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Topics in this  Digest Number 268:

      1. Surf you right...
           From: Paul Woods 
      2. Re: Gene Pitney: Ellie Greenwich
           From: "Robert Conway" 
      3. Gene Pitney CD of new recordings
           From: Ruben Zucchello 
      4. snuff
           From: Alan Zweig 
      5. Ron Winters
           From: "Guy L" 
      6. Gene Pitney
           From: "Ed Rothstein" 
      7. Re: Tradewinds LP
           From: "Randy M. Kosht" 
      8. RE: Tradewinds
           From: "guille milkyway" 
      9. Re: Tradewinds
           From: Dan Hughes 
     10. Re: Tradewinds LP
           From: David Feldman 
     11. Re: Tradewinds
           From: "Nick Archer" 
     12. Re: Tradewinds
           From: "Robert Conway" 
     13. Re: Tradewinds, Cher; Ivy
           From: "Paul Payton" 
     14. Re: Tradewinds
           From: LePageWeb 
     15. Re: Tradewinds
           From: Stephane Rebeschini 
     16. Pitney/Diamonds
           From: "Paul Payton" 
     17. Spector's Top 10 entries
           From: Charles Treavers 
     18. Re: Digest Number 266 (No Sows 'ere!)
           From: Paul Woods 


Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:36:05 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
   From: Paul Woods 
Subject: Surf you right...

While shambling to work this morning, I was almost
decapitated by a spotty 13-year-old skateboarder
getting in some preschool practice on College Green.
My fault, I wasn't looking where I was going.

After thumping the little bugger anyway,  I continued
on my way and found myself humming (no doubt triggered
by the incident) Jan and Dean's "Sidewalk surfing"
>from the days when friends of mine (if not me myself!)
had also indulged in skateboard activities.  

And it struck me: in all these years I've never
managed to understand what the words of the chanted
chorus are!

"Don't be afraid to try the newest sport around..."

chorus: "Bust your bonce...bust your bonce" ?!?!

Can anyone put me out of my misery and give me the
correct version of this mondegreen?



Paul Woods,
Assistant Librarian, Social Sciences,   
Arts & Social Sciences Library, 
University of Bristol Information Services,
Home Page:


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Message: 2
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:37:04 -0500
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: Gene Pitney: Ellie Greenwich

> Stewart wrote:
> > Gene's playing a Rock and Roll Revival show here in
> > Albuquerque (with full orchestra, according to the radio
> > ads) on Saturday.  Has anybody seen our Gene recently?,
John Frank wrote:
> I have no first-hand knowledge, but...I gather... Gene has
> lost none of his vocal power over the years and is still
> a fine, generous performer, respectful of his fans. I'd
> go to see him in a sec. 

While visiting one of my favorite local LP/CD shops I
encountered one of the "regulars" who usually either
shares a great CD find or has a question or two that he
hopes I can answer.  He informed me that he went to a
Chicagoland LP/CD show last weekend and because he
couldn't find anything he didn't already have and because
he just couldn't go home empty-handed he decided to buy a
UK CD--most likely a bootleg--of a recent concert by Gene
Pitney.  Although the quality was "OK" the sound of
Pitney's voice remains outstanding.  And what a catalog
Gene amassed.  As a kid I always looked forward to each
new Musicor release.  I would go to see the current-day
Gene Pitney in a heartbeat.  

I also managed to look at the new CD import section and
found the third installment in the Brill Building Sounds:
"Be My Baby" by Ellie Greenwich--a  2-CD set with 56
tracks and 21 unreleased songs.  It even includes a very
early, "never heard before" Carole King demo from an
acetate called "Don't Count Your Chickens"! (The
exclamation point is mine.)

Bob Conway

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Message: 3
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:48:45 -0300 (ART)
   From: Ruben Zucchello 
Subject: Gene Pitney CD of new recordings

During the past 3 years or some I?ve read that a Gene
Pitney?s CD of NEW recordings is soon to appear, but I
never found it available. Anyone knows news about it?

