________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ There are 18 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 268: 1. Surf you right... From: Paul Woods 2. Re: Gene Pitney: Ellie Greenwich From: "Robert Conway" 3. Gene Pitney CD of new recordings From: Ruben Zucchello 4. snuff From: Alan Zweig 5. Ron Winters From: "Guy L" 6. Gene Pitney From: "Ed Rothstein" 7. Re: Tradewinds LP From: "Randy M. Kosht" 8. RE: Tradewinds From: "guille milkyway" 9. Re: Tradewinds From: Dan Hughes 10. Re: Tradewinds LP From: David Feldman 11. Re: Tradewinds From: "Nick Archer" 12. Re: Tradewinds From: "Robert Conway" 13. Re: Tradewinds, Cher; Ivy From: "Paul Payton" 14. Re: Tradewinds From: LePageWeb 15. Re: Tradewinds From: Stephane Rebeschini 16. Pitney/Diamonds From: "Paul Payton" 17. Spector's Top 10 entries From: Charles Treavers 18. Re: Digest Number 266 (No Sows 'ere!) From: Paul Woods ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:36:05 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Paul Woods Subject: Surf you right... While shambling to work this morning, I was almost decapitated by a spotty 13-year-old skateboarder getting in some preschool practice on College Green. My fault, I wasn't looking where I was going. After thumping the little bugger anyway, I continued on my way and found myself humming (no doubt triggered by the incident) Jan and Dean's "Sidewalk surfing" >from the days when friends of mine (if not me myself!) had also indulged in skateboard activities. And it struck me: in all these years I've never managed to understand what the words of the chanted chorus are! "Don't be afraid to try the newest sport around..." chorus: "Bust your bonce...bust your bonce" ?!?! Can anyone put me out of my misery and give me the correct version of this mondegreen? Cheers, Paul ************************************************************* Paul Woods, Assistant Librarian, Social Sciences, Arts & Social Sciences Library, University of Bristol Information Services, Home Page: http://info.bris.ac.uk/~lipw/paulhome.htm ************************************************************ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:37:04 -0500 From: "Robert Conway" Subject: Re: Gene Pitney: Ellie Greenwich > Stewart wrote: > > > Gene's playing a Rock and Roll Revival show here in > > Albuquerque (with full orchestra, according to the radio > > ads) on Saturday. Has anybody seen our Gene recently?, > John Frank wrote: > > I have no first-hand knowledge, but...I gather... Gene has > lost none of his vocal power over the years and is still > a fine, generous performer, respectful of his fans. I'd > go to see him in a sec. While visiting one of my favorite local LP/CD shops I encountered one of the "regulars" who usually either shares a great CD find or has a question or two that he hopes I can answer. He informed me that he went to a Chicagoland LP/CD show last weekend and because he couldn't find anything he didn't already have and because he just couldn't go home empty-handed he decided to buy a UK CD--most likely a bootleg--of a recent concert by Gene Pitney. Although the quality was "OK" the sound of Pitney's voice remains outstanding. And what a catalog Gene amassed. As a kid I always looked forward to each new Musicor release. I would go to see the current-day Gene Pitney in a heartbeat. I also managed to look at the new CD import section and found the third installment in the Brill Building Sounds: "Be My Baby" by Ellie Greenwich--a 2-CD set with 56 tracks and 21 unreleased songs. It even includes a very early, "never heard before" Carole King demo from an acetate called "Don't Count Your Chickens"! (The exclamation point is mine.) Bob Conway --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:48:45 -0300 (ART) From: Ruben Zucchello Subject: Gene Pitney CD of new recordings During the past 3 years or some I?ve read that a Gene Pitney?s CD of NEW recordings is soon to appear, but I never found it available. Anyone knows news about it? Thank you, Ruben. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:53:22 -0400 From: Alan Zweig Subject: snuff .>Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett > .>In the 50's, Snuff Garrett worked for a while with Julie >London. In 1974, he produced an awful "lounge pop" album >"Like Good Wine. I only have a CD burn so I can't check out the credits but didn't Snuff produce that, in my opinion, fantastic "Bacharach Baroque" record? (There was also a German record of the same name. I don't mean that one.) Proving to me once again that some may have been geniuses but almost everyone stumbled upon it inadvertently once or twice. Which sort of reminds me of the long Bill Medley vs. Spector debate, on which I had neither knowledge nor an opinion. But it occurred to me that anyone with a good teacher, great musicians, a good song and studio time could stumble upon a great record. It seems to me that a lot of the music from this period which I love, were just experiments that happened to work out. It wasn't a matter of knowing what they were doing. It was a matter of throwing stuff against the wall and hoping that this time it would actually look like something. So Snuff may have ruined a few records with the stuff he threw against the wall but at least once, he produced a Picasso. AZ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:38:37 +0100 From: "Guy L" Subject: Ron Winters I've been a silent Spectropop member for a while now - happy just to watch the Reparata and the Delrons mail flood in - but I think it's about time I joined in. Firstly I like to add my voice to the pro - Harpers Bizarre campaign. There certainly were some weird sounds coming out of Burbank in the late sixties and their first four albums (there was another around '72) are surely the greatest thing that scene produced. If the powers that be at Sundazed are listening, by the way, when are you going to reissue the Raiders christmas album? Finally, can anyone out there tell me anything about Ron Winters who released the superb "My Girl / Big Black Bike" on Smash, produced and written by the Feldman-Goldstein- Gottehrer team? Regards, Guy L. