
34. I've Got Nothing Left Written
35. Nothing's Impossible
36. Dear Mr Dj Play It Again
37. I Didn't Have Any Summer Romance
38. There Goes My Lover
39. Some Of Your Lovin
40. Loved Loved Loved
41. Once A Fool Always A Fool
42. Goin Wild
43. Sixteen Cubes Of Sugar
44. Your Letter Will Kiss Me Goodnight
45. That's What I Call True Love
46. Deep In My Heart
47. A Road To Nowhere
48. Sheik
49. A Million Years Too Late
50. One Wonderful Night
51. She Don't Deserve You
52. You Turn Me On Boy
53. Some Of Your Lovin
54. Make The Night A Little Longer
55. You're The Only One (Who Understands Me) (Barry Ma
56. Hey Little Play Girl (Barry Mann)
57. (Let's Have A) Private Party (Barry Mann)

Editorial Reviews
Album Details
57 Tracks; 31 Unreleased from 1958-1964.
Lots of Demos and Rarities From Carole's Hit-Writing
Days!, October 1, 2001 
Reviewer: Christopher L. Dolmetsch from Hurricane, WV

This is an interesting collection from the perspective
that it presents lots of unreleased (31!) and very rare
songs from Carole King's songwriting days at the Brill
Building with then-husband Gerry Goffin. Some of these
were actually issued by Carole herself, but the majority
are still associated with other Top 40 performers (Bobby
Vee, the Everly Brothers, the Drifters). Many of these
are clearly publishers' demos with sparse instrumental
accompaniment, while others were clearly complete
sessions. Although the sound on a couple of tracks
suffers slightly from compression (possibily the result
of using acetates and some multi-generational tapes) the
majority sound remarkably clean and bright. It is
dubious whether Carole herself participated in the
release of this compilation (Brill Tone Records/ Made in
Germany smacks of borderline legitimacy), but even if
not there is nothing for her to regret or be ashamed of
in this 57 track collection. It certainly is a joy to
hear these songs done by their composer and then be able
to compare them to the hits with which we are so
familiar today.

Bob Conway

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Message: 16
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:28:38 -0700
   From: Alan Gordon 
Subject: Elle et al

"Paul Payton" wrote:
> Second, what is the scoop on these Brill-Tone CD's? Any
> help in finding them?

I was about to ask this same question.  Even though it's
absolutely wonderful to hear all these great demos, etc.,
I'm amazed at the producers lack of design and technical
skills.  The tracks on all three of their releases are
seemingly random (it would have been great to hear them
chronological, but that's my particular preference).  The
graphics and layout are extremely lame.  And some of the
liner notes seem translated from another language to me.
Of course they may just be written by someone with
limited syntax skills.

Also:  I just picked up the Elle Greenwich 2 cd Brill
Tone set just yesterday (thanx to this great newsletter),
so I haven't been able to give it a proper perusal as yet.
But for anyone who hasn't purchased it:  I saw a nice
2fer of Ms. Greenwich's two albums under here own name. 
I'm glad I elected to think about it before buying.  The
Brill set has those two albums in their entirety, albeit
in very strange order.  I'm assuming the producer put all
the songs on their computer and let it randomly choose an
order. sigh.

> Third: Welcome, Alan Gordon. Are you the person who
> wrote "Me About You" (and other songs) with Garry Bonner?
> His recording of that track (Columbia 45 - don't think
> there was an LP) is one of my all-time faves.

Nope... sorry... damn, wish I were... great songs. 
Actually I write and draw comicbooks for a living. 
Remember those old four color things that kids used to
read and you used to be able to buy at any drug store?

Al Gordon 

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Message: 17
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:25:17 +0000
   From: "Don Charles" 
Subject: Re: Ellie Greenwich and Jeff Barry

Bob wrote:
>Yeah another pleasant surprise courtesy of the modern
>marvel of CD technology.  Great pix in the liner notes as
>well.  This is the third installment (I think)--I own the
>3-CD set by Barry Mann, the two-CD set by Carole King,
>and now this wonderful 2-CD set by Ellie...

There is also a Brill Tone 2-CD set featuring Jeff Barry
singles and demos called MR. MAKE BELIEVE.  (I can't
believe I'm helping promote this bootleg!)

Don Charles

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Message: 18
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:17:53 +0100 (BST)
   From: Mick Patrick 


Within just hours of becoming aware via Spectropop of
Brill Tone Records' new double bootleg CD by my heroine
ELLIE GREENWICH I received a communication from Bob
Thomas informing me that he had copies in stock, should 
I want one.

I've had anti-bootleg rants in the past but serious
collectors and enthusiasts like myself just gotta have
items like this. Put 17 unissued Ellie demos on a legal
CD and I'd buy it. Let's face it, that ain't gonna happen.
Until it does I applaud Brill Tone (whoever they really
are) and eagerly await their next release. Who will the
next object of their attention be? Tony Orlando? Neil
Sedaka? Dee Dee Warwick? Van McCoy? We shall see.