Thank you,

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Message: 4
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:53:22 -0400
   From: Alan Zweig 
Subject: snuff

.>Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett
.>In the 50's, Snuff Garrett worked for a while with Julie
>London. In 1974, he produced an awful "lounge pop" album
>"Like Good Wine.

I only have a CD burn so I can't check out the credits
but didn't Snuff produce that, in my opinion, fantastic
"Bacharach Baroque" record?  (There was also a German
record of the same name.  I don't mean that one.) Proving
to me once again that some may have been geniuses but
almost everyone stumbled upon it inadvertently once or

Which sort of reminds me of the long Bill Medley vs.
Spector debate, on which I had neither knowledge nor an

But it occurred to me that anyone with a good teacher,
great musicians, a good song and studio time could
stumble upon a great record.

It seems to me that a lot of the music from this period
which I love, were just experiments that happened to work
out.  It wasn't a matter of knowing what they were doing.
It was a matter of throwing stuff against the wall and
hoping that this time it would actually look like

So Snuff may have ruined a few records with the stuff he
threw against the wall but at least once, he produced a


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Message: 5
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:38:37 +0100
   From: "Guy L" 
Subject: Ron Winters

I've been a silent Spectropop member for a while now -
happy just to watch the Reparata and the Delrons mail
flood in - but I think it's about time I joined in.

Firstly I like to add my voice to the pro - Harpers
Bizarre campaign. There certainly were some weird sounds
coming out of Burbank in the late sixties and their first
four albums (there was another around '72) are surely the
greatest thing that scene produced.

If the powers that be at Sundazed are listening, by the
way, when are you going to reissue the Raiders christmas

Finally, can anyone out there tell me anything about Ron
Winters who released the superb "My Girl / Big Black Bike"
on Smash, produced and written by the Feldman-Goldstein-
Gottehrer team? 
Guy L.

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Message: 6
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:49:50 -0400
   From: "Ed Rothstein" 
Subject: Gene Pitney

Stewart Mason wrote:
> Has anybody seen our Gene recently? Has he still got
> his chops, or will it just make me sad and
> uncomfortable
I saw Gene at a town fair here in Baltimore a few years
ago. It was great! He sounds fine. Enjoy!

Ed Rothstein

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Message: 7
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:13:42 -0700
   From: "Randy M. Kosht" 
Subject: Re: Tradewinds LP

>Does anyone know if there was ever a Trade Winds LP?


There was indeed, on Kama Sutra, and it contained both
of the hits.  I think I saw it once in a used record
store for a dime(!!), back in the '60s.

The catalog number was 8057 if I remember correctly...

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Message: 8
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:22:25 +0200
   From: "guille milkyway" 
Subject: RE: Tradewinds

james boticelli asked:

> Does anyone know if there was ever a Trade Winds LP?

yes, there was. just one. but a really beautiful one.
sometimes seen on ebay and similars. 

guille milkyway

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Message: 9
   Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:59:55 -0500
   From: Dan Hughes 
Subject: Re: Tradewinds

Jimmy B asks:

> Does anyone know if there was ever a Trade Winds LP?

Yep, on Kama Sutra in 1967.  

And Peter Anders did a solo LP (I'm pretty sure Poncia was
prominent on it), and they also recorded as the Mulberry
Fruit Band, the Penny Arcade, Pete and Vinnie, the
Treasures, and the Videls.


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Message: 10
   Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:14:20 -0000
   From: David Feldman 
Subject: Re: Tradewinds LP

"Randy M. Kosht" wrote:

> I think I saw [the Tradewinds album] once in a used 
> record store for a dime(!!), back in the '60s.

I guess I got ripped off.  Cost me a quarter.
> The catalog number was 8057 if I remember correctly...

You are correct, sir.

It's a fine album, called "Excursions."  8 out of the 10
songs are written by Anders-Poncia.

