The Spectropop Group Archives presented by Friends of Spectropop

[Prev by Date] [Next by Date] [Index] [Search]

Spectropop - Digest Number 265

______________                                            ______________
______________                                            ______________
______________        S  P  E  C  T  R  O  P  O  P        ______________
______________                                            ______________

There are 9 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 265:

      1. Andrea J. Thomas
           From: Roberto Tirado 
           From: Mick Patrick 
      3. The Sunshine Company
           From: Brian Chidester 
      4. Re: Snuff Garrett
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
      5. Re: The Phil Spector Recording Sessions
           From: Mark Tilley 
      6. Phil on Jeannie TV
           From: Mark Landwehr 
      7. Gil 45s
           From: "Randy M. Kosht" 
      8. Questions: Shelby Flint; Perry Botkin/Valiant
           From: "Paul Payton" 
      9. Poll results for spectropop
           From: "Spectropop Administration" 


Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:01:41 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Roberto Tirado 
Subject: Andrea J. Thomas


just a note to inform you that Andrea J. Thomas, who
along with myself and Lydia Guerrero, were handpicked
by Phil S (the author) from our PS 57/101 glee club in
the 60's to do backup, died a few months ago. We never
kept in contact but I visited Spanish Harlem last week
and found out. We were chauferred then to Mirasound or
A&R after school. Phil told our parents this was for
our experience, hence no fees paid. Andrea had the
most beautiful voice although she was very overweight.
Lydia sounded like Florence Ballard. I was a
prepubescent so I must've sounded like a fairy. But I
met everyone who just happens to be famous nowadays.
We never went to the california sessions but i recall
phil being a tyrant when he closed all doors and our
being frightened and never wanting to go back but we
always did. Hi to John Rausch and  Mark. I have been
very busy so i have not written to anyone for awhile.
Estelle I hear is living in Brooklyn and does not even
resemble herself anymore. At least Nedra does. Where
the Ronettes lived at 1305 Amsterdam is a real mess
today.  Their apt. (actually Phil's) at 89th st and
west end ave is still lovely (13th floor and all) and
a lawyer lives there now. That is where Ronnie's mom
is holding that gold record at this site.

Again, I read everyone's notes once in a while and
reflect on those days.

Please say a prayer for Andrea.


Roberto Tirado

Archived by Spectropop

Message: 2
   Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:14:45 +0100 (BST)
   From: Mick Patrick 


I'm at the research stage of a project and find myself
in need of some expert help. Can anyone please tell me
anything about a group called THE BOOTIQUES. All I know
is their 45 "DID YOU GET YOUR FUN" on the Date label
produced by CURT BOETTCHER. Group line-up, anyone?
Publicity photo or magazine ad, anyone? I know Mr
Boettcher has many devotees among the Sunshine Pop and
Soft Rock fraternities out there in Spectropopland. Any
information will be much appreciated.


Archived by Spectropop

Message: 3
   Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:47:44 EDT
   From: Brian Chidester 
Subject: The Sunshine Company

I've heard that Curt Boettcher was involved with the
Sunshine Compnay, but I've never heard anyone say in
what capacity he was involved.  Joe Saraceno was the
producer and Boettcher is not listed as arranger or
anything of that sort.  Maybe he sang with them?  Maybe
he was just a mentor?  Maybe an uncreditred arranger? 
Anyone know anything on this one?

Brian Chidester

Archived by Spectropop

Message: 4
   Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:47:04 -0000
   From: Billy G. Spradlin 
Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett

--- In spectropop@y..., Will George  wrote:
> Garrett diluted the rawer aspects
> of the music in many cases. Granted, he produced some real
> gems, but he also ruined some potentially great records.
> One need look no further than Eddie Cochran's records to
> prove that point.

I couldn't agree with you more, Snuff didn't do Del
Shannon any favors by forcing him to cut albums of
mostly cover tunes while he was on Liberty in the mid
60's. Many of the country records he produced for Warner
Brothers in the early 80's (Shelly West, David Frizell -
I recall he even produced a horrible Clint Eastwood 45
with double tracked vocals ala Gary) were lowest common
denominator corn- pop.

Snuff was strictly a POP producer. When hooked up with
the right singer (Vee, Lewis, Hyland) song and studio
pro's he could work Top 40 magic. BTW did Snuff ever
work with any female singers/groups? Just Curious!