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:49:50 -0400 From: "Ed Rothstein" Subject: Gene Pitney Stewart Mason wrote: > > Has anybody seen our Gene recently? Has he still got > his chops, or will it just make me sad and > uncomfortable I saw Gene at a town fair here in Baltimore a few years ago. It was great! He sounds fine. Enjoy! Ed Rothstein --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:13:42 -0700 From: "Randy M. Kosht" Subject: Re: Tradewinds LP >Does anyone know if there was ever a Trade Winds LP? James, There was indeed, on Kama Sutra, and it contained both of the hits. I think I saw it once in a used record store for a dime(!!), back in the '60s. The catalog number was 8057 if I remember correctly... --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:22:25 +0200 From: "guille milkyway" Subject: RE: Tradewinds james boticelli asked: > Does anyone know if there was ever a Trade Winds LP? yes, there was. just one. but a really beautiful one. sometimes seen on ebay and similars. guille milkyway --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:59:55 -0500 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: Tradewinds Jimmy B asks: > Does anyone know if there was ever a Trade Winds LP? Yep, on Kama Sutra in 1967. And Peter Anders did a solo LP (I'm pretty sure Poncia was prominent on it), and they also recorded as the Mulberry Fruit Band, the Penny Arcade, Pete and Vinnie, the Treasures, and the Videls. ---Dan --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:14:20 -0000 From: David Feldman Subject: Re: Tradewinds LP "Randy M. Kosht" wrote: > I think I saw [the Tradewinds album] once in a used > record store for a dime(!!), back in the '60s. I guess I got ripped off. Cost me a quarter. > The catalog number was 8057 if I remember correctly... You are correct, sir. It's a fine album, called "Excursions." 8 out of the 10 songs are written by Anders-Poncia. It is charming now for the same reason it was reviled then (and cost 25 cents) -- it is beautifully crafted soft pop, with only the trappings of psychedelia. Only one song, the epic, "Little Susan's Dreamin' (2:58), is longer than two minutes thirty seconds and three are under two minutes. I think the song, "Mind Excursion," holds up particularly well, with its lush, open melody and lovely lead vocal, to me the most heartfelt in the Anders-Poncia canon. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:24:49 -0500 From: "Nick Archer" Subject: Re: Tradewinds > Does anyone know if there was ever a Trade Winds LP? > James Botticelli I have a copy of a Tradewinds LP called "Excursions", Kama-Sutra KLPS8057. Here's the track listing... Side 1 Mind Excursion Catch Me In the Meadow Bad Misunderstanding New York's a Lonely Town I Believe In Her Side Two Only When I'm Dreamin Small Town Bring Down To Be With You Huggin In the Hall Little Susan's Dreamin Nick Archer Nashville, Tennessee --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:01:25 -0500 From: "Robert Conway" Subject: Re: Tradewinds James Botticelli wrote: >Does anyone know if there was ever a Trade Winds LP? I owned a 1965-66 Kama Sutra LP by the Tradewinds. It was very good of course. I don't like to compare artists but let me say this: where New York's a Lonely Town was very Brian Wilson-like, most of the LP had a mid-late Rascals/Felix Caviliare-light sound. I am pretty sure the LP plus is available as an import CD. By the way, Anders and Poncia had a great LP in the late sixties on WB called I belive just "Anders and Poncia." I am waiting for CD reissue--Rhino execs are you listening? Vinny Poncia produced some early Melissa Manchester LPs but after that I am clueless. P.S. I just found an import in the VA section of my collection that you may like to own: "Mynd Excursions" (A Journey through the Vaults of Buddah/Kama Sutra) Sequel NEX CD 237 (1993) It has seven tracks by the Trade Winds; one by Pete Anders; six by the Innocence. CD also features the Carole King tune "I happen to Love You" circa 1969 by the Myddle Class. This is a great CD. Bob Conway --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:40:33 -0400 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Re: Tradewinds, Cher; Ivy James Botticelli wrote: "Does anyone know if there was ever a Trade Winds LP?" I believe there was on Kama Sutra. I don't remember anything about it, though.... For the man from KPFK: Cher's "A Woman's Story" is one of my all-time fave Spector productions and defninite my fave Cher track. In fact, it's the only one I play - since I have a DJ copy, I've never heard the flip. Was there an LP too? Being recent to this list, I don't know if it's cool to suggest a new track which has exactly "our" feel - Ivy's "Edge of the Ocean" on their latest CD, "Long Distance." Sha-la-la's and all - a real treat. (Rest of the CD is quite fine, too, but more contemporary.) Paul --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 14 