One observation I made of Brill Tone's Barry Mann, Jeff
Barry and Carole King releases was the disappointingly
early cut-off period. That criticism doesn't apply to the
Ellie CDs. Of the 56 featured cuts, 17 (I think) are
unissued Greenwich demos. At first glance (the print is
rather undersized for us presbyopes) 8 of those tracks
were recorded in 1964 or later. So there's plenty of
prime period Ellie.

On first hearing I find the standout tracks to be Ellie's
original demos of "House Of Gold", "He's Got Something",
"I'll Try Anything", "Time To Go" and "She's A Liar" all
of which were written or co-written by Mark Barkan. I
seem to recall a rather marvellous interview with that
great songwriter some years ago in which he said that
Ellie Greenwich was his favourite demo singer. Buy this
CD and you'll understand why.


PS: If someone at Brill Tone Records would care to
contact me privately I will gladly inform them who
'officially' recorded some of the above-mentioned songs. 

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Message: 19
   Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:48:52 -0700
   From: "Ken Levine" 
Subject: Re: Ellie Greenwich

Where can you buy these CD's????


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Message: 20
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:09:36 -0400
   From: "Ed Rothstein" 
Subject: Brill-tone and the buns

I usually find such stuff as Brill-tone at 
or try Midnight Records in NYC.

I asked Dean about the line, "busting your buns" 
backstage during an interview. He rolled his eyes and

Ed Rothstein

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Message: 21
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:47:13 -0700
   From: "Randy M. Kosht" 
Subject: The Bonce

To Phil Chapman:

Thanks for explaining "bonce."  That was a U.K. term I
didn't know.


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Message: 22
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:08:05 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Andrew Hickey 
Subject: Re: London's a Lonely Town

> How did you find this out for certain (Brian not on
> the record)?  Has he denied it publically?  Just
> curious, thanks.

I honestly can't remember my source - I think it may
have been Edmunds' website 
but I remember it being fairly convincing. For quite a
while after that I still harboured doubts (I was
convinced it was BW singing the 'my woodie's outside'
bits) but listening back I don't think he's on there at

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Message: 23
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:41:57 +0100 (BST)
   From: Paul Woods 
Subject: (Very) common language!

Phil said:

> Up until this thread I, too, always sang "..bust your
> bonce..", as in break your skull open, which was the
> more usual consequence of skateboarding on the
> pavement in 60s UK.

That's the interpretation I had, mainly because "buns"
was not a common phrase over here in the sixties.

Reminds me of the shock I gave a young American girl,
working on our library issue desk, way back in the early
seventies, when I said to her "Have you got a rubber I
can use? I don't want to go downstairs to fetch mine."
She blushed bright red, and fell into a state of babbling

She recovered when I explained to her what we call
erasers over here; and did agree, some months later, to
go with me to see The Crystals who were supposed to be
performing in Bristol.  Sadly the gig was cancelled. 


Paul, who didn't for a minute think that Mick's "sow" was
anything but a typo...

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Message: 24
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:58:55 -0400
   From: "Vlaovic B" 
Subject: The Cake, the sow and other things

Hmmm perhaps someone can help.  One of my favourite
undiscovered LPs of the sixties is the first LP by
last-gasp psych-Girl Group 'The Cake'.  Wow I think this
is an amazing LP. It has been talked about on this forum.
It'd be too much to think that this one has been issued
on CD (Although my copy is still in remarkably great
shape), I know some of the tracks have been, esp. the
Spectorish tracks on the first side.  Can anyone point
me in the direction of any available CD compilations
wherein I might find these slices of Girl group heaven...
Also I've heard a number of tracks by Peanut (actually
session singer extraordinaire Katy Kissoon!).  I've got
some of these tracks on 'Here Come the Girls' Comps
(none of which are exceptional), but really want her
cover of the Beach Boys Pet Sounds track 'I'm Waiting
for the Day'. Any idea where it can be found?

Also I accept the typo error 'Sow vs Show'.  All is
forgiven.  I recently stumbled upon my video copy of
Girl Groups:  Story of a Sound.  When during her
interview, Ronnie Spector breaks into an impromptu
version of 'Why do Fools...', it's just astonishing. 
All of sudden that miraculous voice breaks through, a
bit scratchy, but soooo disarming!  If only I could find
my UK documentary of Phil Spector, I think it was a TV4
production!  It even had an interview with Albert there's a sow!


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Message: 25
   Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:54:15 -0700
   From: Carol Kaye 
Subject: Re: Ronnie

I worked on the Ronnie and the Ronettes tracks for Phil
Spector and this business of keeping on repeating what
looks to me like typo about Ronnie is not right...I have
to protest.  She's a nice lady, good talent and would
appreciate some respect here, thank-you.

Carol Kaye

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