It is charming now for the same reason it was reviled
then (and cost 25 cents) -- it is beautifully crafted
soft pop, with only the trappings of psychedelia. Only
one song, the epic, "Little Susan's Dreamin' (2:58), is
longer than two minutes thirty seconds and three are
under two minutes.

I think the song, "Mind Excursion," holds up particularly
well, with its lush, open melody and lovely lead vocal,
to me the most heartfelt in the Anders-Poncia canon.

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Message: 11
   Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:24:49 -0500
   From: "Nick Archer" 
Subject: Re: Tradewinds

>  Does anyone know if there was ever a Trade Winds LP?
> James Botticelli

I have a copy of a Tradewinds LP called "Excursions",
Kama-Sutra KLPS8057.

Here's the track listing...

Side 1

Mind Excursion
Catch Me In the Meadow
Bad Misunderstanding
New York's a Lonely Town
I Believe In Her

Side Two

Only When I'm Dreamin
Small Town Bring Down
To Be With You
Huggin In the Hall
Little Susan's Dreamin

Nick Archer
Nashville, Tennessee

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Message: 12
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:01:25 -0500
   From: "Robert Conway" 
Subject: Re: Tradewinds

James Botticelli wrote:

>Does anyone know if there was ever a Trade Winds LP?

I owned a 1965-66 Kama Sutra LP by the Tradewinds.  It
was very good of course.  I don't like to compare artists
but let me say this:  where New York's a Lonely Town was
very Brian Wilson-like, most of the LP had a mid-late
Rascals/Felix Caviliare-light sound.  I am pretty sure
the LP plus is available as an import CD.  By the way,
Anders and Poncia had a great LP in the late sixties on
WB called I belive just "Anders and Poncia."  I am
waiting for CD reissue--Rhino execs are you listening? 
Vinny Poncia produced some early Melissa Manchester LPs
but after that I am clueless.  P.S.  I just found an
import in the VA section of my collection that you may
like to own:  "Mynd Excursions" (A Journey through the
Vaults of Buddah/Kama Sutra)  Sequel NEX CD 237  (1993) 
It has seven tracks by the Trade Winds; one by Pete
Anders; six by the Innocence.  CD also features the
Carole King tune "I happen to Love You" circa 1969 by the
Myddle Class.  This is a great CD.

Bob Conway

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Message: 13
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:40:33 -0400
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Re: Tradewinds, Cher; Ivy

James Botticelli wrote: "Does anyone know if there was
ever a Trade Winds LP?"

I believe there was on Kama Sutra. I don't remember
anything about it, though....

For the man from KPFK: Cher's "A Woman's Story" is one
of my all-time fave Spector productions and defninite
my fave Cher track. In fact, it's the only one I play
- since I have a DJ copy, I've never heard the flip.
Was there an LP too?

Being recent to this list, I don't know if it's cool
to suggest a new track which has exactly "our" feel -
Ivy's "Edge of the Ocean" on their latest CD, "Long
Distance." Sha-la-la's and all - a real treat. (Rest
of the CD is quite fine, too, but more contemporary.)


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Message: 14
   Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:46:18 +0900
   From: LePageWeb 
Subject: Re: Tradewinds

In 1966, Artie Ripp signed Anders and Poncia to Kama
Sutra while they were working for Leiber/Stoller's Red
Bird Records. As the Tradewinds, they released three
singles on Red Bird, including their smash "New York's A
Lonely Town". Out of the six sides they released on Red
Bird, only "New York's A Lonely Town" was included on the
later Kama Sutra album. 

RB10-020, Jan 1965
The Tradewinds
New York's A Lonely Town / Club Seventeen

RB10-028, Apr 1965
The Tradewinds
The Girl From Greenwich Village / There's A Rock & Roll Show In Town 

RB10-033, Jul 1965
The Tradewinds
Summertime Girl / The Party Starts At Nine

Nearly all the sides are East Coast Surf, the exception
being Summertime Girl, which hints strongly at the soft
pop sound they would craft at Kama Sutra as the
Tradewinds, Innocence, etc.