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:46:18 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: Re: Tradewinds In 1966, Artie Ripp signed Anders and Poncia to Kama Sutra while they were working for Leiber/Stoller's Red Bird Records. As the Tradewinds, they released three singles on Red Bird, including their smash "New York's A Lonely Town". Out of the six sides they released on Red Bird, only "New York's A Lonely Town" was included on the later Kama Sutra album. RB10-020, Jan 1965 The Tradewinds New York's A Lonely Town / Club Seventeen RB10-028, Apr 1965 The Tradewinds The Girl From Greenwich Village / There's A Rock & Roll Show In Town RB10-033, Jul 1965 The Tradewinds Summertime Girl / The Party Starts At Nine Nearly all the sides are East Coast Surf, the exception being Summertime Girl, which hints strongly at the soft pop sound they would craft at Kama Sutra as the Tradewinds, Innocence, etc. As a side note, there are probably many interesting stories, seeing as how Ripp had apprenticed under the talented but troubled George Goldner. George was a partner in Red Bird with Leiber and Stoller. The version of "New York's..." on the Kama Sutra album is the same version as the Red Bird master. Didn't Artie Ripp have an override deal with Leiber and Stoller for the Shangs? The intrigue boggles the mind. Also, the Tradewinds album wasn't the only Kama Sutra album to end up in the 50 cent bins. Top selling Lovin' Spoonful records as well as most hit MGM distributed artists (e.g., Animals, Herman's Hermits) were in the bargain bins for far longer than reasonable. I'm not going to accuse these labels of manufacturing and dumping product as royalty free cut-outs, especially in these days when we are often reminded how the labels are so very copyright-conscious, but some have remarked how strange it was at the time that Who, Kinks, Yardbirds, Animals and Manfred Mann definitive albums all remained available for YEARS in the bargain bins for 49 cents. Of course now we know better. They were just...left over, right? Anyway, bringing this mind excursion back to the subject at hand, Anders and Poncia wrote essential sides for Spector, too. How Does it Feel is a personal favorite. Also had a 64 release as the TREASURES - Hold Me Tight/Pete Meets Vinnie (SHIRLEY 500). This is on the recently discussed 5 CD Spector Sessions where Phil goes into a mock Liverpudlian accent during the date and breaks all the session cats up. Isn't that the same one where he goes into a grandma voice and announces he has chocolates for everyone after the session? Ah...Peter Andreoli and Vincent Poncia Jr. - they made some of my favorite records! Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 15 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:47:12 +0200 From: Stephane Rebeschini Subject: Re: Tradewinds James Botticelli wrote: > > Does anyone know if there was ever a Trade Winds LP? > ----------- Hi There is a Trade Winds LP, released like The Innocence on Kama Sutra You can read a bit more more about these groups here: http://www.spectropop.com/go2/delerium.html This site is clearly focused on rock, garage, psych rock... but also include many pop rock, sunshine pop, soft rock groups. Stephane --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 16 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:35:36 -0400 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Pitney/Diamonds Stewart Mason wrote: > Gene [Pitney]'s playing a Rock and Roll Revival show > here in Albuquerque (with full orchestra, according > to the radio ads) on Saturday. Has anybody seen our > Gene recently? Has he still got his chops, or will it > just make me sad and uncomfortable? (I'm assuming > that the opening act, David Sommerville of the > Diamonds, will make me sad and uncomfortable all by > himself.) I haven't, but a friend whose taste I trust saw him in CT recently, and said that his chops are intact and working very well! (He's somewhat older and wider than he used to be - but aren't we all?!) I have no knowledge of David Sommerville's performance, but considering the distance from the Diamonds' hitmaking days, it should be a treat for the curious no matter what. Some of their covers were lame, but I think "Little Darlin" and "Walking Along" cut the originals, and "She Say" always impressed me - what a bass! Please post a review of the show, if you would. Country Paul --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 17 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:12:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Treavers Subject: Spector's Top 10 entries Marc Wielage wrote; > Small correction: Spector had TWENTY-ONE Top 10 records > on the U.S. BILLBOARD charts, as follows: > 2/19/1966 | #1 (3 wks.) - The Righteous Brothers: > "(You're My) Soul and Inspiration" Big corrrection Marc, Phil Spector didn't produce this track, it was produced by Bill Medley and there is no debate about that. Charles. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 18 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:51:32 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Paul Woods Subject: Re: Digest Number 266 (No Sows 'ere!) Micka gave an entertaining account of a Ronnie Spector performance, ending with: > I wonder how much I'll remember of this sow in another > twenty-odd years. Come, come, Mick, that's a rather harsh description of my favourite Ronette! Paul Woods --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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