Archived by Spectropop

Message: 5
   Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:44:50 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Mark Tilley 
Subject: Re: The Phil Spector Recording Sessions


I too have a 5 cd set of outtakes from the
Spector sessions. A dream come true. After hearing the
Pet Sounds outtakes, I could only hope someday someone
would come up with Spector sessions. To actually hear
this music being made, with tempo and chord changes on
some songs is really a fascinating experience that
everyone who's into Spector should hear. As far as
Phil being portrayed as a taskmaster and not easy to
work for, it never shows on these tapes. much the
opposite in fact. It's just great to be able to hear
this music being put together with such great
musicians and a great producer
--- Mike W wrote:

> I just got ahold of the 5 CD set of Session outtakes !
> It's such a mind blowing experience, I can't begin to
> articulate it!
> It's easy to understand the extent of Spector's
> influence on many a generation of producer's and
> musician's work and the HARD WORK that goes into the
> production of any piece of music...especially a
> crafted, work of entertainment, as all of is songs are!
> I'm still wading through it, enjoying every minute.
> The only sad note, is that his Art is lost upon most
> of us as being just Pop Music. If only he would
> release these things officially, for once he would be
> taken seriously for the Genius that he is!

Archived by Spectropop

Message: 6
   Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:19:39 -0400
   From: Mark Landwehr 
Subject: Phil on Jeannie TV

Hey, Spectropoppers...I would like to know the name of
one of the songs done by Boyce & Hart on the "I Dream of
Jeannie" episode that Uncle Phil appeared in...

The episode was called "Jeannie the Hip Hippie" I believe,
and B&H sang "Out and About" and one other song...I saw
it, but the mind is weak...I figure if anyone knows, it's
the Spectropop gang!!!

The Phil Spector Record Label Gallery @

Archived by Spectropop

Message: 7
   Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:27:59 -0700
   From: "Randy M. Kosht" 
Subject: Gil 45s

Kim wrote:

> > I just thrifted a very odd LP by (Gil) Garfield that
> > has me puzzled...called "Love Me For My Legs! (An
> > Autobiogramaphone)."  Ring a bell for anyone?

To which Perry Botkin replied:

> Rings a bell with me, Kim

> I co-composed and arranged all the songs on the album.
> It was never released but Gil had a single on A&M.
> ("Poor Butterfly").

Actually there were two Gil Garfield singles on A&M. 
"Poor Butterfly" (b/w "Just A Clown," A&M 783) came out
around '66...

Then, years later, "Are You Going Out Tonight" (b/w "The
Prodigy," A&M 1363), which rated a picture sleeve and if
I remember correctly, there was even a billboard on
Sunset, wasn't there?

Best regards,
Randy Kosht, A&Mania
"A&M Records:  The Discography"

Archived by Spectropop

Message: 8
   Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:53:06 -0400
   From: "Paul Payton" 
Subject: Questions: Shelby Flint; Perry Botkin/Valiant

Carol Kaye wrote: 

> "Perry [Botkin]'s website btw is:
>  he's
got some great new

> interesting music on CDs he's composed."

True - and a fascinating discography! Thinking of that -
is Shelby Flint ("Angel on My Shoulder," "I Will Love
You," "Pipes for Keith") still around? If so, doing what?
Is any of her earlier music still in print? Last thing I
saw by her was a soft jazz CD about 10 years ago with a

Also (this may have been discussed earlier, but I'm new
here), was Valiant a Perry Botkin custom imprint of WB?
He seemed to arrange a lot of music on that label.

Country Paul

Archived by Spectropop

Message: 9
   Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:29:18 +0900
   From: "Spectropop Administration" 
Subject: Poll results for spectropop

---------------- Original message follows ----------------
 From: Yahoo! Groups Notification 
 Date: 16 Oct 2001 02:27:47 -0000
 Subject: Poll results for spectropop 

The following Spectropop Poll is now closed.  Here are
the final results: 

POLL QUESTION: For nearly four decades, ever since
Righteous Brothers' Unchained Melody first became a hit,
Phil Spector has been listed as producer on all releases
of the recording. However, one of the Righteous Brothers,
Bill Medley, claims he actually produced the track and
has never been given due credit. 

What do Spectropop members think? 

- It was Phil, 36.84%  
- It was Bill, 31.58%  
- Bill probably was involved but that doesn't warrant
  producer credit, 21.05%  
- Phil probably was involved but should have given
  producer credit to Bill, 10.53%  

Archived by Spectropop

Click here to go to The Spectropop Group

Spectropop text contents (c) copyright Spectropop unless stated otherwise. All rights in and to the contents of these documents, including each element embodied therein, is subject to copyright protection under international copyright law. Any use, reuse, reproduction and/or adaptation without written permission of the owners is a violation of copyright law and is strictly prohibited. All rights reserved.