As a side note, there are probably many interesting
stories, seeing as how Ripp had apprenticed under
the talented but troubled George Goldner. George was a
partner in Red Bird with Leiber and Stoller. The version
of "New York's..." on the Kama Sutra album is the same
version as the Red Bird master. Didn't Artie Ripp have an
override deal with Leiber and Stoller for the Shangs? The
intrigue boggles the mind.

Also, the Tradewinds album wasn't the only Kama Sutra
album to end up in the 50 cent bins. Top selling Lovin'
Spoonful records as well as most hit MGM distributed
artists (e.g., Animals, Herman's Hermits) were in the
bargain bins for far longer than reasonable. I'm not
going to accuse these labels of manufacturing and
dumping product as royalty free cut-outs, especially in
these days when we are often reminded how the labels are
so very copyright-conscious, but some have remarked how
strange it was at the time that Who, Kinks, Yardbirds,
Animals and Manfred Mann definitive albums all remained
available for YEARS in the bargain bins for 49 cents. Of
course now we know better. They were just...left over,

Anyway, bringing this mind excursion back to the subject
at hand, Anders and Poncia wrote essential sides for
Spector, too. How Does it Feel is a personal favorite.
Also had a 64 release as the TREASURES - Hold Me
Tight/Pete Meets Vinnie (SHIRLEY 500). This is on the
recently discussed 5 CD Spector Sessions where Phil goes
into a mock Liverpudlian accent during the date and
breaks all the session cats up. Isn't that the same one
where he goes into a grandma voice and announces he has
chocolates for everyone after the session?

Ah...Peter Andreoli and Vincent Poncia Jr. - they made
some of my favorite records!


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Message: 15
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:47:12 +0200
   From: Stephane Rebeschini 
Subject: Re: Tradewinds

James Botticelli wrote:
> Does anyone know if there was ever a Trade Winds LP?

There is a Trade Winds LP, released like The Innocence
on Kama Sutra You can read a bit more more about these
groups here:

This site is clearly focused on rock, garage, psych rock...
but also include many pop rock, sunshine pop, soft rock


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Message: 16
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:35:36 -0400
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Pitney/Diamonds

Stewart Mason wrote:

> Gene [Pitney]'s playing a Rock and Roll Revival show
> here in Albuquerque (with full orchestra, according
> to the radio ads) on Saturday.  Has anybody seen our
> Gene recently? Has he still got his chops, or will it
> just make me sad and uncomfortable?  (I'm assuming
> that the opening act, David Sommerville of the
> Diamonds, will make me sad and uncomfortable all by
> himself.)

I haven't, but a friend whose taste I trust saw him in
CT recently, and said that his chops are intact and
working very well! (He's somewhat older and wider than
he used to be - but aren't we all?!) I have no knowledge
of David Sommerville's performance, but considering the
distance from the Diamonds' hitmaking days, it should be
a treat for the curious no matter what. Some of their
covers were lame, but I think "Little Darlin" and
"Walking Along" cut the originals, and "She Say" always
impressed me - what a bass! Please post a review of the
show, if you would.

Country Paul

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Message: 17
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:12:30 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Charles Treavers 
Subject: Spector's Top 10 entries

Marc Wielage wrote;

> Small correction:  Spector had TWENTY-ONE Top 10 records
> on the U.S. BILLBOARD charts, as follows:

> 2/19/1966 |   #1 (3 wks.) - The Righteous Brothers:
> "(You're My) Soul and Inspiration"
Big corrrection Marc, Phil Spector didn't produce this
track, it was produced by Bill Medley and there is no
debate about that.


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Message: 18
   Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:51:32 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
   From: Paul Woods 
Subject: Re: Digest Number 266 (No Sows 'ere!)

Micka gave an entertaining account of a Ronnie Spector
performance, ending with:

> I wonder how much I'll remember of this sow in another
> twenty-odd years.

Come, come, Mick, that's a rather harsh description of my
favourite Ronette!

Paul Woods

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